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What's good, Tommy? How you doing, man?
I'm good.
Andrew, how we doing, buddy?
I'm not bad, sir. Are you?
I'm doing pretty well, man. I'm in the airport. I was going to take my shirt off so I could
step up to you, but take your shirt off right now. I can't do it, dude. I'm in the airport. I don't want to get to.
Where are you flying?
I'm going home. I'm in New York City right now. I'm going back to Oregon.
unfortunate so yeah so so andrew he's a big fan of you
He's the oldest pro Fortnite player. I am the oldest pro Fortnite player indeed. And dude, I have nothing personal against you, Andrew. He thinks you're a bitch though.
Some of your philosophy, I don't think you're a bitch. I think you're a water boy. Don't switch over.
Waterboy for patriarchy and capitalism and whatnot.
Right. And sort of regressive ideas about manhood.
And which is why the teenage audience consumes it so much, you know?
You got these young boys that are like,
grappling with feelings of powerlessness and you come in and offer them like
the ultimate machismo ideas of like how to be a man, but you're just,
You're so off base, bro. It's like...
is tragic, really.
So,
You think that I am inspiring the youth of today.
the masculine youth of today to become men. And you think that's a negative thing. Why? No, I don't.
I don't think you're inspiring them to become men because like real men are in touch with their emotions.
and their vulnerability and don't need to be like wielding and taking power. Real men are self-aware and, and you come in offering them like,
somebody that they can follow where you want to be like the savior, the guy, the bad ass.
If you're a man who's in touch with his strength and his masculine power, why does that mean you're not capable of reflecting in words and being self-aware? They're not mutually exclusive.
Well, apparently for you, they are, though, because on the one hand, you talk about...
on the one hand you talked about how you made your first million while exploiting women on webcams
and then you post on the instagram post about how you're gonna you and your brother are gonna bring purity back to women
So yeah, you absolutely lack self-awareness because you yourself admit you made your initial money on
sort of like
the you profited off the supposed impurity of women around sex.
All right, so first thing, the word exploiting is an incorrect use of language because I've never exploited anyone in my life.
Well, let me ask you this. When you made your first million with the women in the webcams, how many of the women who were on those webcams earning for you, how many of them are millionaires now?
The ones who made millions are also millionaires. It was 50%. You know what I'm saying? I would argue the point here, sir. I would argue the point here that when a girl worked for me, it was 50-50. If you work for nearly any other business in the world, you do not get 50% of the takings. If you go work at McDonald's and you ring up a register for an hour, you do not get 50% of that register. So that is a lie. Most companies pay you less than 1%. So to sit here and say I was quoting people is absolute fallacy. So that's the first thing. Well, it's like – That's the first fallacy. I've let you talk. Now it's my turn. That's the first fallacy.
is this whole patriarchy bullshit you're saying that are outdated ideas of masculinity yeah idea of patriarchy is now an outdated idea of masculinity perhaps in the west in a declining empire as we've already discussed on this stream in an empire which is an absolute decline you can have men who sit here and think there's absolutely nothing necessary about masculinity in the modern world and that you don't need to be strong or brave or any of these things you can sit around and cry and you're still a man that is not true in most places on the planet in most places on the planet men need to be capable and competent because if they don't they do not survive and i'll tell you
and talk right now about the patriarchy and how you can be in touch with your feelings and all this bullshit. The second you're physically assaulted or physically threatened, the first thing you do is you call a toxically masculine police officer to turn up with a weapon to protect you because you cannot protect yourself. You are not against the idea of masculine power. You're not against the idea of men who have masculine imperatives to defense. All you've done is outsource it to someone else to do at the end of a phone call because you're too scared to do it yourself. So you're fucking lying. You're lying. No, that's absolutely incorrect. You don't want to do them yourself
you so you can sit around and play fucking video games see there the my my the point i posit is there's more than just physicality with men and you talk about exploitation you absolutely exploit people with your affiliate links that is exploitation like i as well as bucky and clicks know anybody who's an influencer knows that affiliate links are total bullshit because basically you give an affiliate link to somebody who promotes you
And he makes a little money off of it, but you're getting free advertising. That's exploitation. No influencer is going to take an affiliate link position because it's absolute exploitation. Like you practically exist on it.
Now, the idea of manhood is you can talk about purely physical strength. First off, if I get assaulted, I'm probably not going to call the police, okay? Because the police aren't actually very adept at actually solving crimes, right?
They don't function very well in the actual solution of crimes. They show up later and just sort of muck up the business. Correct. I agree with that. So how would you defend yourself in the effect of an assault? You just lay there and take it?
Well, so it would depend on the assault. I would probably remove myself from the situation. Obviously, that's not something that's going to be applicable to the scenario we're doing here on the stream. We're not going to pretend you can run away because that defeats the point of the question. Are we here to talk about some hypothetical assault? No, we're not here to talk about it.
99% of Americans never even encounter a violent crime. So this whole machismo thing is like nonsense.
We're not here to talk about hypothetical assaults. We're here to talk about the hypothetical paradigms and ideas around masculinity. Because you started this conversation saying that patriarchy and capitalism and all this bullshit. And I'm sitting here saying to you, I'm sitting here saying to you, live in a very soft society. You're completely correct. No, incorrect.
If you were the same person in most places on the planet, you would have had your ass beat because you are a weakling. And weaklings are not respected. Let me tell you something, my friend. My friend, I'll let you talk afterwards. Never in human history, in any single civilization, in any single empire across the history of Earth, have men been celebrated for their weakness ever once. It doesn't matter if you were an Aztec or the Mao dynasty from China all the way to South America.
because they were strong. Weak men have never been respected. Weak men have never mattered. For you to come along and say, I think it's okay to be weak is fine. That is your initiative. That is your decision. The reason you have done that is because you lack brave. You lack balls. You lack bravery. Dude, I have more balls than you'll ever have, boss. Because you're changing the goalposts here because you're the one who's sitting here calling emotional strength and emotional vulnerability. You're defining it as weakness. But it's not. All forms of strength are important.
- Yeah.
- Yes it is. Physical strength is just as important as emotional strength.
Emotional strength is actually more powerful than physical strength.
Because the fact of the matter is no matter how physically strong you are, somebody bigger could come along and beat your ass. But it's emotional strength that helps you survive the ass beating. You're right. You're right. I know I'm right.
Right, that's a good point. You're saying so when someone comes along to assault you, you won't call the police afterwards and you won't fight back. You'll lay in a ball, you'll get an ass kicking, but you're emotionally strong enough to just deal with the fact that you got an ass whooped in front of everyone in your week.
and that's fine and everyone should be like you and that you know what we call people like you are called in most places in the world people like you are called in most places in the world victims
We're called "steds." We're called "steds." You're a prey. We're called "steds." And let me tell you something. When I inspire men to grow up and be their biggest, strongest version of themselves emotionally, mentally, physically, in every single realm, that is not a negative thing. There's nothing wrong with a man being big and strong. And let me tell you one more thing. We're sitting here talking to professional video game players. You're a professional Fortnite player yourself. You- I am. I don't- okay. I don't know how the game works. I've never played the game. And I was a professional musician and a director. I've done a great many things.
Perfect. Good. And you're obviously a successful, smart individual. You're obviously mentally intelligent, right? I'm not talking about, I'm not saying that just because someone's strong, that they don't have to be mentally adept. I'm not saying that somebody doesn't have to be emotionally adept just because they're strong. I'm not saying that I'm saying that mental, I'm saying that physical strength is also an important thing, but let's look at the video game Fortnite, which I've never played. It might be incorrect. But if you have stats on your character, you're going to try and max out your strength character. You're not going to have a character, which is weak. Every single person, if they're, if they're given a video game character and said, choose what statistics you want, it's going to click max strength.
time and then they're going to go back into the real world and pretend strength isn't doesn't matter strength does matter the difference is in the real world hard to achieve and because it's hard to obtain it's the ostrich problem you don't want to accept that it's hard to do you don't want to go through the pain to get it so you want to pretend it doesn't matter just because you don't want to go through the it requires to be a physically dangerous individual does not mean physical dangerous individuals are not respected by society and i'll tell you one more thing my
One more thing.
one more thing if me and you were to stand side by side in front of a hundred women in front of a hundred police officers a hundred enemies who want to kill us whatever it is they would all choose to with you before they choose to with me because they'd look at me and i have a certain status and a certain presence which comes from my physical stature not just my capability but because of the things i've gone through to become this physical specimen of man they know i'm not the kind of guy who you really want to mess with they look at you and go he is a victim because that's
my friend and it's your own choice.
See, that's just it, though. The only reason they would choose you in that element is because of the patriarchal fucking male-dominated society that we fucking go.
Here we go. Here's the deal, Andrew. No, no, no, no. I'm not talking. Name a society from history that wasn't patriarchal. Name a society from history that was not patriarchal.
See, that, listen to me though, that is why people like yourself are bugging and going into hyper mode right now. Because society is changing.
I'll tell you, change it.
I'll tell you why, my friend. I'll tell you why we cannot name a single society in history across the entire planet that was not patriarchal. Because patriarchal societies are optimized to survive. When things get difficult, when people are put in survival situations, we naturally revert to our gender roles. I'll tell you something. If we were all on a ship and the ship got shipwrecked, the men would start building and digging and hunting. And the women would start gathering and doing what women are naturally adept at. Because when it comes down to survival, you have to do what you are most competent at.
are more competent at certain things, and females are more competent at certain things. Not all men. Not all men. And not all females. My point is, patriarchal societies are more competitive than any other type of society because society functions better as a patriarchy. So the reason you cannot name a single society in history that was not a patriarchy is because all of the societies, and I'm sure there were some, which were not patriarchal, were destroyed by patriarchal societies. They were wiped off the face of the planet because they were not competitive.
There haven't been any yet. They do not have monuments to find. And the point I'm making is that in the harsh reality of ultra-competitiveness, only patriarchal societies can survive. So the reason you cannot name one from history is because all the ones that tried this idea that you're trying to purport were destroyed in real time. And in the West, in America, as we stand right now in America, which I wouldn't even call it a patriarchal society because it isn't because females have more rights under the law than men. Oh my God, bro. They do.
So cool, Wes. As America falls apart and the patriarchy is disintegrated, all that's going to happen is that other countries like Russia, like China, like countries which are still patriarchal, will remain more competitive than the West. And you're not going to fix the world. America's just going to end up a third world shithole. So throwing the fucking patriarchy away is going to fix a fucking thing. You live in a clown world, my clown world. Yeah, no, no, no, I don't. I mean, I do live in a clown world because there are people like you that are sitting there pushing this inane philosophy. So, yeah, I get it.
I accept that.
But first off, we haven't seen a non-patriarchal society yet. We're definitely moving toward it. And if you want to look at America and look at some of the problems with America, like
What problems do we have? Well, there's an enormous wealth gap. You mentioned the Roman Empire earlier. The Roman Empire didn't fall because of laziness. It fell because of overconfidence, because of an income gap between the richest and the poor, and because of political corruption. All three things that are sort of happening in America right now.
soft, Andrew, is a battle cry of men who see that purely physical stature is no longer the only defining quality. Because like you said, they could line me and you up and all those brutes, like the cops or somebody looking for pure strength, would choose you to defend them.
But anybody who was from a marginalized group that was looking for an emotional defender, those people would pick me.
And they wouldn't pick the muscular guy because they know that I have the inner strength to actually have an openness and a vulnerability that can relate to them and that can help them find that empowerment in themselves. I don't want to train people to be all racist.
We go to your Instagram page and you talk about being the Messiah and all this other BS. You want people to follow you like you're some sort of like deity boss. And that's actually a sign of your own weakness at work. Right. That's coming from your own trauma, your own unhealed trauma.
the south side of chicago with my father absolutely i more know more about marginalized communities than you do because you are as white as they fucking come and you're sitting here talking about you're a marginalized person absolutely i never woke up and thought i'm brown so i had to find this white guy with pink hair to fight for me i woke up for myself and that is the point you know what you fight for yourself you fight for yourself when you're a man that requires all forms of power whether it be emotional mental and physical you just sit here
good for society as a whole and there's nothing wrong with patriarchal society i am i am not advocating for i'm not advocating for weakness but
Like I'm advocating for people to heal and to heal their trauma.
and not use their trauma like you do and then aim it at select groups of people in order to gain power and money.
Right and status so you can walk around with the deity
Thank you.
I think that men who – I think all men, if you're a good man, you're going to have a traumatic life. That's part of being a man, and I think that – I think it's not even a part of being a man. It's a part of being a human being on the planet. You're going to have a traumatic life.
But you've got to heal the trauma. The trauma doesn't make you unless you heal it. If you don't heal it, you go around, say, dumping it on women.
Right. By by waltzing around, talking about how you got to protect women. You got to get a cut of her OnlyFans and all this because you own her private parts. That's nonsense.
That's nonsense. That's your trauma beacon. It depends how you heal the trauma, right? And when I said that being a trauma is part of being a good man, you said it's part of being a human. I agree. But I think you can be a very, very good woman with a good heart, and you can be a good person. You don't need a traumatic life to be a good woman. However, to be a good man, you need to have a traumatic life, because any man who's all had...
I'll tell you why. Let me answer. Any man who's not had difficulty, any man who's not gone through something that's difficult is not very good at being a man. Because when shit hits the fan, people turn to the nearest man in the room and say, what is the solution? Someone just broke in the house. You go to the man. Fucking there's a natural disaster, a hurricane. You go to the man. There's a war. You go to the men. So men who have not been through trauma are not very good at being men because they're not capable of dealing with trauma.
that's why war exists in the first place so you're saying if you had more women leaders we wouldn't even have war okay so you had more women leaders we wouldn't even have war men literally are responsible for war by a lack of emotional awareness that's how it starts interesting so let's let's make let's make this the final point before we move on you just said if all the leaders were women we wouldn't even have war i said if we had more women leaders yes there would be less war
gender. Let me tell you why you're wrong. You don't get to gaslight me and tell me I hate my own gender just because I'm displaying a version of manhood that you're uncomfortable looking at. You don't get to say I hate my gender. I don't give a fuck. I'm weak.
Because I present a version of manhood that has struggled just like you, that has conquered just like you, but lives outside the idealized patriarchy that was sold to me. You don't get to gaslight me because you're uncomfortable. You love men. You love men. Cool. The point I'm making is you're saying that the world wouldn't have a war. Dude, you are backed up against the wall. Wait, wait, wait. No, chill, chill, chill. Let T have his final statement, then we're going to wrap this up and get someone else out.
camera one second oh man i'm interested in seeing what the chat thinks the reason you're totally wrong saying that the world would have less war if there was no female leaders is because if you actually ask anybody who's been in the corporate world for long enough the companies that have the most arguments the most difficult corporate structures to deal with in fact even if you ask most women they say i don't like having a woman boss i'd rather work for a man when you have a whole bunch of women in charge it's nothing but a fucking bitch fest and it's a shit show every single fucking person who's ever worked in corporate knows that every single person who's
as beautiful as they are and they're good at lots of different things, they would perhaps, not perhaps, they would prefer to work for a male boss because it's a stronger, more clear leadership structure. Having a bunch of women in charge of countries is not going to make a fucking peaceful world. And the fact you believe that shows your entire mental model's fucked. I'd like to actually put a poll in the chat. And let's see who agrees with you, who agrees with me. Why won't we take a poll in the chat? Of course, of course, team employees are going to agree with your hyper-idealized manhood.
They need to cling to that.
Okay, do you guys want me to step in on this conversation? Let's go.
We're not going to do two versus one bullshit. We're going to wrap it up with Tommy, and then you guys can go at it.
No two versus one bullshit? Yeah, you mean like the Aiden Roth stream?
Anyway.
I just wanted to take that. - I just wanted to take that. - You see we're getting fucking triple teamed? Alright. - I didn't want to. - I didn't want to. - Alright Tommy. - I'm just a messenger. - No but Tommy, this is, thank you for coming on. - Yeah, absolutely. - Thank you so much for coming on. I hope you have a safe flight and I hope you, you know, enjoyed your time here.
Dude, I did. I did. Andrew, take care, brother. Hassan, I just want to say praise to you, boss. I appreciate you, man, putting the word out there. Thank you, guys. Have a good talk, bro. Have a good day. Appreciate you coming on, Tommy. Have a good one, man. Thank you.
Wow, that was quick conversation. How do you feel about my guy Tommy?
I sorry, you asking me or? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Uh, he's, I don't know him personally. I have nothing against him personally. His, he lives in, he's a new age thinker. He lives in the new think the idea that the way the world runs and has always run is a bad thing. And that if we change everything from the ground up, it's somehow going to become a magically better place. Obviously he has no proof or any references for his way of like his way of thinking, because it's never been tested before. It's untested theory. I think that him, for him to come along and say such blanket statements that if we changed all the world leaders to women, there wouldn't be war is, is inane and asinine.
can't be mentally strong is also stupid. But I also understand why he's saying the ideas he's saying, because he has a natural insecurity based on the fact that he's not a physical specimen of man. And the way he gets around it is to pretend that that's not important, which is fine. Lots of people do it, right? Stupid people saying being smart is not important.
Poor people say me rich is not important. It's a common defense mechanism that everybody does. And I completely understand it. However, most people with a basic grasp of economics and the way societies work would look at society and say, you know what? A society with brave, strong men who are full of honor and duty is actually a better society than men who walk around saying I have no duty to protect anybody or protect anything. And I can just sit around and cry all day. And we're and this theory is being tested in real time, right? America's quickly turning into the ladder. And we can see crime rates going to the roof. We can see all the fucking school shooting and all this stupid shit that's happening because men have no emotional control anymore.
And that's what's going to happen is the society is going to degrade and the countries where men still stick to their honor and their their age old expected ways of of acting.
Are there going to be a safer societies overall? So time will prove me right, but I have nothing against a guy. He's fine.