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- Hi, my name is Andrew Tate.
And I'm one of the passionate few.
*Mario's music*
Hey guys, welcome to this episode of the Passionate Few Podcast. It's your host Omar. And today we have the privilege in Romania to sit down with none other than the man, the myth, the legend himself.
Andrew Tate. Thanks so much for being on the show today, Andrew. Good to meet you, sir. Oh, man. Appreciate you hosting us here in Romania and
having us come to you. Beautiful country and excited to get into this today. Yeah, I want to..
show you guys around it's romania's got a very bad reputation internationally in general and also because of what they've done to me but to be fair to the place is actually a very nice place it's a
It's safe.
By all the metrics you can measure a society by, it's pretty good.
except for corruption.
But then, you know, we've just started the podcast, so I don't want to start off too strong and start screaming at the camera, America's the most corrupt nation on earth.
So I'm going to calm down a little bit.
Yeah, it's a good place. Well, speaking of America, we actually know that you're a big fan of Airheads. So we actually brought you some from the States. Thank you very much. I wanted to ask you, why Airheads?
Thank you.
You know, I've always loved these as a child. And then when I left America, I think I was 11 or 10.
I miss them, they didn't exist in England.
And I've never really had them since. And now I keep getting given airheads. I'm going to end up fat. My entire, uh...
My physique, which I've worked on my whole life, is going to be disappeared because they're so addictive.
It's kind of interesting.
I know you're a fan of airheads. I know this is going to get me in a lot of trouble about what I'm going to say anyway.
That reminded me instantly. It made me think of a bunch of jokes about bimbo women. And I thought, what do I say to them? My brain was running quickly. You said, I know you're a fan of airheads. And I thought about 30 jokes going,
jail that put me in jail that put me in jail that allowed me to take the candy before we get into it you know we'll talk about a lot of what's going on obviously you know not just what you've been going through with the matrix yeah but before we get into that for people who may have not heard the origin story talk to me a little about where you grew up yeah i know you grew up in washington dc yeah but talk to me about young andrew before you became literally the most viral person on earth
Talk to me, what was young Andrew, where did he grow up, and where did the formation for this ambition really begin for you as a kid? - Yeah, that's a good question. I was born in D.C.
And then we moved to Indiana. We lived just outside of Gary, Indiana.
Mm-hmm.
And my father was a professional chess player and I understood I had to work hard and I had a duty to my last name. And from as young as I can remember, I was told, "No, you have to be exceptional because your last name is Tate." It was very clear to me. It was never any other type of life that was laid out for me.
I never expected to have any other
easy life or never expected to have a normal life.
My mother and father broke up when I was 10. We moved to England. How did that affect you?
Yeah, I think that's probably one of the reasons
If I had to self-analyze,
When I moved from America to England, obviously you start all over again. You go to a new school, you have to make new friends, and back then
I don't know how long ago that was, 20 something years, whatever.
If you're American in England,
it was slightly more unusual. And the kids would make fun of your accent or whatever, and you have to learn to stick up for yourself. You have to learn to fight and to be brave.
And if I had to be a psychotherapist, if I believed in these things and had to analyze my past as to why I am the way I am, I think the fact that at a fairly young age I was...
ostracized and forced to defend myself and forced to stick up for myself and was happy to have a different point of view because I knew nobody could pick on me. That probably has something to do with the reason I am the person I am if I had to analyze it.
So, uh,
You got me thinking now. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe I need to take all my kids and pluck them. And just drag them out of school and drop them in Mongolia somewhere. Yeah. And see how that
Was it something like a series of events? Because I can relate to that where you feel like an outcast. You don't quite feel at home here. You don't quite feel at home with this group. So it teaches you to kind of stick up for yourself and fight for yourself. I think it was just my brother and I. We turned up. Everyone said, "Ha ha, you're weird American kids." We said, "Yeah, we are. Say something to our face." And they wouldn't. And that was it. And it just became us two.
Against the world. Against the world. Nothing's changed. Yeah, not much has changed.
I think that's the way it's supposed to be.
It's very interesting when you understand
the brutal dynamics of humanity and also the brutal dynamics of opinions in general.
Unless you're prepared to defend your opinion,
usually physically, especially outside of the internet world, you don't have an opinion at all. An opinion requires bravery to hold, and an opinion requires capability to hold.
which is why
It's so important to be strong if you want to go through life saying things that are against the status quo. I think they've done a bunch of studies on this. Somebody can find them.
But if you can't defend your ideas, if someone comes to you and says, I disagree with you, and you're afraid of that person, well, then you're not going to have any ideas different than what the Matrix wants you to hold. It takes a lot of bravery to stand up and say, I don't care.
I know I'm right, despite the fact that the whole group or society or the consensus is saying this because you're going to pay for that at some point. Yeah. And you see that in Hollywood, right? It's like people to the top are loud and the second they get too high.
Kind of stay a little quiet to stay up top. Well, yeah. Well, of course because they want to keep getting paid.
But you also see it with societally, you can even look at men and women. And I know that, no, this is a subject that always gets me in trouble, but women usually
adhere to society's
general creeds because women do not possess the capability to defend themselves or defend their ideas if a woman
has a different idea than the tribe or the society she lives under, what can she do about it?
She can't say, stand up and say, no, I disagree. She can't, which is why women have always integrated and assimilated into tribes well. So if you look at these psyops that society is trying to propagate,
with feminism or you can look at COVID or LGBT or any of this garbage, women are quicker
more inclined to quickly adhere to these things. Because it takes a whole bunch of bravery to stand up and say no.
to the people who are in charge of you.
I know we live in a world now where physical confrontation and physical violence alone is not enough. But I still think it's intrinsic inside of the human condition when you know that you are capable in that realm. You're more likely to stand up against the system. But you can't have an opinion if you don't defend it. If you can't defend it, if a guy comes up to you and says two plus two is five and he can beat the shit out of you, I mean, maybe you'll end up a bloody pulp or maybe you'll give up sooner. But sooner or later, two plus two is going to equal five. That's the reality of the world.
So if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So I think
Just to...
Talk about the childhood thing.
I understood from a young age I had to stick up for myself and defend my ideas. And my ideas were always different. And I was always an outcast, I guess, to a degree. And that certainly played a part later on in my life because it's been very easy for me to look at the programming the Matrix is trying to.
push down my throat and just say no.
Did you discuss a lot of philosophy with your dad growing up? Was he a confidant in that way? I know he's a chess master.
but was he somebody you pitch and catch with, or was it mostly you and your brother that kind of pitch and catched a lot of these things early on? - My dad had his own philosophies. I don't think, we definitely never read any philosophical books, we didn't study any,
Old philosophers. But he'd say things now which...
You can even still see his Twitter. If you want to see a philosopher, you can go through his Twitter now and see all of the things he was saying when he was still alive. Yeah.
But I think life is actually pretty simple. There's action and reaction. There's cause and effect.
There's brave people and there's cowards.
A lot of people are self-interested.
And if you understand the basis of these
motivations, it's not difficult to work out why the world functions the way it does. And cause and effect and action and reaction are very real. And I think one of the largest plagues we have in the world today is
a lack of action amongst people.
Deciding not to act is an action in and of itself, right?
And--
And that's the only philosophy you need for life. If you want something to move, you have to move it.
if you sit and wait for somebody else to move it, you're a coward. And you're just hoping it's gonna happen. - Period, absolutely. - And that's why I don't understand when a lot of people who,
who see where the world is going and see the future that's going to be laid out for their children.
kind of just hope and pray when they really need to be taking a more active role even if it's as simple as discussing every subject with anyone who will listen and try to
open their minds. - Open minds, correct. - Now real quick, I want to touch base one more time. The young Andrew Tate,
When he was coming up and having these sorts of thoughts,
What were you like as you got into your teens? Were you a ladies man? Did you have a girl break your heart that first one? I'm sure the stories are famous. Everyone's had their heart broken by a girl, haven't they? Do you remember the first one?
That really did it for you? Yeah, everyone's had their heart broken by a girl when they're a teenager. I can't say her name because I'm famous now. She isn't. I can't make her famous or anything. But I think everyone's had their heart broken by a girl. And that's an important part of life. I'm sure every girl's had her heart broken by a man. I don't think it's gendered. I think that's just how the society functions. That's just how it goes. Well, the reason I ask, too, is because a lot of people that we've interviewed, a lot of high-level entrepreneurs, billionaires, a lot of people who've done big things, a lot of them had a chip on their shoulder early on.
the fact that he wouldn't have been the biggest actor in the world if that first girl didn't break his heart. - I think his current girl's breaking his heart. I don't think he's worried about the first one. He's worried about the one he's with now.
- Bro, chip on his shoulder, he needs to get it back.
Jesus. But was there ever anything like that for you? Like something when you were young, you were like, man, I'm going to prove to the world. Like what started that fire inside?
early on or did it kind of just develop through time and get hotter and hotter? Well, I think everybody has a fire inside of them, but it's pacified. It's deliberately extinguished by society because
One, the matrix wants you docile, which is the first thing. And second thing is people live lives of comfort. A lot of people, I think all men are born with a masculine desire to conquer earth.
And I think you're only going to be happy if you're conquering. But if you're living a semi-comfortable life and your mother is nice to you and you're not under any pressure and the matrix is telling you it's fine to just be average, well then you're going to be,
sitting there being average. I was never comforted. I was never given an easy life. I was never had anyone in my life who was saying, "Don't worry, Andrew. It's okay to just be this guy." I was told the opposite all the time.
I don't know if the fire inside of me is any bigger than it is inside of every other man.
And I think that every man at home watching this
if they don't have the things they want in life should feel
a degree of resentment towards themselves or disappointment, understanding that they have the same desire and drive that I have. They just allowed themselves to be psyoped out of it. They've allowed the Matrix or whoever to convince them it's okay to not be
the man they could be. And I never allowed anybody to do that to me. I've had a lot of people try.
I've had girlfriends say, "Andra, you're rich enough," and
Why are you going to jail? And why all this stress? Why can't we just
"Relax, just be quiet." And my mama said it, women usually. Because that's how a woman will protect you. A man will die beside you. A woman can only protect you by trying to convince you out of going to war in the first place.
And I could sit here and listen to them and say, "I've done enough and I'm rich enough," and blah, blah, blah. But then I wouldn't be me. You know? So, and I think that people fall for that trap early on in life. There's many stages of life. You can be five years old and your mother doesn't want you to go boxing because you might get hit. And the dad might be like, "Yeah, I guess."
A lot of it is feminine energy.
And then another huge part of it is the matrix-led propaganda because they don't like masculine imperatives because it defends the society which they're trying to destroy.
But I lived in a household where my father was in charge,
My mother wasn't allowed to baby us and
We were always pushed to be the same way. And one of the things I love about you, man, is like you have the balls to say what a lot of people think. Like I can't tell you how many people in positions of power agree with you but because of the matrix, because of getting paid, because of the people that..
You got to stay quiet and they champion you kind of behind the scenes. But then you get all the you know, you get all the heat. I get all the smoke for being the guy. Literally you get all the smoke. Yeah. But it's something that I've seen recurring in your life from, you know, the chess early on to fighting. Right. How did kickboxing.
How did that affect your persona? Like what impact did that have on you? Obviously the career a little bit,
But obviously fighting, there's a parallel to life. What influenced the kickboxing play in your life? Yeah, absolutely.
It's the rawest and most pure form of competition. It's always been the only competition throughout humanity for a very long time. Mono y mono. Of course.
You can put a ball in a net.
I mean, I just feel so asinine to become extremely good at putting a ball in the net.
I don't want to insult footballers. They make a lot of money and they're talented.
and they train hard. I have respect for all of them.
It just feels like if you get to wake up one day and say, Andrew, OK, you have to become an athlete. Do you want to be able to destroy men with your bare hands for the rest of your human life? And as you walk through Earth, know that you're a weapon of war or.
put a ball in the net.
It just feels pretty easy choice to me.
Yeah.
before all these sports, which are just watered down versions of war, there was simply fighting. So,
I fought because I think that
All men want to fight. I can't imagine waking up being a man and not wanting to fight.
I'm sure there's men who don't feel this way. But when I wake up in the morning, I have my 15 coffees and I want to fight. That's what I want to do. And whether that's, you know, you're not going to be a man. You're not going to be a man. You're not going to be a man. You're not going to be a man.
fiscally make as much money as possible, whether that's combat the matrix and their narratives, or whether that was going in the ring and beating the shit out of somebody. I wanted to fight. Back then I had no money. I had no influence. It was almost before the internet.
15, 16 years ago. There's nothing else I could do constructive with my masculine energy.
besides fight. So then you have to choose. Do I fight for a government?
which doesn't care about me, or do I fight for myself and try and pay my bills, and I decide to fight for myself? I think that that warrior urges is inside of every single man.
Well it must be because if you look at history, that's all we've ever done is fight. All we ever did was get in large gangs and large groups, call them armies, call them whatever you want, nation states, and we just go to war.
And I think in the modern society now, most men dedicate that energy towards making money, which they should do if they're healthy, towards conquest.
But I just wanted to fight. I couldn't think of another way to do it. What we're doing right now is a fight. You're trying to get as many views as possible and get your YouTube channel as large as possible.
That is war against all the other YouTube channels. You should just turn up and...
punch him in the face. Get it on. But that's the human instinct. So,
I fought because I couldn't find a better outlet. And then I retired because I found another outlet. How old were you when you retired?
30, 30. And then I fought a couple times since when I was like 33, I took a
fights on one day's notice.
To touch base real quick on kickboxing too, I do want to ask, what did it teach you in terms of the ability to like conquer your own mind, right? Because I'm sure there was times early on as you were growing where you could be intimidated by something. Of course, you're Andrew Tate, so barely intimidated. Well, well. But it teaches you to fight against the resistance, right? Like what also, and the reason I ask is because, you know, I've talked to a lot of high level people and you'll find early on that there's a lot of fighting background or wrestling. It teaches you how to get out of a pinch, that there's always a maneuver out of something that feels impossible to get out of.
and pedals like that, like kickboxing.
taught you on a tactical level for life? I think that
A lot of people who are afraid to do something like professional fighting
imagine that the fighters are not afraid, which is not true.
True bravery is to be afraid and do it anyway.
If you're not afraid, you're not being brave. It's easy to do something you're not afraid of doing. Well, then you're not a brave person in the first place. If there's something wrong with you in your head,
and you're psychopathic and you can get in the octagon.
for essentially a fight to the death with a man who has dedicated his life to being good at fighting to the death. And you have no nerves whatsoever. Then there's something wrong with you and you're not brave. You're an idiot.
Fighters are afraid, but we do it anyway.
And I think that's a good mantra for life to be afraid, but do it anyway. That's the whole point of life. That's how you're going to get most things done, whether it's business or anything else.
and you become very good with nerves and you become very good with a poker face
and you become very good at doing the things you need to do regardless of how you feel at the time. You may feel
You may have a bad day. You may have a cold. You may be tired. Who knows? You have to fight on that day at that time. It's show time. So it has to be done. Right. But you have to fight on that day at that time.
And I think it's a good mantra for life overall.
especially
when they threw Tristan and I in jail, for example, which
We can talk about later on. But when they throw you in jail, obviously you're about to walk into a Romanian dungeon. You're not sure what it's like. And Trista and I looked at each other and kind of smiled because we knew it's like walking into the octagon. It's the same thing. You don't know where you're going to be. You don't know what the other guys in there are going to be like. You just have to poker face it.
act the way you're supposed to act regardless of how you feel. And I think that's the true masculine imperative anyways. And aren't men supposed to go through life doing what they're supposed to do because it needs to be done as opposed to doing what they feel like doing?
And I think one of the biggest problems with the world today is that men keep talking about how they feel.
There's not a single man around me who says I feel.
Like I live with guys and we have this big house and we're all having fun all the time. And I'm trying to think of a man around me who says, "I feel."
Because nobody cares. Why would I care how you feel?
Why would life care how you feel? Society doesn't care how men feel. So if nobody cares how men feel, why do they care how they feel? You wake up and you have a list of things that need to be done. You're either going to do them or you're going to make excuses.
And how you feel has no bearing on that list. The list must be completed irregardless of how you feel. So why are we even putting importance on those feelings?
You learn to ignore feelings early on. You learn to ignore pain and
many other things and I think that's the best way a man should be. I think that's how you become
brutally competent and competitive. - And you live your life by your values, not your feelings, per se. - Yeah. - Well, yeah, absolutely. And your values are gonna come with duties and tasks, right? If you have values, whatever they are, then you're gonna have to sustain those values. It's, you can't sit, well, some people do,
I said you can't.
But some people do exactly this. They say, "I value
X.
but they won't work to support X, or they won't work to prove X.
If you don't work for something or you're not prepared to suffer or struggle for something, then you don't love it and you don't believe in it anyway. If you love a woman, you'll struggle to keep her.
If you love a country, you'll struggle to defend it.
If you love a sport or a business, you're going to work for it. If you're not working for it, then you don't love it anyway. So the values come with obligations.
And those obligations are to fulfill your duty irregardless of how you feel.
And there's a lot of men out there, especially in the world today, who only want to do things because they feel a certain way, not understanding that that doesn't make them competitive.
anymore.
The biggest question I get asked all the time is, "Hey, I lack motivation."
It's an annoying question to me because
So do I sometimes. I don't always feel motivated to go to the gym. I don't always feel motivated to work. I don't always feel motivated to do what I need to do. But I do it anyway. It's called discipline. Yeah.
And if you're going to wake up every day and lack the motivation to do what should be done,
and compete against people who will do it irregardless of how they feel. You're going to perpetually and forever lose.
It makes you
a child to even wake up and say when you're asking someone for motivation what you're effectively doing is saying
Make me want to do it.
Please make me want to do it.
I don't want to do it. Make me want to.
No, you have to do it. Or you can stay a fucking loser.
What do you do on a day to day to cultivate the confidence? Because I think one of the things that hundreds of millions of people, billions probably at this stage,
respect about you is that there's no denying people can love you, hate you, have opinions, but nobody denies you're a confident motherfucker. So is that something that is like just identity based or is that something you cultivate? Are there any things day to day you do to strengthen it? I know what I'm good at.
and I make sure I focus on it,
and you delegate the rest or outsource the rest. And I delegate the rest or outsource the rest. I know exactly what I'm good at doing and I think that
You're going to be confident if you
do things you're good at doing most of the time. And have the self-awareness to accept that. And also, I'm not afraid of anything. I want to make this clear.
Mm-hmm.
I'm sure when they finally point a gun to my head, I'm going to be a bit nervous. But all in all, it is what it is. And we all live one life.
And I think the best thing you can do as a man is try to make your mark on the world and make people understand
how and why you think and try and be a positive influence and have children. And I've done all of those things.
What are they gonna do, throw me in jail?
I mean, I'm confident because I just don't fear any of these idiots anymore. When the BBC turn up and they try to intimidate me because that's what they try to do. I saw that interview. They framed a question.
and right away you nailed them not accepting the frame. Of course. They're clowns. And when they try to intimidate me and they come with their agendas and they expect me to be
scared of these people. I don't fear these people at all because I don't respect these people.
So I guess confidence just comes from the fact that I know
In the end of the day, I'm going to be OK. And I have a lot of faith in
myself and i also have a lot of faith in future andrew i feel like
If I'm pretty good now, I'll be better in the future. So as the matrix attacks increase, or as my enemies get more inventive or more creative, or whatever comes my way, I'm sure at the age of 50, I'll be more capable of dealing with it than I am today. So...
It is what it is. And I also enjoy the struggles of life. I enjoy the war.
I like when
It's incorrect for me to say I like when bad things happen. That's the wrong way to look at it. But there's certainly a part of me that gets excited.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe that's the warrior in me, but when they say
Even when I think back now, I'll be completely honest with you. If I could go back retrospectively,
and avoid going to jail, I wouldn't have done it.
If I could have stopped it, I wouldn't have stopped it. Because now I think about it,
It was.
exciting and you you were living out of your values well yeah it's it's
It's war. It's exciting. Like bad things can happen. It's a terrible experience. You're going to suffer. I enjoy all of those things.
Retrospectively, I don't--
Maybe some men are different, but I think if you ask the average man to think back on the times of his life that he really suffered or he hated,
usually if they're a good man retrospectively they're glad they happened at the time you may hate them
But not very many men are going to sit and say, oh, I wish I didn't have to go through that.
maybe the loss of a loved one or something. Sure. But in general...
I think they're the best things that ever happened to people. That's when you grow the most. You have conversations with God. You're introspective. You grow the most. Absolutely. And those are your stories.
Yeah.
If you sit a man down and say, tell us a story,
And what's he going to say? Oh, I went to the club and I got bottles and I got a girl. Is that your story? I mean, maybe it is for some guys. But I think the coolest stories are going to be the war stories.
How you conquered war. Absolutely. So how you beat the matrix. Well bad things are supposed to happen to us and my confidence comes from the fact that I'm not afraid of any of these things because I know they're supposed to happen and I know that they're a massive opportunity and I feel.
Excited by them.
What are some of the things that people would be shocked to know maybe you deal with, not on an insecurity level, because I'm
I would ask, what are some insecurities you have? But what are some things? That's a good question. What are some insecurities? Let me steal it from you. What are some insecurities? Yeah.
Let me see if I can even think of any. Everyone's going to call me disingenuine.
but I'm not being disingenuine because
I'll give you an example. I had a guy message me.
And he said, Andrew, I don't know what to do.
I'm a...
five foot one i'm really short i'm training and i've got lots of money and i'm really short and i don't know what to do i was like bro do exactly what you do if you were tall
I mean, maybe not play basketball, but. Be confident and be your best self and train as hard as possible and be a good person and make money and be dedicated and be diligent. Why would.
anything change. You are who you are and you play the hand you have. Just like in poker, you can't help if you have pocket aces or something else. You play the hand and that's how you win the game.
You can win a game with nothing. You can bluff your way through it.
So when I say I don't have insecurities, it's not because I can't think of anything about myself that isn't perfect. It's just because I don't care. It doesn't matter. This is who I am. This is the life I'm going to live. I'm going to do my absolute best irregardless of
what I have,
heaven forbid something bad happens to me i'm in a car crash and i lose my arm well i'll still get up and just train and work and
I'll do exactly the same things I'm doing now. What can you do? So I think that securities are a waste of time. I think it's a waste of time.
waste of cognition to even sit and consider an insecurity. I am who I am.
Mm-hmm.
So I don't know. I can't think of any insecurities. I can't.
Were you ever insecure with the ladies coming up?
Well, you're nervous, I guess.
Andrew Tate used to get nervous with women. Well, when you're a teenager, when you're a teenager, I think everyone is. But I also think the dating market was different back then because you actually had to go up to girls and talk to them.
And they weren't Instagram famous with guys that will fly them out to Dubai the second they turn 18, 19. Yeah, well that's right. The whole world was a completely different place. You'd have to go up to girls and say hello for the first thing, which most modern men probably don't do anymore. It's all online or Instagram, etc.
So that was a huge part of it, and secondly,
I guess the counter to that is that women were a bit more humble because they weren't getting flown around the world from their Instagram profiles.
There was
interesting dating market which is completely gone now.
Most men now, I don't think,
I don't know. And you talk about something beautiful. I was listening to an interview you did recently. And you talk about how, you know, now there's a stigma. If men go up to a woman and say they're beautiful or talk to them, like, oh, he's cringe. He's a creeper.
But you made a great point because you said everybody in this room right now is here.
because a man approached a woman and they had sex. Oh, absolutely. Some of the greatest things in the world were created as a byproduct of that. But yet now we stigmatize it like you're weird.
Well, it's an attack on masculinity along with everything else. But now it's some form of sexual assault or some form of perversion. Did you ever see that video? I think it was five or six years ago. It was a woman walking through New York City and she recorded herself for eight hours walking around in circles like a dummy.
And then dudes would say, hey, you're good looking. And she'd pretend she was offended. And then she got her editing crew together and sat there with her cat. And she has no girlfriend. And edited all the video together. And took that eight hours of footage and condensed it down to three minutes of being asked if she's okay. And pretended how.
She's victimized.
Yeah, and the world jumps on the bandwagon in comments. Oh, no! Men said hello! But that's exactly the reason we're all here right now. A man at some point went up to a woman and said hello. And if you ask a woman, she wants to be courted and chased. Women love being chased. Anyway, of course, like all things, this is nuanced. I'm not saying be a stalker. I'm not saying be a creep. Obviously, there's some dudes who are weird, et cetera.
Not too long ago, yes, a man had to go up to a woman and say hello.
And that's changed now. It's moved all to this digital realm. And then in the digital realm, we're just measuring people based on social media profiles, which is obviously a highlight of their life.
And then women are becoming more and more deluded in their expectations.
because they're looking at
these
men who have these certain lifestyles and certain capabilities and they believe they deserve them. And they're also going to attach to that the insanity and of
of monogamy to that. I find that really interesting. That woman will sit there and go, you know,
I'm simple. I just want a man who's rich and tall and strong and smart and charismatic and interesting and spontaneous and loves my cat and cares about my feelings and likes to talk and likes the same movies as me and wants to hang out with my family. And he has a Lamborghini and he has lots of money. And we go on holidays. And he has a big house. And he's really muscly. That's all I want. And he only wants me. He doesn't want any other girl. Just me.
It's clown world. And then they -- and then you have the average man who would even offer them some degree of normalcy. They'll ignore because they want this guy thinking that
in their hubris,
Because women can be self-deluded sometimes. That they're, I don't know, the only pretty girl who wants this guy. And they end up sharing him. And then they have a mental breakdown over it.
And they either stay or they run and try and find another dude. Hypergamy. Yeah. And it goes over and over and over again. So, that's the modern day market which is,
Extremely difficult item.
estimate for most men to navigate. What do you think are the consequences of that scaled out over the next 10, 20, 30 years and beyond? Because the world is going that way.
It's kind of interesting. We're going back to the way -- you know they say history repeats and the world is cyclical. Aren't we going back to how it used to be? Didn't kings have like ten wives?
And the average man was just dying in a war somewhere, suffering. Survival of the fittest. I mean, it's kind of getting there now. I'm sure if you're --
I wouldn't know, but if you were a world-renowned
billionaire,
You'd have as many options as you liked. So I think it's always been that way. Kings have always had more than one. And I don't do many dating podcasts anymore. But the odd clips I see, I see.
you see the odd idiot.
women or some guys were sitting there saying, "High-value men don't cheat." And there's always women saying, "No, real men don't cheat."
Listen.
It's the women who are deciding to share these famous men. It's the women who are deciding to chase famous men who have unlimited options. It's the women deciding to chase a man with resources. You are making the choices and then you're surprised that you're ending up in the situation you're in.
This is human nature. And you talk about something really interesting. I was listening to the George Janko podcast and you were talking about, you know, you talked about the concept of polygamy, right? I don't have multiple, you know, women or partners.
and you were saying that society stigmatizes it. And it's shocking to people to hear this, but if you open your mind and kind of hear the rationale,
I think it's really interesting because you talk about, well,
You know, people criticize that, but then the same guy who's loyal,
behind the scenes is, you know,
masturbating or watching porn or going to strip clubs or whatever it is. The masculine imperative is to conquer.
Like we said earlier.
It's our imperative to make as much money as possible and be as big and strong as possible and be as important as possible and to conquer land, to go and take something from someone else. And by extension, the masculine imperative is to conquer. That can also be applied to sexuality. We're interested in conquest.
So if a man has the capability to sleep with lots of women, he probably will sleep with lots of women.
Mm-hmm.
And this idea that men are loyal or that women are obsessed with this idea of having a man which is loyal is actually quite interesting because I think it's one of the main reasons women
end up so heartbroken and so bitter in the first place. And the divorce rates are so high, women mostly initiate them. Of course. But women, what they do is they get with a guy. He's a good guy. They love him. He's their best friend. He takes care of them.
They're happy. The man cheats. They get heartbroken. They leave the guy. They get with another guy who they love less than the first guy who wasn't even as good as he was. He cheats. They leave him.
They get with another guy, and after seven or eight or 10 or 12 or however many it takes for their heart to finally die.
Then they end up just on the carousel of whoredom doing OnlyFans.
And it's not because they intended on being that type of person, it's not because they wanted to be promiscuous, it's because of their obsession
with loyalty that they end up just running from place to place. The truth is,
And I say these things, and I know there's a lot of people who counter my view, but most of them are not important enough for me to talk to, so I don't care.
But,
The truth is,
Men have an innate desire to conquer.
Masculine sexuality is very different than female sexuality.
Men act in a certain way because
We don't feel the consequences of those actions like a woman does, e.g. pregnancy. And this obsession with loyalty is so asinine because it's not even real.
To go into the point you made earlier,
Women say, "Oh, but my man's loyal." Well, there's two points to that. The first thing is,
If he has no other option, he's not really loyal.
If you go into a grocery store and they only sell apples,
and you buy an apple every day.
You're not allowed to tell me you love apples.
because you don't have any other choice. It's when you go into a grocery store and they have a whole wide array of fruit, and you buy an apple six days a week,
But on Wednesdays, you take a banana.
or grape.
THEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SAY I LOVE APPLES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPTIONS AND YOU STILL CHOOSE THE APPLE THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME.
A lot of women say, "My man's loyal." I say, "Listen,
If he could fuck, he would.
No girl wants him.
Congratulations.
That's the first thing. The second thing is, this whole idea of loyalty, once again,
is skewed because all these men who are in faithful, monogamous relationships are talking to webcam girls or buying OnlyFans.
or masturbating to porn, or trying to fuck girls who won't fuck them, chasing girls on Instagram who ignore them anyway. Is that loyalty?
That's just failure. That's not loyalty. That's just failing to succeed. Why are you going to be with a failure? What kind of woman wants to be with a failure? My woman needs to believe in me. If I say to her, I'm going to get that chick, I better get her. If I was a chick and my dude said, I tried to cheat on you, but she rejected me.
I'd be more off put than if he cheated. You couldn't even get the pussy. What am I with you for then?
Crazy. So the whole thing is messed up because it's not natural human nature. And I think that the
It's interesting because you can apply it to so many things. And I understand how the nuclear family and monogamy and society can function under that paradigm well. I understand why it's being promoted or why it was promoted for so long for the stability of a society. I understand all of these things very well.
I'm just commentating. I'm just making social commentary. But for the longest period of human time, it was kings.
men of resource and capability and status of multiple partners. This is how it was. And then most men couldn't find a partner at all. And I feel like we're returning to that point.
- Mm-hmm.
And...
People often ask me what we should do about that. And I don't know what they want me to do.
I'm just making the point of where we're ending up. And women are driving this. Women are driving this through their choices and through their
with
with
resource and finance and status.
and choosing these men. And it's also very interesting because they don't expect any of these men to ever
truly be loyal at the beginning. It's only after they get their claws into him that they start having a mental breakdown if he gets another girlfriend because they're jealous. But if they look at him from the start, they know what they're going to get. And they still choose it. So that's where we are.
It's very interesting. And it's funny because a lot of people had these opinions. But before you came into the world like out of nowhere and became the biggest thing. Menchie.
Men cheat sometimes. Men cheat. If your man pays your bills, and he loves you, and he died to protect you,
and he takes care of you, and he's fixed all your problems, and he forgave you that time you crashed the car like an idiot.
And he cheated.
Just stay with him.
Get over it.
Get over it. That's the way humanity has always been.
There's so many psyops we're operating under where we're gonna come along and pretend humanity hasn't always been the same way all of the time.
That's the way it's always operated between men and women, to a degree. Do you think that's the most controversial point?
that you have, obviously you have many, but is that the one you get most of the heat for? Or what do you think is
the biggest opinion you have that gives you a lot of heat. You know, it's interesting because I probably should know the answer to this question. But I don't listen to any of the opinions anyone has of me very often. I see clips that go viral. I've seen some guys sit and say, "High status men don't cheat." And I look at him and say, "Bro, your arms are skinny." Shut up, bro. You don't even know what high status man is. You're a little bitch. None of my girlfriends even talk to you.
Guy's a loser. And then there's some chicks who sit there and go, well, I think you think, do you?
since when so bullshit I'm just talking about how the world genuinely truly operates
That's how it actually operates. And it always has operated that way. And for a woman to sit there and go, my man, I would never let him have another wife. But then he goes away with the boys and goes to strip clubs and bangs hookers and watches porn every night and jerks off thinking of another woman.
You're proud of yourself? Really? Truly? Wouldn't it be nicer? And I'm just thought experiment. Wouldn't it be actually nicer and happier just for you to let your man have some side chick and just stop giving money to literal whores? You know? Whatever. And then you can go deeper down the rabbit hole and you understand that there's societies and there's also women out there in the world who understand very well the truths.
I can speak from personal experience. There's women out there who will literally look at you and say,
I don't expect monogamy from you because I know who you are. I just want you to love me.
That's, to me, that's a smart woman. To me, that's intelligent.
A feminist would argue the opposite and say, "She's insecure, da-da-da."
But she's gorgeous and the feminist isn't. So who gives a shit what she thinks anyway? But it's crazy. Were you ever monogamous or in a monogamous relationship early on? Did you ever try it?
Did Andrew Tate ever try monogamy?
- Thank you.
Is the answer no? Does that make me sound bad?
I think the answer might be no.
Because a lot of men at least try it and then get the heart broken and go, "Yeah, fuck this." But it's not even about the heartbreak.
Mm-hmm.
I have to be careful how I word this.
But,
I don't
"Think."
- Thank you.
I'll be careful how I word this.
If a man decides and wants to be monogamous, that's his prerogative. And I have absolutely zero problem with it. I don't care.
Mm-hmm.
But those same men find it disgusting or terrible that a man may have two or three girlfriends. They think that's a bad thing for some reason.
Why would they care?
You have your relationship and you're monogamous and you're happy. And let's say the other man has his relationships and they're all happy. Why would it bother you if there's not a sense of jealousy involved in it or you feel inferior for some reason?
I think men are always going to put their heart in one place.
and they might put the rest of them other places sometimes.
And I don't think that's a big deal. And I think it's always been that way throughout
the entirety of human history.
And I think this veil that we've thrown on top of society now, trying to pretend it's not supposed to be that way, is clearly failing.
It's just one of the thousands of psyops we're living under. But we're raising girls, saying to them, "You're going to find a man. "He's going to be tall and strong and smart and interesting and "rich and charismatic and important. "He's going to pay all your bills and you're going to go on TikTok. "And you're going to show what Louis Vuitton bags you buy. "And you're going to go to Courcheval. "And you're going to go skiing. "And he's going to only want you and be loyal to only you." It's garbage.
I explained earlier where this leads women.
And
I don't think men prescribe to it.
truly in their hearts. They lie to the woman and pretend they prescribe to it. And they either do all those things I just
earlier behind the woman's back.
or they cheat on her and end up getting caught.
And I just feel like the whole thing is so silly. I don't know why--
you'll have men who will cheat and then the woman will catch them and they'll be like, "I'm so sorry."
Why can't I don't know, maybe I'm maybe I'm lazy.
Why can't men stand on it?
I love you. Her tits were big.
Mm-hmm.
It is what it is.
Leave me that. You can leave me. You can go find another famous billionaire. Good luck.
Well, you don't want to leave. Well, then why are we talking about it? It's been a whole 15 minutes now. Let's move on. You're thinking about her more than I did. You're in love with her or something. It's like you cheated.
But I don't know. I just feel like there should be -- the whole
relationship market, everything. It just has this veil of insincerity to it. I don't know. It just feels very
fake.
What do you think about women who will hear that or say to that,
you know, well, if men can,
Why can't women do the same? Why can't women have multiple partners? Why can't women date? What do you say to that? It's quite often that women say stupid things like that.
they try and compare themselves to men and they try and say they can do the same things men can do and
We can go down the history of why biologically that is impossible and how women can get pregnant. And the fact they can take a pill to prevent them getting pregnant does not change their biological imperatives. And the fact that they're more likely to get emotionally invested with somebody they sleep with. And if they don't, then they're a broken person.
And you could talk about the safety aspects, even the basic physical safety aspects.
If a woman has five boyfriends,
That.
can instigate violence.
not only between the boyfriends, but also against her. Now, bad things can happen if a woman's cheating with lots of men. But if a man's cheating with lots of women,
I don't know. They don't have hands, no footwork, no head movement.
Not much will happen besides some screaming and some WhatsApp messages. But there's a million different reasons why that shouldn't be allowed. And I think most people know that.
Only a broken woman would sit there and go, "Well, if you can do it, I can do it." It's actually kind of amazing how
all these broken women will tell you they're broken far in advance. You can just avoid them completely because women don't want to do that.
Mm-hmm.
Women want to be with one man.
Unless they're broken by society and their minds been destroyed and their hearts gone cold,
If you ask a woman what she wants, she wants to be with one man she loves. And she wants to be monogamous in general. And if she respects that man, she'll remain loyal. Most women want that unless they're broken.
And a man doesn't want that. A man wants one woman who he loves and he wants to put his heart there. And he also wants a degree of freedom to conquer the world. That's what men want. So we're now living in a relationship dynamic where we've told the women their wants and their desires are going to trump the masculine desires.
and the masculine desires are all taking place anyway, all underneath the carpet.
And it just feels insincere and stupid. And I don't know why we can't just be a bit more honest about everything.
- So when you date women, are you just honest straight up front?
-
I don't date anymore. I've retired. I've settled down with my
"Eleven wives."
So I'm settled down now. No new ones. Don't trust them. Might be matrix agents.
Thousands of women message me per month trying to send me love letters, but I don't trust any of them.
So I don't meet them. It's funny. We kept this interview top secret, but some of my internal team are women. And it's funny.
A lot of them are like, I love Andrew. He's the man. You know, it's like a lot of them are so. And then they have girlfriends that are like, oh, my God, how could you say it? And they're like, oh, my God, but he's right. You know, I'm sure you get a lot of that. Yeah, I have lots of female fans, but I'm careful. To say the least. I'm careful who I meet because I can't trust them. Sure.
But,
I don't think you have to be up--
Like most things in life, it's also not what you say, it's how you say it.
Right, the frame. Frame control. It's the framing, like everything in life. There's a lot of guys who hear what I say and they're autistic about it.
Or they don't have the finesse to get away with it. Or they'll sit and say with a girl, autistically, "I want to cheat on you." What do you expect to happen?
Like in life, there has to be some degree of famos.
And girls will know within the first hour of talking. She'll be like, well, how many girlfriends you have then, LOL.
You'll be my favorite.
I don't deny it. I make it semi clear. They kind of know they dream of some reality in the future where I'll fall in love with only them and all the others will go away. And
Maybe.
No, maybe.
Now, switching gears, you know, a lot of the stuff you talk about on social media, not just a lot of these things, but you talk about, you know, politics, you talk about everything. You're not afraid to talk about anything. Talk to me a little bit about social media, right? Because I know early on, first, you were a philosopher on social.
and it went from text to videos that went viral around the world. Talk to me about the fact, because I love this, you talk about this so much about how you went from
literally in a span of a few years, not being known on video too much, to being arguably the, or unarguably probably,
the most famous person on the internet, period.
Was that something that like intentionally you sat down inside one day and were smoking a cigar and said, you know what, fuck it, let's go viral? Because it seemed so intentional that literally it went from one day like, who is this guy?
to like a year later, everyone knows Andrew Tate around the world. Right. Because people have fame in here or there or, you know, maybe pockets or countries.
But you go, you know, I've been to Egypt. I've been to Dominican Republic. I've been to England. You know, the country, India, like all these beautiful countries in the world.
And everybody knows Andrew Tate.
How did you.. Yeah, I conquered the internet. How did you do that? Was that something you sat down one day and decided or did it just kind of gradually happen? No, it was a deliberate attack. We put together a three stage plan and we had a deliberate goal.
And the first goal was to become as well known as possible.
that we're going to do it via a
semi-sophisticated affiliate network. No one else had done it exactly the way we've done it.
and it can't be done again.
It was a zero day exploit, which we identified in the social media networks. And I won't give out all of the details, but I sat down with six or seven other war room members, and we decided to make sure that everybody on the planet knew who I was.
And we knew that that would result in consequences for me. We knew that that would result in cancellation
One, because of the amount of impact we had. But two, because the things we would be saying and showing would be deliberately polarizing because that drives viewers and drives engagement. And we knew that would eventually bite me. We didn't expect me to end up getting thrown in jail for it.
I didn't expect to end up getting my bank accounts canceled and
banned from countries and all this insanity. I just expected maybe to lose a few social media accounts, but the matrix runs deep.
Mm-hmm.
And the cancellation was also part of it.
part of the three-stage plan and
The goal was
primarily to do some damage to the monopoly that the
social media companies have on information.
because
When this was going on, Twitter wasn't owned by Elon yet. There was YouTube. And
even during COVID, you couldn't tell the truth about anything that was happening ever. And they had absolute monopoly on how people access information and viewed the world.
And we thought, well, if we can get well known enough and then get canceled, we actually intended on some point of building our own platform where we can speak freely,
I've now moved to Rumble. You can find me on Rumble. We were doing a fantastic job for free speech. And now X is owned by Elon. It's no longer Twitter, which is, again, it's free speech. So the Matrix has cracked to a degree. I'd like to believe I was part of that movement. I'd like to believe that the world is more free and more open now than it was back then.
But to answer your question, it was all done very deliberately.
I just
didn't expect it to get as big as it did. It snowballed to a point where it was almost getting hard to manage and control.
We intended on getting well known and we intended on getting canceled, but it got so big and so crazy. The consequences were very real.
Was the primary objective partially obviously you know was to grow online but was the motivation also to kind of drive traffic obviously to the business and e-commerce online how much of that.
was the motive initially
versus getting your message out there? Or was it a little bit of the two? That's a perfect question for me to take a piss.
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The question was what? You can ask the question again or should I start? Driving traffic to e-commerce. Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool.
Um,
So switching gears a little bit, let's talk about your desire to grow on social media. How much of it was to grow the business through e-commerce and online with infinite scale?
versus get your message to the world. I'm sure it was a little bit of the two, but when you were sitting there planning your social media,
three step plan of attack. What was the primary motive for you? So the primary motive is that COVID pissed me off. COVID annoyed me.
I lost faith in humanity during COVID. I couldn't stand people anymore.
I think I've changed for life.
from a societal point of view because of the COVID experience. Before COVID,
I'd go through life and think, okay, whatever, people are people.
Nothing as strange as humans, but everyone's got some semblance
of
worldview and some degree of morality. But COVID destroyed nearly all of that for me. I became
quite an angry person during COVID.
And I knew that they only managed to propagate this lie for so long because they had a monopoly on information. I decided to become as well-known as possible deliberately so that I could get canceled, so that I could drive traffic to my own social networks or my own...
I was planning on building my own platform so that
When COVID came back or the new COVID came, I could speak freely. Because I kept getting banned everywhere. I've lost like 12 Twitter accounts. I lost my YouTube. I was banned on everything.
when I spoke about COVID. So that was the initial
intention was to just
Maybe I was bitter.
Maybe I was resentful.
but it was COVID that inspired me initially.
And then, of course,
Making money is very important when you fight a war and having traffic driven to my
products or my house is university is good because it allows me to fund myself in the war. But I was already rich. I already had a lot of money. And the reason my school exists isn't for me to make money. That's not why it exists. It's interesting that you've asked me this question. It's an amalgamation of lots of different ideas. But I always had the intention of getting a network of people who understood how the world really worked and a place where you could truly speak freely. And then I want those people to be as powerful as possible. I don't want the people who understand how the world works to be broke. I want them to be rich because that allows them to fight against the matrix and have some kind of influence. You don't want a whole bunch of people broke working wagey jobs. They can't do very much unless you want to have a
violent
revolution you want people who earn money online or geographically free or have large platforms or can speak aloud
who aren't afraid of being canceled.
to fight an information war.
So we ended up with this amalgamation of building my own social network and then me trying to teach those people to make money.
and me being able to speak freely inside of the network. And that's kind of where the whole university came together
formed into its current state. We have over 200,000 members now. So, we're very large. How important do you think it is for people to make money online with e-commerce? I think it's important for people to make money in a way that doesn't allow them to be canceled and controlled. It doesn't have to be e-commerce. It doesn't necessarily have to be online, although that's easier.
But the main reason that they're going to control you is because you have to pay your mortgage.
And they're going to hit you financially. So if you're working a job and they say take the vaccine, it's very hard for you to say no when you have a family to feed and a mortgage to pay. I would argue that a lot of people begrudgingly took it. I probably think the majority of people begrudgingly took it because they had bills to pay.
So if you make money online, sure,
It's harder to make you do that.
But you don't necessarily have to make money online. You have to make money in a manner in which it's harder for the matrix to force you to do things you don't want to do. So you have freedom and control over your own. And freedom of speech because a lot of people can't say what they think. I just said earlier how I think there is a blanket of deception over the entire dating market.
I think that we're living in a world where women's desires for monogamy have triumphed
over masculine desires for conquest. And that women will sit and tell men, "You should be man enough to do what I want and control yourself."
But no one ever has the conversation
the other way around, where a man can say to a woman, you should be woman enough, because we're, it's feminism, right? We're equal. You should be woman enough
to understand my desires and let me be a man. You just let me be a man and don't complain about it.
But we'll do it her way, right?
You live under my imperative and don't complain about it. If you do anything else, you're a bad person. I think there's a bunch of deception involved. I don't think any man's loyal anyway. I think we've outsourced.
to degeneracy, the masculine desire, which is
accelerating the destruction of society, all these things.
If I had a normal job, I couldn't say any of it.
I just, you literally couldn't say it.
So, and you're not going to think what you don't say.
So when I built my platform, when I started getting massive influence, and I was driving people inside of my
University and I allowed
And I had a platform where I could speak to people truthfully, completely uncensored. I then wanted those people to have money and influence and not to be cancelable. Otherwise, they can't echo my ideas or adopt my ideas or truly understand them.
If you can't repeat an idea, or if your integrity
is contingent on not understanding an idea, you're not going to understand it deliberately. You're going to pretend you don't get it.
So everything kind of worked together. And I think that's probably the power of my brand is that a lot of the people who start agreeing with what I say and believe in me,
and then perhaps join Hustlers University, which you can join on cobertake.com.
They get to echo my ideas and they get to
take them and adapt them and implement them in their lives or perhaps build on them or perhaps take a version of them. I'm not saying they're copies of me. But because they become free from the matrix, they get to think freely for the first time. Because there are certain things, there are certain ideas inside of the matrix which you're not allowed to question.
You're not allowed to question them.
And I couldn't have a normal job and sit and say that.
men like to enjoy the company of women. You couldn't say that with a normal job anymore.
somehow they've got even
That.
at a point where it's a cancelable offense for men to like women now. It's interesting because
I don't know if this has been tested.
But if I was gay,
And I was arguing against monogamy.
and was talking about the fact that
I want to have multiple partners or that there's masculine conquest in things.
Or that I have a partner I love, but sometimes I do things outside of the marriage or whatever you call it.
I think the Matrix establishment would celebrate me and call me an amazing person. Say, "Oh, yeah, you know, it'd all be funny. It'd all be one big joke. Ha, ha, ha. He's gay and he has boyfriends and he does whatever. It'd all be one big joke." But as soon as you say, "Oh, well, yeah, a man has a wife who he cares about and he loves very much."
He also has whatever.
They have a mental breakdown.
Yeah, it's hypocritical.
Yeah.
Makes sense. I'll let you light it if you want to.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
*sniff*
So,
So,
I love that touching base on that. I love that you say people don't have to make money online or have e-commerce.
But.
It is a vehicle for freedom.
in a certain regard. Yeah, it absolutely is. The first thing they're going to do always is try and hit your
Mm-hmm.
Because money...
What are they what are they begging America for from Ukraine right now money?
You want to fight a war, you need money. So if they take your money away, you don't have bullets in your gun. That's the first thing they're going to do. And the world tried taking your money away. I remember you woke up one day, all your bank accounts were canceled. Yeah, that's right. All my bank accounts were frozen. Everything was taken from me. Was it gradual or was it just one day, everything? Instant. Woke up, everything was taken.
Flip switch, just like that. Flip switch. All my bank accounts in every country they could find in my name was taken overnight.
- Just like that. - No explanation. - No explanation. I got some letter from the bank, something about our,
and some garbage, some complete generic nothing you get later on. So the funds are just locked up? Locked, yeah. I still don't have them.
So it's been two, two and a half years. I don't think I'll ever get them back.
AND THOSE -- HOW DID YOU REACT TO THAT?
I'm sure you were a little pissed off. I was, but I expected it to happen.
I don't think most, it's amazing to me that there's people going through the world today who believe
that the world functions how they're told it functions. They believe that there's law and there's banks and there's regulation and
this is supposed to happen this way. No, it's all a lie. Everything is a lie. And I don't think people at home understand the basic premise of,
if
You had two teams playing basketball.
for
A hundred bucks.
and there was no referee.
then people would end up cheating and breaking the rules to try and win.
And that's for $100. That's human nature. So imagine how they're going to cheat and break the rules to control the most powerful nation on earth in an election.
or to control and influence how people think with an information war. To think that they're going to allow somebody to sit on the internet, become the most famous man in the world and say whatever he wants, you know,
counter to their narratives and they're not going to damage him is asinine. You must understand that that's not going to be allowed to happen and you must understand they're going to break all the rules to damage that person. Somebody made a phone call and they deleted all of my social media and locked all of my banks at once and took all of my things.
And then,
The Matrix attack increased and I was arrested here in Romania. They took all of my cars, all my gold, all my diamond watches, all the property they could find, everything in my name. They took all of it. They took it. And the goal is to bankrupt me. Their goal is to bankrupt me for a variety of reasons. One, because it prevents me from fighting back. And secondly, because they're trying to put a massive amount of mental stress on me.
It's -- you live inside of your mind at the end of the day.
it's only inside of your head that you're existing so their primary objective is to take all of your money away
So that your children can't eat. So the women who depend on you are calling you up, crying, screaming about their needs. So that the staff you're supposed to pay can't feed their families. So that you're in the middle of an implosion.
That's what they want. They want me to be answering the phone to people saying, "Pay my bills," and I can't do it anymore.
By extension of that,
your circle starts to fall away, and they can identify attack vectors. Ah, well, this girl who was loyal to him when we first interviewed her because her rent was being paid, now has a new man, and this new man doesn't like that she's Andrew's ex anyway. So maybe we drag her in a second time, she'll say things we want her to say. That's the primary objective. So if you're a man who wants to tell the truth and speak his opinion and understand you're going to upset powerful people, you need to be prepared for all of this, and you need to understand that
There are mechanisms you can put in place because I'm still alive that allow you to exist financially post matrix attack. But also to make money outside of these mechanisms is a massive advantage. And that's what the Internet is good for. I actually would argue.
'cause I was having this conversation the other day. I think I'm in quite a rare category of person. I think that I'm quite difficult for them to attack.
which is why I'm so frustrating to them because even
eight years ago, which isn't that long ago. Seven, eight years ago, right?
Who was truly famous without gatekeeping?
Like if you're an actor, you're gatekeep it. You're gate kept.
If you're a singer,
Gatekeeping. Yeah. If like who sports star
There was always someone who called your phone and said what you can say, what you can't say. Don't have this opinion. That's right. There's always someone who could make you disappear, get you canceled, kick you out the team, get you canceled, no more movies, et cetera. Then the internet came. And the internet came.
And there were some people who were big online, fine. But then the social media companies were gatekeeping for a long time. But to crack that wall and to get bigger,
than the gatekeepers to a point where they can't contain you.
All they have left is the legal system at that point, which is why I'm in the particular event I'm in. But I think I'm quite an interesting category of person for them to hurt because usually when people talk like I talk,
They're either insignificant,
usually because they've been stopped so early and prevented from growth. Yeah. Or they just canceled their contract and they have to go away.
It's usually one of two things that happen.
Yeah, but you own your medium. You own your broadcasting in a certain way. And it's funny because you talked about you were the most viral person on social media before you even had a lot of TikTok accounts. Like you were the most viral person.
on these platforms before it even happens. So the power of e-commerce, the power of your brand,
Yeah, we, yeah, we,
There's been some videos that broke down how I became so famous, how I became so known around the world. But we put together an extremely sophisticated affiliate network. And the primary objective was to drive people to our own social media networks so we could tell the truth.
Because I was upset about COVID and a few other things.
And then that amalgamated into understanding the people inside of our network who want to hear what I have to say and who want to speak the truth are also going to need to make money and are also going to need to be matrix proof.
which is how the school evolves into what it is today.
Yeah, isn't it crazy we live in a world where
If you have an opinion which differs from the norm whatsoever, you can't even hold a job. What's I do like to do thought experiments, though, and think
Would the world be better if everyone could say what they thought all of the time?
Because sometimes
I'll be honest and I admit, sometimes you have to always, and I think a lot of people don't do this often enough, is sit and consider if they're on the right side of history. And I truly believe I am absolutely on the right side of history. But...
For me to come to that conclusion, I need to sit and think about it, right?
People don't sit and think, am I the good guy?
Because in a war, the bad guys always think of the good guys. That's how it works. There's two good guys. Or the bad guys will label the good guy as the bad guy. Frame control. And the truth is, often, there are no good guys and bad guys. There are varying interests.
and different levels of good and bad and everything's a shade of gray. It's not black and white. But I truly believe I'm on the right side of history. But you have to sit and analyze these things. And I don't think people do it often enough.
And I've come to the conclusion that we do need some degree of matrix. You do need some degree of slave-minded populist. You do need some degree of societal control.
over the way people think and act.
And that makes me sad to say. But I think if you totally removed it, there would be absolute anarchy. I think it should be replaced with God. I think we should have a different system. I think people do need controlling.
Mm-hmm.
But,
If everyone could say what they thought all of the time, would the world be a better place? I'm not sure.
But it would certainly be a lot less
deceptive. And I feel like God's
The truth of God is light on issues. I think that if we're going to be making decisions which can affect millions of lives, or people are going to be blown apart, or someone's going to be sent to a war, we should at least know the truth about why it's happening. And the problem is right now we're operating in such a cloud of deception all of the time. And if people could speak their...
mind all of the time, perhaps we'd remove some of that fog and it'd be a far more
open discourse.
But I don't know if that would lead to absolute chaos or not. It's a very interesting thought experiment. I'm not sure. Yeah. And to speak to that point, it's interesting you say that because you look at President Donald Trump, right? The second on social media it's too loud, banned.
- Yeah. - Right, mitigating. What are your thoughts on the upcoming election, President Donald Trump? - Oh boy, you're trying to get me killed.
I think that
is the last hope for the West.
I think it's the last hope for the Western
powers as we imagine them and know them.
I think that America still believes it is the world's only superpower and it's actually
two decades behind in its thinking.
I think they're still holding on to ideas from the 90s and 80s. I don't think they're as powerful as they believe they are. I think there's other massive global players
I think the decline of Western society culturally
is being accelerated
And I believe Trump can slow that down. I don't think he can stop it.
I don't think Trump having four years of presidency are going to prevent
the cultural decimation of the West.
However, I certainly think he'll slow it down. And we can talk about things politically, and we can talk about the politics of it, and how the election's coming up, and whether he's going to win, and if they're going to let him win.
But I think actually, truthfully, it's culture that drives societies.
Because you could take
all of the laws
and all of the politicians.
of Sweden
and put them in power in Burkina Faso, and you would not have Sweden.
There's different cultures.
different ways of life, different societies, different demographics.
different everything. So I think it's culture that drives.
And you can look at that in a lot of different ways.
I think firearm statistics prove it.
probably the best that in switzerland there's there's huge gun ownership and there's no max shootings and there's no murders but
in America. There is. Is that because of the gun laws? Is that because of the gun prevalence? No, it's because of...
The culture.
and the people.
So I think Trump would be a massive culture win.
Have you talked to him or his team or any kind of anything or is that off?
I have to be careful what I say publicly because I don't want to get him
tied to
my current legal mess, but that also answers the question.
But I think it's a cultural win more than it is a political win. It's culture that drives. Because Trump winning would be fantastic for the culture because it would reestablish masculinity and nationalism.
and an air of competence and speaking what you think and
fear of political correctness, that's a culture win, which will have massive ramifications for the culture of the country, which is more important than the politics of the country,
So, yeah, I think Trump is the last chance because we have to change the culture of the West if we're going to survive.
the current trajectory of Western culture
only ends in being conquered.
Because it doesn't allow men to even be men anymore in nearly any regard.
and it's only masculine essence that's going to protect and preserve a society. It's always been that way.
It would be the men that stopped the other people from taking over your village, town, country, whatever it was. And now that we've removed masculinity absolutely from the West,
were going to be conquered.
and
in the short term,
We're going to be conquered by our women before we're conquered by everyone else. And I feel like we're almost already there. I'd argue that we live in a society where women have more power than men in nearly every regard. I can't think of an example where...
outside of physical violence.
where a man has an advantage over a woman in anything anymore. And all of a man's natural imperatives are ignored. And everything a man cares about is ignored. And his feelings are ignored. And his desires are ignored. And his desires are ignored.
And society still expects certain things of us. They still expect us to charge into a burning building.
when it's on fire.
because only men are going to be able to do that. But at the same time, they don't want to raise men who are brave.
And we're in this weird hypocritical scenario which is allowing society to limp on. But in two generations from now, there's going to be no men which charge into burning buildings anymore. And then what's going to happen?
Hmm.
May I ask your thoughts on President Biden?
You're certainly trying to get me killed.
We don't have to talk about it if you don't want to. I'll answer it. But I'll say right here on this podcast that I was thrown in a jail in Romania with
heavy support, if not instigation, from
the State Department of the United States of America.
the Democrats.
And, uh...
Biden is a Democratic president.
And...
I hope he enjoys
Hopefully.
I hope his retirement is coming up soon. Let's put it that way. I think that would be good for the world. You know, it's kind of interesting because,
When you're a tough guy,
you rely on your bravado and your reputation far more often than your actual capability it doesn't matter we can take it away from countries if you're a gangster right you rely on your name
far more often than your actual capability. You may build your name off the back of killing two or three people or doing a few heinous things, but that name allows you to survive for years without having to do bad things again.
So it's often bark over bite in life. And America was the number one example of that. And now that they've lost the world's respect,
they find themselves having to bite
and start all these wars and fight all these fights to try and prove they're still the people they said they were.
Thank you.
And then imagine that's not going as well as it should be.
It's just accelerating the decline.
of the respect of the nation. And whether that can even be saved anymore and recovered anymore, I'm not sure.
Certainly a weak American president has accelerated the decimation of Western global dominance. That's clear.
The America of old could simply bark. And that's what made them who they were.
Mm.
I know you keep looking at the cigar. I feel bad. I keep asking before you hit it. All good, bro. Just keep going. Keep it flowing?
Okay.
Now, switching gears, it's interesting because a lot of people hear a lot of what you talk about.
And they hear a lot of these views on many things in life.
What do you think is the biggest misconception or thing that's been taken out of context?
of your views? Because a lot of people take clips, stitch them up, stuff from eight years ago, you know, six years ago, three years ago.
What do you think is the biggest misconception the world has? I don't know if there is a true misconception. I think a lot of it is just weaponized virtue. I think people sit and pretend that they...
believe I'm something I'm not because it allows them to attack me. And they want to attack me because they don't like me for whatever reason. And they can't say I'm not successful.
And they can't say, I'm not happy and I'm not living a good life. And they can't say, I'm not competent. And they can't say, I'm stupid. So they'll sit there and say, I'm a bad person. And then why is he a bad person? Well, because of X. And they'll weaponize a virtue, pretending they care about whatever issue when they don't.
I get called a misogynist all the time.
which I think most people understand isn't true.
Me talking about the natural biological imperatives of men and women does not make me a misogynist. Me saying that women are better at certain things than men and men are better at certain things than women does not make me a misogynist. It makes me a realist.
I get called homophobic, but
Truthfully, I'm fine with that.
You can call me that if you want. I don't believe that is conducive to a
In fact, it's very interesting. We'll talk about this one.
Because...
Putin nailed it. I watched Putin say something the other day and he said that homosexuality is not illegal in Russia.
But the state
will only ever promote family values.
because it is family values that allows the state to exist the future of the state is in the family it's never going to be in homosexuality because it doesn't lead anywhere
besides hedonistic sex and
Orgies, I guess. Or trying to take other people's children and poison their minds so you have a future agenda because you can have your own kids.
And I think he nailed it.
So when they sit and say, "Oh, you say bad things about LGBT," it's not because I have a personal problem with a person who is gay. If you're gay and I don't have a personal problem with you, I don't care.
But if I'm talking about society as a whole,
then I have to talk about the things that are going to be beneficial and promote and create a future for society, don't I? And I also have to protect the minds of my children. If your ideology requires you to parasitically
Thank you.
like an alien
change other people's children to your worldview because you can't have your own.
Again, there's something
quite dark about that, I feel.
It's different if you have a religion and you have your children and your children are raised under your religion because they're yours. But if you have a worldview or a religion or a cult or whatever you want to call it and you need everyone else's kids, that just feels there's something about that that feels dark to me. I don't know. I'm intimidated by that, that there's another worldview completely opposite to my own that exists in the world.
and they can't procreate unless they steal my children's minds or your children's minds
Isn't that-- There's something about that that's perverse. I can't--
Nail it down.
Thank you.
So I get called these things.
But I don't even subscribe to these paradigms anymore. I used to sit and explain why I'm not misogynistic, but now I refuse to even do that. I am a realist.
And as a realist, I will say some things which can be labeled homophobic sometimes.
Like.
the fact that the family between a man and a woman in procreation is the future of a nation and the future of society and the future of humanity. That will be called homophobic sometimes. I will say things that will be called misogynistic sometimes. If I say that women are incapable of fighting a man physically,
You can call me a misogynist for that.
And you can come along and name about, talk about female UFC fighters and try and pretend the exceptions, disprove the rule. And you can go down all these stupid arguments, which I refuse to do. I no longer subscribe to any of these views. I am a realist. And as a realist...
if you understand how the world really works,
You're going to say things sometimes they can take and weaponize and attack you with.
But then we go back to what we said earlier. Are you going to be the kind of person who now is afraid to say certain things because he has to protect his livelihood or he can't take the pressure and take the heat? Because if you are, you're rejecting reality.
You're effectively living in a false reality because you know the reality of the real world, but you're afraid to say it.
So then you're going to pretend reality is different than it is. I would argue this.
I would love for somebody to do this, 'cause there was a time people were walking around on YouTube
asking people questions in public.
Go up, walk through a feminist...
City.
somewhere liberal, some liberal city, and just ask men and women in general, do you think men are stronger than women?
The most basic, simple question. And this is not insulting women in any way. Women love a man who's stronger than them.
It's what they want. It's what they look for.
So this is not insulting to women.
But just walk around and ask them and watch how hard they try to cope their way out of telling the truth.
Well, it depends on the woman. It depends on the man. Well, sometimes. What do you mean strong? What does strong mean? Well, I know a girl who's a Taekwondo black belt. Garbage. You'll watch them cope their way out of reality because they're scared to say the truth.
because that truth they feel has consequences. So now they are changing the fabric of reality. And unfortunately, if enough of these idiots do that,
It has massive knock-on consequences. I would love for someone to walk through Moscow and ask the same question.
Hmm, let's see how many people would be trying to cope with their way out of an answer. So we've built a society which is so fearful.
that people are afraid to tell the basic biological realities of humanity in America. Where I thought you had the First Amendment. I thought you had free speech there.
But in the country where they put free speech in the Constitution, people won't say things which are pertinently obvious.
So, it's very interesting the level of PSYOP we're currently operating under and how they've tied it all together.
and how dangerous it can all be. So I no longer subscribe to any of these
ideals. You've asked what do people think of me that isn't true. I'm not going to sit and say I'm not a misogynist or I'm not homophobic or I'm not race or whatever this garbage to come at me with. I don't even care anymore. I'm a realist. And if you're going to listen to everything I say, you'll probably understand that I know that the world is nuanced.
and nothing is black and white.
But if you're going to take a small clip of it, you're going to make me whatever you want me to be. And you can do that. And I can take the pressure. I can take the heat. I don't care if they hate me.
It doesn't bother me at all, because the real world consequences of being disliked
I've suffered
And I'm still currently suffering at the maximum level.
being disliked to the point they throw you in jail, take all your money away, ostracized by the mainstream media, attempting to get you
effectively assassinated by riling up psychopaths, trying to drag in your family and get them damaged and get them canceled and get their lives ruined.
I'm at maximum pain threshold. If the volume's at the top, I don't have to fear them turning it up. So I may as well sit and tell the truth now. Right? The worst they can do to me is throw me back in jail.
And once again, that's fine.
And it's interesting because you're absolutely right about it's all about context.
and nuances and a lot of people play semantics games. They'll take a piece of what you say, turn it into a narrative. But if you think about it just to kind of like zoom out and get philosophical,
Words are social constructs, right?
It's a social construct from society to society. So it's easy to group all of the nuances of what you say.
into misogynist
You know, and instantly a lot of wisdom gets thrown under that. Well, the people who say misogynist don't even know what it means.
Hmm?
The people who say misogynist don't even know what misogynistic means most of the time. Probably can't even spell it. Of course. So they're just matrix minded. I find it so interesting.
When I was first arrested and they said, Andrew Tate, human trafficker, BBC, blah, blah, blah.
I find it so interesting that there are people out there which will so instantly adopt a world view and attach emotional reaction and emotional investment to that world view with no proof whatsoever. Or digging in to understand it. Yeah, absolutely. So I was arrested and everyone said Andrew's a human trafficker. BBC, Andrew Tate arrested human trafficking, et cetera. Within two minutes there are people on Instagram, don't know who these people are, saying, "He's a human trafficker. He's a terrible person." I haven't been convicted.
They've not seen a picture or a video or heard a witness statement because the victims don't exist.
They've seen nothing but a headline.
They are now prepared to die on that hill.
They're sitting there arguing it emotionally, like they truly believe it in their heart. - Keyboard warriors.
How, why do you even believe it?
Why do you, firstly, why do you even care? Secondly, why do you even believe it? You've seen no evidence. You've seen nothing, you've just seen a headline. These people, you could print the sky is green.
and they'd sit there and start arguing about it. You could say something as stupid, let me think of something as stupid as possible.
Men can get pregnant.
You could start saying that garbage, and there are people who would begin to repeat it because they are told it. And they'll have an emotional investment in this worldview, despite the fact that
It's absolute garbage and everybody knows it's not true. Isn't that scary? Because that's how the worst things on life and the worst things that have ever happened in the world happen.
If you look at an ethnic genocide,
And let's ignore the one that's currently ongoing.
which is...
Very saddening.
Palestine, Israel. Absolutely.
because there is a genocide.
But you could take two random tribes in some random country
And if you can say to your people, that tribe, they're all evil.
without showing any proof, without giving any true reasoning, just because you said it. And those people will become emotional about what you've said. You can now inspire your tribe to murder the others.
That's how bad things happen.
The people who pretend to be virtuous, the ones who call me misogynistic, the ones who sit there and say, he's a human trafficker, they're the ones who are so easily emotionally manipulated. Those are the ones who always end up doing the worst things in the world.
in history. Those are the bad people. The good people sit and say, wait, OK, the BBC said this.
But the BBC lie.
And all they've ever done is lie.
Where is the evidence? Show me. Is he convicted? Where's the court case? Where's the victims? Is there anything here? Yeah, people don't even think that critically.
It's crazy. Instead of innocent until proving guilty, they flipped it on you. Guilty until proven innocent. And it's not even just about me. It's just about all the narratives in the world today. The fact that they can still
after lying to us so many times, print something.
And people will instantly just believe it and start repeating it and emotionally defending it. It's the emotionality that fears me.
if the people who were defending it were saying well the mainstream media said this so perhaps we should investigate it quite logically it wouldn't i wouldn't be so afraid what what makes me scared is that people
will become emotionally invested instantly and prepared to defend it with their emotions, and they'll be angry if you don't believe it also. - With zero context, zero evidence, zero anything. - Because those are the people that do the most heinous things.
COVID was based on people like that.
The vaccine was based on people like that. There were people calling for you to not be able to leave your house, for you to be put in prison if you don't get a vaccine. Curfews. Curfew. There was people calling for you to have your life ruined if you don't get a vaccine. And these same people now haven't even introspected and worked out that they were fooled and psyoped, are now continuing to believe in psyops and repeat them.
These are dangerous people. They are agents of the matrix in and of themselves. And they're not sitting there going, "I'm a bad person."
I am being fooled. I'm a weapon of war against humanity and freedom and everything beautiful about life.
Instead, they're sitting there saying, I know the PPC, he's even a trafficker. It's crazy.
So that's why I don't prescribe to any of these
insults or any of these
brackets they try and put me in, the parameters of misogyny or the parameters of homophobia, I don't prescribe to it because the kind of people who even use those words,
are just people who can be weaponized into false virtues to attack anyone who speaks against the matrix in the first place. And what I love, too, is that you give a lot of nuance. And it's really interesting because if people see a one minute clip, it's very different than when they hear you elaborate, right? They hear a microcosm. You know, for example,
with the homosexuality thing. Like I love that you said earlier, like I don't have a problem with that, I'm cool with it.
On the microcosm, you know, that's one thing. But your philosophy is more about at scale society. What it does your opinions on that. But they take it. Well, how are you?
attacking me for it, right? So it's the frame control that people have. I'm curious, what do you say to people? Because I've heard this so many times about you.
is that a lot of people agree with a lot of your philosophies, right, on a global scale,
But they say, you know, the thing about Tate is that his style is a little aggressive. And that's the issue I have. And I think what he's saying is good. But I think the level of intensity or the animation or the passion he communicates with is, you know, the
intense and I don't like the way he communicates his message. What are your thoughts to people who say that they like your message but your delivery is a little intense.
Yeah, they-- And they judge the delivery more so than the message, the nuances, right?
It's very interesting to me that we've also reached a stage of society where men
being animated or passionate.
is somehow seen as
The passionate few. Yeah, but-- so let's analyze what you just said.
Mm-hmm.
I'm person X.
I like what Andrew says. I believe what he says is true. I believe what he says can benefit people. He's helped me.
And I like his worldview, and I think he's a good person.
but he said it loud.
.
But that's where we're reaching now. We're reaching such a level of softness in society that people don't like the way I say things because it comes across too aggressive.
I understand what they're trying to say, but what they're truly doing is broadcasting their ineptitude and their...
Immaturity. If you told me something which was profound and I agreed with it, I wouldn't really care how you said it so much.
The delivery,
vehicle I have opted to use
I've chosen because it's the most effective. And I believe that men should
be as competent as possible meaning if this is the most effective way for me to get my message across this is how it should be done and also i don't see why men need to be meek and timid all the time
Who told men to be meek and timid all of the time? Why can't a man sit there and say, "No, I believe this?"
These clowns will stand in a stadium and scream at the top of their voice for a sports team who don't give a shit about them. To kick a ball in the net. To kick a ball in the net.
But they don't think that a man should be animated when discussing the truths of the world, or the dynamics he should have with his wife, or how his children should be raised.
I believe what I say, and I'm gonna express the emotions I feel as I say it.
And if you are such a stupid person, you can't listen to the message without getting offended by how it's said, well then perhaps you're already too far gone and you're too broken. That's fine. You're just going to have to go and stay a dummy and stay an idiot. And one of the best things about being at the opera echelons is that,
I don't really need, I guess you do break the paradigm and you break the final wall. And I kind of feel like I've reached a point now where I don't need people to agree with me. I don't care if everybody watches this and doesn't agree with me anymore. It doesn't affect my life. It doesn't matter. I don't need to say things people want to hear to get big.
I don't need to say things people want to hear to get paid.
I can just say what I truly believe and what I truly think. And I think we need to bring back passion.
in general. I think men should be passionate about what they think.
Feminists are passionate, aren't they? That's why the show's called The Passionate Few. Well, absolutely. Have you ever heard anyone tell a woman off or a feminist off for being too passionate?
about what she says or how she says it or being too emotional about how she says it?
It's just another,
I feel like it's a cope. I kind of feel like there's a lot of people, someone who would say that,
that I agree with Andrew, but I don't like the way he says it. I think what they're really trying to do is put a shield over themselves. I don't think they're man enough to sit there and say, I agree with Andrew Tate.
- To stand on it. - Yeah, to stand on it. I agree with Andrew Tate.
because it's smoke.
I agree with Andrew Tape, you know, the way he says some things.
And then someone will come back. You agree with Andrew Tate? Well, you know, the way he says things is wrong. And they're just trying to set up their escape route in advance because they're a coward. They do that with Trump, too.
A lot of people say that about President Trump. I bet they do. Yeah, of course they do. So it's just cowardice.
And
I've yet to meet anyone who says that to me in person, and I'm sure these people do exist, and they're going to have to sit in their life and
half believe and half commit to things.
I don't know how you're going to
I don't know how you expect as a man to get anywhere in life if you have committed to anything anyway. You have to be the kind of person who constantly and fully, endlessly commits with absolute devotion. All in. You have to be all in.
So if you're going to sit there and agree with everything I say or anyone says,
and then be too afraid to even admit that. - Yeah. - Well then you have a much deeper problem.
Yeah. And to zoom in on it, there's something I heard super interesting, and that's related to IQ. You know, like people talk about IQ tests or how they measure intelligence.
And what's interesting is they said that, you know, people hear the word intelligence, maturity, understanding.
But if you zoom in, what's really interesting is that intelligence is measured by an individual's ability to make refined distinctions about a set of data, right?
refined distinctions. So for example, to make the point clear, a cup of water.
this is a cup of water. A more intelligent person would say this is a glass with X amount of water. A more intelligent person would say this is this type of glass with this amount of water that's this tall.
that's you know shaped in this particular way and so it's about the nuances and having the mental
ability to understand those are fine distinctions. And I think society by and large just wants the quickest label.
and they don't want those distinctions because those distinctions force them to confront themselves and confront truths that society doesn't want you to because the more vague you are,
the more society can control the frame of what it is. Oh, absolutely.
And also people don't understand that when you're doing podcasts or talking on the internet or you're talking about subjects in general, you don't have time to.
cater for every possible eventuality. I sit here and I say men are physically stronger than women. And often feminists will then come with exceptions to the rule. I don't have time to say,
Men are physically stronger than women, except for this woman, this woman, this woman, or in this particular tribe or this particular country or this subset of data.
You can't even communicate that way. - You'll spend your whole time being politically correct and message the message in the process. - Absolutely. And my only goal as I continue,
is to become more abrasive.
and more offensive. So if anyone's upset with me so far, they have a rude awakening coming. Because my only goal, especially once I beat this matrix attack, is to be worse than ever before.
I enjoy it. It's fun.
Yeah, more passionate. Yeah, because there's ways you can say things which are deliberately abrasive. And sometimes, depending on who I'm discussing and who I'm arguing with,
or who I'm debating with at the time, I might choose to be deliberately abrasive. I can say men are physically stronger than women. I can say females are weak.
I can say things which are deliberately designed to be abrasive at the time. And sometimes I'll do that because I find it entertaining. And it doesn't mean you don't love women or respect women or see the value in it.
I find it crazy that there's anyone out there who sits and thinks, I wake up and I hate women.
Mm-hmm.
I would argue that these male feminists, these weirdos, they hate women more because they're the ones who are constantly rejected by women.
Like, why would I hate women? I've had no negative interactions with women.
My life doesn't
have any current negative interactions with women. I have a happy relationship with women. I have children with women. I have happy like I don't understand this worldview where you're going to wake up and say, Andrew hates women. Why?
because I said that men are physically stronger and we should protect them.
because I think that men are better at certain things and women are better at certain things. I don't even think they truly believe it.
They either say it deliberately because it's weaponized virtue, or they're just repeating what they heard.
And a lot of people just repeat what they heard, as we discussed earlier, they don't have any true basis for any of these things.
There are
Rappers who sing about bitches and hoes, no one says they hate women. Yeah, people sing along to the songs. In the club, yeah, exactly. No problem. It's funny, you see that in Western society. Obviously, throughout the years, it's gotten progressively worse.
But the same woman that'll argue, "Oh my God," and not want to hear the philosophies and nuances,
has no problem singing along to the song about, you know, for example, The Weeknd, cheating on, you know, cheating on multiple-- and they sing along and they dance to it and they love it. But the second it's communicated with nuanced intellectualism, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, you got to draw the line somewhere. Don't you think it's scary that there's so many people going through life who literally don't think?
Yeah, limited depth. They don't think about anything. Yeah, surface level. They don't go deep. They go wide, not deep.
And these are the people who are weaponized against humanity as a whole.
You talk about the Matrix movie and they say anyone who's not unplugged can become an agent at any time. That's absolutely true.
There are people who are not unplugged from the matrix who can morph into an agent in real time. You'll watch them do it, just like in the movie where they change and they become an agent. If you mention certain subjects to certain people, you'll see their whole face instantly change and they start repeating CNN. Yeah.
They become an agent.
for the matrix. And it's like they, I don't know if it's a fear mechanism,
where they're just afraid to hold a view which is counter to the narrative of the society they live under or if it's
trained into them from a very young age through
brutal conformity of the mediocrity of their parents. I'm not sure what it is, but it's kind of scary that there's so many
people out here in the world who literally just do not think
Mm-hmm.
I try very hard now that I'm successful to avoid these people.
And I do a pretty good job.
of never interacting with them ever outside of the internet.
But,
I don't know. I've tried to imagine myself living a life like them.
Like, what is the life now, if you wake up and you're a man,
And you do what
you're supposed to do.
You do what you're told to do.
What is your life?
You wake up.
You go to school.
You go to college, you get in debt. You go to university, you get in debt. You get a job.
You find a woman.
She is, of course, equal to you in every way.
So she's some type of feminist.
At the same time, you got to open the door for them, be a gentleman, take care of them. But we're equal. Well, yeah, you're supposed to. But..
I don't know if you'd even have the Constitution to do those things. You're probably going 50-50 on the bills, which means she doesn't
respect you.
properly anyway, not truthfully because you're not a provider to her. Have you ever gotten 50/50 on a bill with a woman? Absolutely never. I never would, no.
I'm just imagining the man's life who's living the way he's supposed to live, and it just sounds dire.
It sounds desperate and miserable.
You're in debt.
You have a wife,
who
Maybe you can convince to have one kid.
And then eventually you're going to end up divorced, and you're going to be sad and lonely and miserable. And of course, it's all your fault because you didn't respect her feelings enough. You did something wrong at some point.
and you're working away at your slave job, and perhaps you'll be able to retire when you're 77.
And it just sounds like destitution.
So,
If the path that the matrix has laid out for the average man is so
brutally terrifying. I'm not sure why anybody is adopting any of the thinking that the matrix wants them to have.
You can see as a man what the matrix wants you to become and the life they want you to live. So you should have enough brain to sit and say, well, I don't want any of that.
So if I don't want any of it, why do I even want to adopt part of it or half of it? Why do you want to adopt any of their thinking if it's all just based towards
reducing your masculine appearance to the point where you'll accept that. A man won't accept a sexless marriage where his woman doesn't respect him. A man won't accept being in debt his whole life and not having financial freedom. A man won't accept being mocked and not respected or not being allowed to say his opinion in the workplace because he'll get fired. A man won't accept these things.
So the only way they get you to accept these things is to destroy your baseline masculinity in the first place.
because then you're not man anymore. You're a neutered version of a man.
And you'll sit there and you'll accept this subpar reality.
Which is why they're attacking masculinity so heavily, so they can get you to adopt and agree with this garbage life they've laid out for you.
All of it is terrifying. I find it remarkable that anybody believes any of this.
David Plylar: And it's really interesting you say a lot of this, and early on you mentioned it, you know, it's like,
The more successful you become, the more it gives you the freedom to communicate your narrative because you're not at the mercy of anybody else.
And I don't know if I've ever heard this question asked you before,
you know,
I guess it's a two-part question. Number one,
Do you find that the more successful you became as you made your first million, 10 million and beyond,
that your confidence to communicate these views grew,
And the second part of it,
is has Andrew Tate ever had a job?
Oh yeah, I've had drugs. What were your first jobs? Walk people down that lane. I'm not a rich guy.
I'm just a poor guy with lots of money. I am -- No, but I mean that. I've had jobs. I started off my first job, I was carrying boxes of
Fish. How old were you?
That was your first job? Yeah, there were like 25 kilo boxes of fish with ice in them and I was carrying them from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. in a fish market. That was my first job.
I've worked in sales. I was an IT technician at my school. No way. Yeah, I've done loads of things. Andrew Tate was on sales calls. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I've done loads of different jobs.
And I'm very glad I grew up in the real world because I think that there's no light without dark and if you're born rich or you're born privileged you're going to have a particularly unique experience of misery because
You're not going to be truly happy. You're not going to understand why.
And no one's gonna ever feel sorry for you or understand it, because of course you're from a privileged background, you're living this great life.
But you need to have had bad things happen to you for you to appreciate any of the good things you're ever going to have.
In fact, when my brother and I talk, often
We talk about the stories from the bad days. Our best stories, our happiest memories, are when we were completely broke.
It's kind of funny how the good old days are constantly being lived and you don't appreciate them till afterwards.
But yeah, I've worked a bunch of normal jobs. I've lived a very normal life until I reached the highest echelon of
finances and I guess that's where you learn all the lessons on the way where you start from a single mother
household on government housing all the way to the top
to having companies worth billions of dollars and you pass through all the different stages along the way.
And you see all the different attitudes of the people as you go through it.
What were some of the other jobs, if you don't mind me asking, that you had? Fish, sales?
So yeah, I worked in the fish market for a while, which was fun, but it was very physically intensive. And I was training at the time. I wanted to become a kickboxing world champion. So I decided to get an easier job.
I got a job as an IT technician at my old school.
I was 17 then. You went to college? No, I did go to college. I went to college in England. But I'm not sure how it matches up with the American educational system. So, I finished high school at 16.
I went to college 17 and 18. When I was 18 and I finished college, I went back to my old high school and worked as an IT technician, but I got fired for sleeping with the doctor.
one of the students
Was she hot? She was very hot. She was 16. I was 18.
And then they took
I got fired from there.
And then I went and got a sales job
What was I selling?
Real estate.
No, it wasn't real estate. It was
I say selling. It wasn't selling. But they have these charities. You get people to sign up to charity, but really it's a commission-only sales job. I tried that for a while. I worked for this agency which would get different
contracts in and we try and sell different things. I did sales jobs for a while. How did sales sharpen you? Because one of the common denominators, some of the most successful people in the world has always been sales. I did door to door sales. I used to work selling solar. I later worked at Tesla.
And it was always in sales. And it sharpens you to a whole new level. I think the best sales people in the world are double glazing sales.
What is that?
windows double glazing salesman. - Why is that? - I think that must be the hardest sales job.
because
if you sell cars for example somebody turns up on the car lot
And they've turned up at the Audi dealership because they have a degree of respect for the Audi brand.
and they maybe want an Audi.
and you have to convince them it's better than the BMW, and make sure they can afford it, and sell them the Audi. Okay, fine. But if you're going to sell somebody Windows,
They don't have any, they don't, they already have windows in their house. You're not turning up to some crack then with no windows. So first thing you have to make them want the windows. That's the first thing you have to do. You unsolicitedly knock on someone's door and say, I'm here to give you windows. And they're going to say, I have windows, I don't want windows.
And then you're going to sit there and convince them that they need Windows. And then once you've convinced them of that, you have to convince them to choose you over all your competitors.
and spend thousands and thousands of dollars, $20,000 or $30,000 replacing plastic and glass
that they already had in their walls. I think that'd be a very hard job to do.
That would make you a very good salesman.
But life is sales in general, right? You have to be able to make people understand
the way you think. And I think that's all sales effectively is. It's having thoughts and being able to project them in a way that people follow them logically and want to agree with you or are inclined to agree with you at the end.
So I think life is sales. Getting a girl to fall in love with you to a degree is sales. And convincing a judge you're innocent is sales.
and of course sales is sales so it certainly does sharpen you it's extremely important
I don't know how
Thank you.
Thank you.
Where do you think.. I mean, we look at A.I. and all these things and how the world's changed and how people buy things online now. But back 20 years ago, et cetera, sales was probably one of the most important jobs you could have because everything was sales. Every single company had a sales department and the top salesman was the big dog and he drove the fast car. And that's how it always was. I don't know what solar is like but I even knew some guys who work for double glazing who were driving very nice cars. Yeah, same thing. I remember there was guys at the time making..
I used to knock 100 doors a day in solar, 100 percent commission. There is nothing that builds your character. In my opinion and my experience, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that.
Similar, I guess, similar to window gazing is because people already have electricity. They're already fine.
you're knocking in the hot heat on doors with your brothers in battle, you know, on the streets, knocking on doors.
to sell people who don't want you there, $30,000 solar systems.
who got to get it installed, who got to get this, who got to go through the whole process. They don't want you there.
You're constantly, you knock on a door, people, you know, you see people through the people, they close it, people in the window, you hear people like don't answer, you know. Yeah. And it builds tremendous character and resilience. We have to get used to being rejected.
Yeah, hundreds and hundreds of times over. It builds character. And it's amazing how if you start a sales job and you're rejected at the beginning, it's such a big deal. But after a while, the rejection just doesn't sting anymore.
Yeah. Which perhaps answers back earlier when we were talking about my confidence to sit here and say things that get me in trouble. It just doesn't sting anymore.
This will come out and the BBC will type up something about what I said and how bad of a person I am and I won't care. It just doesn't matter anymore.
So I'm that guy now. I just keep knocking at the door of fate. I keep knocking at the door waiting for
them to eventually grab me and throw me in the cell. So we'll see how it goes. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. Did you have and share these opinions, like, early on as confidently when you had these jobs coming up and it's just now the world's getting to hear it? Or as you became more successful, did you kind of get a little more-- I don't think the world was as crazy back then as it is now. Like, the things I've even said on this podcast, which will be deemed crazy or outlandish, I think if you were to get an average masculine team of men together, a sales team from 10 years ago and said that men sometimes cheat, everyone will, "Yeah."
What are you even talking about?
Why did you even say that as if it's controversial? I don't think I'm saying anything extreme. I think the world's just lost its mind.
I truly believe that everything I say most people used to say and agreed ten or fifteen years ago.
And now when I say men can't get pregnant, I'm somehow some sort of extremist.
Who was saying men could get pregnant 10 years ago?
Who? Name one single person.
The world's lost its mind, not me.
I just refuse to bend and cower and go along with them.
which goes back to one of the very first questions you asked me about how
I resisted
societal
Thank you.
pressures from a very young age because I was always ostracized and I was to a degree I was outcast because of my
changing countries so young.
Mm-hmm.
I refuse to bend with the will of society. I'm an unreasonable person, you could say. And for that reason, I'm going to continue to say the things I know which are true.
I love that.
I'm gonna take a little break, 'cause I gotta use the restroom too. Excellent point. Now, switching gears a little bit, you know, everyone knows about the famous story of you getting thrown
in jail. Yes. Talk to me about that story. Did you see it coming? Were you warned?
Or was it just...
Boom. Like that, one day everything changes. Talk to me about the day you went to jail. I knew they were going to try and put me in jail for something.
I didn't know it was going to be as insane and crazy as it was.
I had prepared for it the best I could.
But I wasn't level for, I wasn't ready for the level of Matrix attack.
subject to
I was hit with an Interpol Red Warning. Like, I was hit with number one terrorist-level attack.
Mm-hmm.
which is very interesting.
But yes, I was in Dubai.
Life was relatively good. Life was too good. I said to Tristan, life is too good. Something is gonna go wrong.
He didn't actually agree with me. When we got to jail, he understood I was right. But we were sitting, I remember...
We were sitting,
We have this mansion.
and we had haggled for this mansion. This mansion was, I think it was $100,000 a week.
to rent.
and we rented it and then some guy came and offered 150 and then we offered 200
And in the end, we ended up paying $250,000 a week
for this mansion. So a million dollars a month. Yeah. So we had this mansion on the Palm.
Because whoever this other person was,
was trying to get it off us and
my brother being my brother had found these i don't know 20 girls from god knows where and they're all in the pool and we had our staff and our cigars and our shisha and our masseuses and my bugatti's outside and i bought a mclaren and a ferrari just because i was bored and we're in dubai and everything is going perfectly well and i said tristan
something bad has to happen soon.
He goes, "Why?" I was like, "Look at this.
Look where we are. Who are these girls? What are their names? Like, everything is too good. Something has to go wrong. That's just how life works.
He's like, what could it be? I was like, well, what's the worst case scenario? And the worst case scenario is that one of us
dies or gets in trouble. So we agreed. It's like, okay, for the next
six months or so. We don't go anywhere alone.
You go bathroom, I go bathroom. You go restaurant, I go restaurant. We roll as a team permanently. We're like, okay, good. Ride or die. Ride or die. So we had decided something bad was going to happen. And I had already told many podcasts before that and made it clear that you get three chances and the second chance has put you in jail. And I was like, they're going to try and put us in jail.
But how can they do it?
I don't take drugs.
At this point, I stopped drinking. Had you ever taken drugs?
Never in my life. I've never tried a drug in my life. - Never smoked weed. - Never even tried weed.
Never. No interest. No, I know somebody that's going to sit and say caffeine and nicotine are drugs. Correct.
technically, but I've never tried any illegal substance in my life. Never tried steroids, none of them.
So I've never tried drugs. I've always been-- No test. Nothing.
I've always been firmly anti-drugs.
Why? That's a good question. Maybe it was the D.A.R.E. officer. I don't know what it is. But.. I don't know. I've always been super anti-drugs. I just felt like..
If I try the drug and I like it,
I now want the drug, which has to be bad for my life. And if I try the drug and I don't like it, I'll wish I never tried the drug. So why try it? So I just never tried it. Plus, I was a professional athlete for so long. And when you get to a certain age,
having never done drugs.
I got to 31 or 32 and I retired and I never tried drugs. Do I really need to start now?
Plus,
Some of the drugs, speaking as somebody who's a complete layman to these things, I don't know drugs.
But some of the drugs look semi appealing, but some of them really don't. Like cocaine, I look at and I think, okay,
If that gives you confidence and makes you feel hyper and happy, I can understand why that's attractive. But everyone I know who's ever done cocaine acted like an idiot, and I didn't want to be an idiot, so I've never been tempted by cocaine. And then MDMA or whatever these other ones are, ketamine or whatever.
You
just lose your mind and jump up and down and sweat a bunch. That doesn't look fun to me either. - Right. - Weed is the least appealing of all, because people say, "Oh, but it's only weed." But why would you want a drug that makes you just want to sit and watch TV and eat food?
I could do that without drugs. I could be a lazy idiot without drugs just fine.
I mean, magic mushrooms,
Okay, I think anyone with a brain would sit and go, the idea of taking a mushroom and the whole room changing would be kind of cool. But I still refuse to do it.
But the drugs that most people take, I don't even understand why they take them. Most people have such terrible choice in life, such terrible choices.
Even the drugs they choose to use are crap. I don't get it. Magic mushrooms enter an alternate reality, fine.
but to smoke weed just to eat.
Popeye's delivery.
and watch tv i do not understand so i've never been tempted by drugs never did it so i couldn't understand how they were going to put us in jail but i knew it was coming we left london flew to flew to england i did piers morgan called him an idiot
Left London, as he is.
Left London and I was deciding do I go from London directly to Dubai or do I come back here to pack a suitcase? And I flew back to Romania to pack a suitcase. I was here for eight hours.
Call Greta of Thunberg stupid.
with the pizza and then got picked up in the morning. My jet was on the runway, fueled, and the police picked me up about an hour before I was supposed to go to the airport. So they had been intending on arresting me for a while, I understand. What time was it that they came and got you? Five in the morning.
Were you sleeping? I was asleep. And you know when..
I have armed security at the house.
And when I heard my door being busted,
my instant reaction after being woke up when i heard my door getting busted open it was like they've killed my guards
because I didn't know if it was the police or the other team. Right. And when they...
I got my weapon and they bust in the door. And obviously there's a bunch of them. They're all masked up with shotguns, et cetera. When I first saw the police, it was genuine relief.
I thought it could have been the
I mean, I'd rather the police than crazy Albanians. Right. I really thought it might be the other team. So when I first saw the police, I was like,
"Thank God it's you. What do you want?"
They're like, oh, get on the ground. I'm like, yeah, I'll get on the ground, whatever. What do you want? And then I worked out I was going to jail for human trafficking and all this insanity. And I've told this story a bunch of times.
I don't think I took it that seriously for the first
And Tristan was there with you. Tristan was with me. When we first went to jail, we were separate. But during the arresting process, when they were searching our house and stealing all of our stuff and taking our cars and taking all our diamond watches and everything, my brother and I just kept looking at each other like, "What's that?"
Like what is going, this is, not this is some sort of mistake, but this is garbage. We'll clear it up quickly.
Yeah. And we learned obviously that wasn't the case and they dragged us to jail and they threw us in separate jail cells. And because of the time of year it was,
It was just before New Year's, so the translators weren't working. So all the paperwork was in Romania, and I didn't even know why I was in jail.
I just knew I was in jail for human trafficking. I didn't know who, I didn't know when, I didn't know anything for almost a whole full week. 'Til I found out the true insanity that
They had stuck on me. And I knew it was a matrix attack.
But,
I guess to this day, even now, I'm still kind of impressed how they've managed to
construct such a garbage narrative about trying to
out of me and my brother telling
people we know what time to do TikTok to be popular.
I mean, that's crazy. But that's how the matrix operates, right? Right. And they didn't even show you. I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the paperwork when you went to jail was like not even in English. Oh, it's all it's all in Romanian. Yeah. So they intentionally did it in a way to minimize your ability. Well, the truth is this. I don't think most people at home understand, especially if you're a man, that all men are guilty all of the time.
Every man in this room is guilty of a sexual crime.
Because the sexual crimes are now so subjective,
And they're so--
open to interpretation that if you upset the government and they want to attack you, they will put you in jail for one of those crimes because it damages your reputation. And a lot of these crimes are so subjective that it's, you know, it's not a crime.
impossible to even quantify what they are anymore.
They can call you emotionally coercive.
What does that mean?
That means you're nice to a girl.
so that she does something for you. So if you say, "Please, baby, can you make me a coffee?"
You were emotionally coercive.
I mean, that's what they could do if they wanted to. And when you understand that they used the process as a punishment, I say this to people, and they say, "Oh, but they can't put you in jail for asking your wife to make you a coffee."
They probably won't put you in jail with that, but they will accuse you of being emotionally coercive. They will arrest you. They will put you in the media. They will slander your name. They will make you pay millions of dollars of legal fees. They will make you waste years of your life on bail. And then you get to walk.
Oh, great. Lucky you. The damage has been done. The process is the punishment. And any man who's living any type of life now in the world doesn't understand that he's permanently guilty of sexual crimes because all of these things now have been...
extrapolated to subjectivity,
And women are living in a society where they have all the power but no responsibility at all for their own actions. That a woman can go through life and use her own agency to make her own adult decisions.
But if she regrets those decisions years later, she can find a man to blame, and that man's going to get wrecked.
You see it endlessly. Mia Khalifa did porn, had sex with hundreds of men,
made a bunch of money.
And now that she regrets doing porn,
She blames her manager for tricking her into doing porn.
And now it's a man's fault somehow. And that's the world we live in.
But I,
I'll be honest, I'm a little bit mad at myself for not seeing it coming. Because before they hit me with this matrix attack, I really did consider understanding they're going to try and put me in jail, that they're going to try and attack me with sexual crimes of some sort. But I couldn't work out how they were going to do it.
And then they made up the absolute garbage they did. Their intention was to put me in jail, drum up a real case knowing that their initial case was garbage. And they failed to do that. They called 2,000 women who knew me and none of them said anything bad about me. And it's all failed.
forced to proceed with their first initial accusation is that I told girls what hours to do TikTok. And here we are in the middle of the judicial process with it being thrown away little by little.
But the process is to punishment. I've still been in jail for three entire months in a Romanian dungeon. I was still locked in my house for five months.
I still haven't seen my cars or my diamonds or my gold.
or my bank accounts ever since. - How many cars did they seize?
16 I think.
which is upsetting because it's almost
It's almost 20% of my collection.
Very upsetting. Upsetting. How many cars total? I have 59 now.
59. 50. No, sorry. I had 16.
And now I have none.
Hmm.
Let me get that correct for the cameras.
But yeah, so the process itself is the punishment. You still spend millions and millions of dollars in legal fees.
They don't care.
They don't care if you're innocent or guilty. They have no interest in that. Their goal is to teach you a lesson and to punish you.
Mm-hmm.
I think anyone at home who doesn't agree with the following statement is an idiot. If I wasn't so monumentally famous, this wouldn't have happened to me.
This is a simple statement. If I wasn't so well known, there is 0% chance the Romanian state would have tried to make an example
of me
via proxy
by putting me in jail for telling people what time to do TikTok.
They did it because I am famous, proving in and of itself that it's not about law and order. It's about damaging my influence because it's a matrix attack.
That's all it's about.
And anyone who thinks that the judicial system at the highest levels has anything to do with justice
is again a fool because it isn't. It's about damaging influence and it's a big theater show.
I think there's another really famous person
who's going through a bunch of garbage legal cases right now. What's his name?
He was president or something.
I can't remember. But he's being hit with endless garbage. And they're just wrecking him time and time again. Is that about law? Right before the election. Yeah. Interesting. Is that about law? Is that about what's right and wrong? No. It's about damaging a person's influence.
The judicial system is a weapon. The goal of a judicial system is to preserve
a degree of sanctity amongst the populace and to make sure that certain narratives are enforced amongst the population so the whole point of a judicial system is that people wake up underneath that system and feel safe
or believe in the government,
or don't act completely crazy because of the law law and order
So by extension, if you have people at the top who are disrupting the narrative and causing disruption to the population by making people think things they're not supposed to think or say things they're not supposed to say,
It is the job of the legal system.
to stop those people.
Right? For the same reason you wouldn't allow somebody to
"Star Occult," which,
had heinous intentions,
You don't want an influential person to stand up and talk against your narratives
which you're trying to instill
to
poison the minds of the children
of the people who live inside of your country. Now, I know what they're doing is evil. We're not talking about right and wrong here. We're talking about the goal of the legal system. The goal of the legal system is to preserve the government's control and society's functioning. That's the whole point of it.
So if they're trying to do evil things and I'm talking against it, even though I'm in the right,
It is the legal system's job to deal with me.
That's the whole point in the legal system. To make people... The legal system is supposed to make you act.
HOW THEY WANT YOU TO ACT.
Don't speed.
Don't kill.
Cool, we all agree with those two. We don't agree with the don't talk, don't think part.
But they want you to do all of it.
And if you don't, you're punished with the legal system. So anyone who sits and says, "Oh, it's about law," is a fool, because that's not the-- that's not what it's about at the top.
It's about damaging your influence. Because if you have a massive amount of influence, you're a threat to them. You're a threat to their narratives. You're a threat to the information war.
And that's what we're living in. We're living in an information war.
So two quick questions as it relates to the day you get thrown in prison.
Obviously when the cops bust down the door,
It's you and Tristan there.
Do you remember the last thing you told Tristan or the last like exchange? It wasn't just me and Tristan.
There was also
some girls in the house.
And they busted in for human trafficking.
There's girls in the house, my brother's girlfriend, my girlfriend, whatever, they're in the house with us.
They didn't ask the girls how they are. They didn't say, "Girls, do you need help?"
They didn't try and take the girls away, nothing. You know the first thing they said to me?
Where's the Bugatti?
First words they said to me. No way. I swear to God. Because their intention was to make an example of me, and that was symbolic of my success. At the time, the Bugatti was everywhere, so they wanted to put it on a truck and say, ha-ha, we took it off him.
If they cared about human trafficking, why didn't they ask the girls how they were?
Why did they drag girls from bed and put them in handcuffs? By their hair?
Why beat a bunch of women up? I thought we're worried about women here. I thought I'm a misogynist. It's human trafficking. Now you've got a bunch of women and you're hurting them.
whole thing's garbage whole thing's garbage they knew it was garbage everybody knows it's garbage the intention was pure the intention was to take all my stuff make an example of me put the baguette on a trailer put it all over the news ha ha no one's more powerful than the government don't talk against the state throw me in jail once i'm in jail call everyone who knows me drum up a real case and screw me over they failed at the last part of that drum up a real case their current case isn't a case they know it's not a case and they're forced to see it through now because they couldn't find anything else
Which is also why it's so important that you live pure if you're going to talk against authority because they're going to come for you.
And they're going to come for you for everything you've ever done. Every woman you've ever slept with, every loan you've ever taken, every sniff of cocaine you thought nobody would know about, which is on some CCTV camera you didn't spot.
All of it is gonna come out, all of it. So next time you're sitting there thinking, I wanna have an opinion, but at the same time, I wanna do these haram things or do these bad things, and no one's gonna know, they are gonna know.
That's why it's so important you live pure. I'm sure they're very, very disappointed that they didn't find the things they were looking for on me.
And anyone who attacks me and my character also,
isn't intelligent enough to understand that I've been...
examined by multiple federal agencies at the highest possible level for over three or four years and what have they found?
Me making misogynistic jokes on YouTube?
Oh, well.
"Throw me in jail." They didn't find anything weird. They didn't find any pedophilia on my laptop. Didn't find any drugs in my house. Nothing. What did they find? Andrew said women can't park.
- Oh, well, he should go to jail.
And there's people so stupid that they'll buy into that narrative. No one has a brain enough to sit there and go, "They've hit this guy."
England's tried, America's tried, Romania's now trying. They've gone through his entire life, all of his electronics, they've been spying on him for years, everything he says, all of it. And what they found is old YouTube videos.
That's the open and shut case that I'm a bad guy.
I would argue if you were to get most men on the street and go through their lives and find all their deepest, darkest secrets, you'd find a lot worse.
than what I've done.
Maybe not even worse legally, but worse reputationally.
You'd find him begging for some woman to take him back. You'd find him with a tranny in Thailand. Something weird. What have they found on me?
Nothing.
And there's still idiots out there who don't understand that.
So the legal system's job is to keep society functioning. And if they want society to function,
with everybody afraid to talk and homosexuals in charge.
and you have to sit there and allow them to sign up your kids.
Well, then I am a target of the legal system, because I'm against their narratives.
I'm a fugitive, I'm a thought criminal.
The reason they hate me so much is because my influence is massive. Your ability to talk freely is directly correlated
to your insignificance. A lot of people sit and say, "Oh, we live in a free country. You can say what you want." Well, you can because no one listens.
Hmm. Interesting. Well, start talking large enough for people to listen to you and you'll realize that you're not allowed to do what you want.
And this whole guise of freedom we live under,
is a scam anyway none of it's real
You're free to do the unimportant things.
Sure, you're free to chop your balls off.
Congratulations.
but you're not allowed to free, you're not free to keep them.
You're not free to keep your balls to stand up for what you believe in and protect your family.
You're not free to do that, but you're free to chop them off, which is why they come along and say, oh, look, we're a free society. You can chop your balls off. Say, well, I don't want to do that. I want to keep them. Thank you very much. I don't want you to try and convince my son to do it either.
Then you're gonna realize that
It's all a scam.
We live in a fish tank.
and you can swim around
and the walls are glass.
So you don't really understand you're in a jail because it's glass walls and you can see outside of the glass and you see all this big, beautiful room and you think everything's fine. But if you try and go too far, you start bumping up against the glass wall.
You start to go too far, all of a sudden your banks don't work.
All of a sudden you're dangerous for any service provider to allow. I'm banned from Uber.
They think I'm gonna, what, get an Uber and convince the driver? What am I gonna do? Hey, bro, the Matrix. And he's gonna tell his next passenger? Like, why would you ban me from Uber?
I took Uber anyway. When I got banned from everything, you know, the biggest try hard loser company on earth.
Airbnb.
I'm gonna say it now. Airbnb are losers, here's why.
When I was banned...
the day they deleted all my banks. They deleted all my things on the same day. So on the same day I was banned from Gmail, Stripe, Facebook, Instagram,
five or six different banks,
Uber. Like every app on my phone just started logging out. The same day you got arrested? No, this was actually during my first cancellation. What was the time difference between the money and account cancellation and then being thrown in prison? August is when all of my apps stopped working. August 2023. Yes. And then I went to Dubai. Okay.
And then when I got left Dubai, I was arrested and they took all of my physical assets. And how long was that after?
I was arrested in December.
So you,
You kind of saw the writing on the wall a little bit. I went to Dubai for work. And a little play? Yeah. I mean, I have good friends in Dubai and I like the place.
And I went there for work.
And I'd just been canceled.
So I knew that they weren't happy with me. I didn't expect to get picked up so soon. I thought it would take a year or so or a couple of years. I thought I had more time to prepare for it.
But...
Yeah, I mean, it's when they arrested, they took all of my physical assets.
But when all of my apps stopped working, when they deleted me off absolutely everything,
Actually, can I say this part?
- Thank you.
We'll save this one. I'll save that story for when I'm no longer in the judicial system.
- Sure, part two. - Part two. - We'll do part two. - Yeah. And that's another thing that's very frustrating for me, is there's so much I know I have to be careful what I still say.
because I'm still at mercy to the Romanian judicial system, but
Yeah, I did find
i did find the uber thing interesting and that's for the airbnb thing so when they deleted me from everything at once
I got an email from Airbnb.
The same day I was getting cancellation emails from everyone. Airbnb emailed me and says, "Sorry, Mr. Tate, "because of your views and our community standards "and our guidelines on inclusivity and blah, blah, blah. "You're no longer welcome to use Airbnb." And they canceled me.
thought I don't even have an Airbnb account.
So I looked it up and I realized I was wrong. I did make an Airbnb account four years prior and had never
never stayed in Airbnb ever. Never even stayed in one, never even booked one.
And on the cancellation day, they jumped on in and stopped me from their service. Sorry, Mr. Dick, because of inclusivity. And I felt like replying, I've never even booked a fucking house through you clowns. And you're coming along trying to cancel me.
So I don't know, I can't tell you exactly how it works.
I've heard theories that it's a cascading effect. I've heard theories that after one company cancels you publicly and the media announces that cancellation, the other companies don't want the smoke of not canceling you. And I've heard other theories that there's actually someone higher up who makes the call. Pulling strings, yeah.
I guess we're going to find out.
But it's certainly interesting. And I don't think most people at home understand. Imagine opening your phone in every app just logging out.
You want people to say, "Oh, the Matrix, is it real?" If you want proof the Matrix is real, the day you open up your phone and everything starts closing down, you're going to see the Matrix is very real.
Now talk to me about the first moment you guys walk into a jail. Had you been into any kind of prison or jail before?
I've been arrested in England before.
for
I was arrested on some garbage and I was only held for a day or so.
but
First day in jail in Romania, what was it like? Walk us through what's going through your mind. You walk into the cell.
- The first time we have been talking about
What happens?
Jail is just condensed life. You need to be strong physically so no one else picks on you, and you need to be strong mentally so you don't pick on yourself.
And I was --
Also, pretty understanding that if you show respect to people, they're going to show respect back to you.
I wasn't scared. Part of me was a little bit nervous, but my
genuine concern was for everybody else on the outside. I know everyone was worried about me, but I was worried about all the people I have to pay and my kids and my families and my mother and everyone else and all the heat they're getting and the smoke they're getting and them all being upset.
The first day I walked in there, there was still a chance that I would be out relatively soon. So I thought that this is a temporary hiccup and it's garbage and it's something I have to deal with quickly.
It was only probably after a full week that it really began to settle in that I'm going to be stuck there for a long time. And I was hearing a lot of horror stories from people around me who had been stuck in the system for years. And they gave you no context of how long you'd be there or nothing. Everyone was telling me I was going to be there for years.
- Really? - Other guys in my room, when I first went in there, all of them had been there for between one and a half and four years without trial.
And when you walk in there, is everybody like, holy shit, Andrew Tate's in the house? Or was there not that kind of reaction? They knew who I was.
But not really. I think a lot of them, I think after a lot of time in jail, maybe not in a western jail, but in a jail in this part of the world,
you lose a lot of your
What's the word I'm looking for?
- Sentience, you lose a lot of your sentience, because the only way to survive it is to just be half asleep.
Right, right. Does that make sense? Yeah, you're kind of numb to it. And not even asleep physically, but just mentally half asleep.
They were like, "Oh, Andrew Tate."
Yeah. They didn't. No one cared. Welcome to the club. Yeah. Just like, welcome to the club. You got shafted by the system. Yeah.
And
It's amazing because systems are imperfect because they're run by people and people are fallible. And of course,
When you call the police after someone's committed a murder, you want that murderer to go to jail. And the judicial system does its job. Some people who do bad things are in jail, which is what you want. But there's also a bunch of people in jail who are just in jail.
for some garbage.
And of course, the person you're asking why they're there, are you hearing the real version of events? Who knows? But in every single jail on earth, I would argue there's a percentage of the population who shouldn't be there.
There's at least between
1%, perhaps up to 30, 40, 50% of men sitting in a room stuck there who shouldn't be in jail.
If all was fair in the world, and the world's not fair.
and
After I started to realize I might be there for years because a lot of the people in there, some of them, and I won't tell their stories out of respect, were there.
who had done nothing wrong and had been stuck for years,
My concerns weren't for me. My concerns were for my empire on the outside. Because as a man, you have a lot of people who depend on you.
What were the conditions like inside there?
They were exactly how you'd imagine a Romanian jail to be.
I mean, Romania is technically a poor country. If you actually ever visit here, you'll see a lot of fast cars and Lamborghinis and nightclubs and bottles and there's a big wealth divide. There's a lot of money here, but technically on paper,
in general is one of the poorest countries in Europe.
How can a politician justify to his constituents that he wants to send money
to improve the jail system.
when they have medical problems with their healthcare system and the roads have holes.
They have other issues to fix. The pensions need paying. I don't think they've put any money into that jail since it was built.
Wow. During communism. Wow.
And a jail in communism is a dungeon to go and die in.
Mm-hmm.
And there's also the starkest
reality was that there is no
mental health divide.
between the criminal justice system and the mental health system in poorer countries. It's probably not Romania. It's probably most poor countries. In a poor country, they don't have the money to work out if you are a criminal or if you're mentally ill. You're just not doing what you're supposed to do, and you're a menace to society. So you all go...
to jail.
So there's a huge mental health problem. And I'd argue it's probably like that in a lot of poor countries. Was there multiple people in the cell with you or were you solo before being in the cell?
It was
At first, my brother and I were separate. I was in the room with three other guys, three other men.
My concern initially was to make sure there was going to be no physical confrontation,
I'm pretty good at picking up vibes and I understood pretty quickly that I'd be okay. Tristan had a semi-different experience.
And then after two weeks, I was put in the same cell as Tristan. We were put together.
And we were put together so they could bug the cell and listen to us. And you guys, of course, knew that. Yeah, we knew that instantly. Probably fucking around. But we were. Yeah, of course. But we were glad that they put us in there. And I've told my story about Ricky Tan and Rush Hour and
how we started talking about all these imaginary crimes. We did it, one, was to upset them. But two, our logic was if we make them feel like they're getting something out of this, they'll keep us in the same room.
and it's better. So let's keep alluding
to these crime bosses in Hong Kong. And we kept describing the rush hour plots. So they're listening in, calling the Hong Kong authorities. But, um,
But...
I mean, I'll never forget the day they told me I was going to leave jail. I'll never forget that day. I'll never forget that emotion.
Well, in there, you know, I know there's a famous question where someone said, you know, Andrew, did you cry in jail? Yeah. And you said.
I said, tears ran down my face, but I did not cry.
And what did you mean by that?
Because it's a unique feeling of frustration.
Unless you've ever been in that scenario, you never would have experienced it in your life.
You're put in a room.
The door is locked, okay. And for the first few days you're in jail, whatever. But after a couple of weeks, you just look at the door and you're like,
How can I not leave this room? Why can't I go outside of this door?
It's in all the other scenarios in your life,
where perhaps you're put in a room, you have to argue with your parents or you've got a job and you can't finish until a certain time. But you could leave the room. If you actually wanted to walk out, you could walk out. There may be consequences, but you could. Sure. Yeah. In jail, you actually can't. Yeah. And it's very frustrating. And
I think my brother actually did better than me because my brother, the whole three months in jail, didn't make a single phone call.
Didn't call anyone once.
Didn't care. I was calling people, trying to check on them, making sure that everything was okay.
And I thought that would make my life better and everyone else's life better, but it did the opposite because
It made me very concerned.
And it's also amazing the difference between men and women, because I'd call my guys or men who I rely on or people I do business with, whatever.
And they'd be like, "Don't worry, we got it. You just worry about you. We got it. We got it. We got it." You'd call the women, and the women in your life, obviously, have been depending on you while you're free,
and they just start
Getting upset, crying.
"Oh, but what if you're there for years? And how will I pay for this? Or what's going to happen about this? Or what if, you know, the kid?" And all of their negative emotion. They're not cerebral enough to go, "He's using his 20 minutes jail phone call. And instead of making him happy, I'm just going to trauma dump him." And it's quite a surreal experience to be in a jail cell.
counting the cockroaches on the roof.
on a broken payphone,
trying to convince some girl in the free world that she's going to be okay.
You're playing the other side. You're like, don't worry, it's going to be fine. You're the therapist in the jail.
which shows the reality of masculine versus feminine when things get hard anyway. But that day I was particularly upset, but it wasn't about me. I never felt sorry for myself at any point.
I never looked around at any point and said,
"Oh, this is unfair. I can't believe this happened to me." Even though it is unfair, and even though it is a matrix attack, that's not a paradigm I operate under.
I only looked around me and said, I need to get out of here because there's other things I have to do. And I'm worried about everyone else.
I really wasn't that concerned. If you would have said to me when I was in jail, "Andrew, you're gonna be here.
for 10 years.
But,
X amount of million dollars a month will be generated, and these people will be paid for, and this is the life they're all going to live, that I really would have been like, okay,
and I would have done my time.
It's concern for other people as opposed to over myself. I wasn't worried about me so much.
And...
Because truthfully, although I did nothing wrong,
or that's that's incorrect even though I was thrown in jail for a reason that didn't exist for a crime that didn't happen
All in all,
I feel like there's no light without dark in the universe. If I were to say to you, this is a genuine question, if I were to say to you at the age of 18,
When you were carrying, let's say you had a job like me, or I say to myself, "I'm carrying boxes of fish."
in a fish market at seven in the morning.
for $40 a day. And they were to say, Andrew, you're going to become one of the most well-known people on the planet. And you're going to
stay in a mansion in Dubai that's a million dollars a month, and you're going to have all these beautiful children with all these beautiful women. You're going to drive a Bugatti and have 59 cars. You're going to fly on private jets, and you're going to have this big mansion in Romania. You're going to have all these things.
but at some point they're gonna throw you in jail for no reason.
I would have signed that piece of paper instantly.
I would have taken that contract.
Who wouldn't? You don't have to be a total pussy to not take that deal.
All in all, there's no light without dark. So I didn't feel sorry for myself. I understand you can't
shine bright in the world without casting a shadow. And the shadow is where your enemies are going to attack from. And sometimes they'll get lucky and
They'll hit you with a side swipe and you'll fall over and you're going to get back up. I never felt sorry for myself. It was the monumental responsibilities I had on my back.
and everyone else's panic around me.
And you can also extrapolate that out towards life in general,
where when I was only talking to Tristan, or I was only talking to the strong people in my life,
I felt fine.
But as soon as I talked to someone who was weak,
I felt bad. And you can also use that outside of jail. Yeah, the power of environment. 100%. Quality friends around you, quality support system. And your circle. Absolutely. I tweeted the other day, and it got me a lot of heat. I tweeted that male therapy is your friends just calling you a pussy until you don't mention it anymore.
And everyone was like, that's not therapy. And everyone had a mental breakdown. But if you go to your boys and like, oh, she left me.
Don't be gay. Get over it.
Eventually you'll stop saying it and eventually you'll get over it. But if you sit and you say, she left me or whatever bad happened and they sit there and they cry back and everyone's sad, it drags you down the rabbit hole.
So it's also very important that you create your reality so you're as strong as possible. And I believe that your friends in a masculine environment, the primary objective of your
friends.
should be
I like to say to my friends that
If I'm with my guys, my enemy feels
Harmless. My enemy doesn't feel capable when I'm with my team.
Now, my enemy is still very capable, but they feel less capable, which is stupid, because my enemy is the government.
And the government are the biggest gangsters on the planet. They can kill me and they can still throw my ass in jail. But when I'm with my guys, I'm not afraid of it.
Even now, post-jail, I live with
all my best friends. We have this big house.
And we live together. And every day we laugh.
Are they coming today? Are we going to jail today? Who knows? Jail bags packed. It's all a big joke. If I was living with just my woman and my kid,
I'd be far more nervous and scared.
Are they going to bust in the door? Are they going to kick my kid? She's young. Are they going to, you know, she's the woman's scared. I'd go to bed worried each night. But when you're with your guys, you feel invincible. I think that's something inside of men that we've evolved to have. It's something biological inside of us. Because when enough men are in a large group, we'll charge at gunfire. Yeah, camaraderie. Yeah. If everyone starts going over the top screaming, you'll jump over the top and scream. It's something inside of us. Mm-hmm.
SO THAT WAS THE THING THAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT JAIL. YOU LEARN HOW
I knew I had massive responsibilities in life, and that was no realization to me. But the realization was that
even in your
most
difficult periods of your life. You're still a man and the people who rely on you are still going to rely on you and
Mm-hmm.
you're still going to have to find a way to perform. And I did it because I was prepared for it and all the bills were paid and everything was fine.
But it was very interesting that I'd use my jail calls trying to cheer people up as opposed to being cheered up.
Yeah. How did your brotherhood with Tristan grow?
in jail.
We were in a cell, the same cell, I think, for
81
days.
and the cell was
When I say tiny, imagine a bathroom.
It was about the size of a bathroom.
and we never argued once.
about anything.
Is there beds in there? Yes, that's right. So we had a bunk bed.
And who got the top bunk?
No, we had two. There was four beds. There was two sets of bunk beds. But when they put us in the bunk cell, they left two empty. So we both had these bunks. And then our free space was around the size of a bathroom in general. And it was...
cockroaches and there was a hole in the floor.
And that was it.
And we had a tiny window.
And that was the experience. So you literally go from like Dubai, mansion, Bugatti on the thing, yachts, girls, the whole thing to like...
cockroaches and double bumped heads. - Isn't, are I lucky?
No, but I'm saying that without hyperbole. Are I fortunate?
Maybe this is the wrong way to frame it, but I believe it is the best way to look at the scenario. I think that makes me hyper fortunate.
Wouldn't it be beautiful?
Wouldn't it be amazing to be in the Sahara Desert and be
extremely hot and dehydrated and almost about to sunburn.
And then...
in a flash instantly in an ice cold Nordic pool with unlimited fresh water. Imagine the change in circumstance, the juxtaposition between the two, how crazy it would be. If you take a plane between the two, you lose the effect. It needs to be like teleportation, the instantness. People get out of the sauna.
And they jump into an ice bath for a reason. I literally went from, yes, private jets and Bugattis and being the most famous man in the world, living in a mansion, to that dungeon so quickly. And I feel like that puts me in a very fortunate position because that allowed me to recalibrate.
and
it's certainly a unique experience of life and
What are you looking at life for?
are you looking at life to be as comfortable as possible or are you looking at life for the challenges and for the stories
I would argue that if Tristan went to jail without me,
I would have been very jealous.
when he got out.
I'm not going to be able to protect him. I'm not going to be able to protect him.
I'm not going to be able to protect him.
I would have been jealous of him.
Now, obviously,
would have been no animosity because we're brothers but i would have been like wow
That sounds cool. That sounds fun. There's some people who want to go through life and be as comfortable as possible. But if you're the kind of person who wants to challenge yourself, I'd argue that being thrown in a Romanian dungeon is a challenge.
Being thrown off the back of living the most luxurious life that money can afford is a challenge.
Trying to find a way to escape and preserve your mental rigidity is a challenge.
And I'm very glad God gave it to me.
And I'll say this right now here on camera, part of me
A huge percentage of me.
will be disappointed if I don't go back.
And I know that sounds crazy.
Because I feel like
I don't care.
about what the media are going to say and i know i've done nothing wrong and god knows i've done nothing wrong
I'm not interested in any of that. But when I'm 70,
Will it be cooler if I had to go back and do five years in the dungeon, or will it be cooler if I spent those five years flying around on jets and sleeping with beautiful women and being Mr. Rich?
I mean, okay, maybe the Mr. Rich stories will be cool. I'm not going to complain. They'll be fun. But part of me will always be in the back of my mind for the next few years after I bust this case, which I believe is going to happen. I don't think I'm going to go back.
If I was in jail, would my life story be cooler? Would the lessons be
worth more than what I'm currently doing? And maybe that makes me insane. Maybe that makes me nuts. I don't know.
But I'm really not afraid of it. It's up to God and God will decide and Allah is the best of planners. Perhaps I learned all the important lessons I needed to learn in those days. And if I haven't, he's going to put me back in there. We're going to find out. And there's a beautiful saying too in Islam, as I know you're Muslim.
where God doesn't put anything on the soul that it can't bear. Absolutely. And so there's a divine meaning in it. Obviously, time will tell. But I want to ask you this, too.
um and this is really interesting before i forget is when you're in prison i heard someone ask you something to the effect of
you know, how did you spend time? What did you interest in do? And you said that you did like X amount of pushups. Yeah.
What did you do to be as productive as possible in there? Whether you and Tristan or Solo, what did you focus on? What was your mental frame of mind? It was fantastic for so many things, Jail. Jail was fantastic for training.
How many push-ups did you do in there? I did a thousand push-ups a day.
Every day. Every day.
I did like 300 or between 300 to 400 squats a day. And then I had no weights and we had no access to a gym. So, I had a six pack of two liter water which weighed around 12 kilos. And it was a lot of fun. I mean, it was a lot of fun.
usually it'd be around 4 30 by the time i'd finish the push-ups i remember and between 4 30 and dinner so that's two hours at 6 30 we got fed i'd lift the the water above my head over and over and over and over again as many times as i could so you literally got stronger mentally and physically in jail absolutely and it was fantastic for training i kind of miss
that single mindedness I had in jail.
Now I don't do a thousand pushups a day, not because I can't, but because I have things to do. And I have work and my phone's ringing and I've got things to do on my laptop. Back then it's like I'm going to do a thousand pushups and I have nothing else to do. That single mindedness was actually quite beautiful because in the world we live in today, we're all permanently distracted.
At least half of the time, at least a fraction of you is always thinking, "What's on my phone?"
What's that person doing?
what's this girl doing or what's this work I have to do. But when you're in jail, after a while you lose access to anything outside of your immediate. So you focus on the immediate. It's like going back in time.
You know, do you remember the 90s? You remember? Maybe I'm an old man. The early 2000s before we lived inside the matrix and the metaverse when you were just in a room with someone and that was it.
I had conversations in jail.
Me and my brother would talk for days about the same subject.
We've never spoken like that since. There's been time. I've said this to Tristan only a few days ago. Two days ago, we're having a cigar in the cigar room.
And we were talking about something. We talked about this for half an hour. We would have talked about this for days in jail, weeks perhaps.
So much magic is lost.
outside and outside of a jail cell. So what a blessing from God that I got to
experience that.
for those three months and be cerebral enough
to
retain those lessons or at least be aware now of what I'm missing in the real world. Because you don't realize what you're missing until you're put in a position like that. And what suffering did I have to go through to get such a blessing from God? Well, I had to deal with the media saying bad things about me, but I don't care. I genuinely don't care. They can print bad things about me for the rest of my life. I'm not going to shut up. I don't care.
I had to deal with the cockroaches.
which-- And the bed bugs.
and the spiders, which I must admit was
probably the worst thing about jail.
And I had to deal with some nightmares when I got out.
But all in all,
And I was saying this to Tristan in jail. We were sitting there. I was saying we'd often have conversations
when we were at our lowest.
when we felt particularly depressed,
We'd say, let's name things worse than jail.
- Ooh, friend control, yeah. - 'Cause we're supposed to be in a bad situation now. - The worst of the worst. - What's worse than jail? That can happen in everyday life. Well, cancer's worse than jail.
A car crash is worse than jail.
Getting drafted into a war you don't want to fight in is worse than jail.
I argued. We started finding. And over time, we ended up with a huge list of things that everyone suffers from every single day that are worse than a jail cell. Right? There's a beautiful quote by Tony Robbins. He talks about nothing in life has any meaning except the meaning that we give it.
And so the fact that you guys were giving it an empowering meaning, you own the narrative, it didn't own you.
Oh, absolutely. My enemies think they damage me by putting me in jail. All they've done is make me more powerful and give me a story and give me an experience and make me more aware and acutely
interested
IN ENSURING THAT I AM
I wouldn't say present because I've always understood that I'm, you know, semi-distracted and busy people always are.
But I kind of feel like
Would I be crazy to call it a...
Health retreat.
you know like like kind of like a mindfulness retreat yeah i went to a mindfulness retreat and because of that and we'll say the insects were nature
I went to experience nature in a mindfulness retreat with my best friend and brother.
and there was no distractions. They only allowed me
to be distracted for 20 minutes every two days with the jail phone. And besides that, I had to focus on what I was doing at the time. Lucky me.
How did your-- And I kind of want to go back.
How did your faith grow?
your relationship with God. I know that you also, you know, in recent years have
reverted back to Islam and being Muslim.
When did that occur?
specifically and what led to that series of events. Did jail play a role in that?
I always had massive respect for Islam and I'm very careful what I say because I don't want to offend any other religions. Because I think that anybody who is living true to God and they believe is the correct religion is somebody who I respect.
I feel like it's the last true religion on Earth.
Mm-hmm.
In the West, at least, if you look at Christianity, it has no meaning anymore.
I don't know how you can be a...
true person of religious conviction and faith and then call yourself a Christian without feeling
Not embarrassed, but at least angered. Within the context of not the religion itself, but how it's implemented and how it's, right? They stick up for what they believe in.
If you don't stand for something,
then you don't believe in anything.
If you don't have hard barriers, if you're not prepared to say no to certain things and certain ideas, then you don't believe in anything. Islam is simple. Book says no, haram.
Next.
That's it. And Christianity is super subjective now.
And there are things that everybody knows go against Christian teachings, and they know go against the Bible, but the church and the culture of Christianity, when we were talking about culture earlier, proves how important it is.
is so accepting of everything that they have no firm barriers and they don't believe in anything anymore.
The point of a religion
is
to have restrictions. That's where the faith comes in. If you can do whatever you want, then it's not a religion, is it?
And if you'll ignore all the rules of your own holy book, then it's not religion either. And I just feel like...
The fact even that Christianity is so openly mocked and Christians don't stand up and defend it.
is again proof
that the religion has lost a lot of its power. And I think
My respect for Islam is in the very simple fact that they stick up for what they believe in and they mean what they say and they refuse to be mocked.
And I don't know, you can apply that from a religious perspective, but you can also apply that from a general perspective of life as a man.
I think any man with self-respect doesn't want to be mocked, and he doesn't want his views to be mocked about anything.
and
If you're going to believe in a religion, you should at least respect it. And I respect their rigidity. And I respect that people
treat them in a certain way because their religious convictions are true.
We can go down the argument of which religion is true, which religion is right.
But I think we could all agree, and even Christians will agree this with me,
that it's a sad state of affairs where Christians will allow their prophet or Jesus to be openly mocked and they won't say anything about it or do anything about it and just allow it to happen within Christian nations. I think we can all agree that's sad.
And it's beautiful to be part of a religion where you don't have to suffer that
Embarrassment.
Truthfully.
How did Islam change you personally?
Because I'm sure there's been an internal shift, right? Not just the religion, but...
It gave me a lot of clarity and it gave me a lot of peace and it confirmed
a lot of things I already knew were right and already knew were wrong.
It--
Reverting to Islam didn't make me say, "Ah, okay.
This is now wrong and I used to believe it's right. There wasn't very many of those. It was far more I always knew this was wrong.
And now I'm glad I get to read the Quran and be told a new reason why it is wrong.
And it gave me a lot of peace.
Because
You have to live for something, and everybody's trying to live for something outside of God. And truthfully, you're going to get to a point in your life sooner or later where you realize nothing else matters.
and
You're going to come to a conclusion, especially if you're monumentally successful, that all the things you think you own, you don't even own.
and that you don't have control or power over very much. And the only thing that's going to give you true satisfaction in this world is waking up
and knowing that you're doing the right thing because it's what you believe is right.
and you have the
faith and the courage to continue to do that despite your persecution.
And ultimately, if what you are doing is
trying to
take care of your children and preserve society so they have a world to grow up in which is worth living in
That is the will of God and the act of God.
And I think that...
Having peace and clarity in regards to knowing I'm living for the right thing was the biggest change. I wouldn't say it changed many of my views. It just made me feel more at peace with the suffering that comes with doing the right thing.
If that makes sense. And you know it's interesting because I'm actually Muslim as well.
And I want to ask, it's very interesting that you use the language as revert to Islam versus converted to Islam. I'm curious. I know I understand the answer, but I'm curious if you could elaborate because I'm sure there's people wondering.
So why do you use the language of revert to Islam versus convert to Islam?
Yeah, I was corrected on this and someone said to me that we were. Andrew Tate was corrected? Yeah, I've been, bro. My whole life, my whole life, my whole life has been corrections. I just, I'm just good at listening.
I always pay attention.
But we all start off as Muslims is the intention, right? You can probably explain it even better than I can.
Yeah.
BUT, UM...
And especially when it comes to the Islamic journey,
I'm paying a lot of attention and I'm learning as much as possible because there's a lot to learn, especially when you're not born into the faith. There's certainly a lot of studying to be done. But it's interesting when you said Andrew Tate was corrected. Yeah, absolutely.
I'm only...
I'd like to believe the only reason I'm so good at trying to make people understand what I think and teach people things is because I was such a good student for so long. I spent most of my life listening.
Mm-hmm.
One of the weirdest things about the internet is I see all these 21, 22, 23 year old kids talking about how life should work and
They have it all figured out. Yeah, they all figured out. They're in Miami and they've rented a Lambo. And they're the king of the -- Buy the course for $9.97. King of the world. I spent my 20s shutting up and doing as I was told. I only became a world champion kickboxer because I listened to my coach. I only became wise because I listened to my father. I spent most of my life listening before I started to talk.
The Internet has kind of accelerated it now where people are
getting a voice much earlier on. But before the internet, you didn't get rich at 21.
unless you were born rich. How?
And you didn't have a voice at 21 because no one would listen to you.
You know, so you had to have that age.
to have the real world successes and the wisdom
And with that age, you often learn the life lessons that allowed you to teach people things. But I've been a very good student for a very long time. And I like to pay attention to things.
I'm constantly being corrected all the time.
And now especially,
You can call it God, you can call it universe, you can call it life. There's lots of different things you can call it, but
the feedback I'm receiving every single day, I'm trying to pay a lot of attention to
And we can even apply it to other things, right?
I understand,
that I was joking when I said some of the videos
that when I made some of the videos I've made that have been used against me now by the people who are saying I'm a misogynist or I'm not misogynist. Everyone with a brain knows I was joking. That's true. But I would be a fool to not sit and say, okay, well, now I'm monumentally more famous. I have to be slightly more careful how I say certain things in case they're weaponized. You have to take feedback from things in life and use it to your advantage all of the time. So I'm constantly and always trying to do that.
And
Jail was a fantastic example of it, but
One of the things I like most, and I won't say their names, but there's a few very prominent Muslims who I'm speaking to every day and learning from them.
And the lessons in it
are so important and so pertinent.
I believe I'm going to get where I want to get. It's because I'm a good student and I'm prepared to listen and learn.
And there's a lot of people in the world who aren't prepared to listen and learn. And I find that quite interesting. And I don't think it's because people are stupid.
I think the majority of people are actually brutally arrogant. Because I've had a lot of people ask for my advice on different things as well. And when I try and give it to them, they just start arguing with me back. I don't know if you've ever had that. Someone comes to me and says, "I want to be successful.
I'm like, okay, you need to do this. Oh, but I can't do that because of, why did you ask me that?
Why did you ask me if you have all the answers? If you have all the answers, why are you not where you want to be?
There are three reasons most people are not successful in life. It's either stupid, lazy, or arrogant.
I think less than 5% of people are too stupid to get everything they want.
I've yet to see anybody truly dedicate themselves to something in life and not get it.
I've never seen somebody get up at 6:00 a.m. every day
go to the gym every day, eat right every day, and not get in shape.
Now, I've heard people say they're going to do it and not do it, or say they're doing it and lie, or say, oh, but my thyroid or every excuse under the sun. But I've yet to see anybody just do it and not get the result they wanted.
And it's the same with most things.
It's the same with making money. Not many people are too stupid to make money.
Not many people, if you were to give them the formula, the blueprint, and say, here, do exactly this, copy it.
and do it word for word.
would be too stupid to interpret what they must do.
But people are too lazy and they are too arrogant. 5% of people are too stupid. The majority of people are not where they wanna be, whether it's physical, financial, anything else, mental, spiritual, because they're too lazy
or they're too arrogant.
and laziness is is a is a scourge but i think arrogance is the true one where people just truly
They want the answers. They want the shortcuts.
But when you're actually trying to explain it to them, they have all the answers under the sun as to why they can't possibly do it or it doesn't work for them. Or, yeah, I can't go gym at six because of traffic and I have a thyroid problem. And it's all arrogance. It's all just trying to pretend they're special and different and better than everyone else. And it's not the case. Justify where they're at. Justify where they're at. And I love that you say that because one of my good friends, Miguel Aguilar from Selfmade, it's like a training facility company.
but he talks to me a lot, he's been a mentor to me, he talks to me a lot about how fitness is a big part of the mind, so for me, one of the things I'm working on now is my fitness.
How important has fitness been? Because it seems like it's been a reoccurring theme throughout your life to be physically fit. The mind gets a strong.
When you strengthen the body, you strengthen the mind. How important has physical fitness been to your success, your mindset, your growth, making millions of dollars?
having the impact you have.
What role has fitness played in that for you? I can answer that question in lots of ways. The first one is the simple one. A strong body is a strong mind.
Secondly, there's a lot of discipline required in fitness. And discipline can be applied universally to all things. Discipline is a skill you can pull out of your pocket and apply to anything. You can force yourself to do something you don't want to do because you're disciplined. Not because you're motivated, like we said earlier on. Not because you feel like doing it, but because you're supposed to do it. Thirdly, this is something that not many other people say, so I'm going to say it.
There is a
unspoken rule amongst
men.
And it.
- Okay.
I remember a few weeks ago, maybe a few months ago, there were women on Twitter or women on the internet saying, "When men meet, do they always think about the possibility of violence? Does that cross their mind?"
I'm...
And they were surprised by that fact that if men who-- I mean, we met for a podcast. But if you meet men in an unfriendly scenario, or you don't know who they are, for a fraction of a second, you're thinking.
Can I win this fight?
Are they going to attack me? It crosses our minds. We live in a very physical realm. Any man who doesn't has been
polluted by the matrix and will never be competitive and is doomed to fail. But if you're truly competitive, like it should be as a man, it always crosses your mind. And one of the important things about physical fitness that most people never talk about, never say is,
Men,
treat you different when they know that you'd be hard to hurt.
Life treats you different. Women certainly do. That's an obvious one, right? Women like muscly guys because muscly guys can fight. Obviously that's not the case, but that's how they look dangerous, right?
But men also treat you differently.
Which means society as a whole treats you differently.
I would argue that
if you wanted to
run any kind of company
or even do sales or do anything else. Let's say, let's go back to sales. Let's talk about what we were saying earlier. If I went to sell windows and I came in in fantastic physical condition, the person who's buying from me, one knows I'm disciplined and two knows I'm diligent.
That's going to be some massive advantages from my sales perspective. But also,
I would argue that
Men are happy.
to
Look up to somebody who is physically strong in a different regard. I think it would be difficult for you to be a true leader unless you showed some degree of physical prowess. I think that's just the way the world has always worked on a...
on a
at a deep level when a man looks at a guy who's six foot eight and jacked and he says we're going to go into battle. You're more motivated to go into battle beside him because he's six foot eight and jacked. You feel like you're going to win. You like the idea of being led by a warrior. Right.
So there's that huge element to it as well.
And the final part of it all is that it's so much easier to keep something than it is to gain something. And once you're in good physical shape, it's actually so easy to maintain as opposed to ever get there. It's so hard to get there that if you ever get there, you may as well just keep it.
Because it's so easy to keep as opposed to lose.
And I think it's...
- In today's world, it's also a huge status symbol, because we live in a world now where most things can be bought.
You can buy Instagram followers and you can
hire a lambo and you can buy a hot chick to stand next to you but you can't yet buy perfect physical conditioning
- Mm-hmm. - That is showing the world that you did it.
One rep at a time, it's earned. You have to earn it.
And it's one of the few things left that has to be earned the hard way that you can't buy, which I think is also very important.
We can also continue to answer this question because you're going to feel different.
You feel different as a man when you know you can
and I'm a peaceful man, but when you know if
things happened, or if someone tried to hurt the woman next to you, you could destroy the man who's trying to do it. You feel different.
There's an aura that people can smell. The woman can smell it. Predators can smell it.
Maybe perhaps if I was built differently, I would have been treated differently in jail.
But everybody looked at me and they knew who I was and they thought,
That's messy.
Not him.
That's it's just how humans work. Right. And it's just how the whole universe works. It's how the animal kingdom works.
Even lions and tigers, as fearsome as they are, go for the weakest antelope.
They don't want a hard fight. They just want to eat. Right? Even mating partners. Yeah. 100%. So society is the same.
i'm i'm sure there's scenarios in my life where i've walked down a street
And I've been left alone. And the person who walked behind after me a few seconds later, because he wasn't built like I was, was the one who got mugged. I'm sure that's happened.
at some point in my life, but I'm the hard target.
And I like feeling like the hard target. And I think that I approach life differently knowing I'm the hard target.
Yeah. So,
Someone said it smarter than I. I don't know if it was plateau or
one of those ancient Greek philosophers. He said, "What a shame for a man to grow old without ever knowing the true power his body is capable of." And I completely agree.
- Wow. - Aristotle perhaps. One of those really smart men. But yeah, and it's also one of the true beauties of being a man is being physically strong.
i i'm now i'm trying to think would i tr what i trade what would i trade my my physical prowess for i'm not sure there's not much that could tempt me i i i and and once you it's kind of like being rich once you become rich
You get used to it.
and you don't appreciate it, but if you lost all of your money,
you would be miserable and you'd know, "I didn't appreciate it when I had it. "Now I want it back. "I had it all and I lost it. I wasted it." I think physical prowess is the same thing. It's something I take for granted all of the time. But even if I look at jail, if I look how some of the smaller prisoners are being treated, the fact that nobody even tried to treat me that way.
It's intangible. And it's interesting you go back to that because I do want to ask a question. I heard one time you mentioned that a portion of the part you were in jail, correct me if I'm wrong, it was during Ramadan. And I'm curious if, you know, being Muslim, praying the five prayers, Ramadan fasting,
you know, how that either helped you cope or how that strengthened you even more. Because here you are.
Money's gone.
presumably speaking, quote unquote, everything's gone.
but inside you're getting stronger spiritually, getting stronger mentally, getting stronger physically,
How did the religion and the implementation of Ramadan, which for people who don't know, it's fasting. Yeah. How did that strengthen you even more? Because it's like, I mean, you're talking about levels of difficulty that most human beings will never experience. What was that like for you? How did it inform you? And from what I understand during Ramadan, you do not have to fast if you're at war. But
or if you're in a difficult scenario, but I still wanted to fast. And I actually very much enjoyed ramen, and it was probably my...
best period of jail. And that's no eating from sunrise to sunset. No eating or drinking water dry fast. Correct.
So they gave me my food.
We got three meals a day. We had a meal at 7:30, a meal at 1, a meal at 6:30. So what I would do is I would take all of the meals,
But most of the time, a lot of it was inedible. So I'd take the breakfast and I'd pick out the bits that were edible and I'd throw the rest away and I'd save it.
I'd do the same with the lunch and I'd save it. When the dinner came, I'd once again save it, put together this concoction of breakfast, lunch and dinner. And I'd spend all day keeping the cockroaches off my food. I had a plastic bag which I'd put over the plate. And as I did my push-ups, I'd stand up and make sure the insects weren't getting on it. And I'd save it and eat it all.
son
- Something, yeah. - I wouldn't eat before
I wouldn't eat before the sun came up because I couldn't because there was no food.
delivered to me in time and I'd have to keep the food overnight and overnight the insects would destroy the food. So I could only eat once a day. And I only ate once when the sun went down. Yeah.
Isn't that amazing by adding a new level of difficulty to jail that I enjoyed it more? Yeah.
Strange, as difficult as jail was,
That was my favorite period of jail and
I was reading the Quran from cover to cover.
And it was an interesting experience. I'm not going to lie to you.
I did kind of cheat on one thing because
you're only allowed one
- You can get a bottle of hot water for tea.
a day.
and I'd get it at dinner, and I'd have tea or coffee with my dinner. But during Ramadan, because I think I was the only Muslim in the jail,
the prison guards didn't truly understand what Ramadan was. So after the sun went down and I'd used all my hot water,
bang on the door, bang on the door, and the guards would come. And I'd say, I need more hot water. He'd say, you're not allowed it. I'd say, it's Ramadan.
And they'd go get me more hot water, which was nice. Because they were scared of it. They didn't understand what it meant. I heard that you also, too, got along with a lot of the
the staff of the jail, right? Like people said, like, they'd say, like, sorry, man. Yeah, I know. We just got to put you in here. Like, what was that like? Was there a lot of people on your side? Yeah, I had no problems with anybody. Most of the guards, some of the guards were,
like, like all
subsects of the populace. You can have a certain percentage of people who were idiots. Some of the guards were idiots.
Some of them were exceptionally rude. Some of them would trash my room and make my life difficult. But some of them were very nice to me.
And they understood that it was just a matrix attack and they're just innocent people doing their jobs. And that's what's kind of, if you analyze how society works, now the matrix operates. That's one of the saddest things about it the whole way through.
is that
At the top there is, and at certain points and processes there is, one cog in the machine that's particularly evil.
But the saddest thing is when you realize
that
someone at the top can give a command or give an order.
which they know
isn't genuine.
for the intention of
*clicks*
not enslaving, but the intention of keeping the population under a certain
type of pressure for, let's say. Sure.
And it's just innocent people doing their jobs to the best of their ability. And it all adds up to this unfortunate circumstance. COVID is a perfect example.
of a guy, I'm just doing my job, I'm just doing my job. And there's no point yelling at each person along the stage
Because of the chain of command. Because of the chain of command. They're just doing their job. And if they don't do it, they lose their job. So, there's no point in yelling at the prison guard. He's just doing his job. And there's no point in yelling at the dinner lady. She's just doing her job. There's no point in yelling at the guards who transport me to the court. They're just doing their job. Like at every point, you're like, all of these people are involved in my enslavement. All of these people are involved in this matrix attack. And I'm sitting in a cell for no reason.
But it's actually none of their fault. And it's kind of interesting. And it's one of the saddest things about it. Because if it's one person's fault, you know who to be mad at, right? You can even look at my predicament if you want to go deeper down the rabbit hole. Well...
Let's say a prosecutor was instructed to put me in jail.
Instructed by who? Let's leave that out for now so I don't end up murdered.
Comment down below who you think that might be. Yeah. I would never kill myself.
But the prosecutor's job is to try and put me in jail.
He did his job.
That's right. And he put together papers that made me look guilty enough for a judge who looked at the papers to believe I should have been in jail. She just did her job. And the prison guard took me to jail and just put me in jail. It's a bunch of innocent people just doing their jobs, even if it's a matrix attack. Right. You know, so that's one of the scariest things when you understand how the system is set up, is that it's not often one person who's doing evil where you can blame them. Ha, you're doing all these evil things. Get rid of them and it's all fixed.
off a chain
and then a bunch of people just being relatively competent at their employment.
can end up in somebody suffering the consequences. There are some other examples where you can clearly see the corruption and the evil
of,
one particular person's actions. Those are the
the better ones because it's clearer for you to see. But I feel like in my position,
I couldn't... That's not my...
frame of mind to blame other people anyway, but there was nobody to blame.
All the guards were nice to me and I was nice to them. I understood this is just one of those things. It's just how it works.
Yeah.
Now, let me ask you this. When you were in jail, obviously you're going through so much,
Were you tripping about money?
.
Because I'm sure, because I mean, you took all this time to make
Of course, people speculate on your net worth and how much you're worth.
you know, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, billion dollar valuation.
But it took you a lot of work, a lot of time, energy, right? Like so much of you and Tristan and the whole empire you built.
Are you tripping about money at this stage? Are you worried about how it's tied up? My bills will be paid for me and the people I love for the rest of my life, even if I go to jail tomorrow forever.
So I knew that was good. Go on in.
Yeah, I knew that was good. And when people say how? But, well, yeah. And I have to be careful what I say. What I will think most people at home understand is the logistics of money and how difficult it is to move sometimes and how difficult it is to access and use.
The average person just sees money as I have money in my bank.
But that's not your money.
because if you annoy your bank or your bank gets a letter, you'll quickly see that that money is not yours. It's the banks and it's gone. Or if you want to take a hundred grand out like, nope, yeah, you're not too much. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So
then you have physical cash which is being phased out you can't even buy most expensive things with cash anymore so cash isn't usable anymore
So it's setting yourself up and setting up your financial structure so that money can still be accessible and can still be in the hands of all the people who need it.
And then when the matrix is trying to get hold of all of my money, they're also going to look at all the finances of the people close to me and then try and track down the money they have.
and you have to be prepared for that.
It's a job in and of itself, these things.
And it's complicated. And yeah, I have to be very careful what I say. But I knew my bills were going to be paid. I knew my children were going to be okay.
But it's none of these things are simple. They're very difficult and very complicated to do. It's it's a full time job in and of itself. And I'm just glad I had pre prepared to the level I had. If I hadn't,
I don't know what would be going on because
Jail feels like a different lifetime. It feels so long ago, but
I haven't had a penny.
technically on paper since that day. Has that humbled you in any way?
Nah. Nah. But I don't need money anyway. It's not money that makes me brash. In fact, I think I'd be far worse if I was broke.
If you were to take all my money off me right now and then sit me down in front of a camera when I had nothing, I'd be far worse. I had nothing to lose then at all. So it's not, if they think that bankrupting me is going to make me shut up, they're going to learn. If they succeed, they're going to be very disappointed. Yeah.
It's the absolute opposite.
Okay, well, I want to ask you this, and it's related to the business side of things, switching gear. A lot of our audience, we've interviewed a lot of billion-dollar entrepreneurs, a lot of high-level people.
We've had Patrick David on the show, who I know did a great, wonderful interview with you.
He's a mutual good friend.
A lot of people wonder about how you built your empire. So I want to get into some of your mindset.
You know, before jail and all this, talk to me a little about how you went from zero to a million, a million to ten million, and whatever you're comfortable sharing. Just so people can see your mind frame, you know what I mean, like business moves you made early on.
just because a lot of our audience is entrepreneurial minded.
How did Andrew Tate go from zero to a million, a million to ten?
that you're comfortable sharing and beyond. Sure. So first thing we're going to do is we're going to address this webcam thing because everyone asks me about it. And a lot of people conflate my current scenario and the situation I'm in with my old webcam, but to see if they're not related at all.
Was that your first business? No. I had lots of different businesses. I did lots of different things.
I can give some general lessons, which I think perhaps are better.
And we can talk about general entrepreneurship.
But I want to address the webcam thing quickly because a lot of people think that was how I made all of my money. And that's not true at all. You make money by being perspicacious and indefatigable and you have to find
disruptive industries to a degree.
You have to be in before everybody else.
And I was involved in the webcam business long before it was mainstream and everybody else was doing it, which is why it was lucrative for me.
I am from the streets. I'm from the ghetto, effectively. I'm from a very bad area of England. I grew up in a single mother household. And everyone around me was dealing drugs and killing each other and
stabbing and breaking into houses and stealing cars. And all I did was drive traffic to web pages.
And I did what I had to do to get out.
and now based on my islamic reversion i'm not particularly proud of it but it's one of those things and you learn lessons along the way and i know i haven't done bad to anybody i don't know i don't know i shouldn't have to be sorry for it because the people around me were doing far worse
Jay-Z sold crack. Nobody gives him a hard time. It's crazy.
That was one of the ways I made money. Was that the first million? No.
Was that the first million?
I think I made a million before that but turnover and certainly not profit. But the first million in profit, the million I had in my bank, probably came a little bit after that.
But it's amazing, I guess the overview lessons I'm going to give,
It's actually amazing how general business strategy can apply to anything.
It doesn't matter if you're running a webcam business. It doesn't matter if you're running a car wash. If you understand the realities of how money moves and you understand the realities of business, you're always going to be successful.
And you need to be able to apply yourself and work hard and all these things, the basic cliches that everybody understands. But I think in the world today a lot of business has changed.
I'll be honest with you.
I actually think we're entering a brand new stage of how money is generated. And I think all of the old models of how money is generated are going to fall to the wayside pretty quickly.
- Such as? - I even think social media's gonna have to change. And I'm gonna say this here in case I'm totally wrong, and maybe I'll look like a fool, or maybe I'll look like a genius.
But up until this point, social media and all these large companies have made money by stealing your information and understanding how you act and operate by spying on you and then selling advertising.
Yeah.
And I feel like the advertising model is even starting to die. I feel like people who are most successful now using social media
are doing it by garnering attention virally.
So they're getting free advertising effectively. Right. And the old model of just pure advertising campaigns doesn't work anymore.
And as AI comes into play and as
Video content can be created from anywhere. As people decide to create their own realities and their own video games and their own movies they want to watch as opposed to watching anyone else's,
I don't know if anyone's going to be sitting there consuming these adverts like before or even responding to them.
I don't know who even responds to adverts on Google or YouTube or these things anymore like they used to. I just think the whole advertising model as a whole is going to fall.
And
They're gonna have to find a brand new way to monetize.
I do believe it's an attention economy we live in.
garner attention and find a way to monetize it off the back of it. But I don't think that the traditional advertising model of these social media companies is going to continue for a very long time. I think it's starting to fail.
And the reason I say that is I know a lot of people who run advertising campaigns now on Google and YouTube and these things.
And the returns they talk about compared to somebody who
lives true to themselves and has,
attention garnered via virality are minuscule.
And I don't think that the advertising model is going to continue to work for a very long time.
To make money in the world today, you need to prove brutal competence and you need to find a USP, which has always been the case. You need to find a way to garner attention, which has always been the case.
I feel like
When you say USP, you mean unique selling proposition? You need a USP. Yeah, you need a unique selling proposition.
But...
We're entering a very interesting stage. And the reason I'm talking about this specifically is inside of my school, Hustlers University, we teach artificial intelligence. And I think AI is going to come and wreck.
the majority of people in the next 10 to 10 to 15 years maximum, maybe even three to four years, if you're not implementing it in your business now.
Crypto was a disruptive industry.
And crypto was a play where if you believed in cryptocurrency early enough, you could have become monumentally wealthy.
But I think the proposition of believing in cryptocurrency
would have been a hard leap for most people to make. If you talked about bitcoin early on, it would have been like, okay, internet magic money that's outside of the banks. And it's going to go up. And I'm going to make money.
That's hard to believe. Yeah, there's no mental reference for it. There's no mental reference. However,
AI is a much easier jump.
I think most people at home understand that AI is coming here and it's going to be here to stay. It's going to change every single facet of how our
the world operates.
And you'd be a fool to not believe those things.
So,
you need to be in AI early like people got into crypto early. Crypto is a hard decision to make because it's a hard jump to make, but AI is an easy jump. And anyone who's not trying to build AI into their business right now, whether they're a plumber,
whether they're a barista, you can name anything. There has to be a way to get artificial intelligence involved in the company you're currently running and learn how artificial intelligence works.
because I think that's gonna be the future of the people who truly make it and those who don't.
And the reason is, is because they talk about...
removing the link between your time and your money, because if they're linked, you're going to run out of time and you're never going to be able to get rich if you sell your time for money. Right. But the machines never sleep.
And I'm already testing a whole bunch of theories and methods
allow us to use artificial intelligence to make a lot more money than we currently do
I can give you endless examples of it. I'll give you a very simple example.
Let me give you a hypothetical because I don't want to give away too many of my secrets. I have to be careful what I say. Let's imagine right now I had a sales team.
And I would -- I had a sales team of ten men.
I WOULD TRY TO BUILD MY OWN VERSION OF CHAT GPT OR MY OWN CHAT BOT OR I WOULD BE TRYING TO
Make sure that the artificial intelligence mind knows what it needs to know to answer questions. And I would compare it against my lowest salesman, my worst salesman, and see how it does.
Firstly, it's free, effectively. Secondly, it never needs to sleep and never needs holiday pay. And let's say it's only half as effective as my worst salesman.
That's fine if you can feed it double the leads. If you can find leads now at low enough cost,
You can
Make more money from a free machine than you can your lowest performing person. And deal with the logistical complexity and management. Absolutely. So is that worth a try? Yes. Because across the next two to three years, that machine is going to get better.
exponentially.
Is the person who has been working for you for 10 years and is still your lowest salesman ever going to truly get better? Probably not. And I think getting in early and being...
involved in this disruptive industry at a point now where
It's
not mainstream is going to be the difference between the companies that survive into the future and those that don't because just like Bitcoin, when everybody starts doing it,
A lot of the opportunity is going to disappear. And I think that it doesn't matter what industry you're thinking of getting involved in now or what you're thinking of doing. You should be looking at how you can use AI right now to make as much money as possible. And that's the advice I'm giving to people. And that's what we're teaching inside of our school as well in Hustlers University. Every single campus. We have a specific campus around artificial intelligence, which we teach. And every other campus, all the other money making methods, we also teach how to integrate AI with them. Because I think the future is actually going to be.
people who can't make any money at all.
and then people who know how to make the machines make money for them.
That's where I think we're going to end up. Perhaps that's the future I'm betting on. And if I'm wrong, I've already got enough money. So we'll see. Sam Altman from ChatGPT talks about he believes that there will be a billion dollar companies that are one, two, three, three person like companies. Why not? Let me ask you this. How important do you think building a personal brand is in 2024, 2025 and beyond to growing a business?
It's credibility.
which is one of the most important things. It's authenticity, which is one of the most important things. It comes with a lot of heat and a lot of smoke, which I don't think many people are prepared for.
And it depends what you're selling.
I mean, a personal brand is exactly that, a personal brand. If you have a company, then your company has a brand ethos. So you have to, what's the point of a brand in the first place? The point of a brand in the first place is,
credibility and relatability and authenticity. And trust. So it has to be done at some regard, at some level. You can decide if you want to hide behind a company to protect your personal life.
or if you can be the face of your company yourself and suffer. There's advantages and disadvantages to both.
your personal life suffers when you're a personal brand. True. But especially when you're Andrew Tate. Well, yeah, in my particular case. But then also there's been massive and monumental benefits. There are some good things about it. Right. So it depends what you want to do and what.
A lot of people ask me about personal branding and come and say, "Should I do a personal brand?" And I'd often argue that it doesn't matter if you should or not. Firstly, you can't do it.
Can you?
Can you do a personal brand?
And what do you reverse engineering or what are you optimizing for? You know what I mean? Well, yeah, but I mean, can you do a personal brand?
What about you as a person is going to get people vested in you?
And if you actually go down the rabbit hole and analyze it, you're going to realize that unless you've suffered and had a difficult life and have a bunch of interesting stories and war stories and all the things we're talking about, all the bad things,
you're going to suffer to build a personal brand anyway. If you're born into a rich family and your life goes well and everything's fine and now you have a bunch of money and you try and start a personal brand based on the fact that you have money, nobody's going to care. Nobody's interested in all the good things that have happened to you. And nobody's interested in how nice your life is.
Nobody cares.
If you show enough money, you can get some temporary interest, but not for long.
The only people who can build a brand off having a perfect life are women.
Look, I'm beautiful. Look, I'm in Louis Vuitton. Look, I'm skiing.
Chicks can do that because they're physically attractive. Men can't.
All the men you can name with truly strong personal brands have very interesting stories, and interesting stories usually involve
danger, risk, pain, suffering.
So, you say, "Oh, should I build a personal brand?" Well, can you? And if you can, you can't.
then perhaps you should consider it. But if you can't, then you have to sit and say, well,
How could I? And the only way you could is to suffer. Are you prepared to suffer
in the real world, not on the internet, not pretending to suffer on Twitter. Are you prepared to suffer in the real world, the genuine consequence and the genuine risk that it's gonna take for you to be interesting enough for people to sit and wanna listen to you?
for you to have a strong personal brand. That's the actual question when people say about personal branding.
because
Batman's personal brand is kicking everyone's ass. And he only did that because his parents got killed. So you have to decide. Do you want to have your -- would you choose to have your parents killed to be Batman at that level?
Because I think a lot of personal branding, especially at the beginning,
At the beginning of personal branding, you could buy a fast car and that was it. You could rent a car and talk some shit.
But everyone's bored of that now.
I kind of feel like I've raised the bar and kind of ruined it for everyone. It's kind of -- One million percent. It's kind of hard now to like be interesting to like, yeah, but did they throw you in a dungeon in Romania? No, boring. Do you have a Bugatti? Yeah, I kind of ruined it. Yeah, do you have a Bugatti? Lambo broke.
No, but like...
The reason I ask is because we have a big part of our audience. We have a newsletter. We have a school community.
and we teach different parts of personal branding. So I'm curious if you have any tips
Obviously, no one's going to have that. Yeah, go suffer. There's my tips for you. Go suffer. And share those stories in an empowering way with people. Go suffer and tell people all the lessons you learned along the way. And people will respect you knowing that you've been through something which is difficult. Respect has always lied on the other side of fear.
It still does right now. The reason we all watched a big boxing match and have so much respect for the men who get in there is because it's scary to do. And even if you don't cerebrally sit and think, "I would be scared to fight in Madison Square Garden in front of all these people,"
Well then go sign up for a fight and you'll learn very quickly that you are scared because now you've even just started training for it. You're nowhere near the event and you're nervous all the time and you don't want to do it because it's terrifying.
Respect lies on the other side of fear. So people are going to respect you if you do things that they'd be scared to do themselves. And then they're going to say, well, I don't want to go through that because that sounds scary. That sounds terrible. Let me at least try and get the lessons from it.
And he's gone through it so I can learn from his experience or I can learn from his mistake. I think as...
AI
We're talking about them replacing salesmen. Well, AI could replace a lot of personal brands too now. ChatGPD is pretty good. Some people are so basic and so vapious and so thin
that chat gpt could talk the same kind of garbage they talk unless you have some suffering to anchor to how can you have any kind of personal brand at all yeah it's and maybe i'm just talking
from my own experience because my brand is built on pain and suffering and maybe i'm trying to cope my way for having all the bad things happen to me that have happened to me
But if I didn't have them all,
I don't know what I'd talk about. Would people listen? Would people care? But what would I talk about? I have a fast car.
Okay, I have a fast car. But the coolest thing about me having a fast car is I grew up with absolutely nothing. The coolest thing about me having a fast car is that they tried to take it off me and threw me in a dungeon. The coolest thing about me having a fast car is when I'm going to get back in it after they failed to seize it off me when I was on an Interpol red notice for garbage. That's the cool part of it. Without the dark, there's no light. Yeah.
There's no appreciation for the light. It's interesting. It's like, you know, kind of like, you know, we're working on getting Dana White on the podcast, Conor McGregor on the podcast.
And so many people love Connor's story because it's classic. You know, he was a plumber in Ireland.
And he came from very humble beginnings, dirt poor, was trying to figure out how to make it work. And now the story is, you know, people champion him because they see versions of themselves in him, right? In their low situation, their low challenge.
You know, and then today he's, you know, obviously been the biggest thing ever. What are your thoughts on Conor McGregor? I like Conor. Have you ever talked to him or connected with him? Yeah, I have to be careful who I say I know. But I've yet to meet him in person. But I like Conor. I have respect for anybody who stands up for what they believe in. And I, truthfully, even if you disagree with me on every single subject, if you stand up for what you believe in and you act remotely, honorably, I have respect for you as a person. And it takes a lot of different...
types of people to keep the world functioning. I don't like snakery and I don't like
deception and I don't like dishonesty, but I feel like Connor
I'm sure we don't agree on everything. I feel like he's an honest person. He probably says what he means and means what he says.
And that's enough for me to get my base respect as a man.
He has another fight coming up soon. We'll see how that goes. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe after we'll organize a little round table, me, you and Connor. Wouldn't that be something? That would be a very interesting conversation. We'll see how that one goes. I'll work on it. But yeah, you're right. His affinity was with the common man, because he comes from a common place, as do I.
But I feel like if you're trying to build a personal brand, you need, I think people now,
are looking for
I think the internet landscape is also changing because I don't think people are looking to be just entertained anymore. Three or four years ago, even five years ago, you could be entertaining.
and people care right because
Life wasn't perhaps as difficult as it was. Inflation wasn't so high, whatever you want to call it. But they just watch a show and go, OK, he's being a clown. I'm entertained. Fine. I think people are looking for answers now. I think people are looking for solutions. And they're only going to believe and trust in the answers you give them if you've tried and tested them, which requires suffering.
I think that the internet landscape is changing. People aren't so interested in watching people just have fun anymore. People aren't so interested in watching these idiots just put on makeup anymore. Now they want a solution for their problem because their rent is due and it must be paid. Well, how do we find a person we can trust and why can we trust him?
And the easiest answer is, well, because I've been through X, Y, and Z. That's how you prove you can be trusted. How do you prove you have discipline? Run a marathon. Then you can prove you have discipline. So for all the people who listen to your newsletter who want a personal brand, okay, go do something extremely difficult and tell them about it and tell them what you learned and prove you did it. And then do something else and continue to compound all those difficult things in your life until you become a better version of yourself, which makes you more competent, which also amplifies your success and everything works together. And before you know it, you have a huge personal brand.
But if you don't suffer, if you don't go through pain, I don't know how you're even gonna have one anymore.
Well said. Well said. Now, what industries would Andrew Tate get into? Obviously, if you didn't have the heat of the universe and the matrix on you.
and you were
the average common man trying to come up in present day.
whatever, 20s, 30s, 40s, restarting, what industries would you look at?
-
as the biggest opportunity in 2024, 2025 and beyond? Yeah, I think that--
Aside from the double window industry, you're saying, right? Yeah, double glazing. Double glazed window industry, yeah.
It's interesting because
I feel like
a lot of the attention geopolitically
is going to be moving towards the global south in the second and third world and i think a lot of people understand there's always been more opportunity in the second and third world than the first world where a lot of things are wrapped up i think the internet is giving a lot of access to these places that perhaps didn't exist before absolutely i think our official intelligence involved in these places is also going to be
extremely important.
- Okay.
I feel like
Selling information or being the barrier to information is a fantastic way to get wealthy in the world today. There's a lot of people who
want
things explained to them in a very concise, very quick, very compendious way. And if you can take information which is perhaps freely available that takes
an hour to explain and explain it in 30 seconds or less, you're going to find a way to monetize that. Right. Especially if you can draw attention to yourself and make it clear how much time you can save people. Right. Especially if you could use artificial intelligence to get that 30 seconds down to 25 seconds.
right there's there's actually endless opportunity if you're prepared to work i don't think that you
the problem is a lack of opportunity and I don't really even truly believe in saturated markets
I still think that a lot of people will look at
a lot of internet businesses and go, oh, it's saturated. Let's take something that people have been doing for a while.
Copywriting.
Copywriting, everyone's been trying to copyright. Everyone's done it.
Well, I would argue that there's a bunch of people right now making money from copywriting as we speak.
who are idiots and who are lazy.
and they are still making money so there's no such thing as a saturated market because there's always a huge subsect of that market
which
are very easy to outcompete if you try your best. And they're living from it, which means you could take most of their business. There's always a bottom percentile. So I think that you should be...
looking to
When I say -- I've said this on many podcasts before about selling information or garnering attention. But I don't want people to confuse that with being a clown. Which is very different things.
I think that if you're prepared to suffer and you're prepared to show that your brand or your personal brand stands up for something,
and you have information which people
than believe they need.
you're going to be very successful in the world today.
Yeah.
And I love that you bring up not only AI, but second and third world countries, because, you know, geo arbitrage is something very huge, right?
For example, I'm a partner in a recruiting company called A1.
and we help people get people on their teams at a much more cost effective price compared to a lot of the labor in the US.
people overseas whether salespeople, admin assistants, customer support. Right. There's a reason these billion dollar companies are doing it because they see the value in it. Where do you see the labor force of second door countries.
And, you know, using that to grow the business. You know, what are your personal thoughts on that? My personal thoughts are I don't know how people in the first world aren't extremely concerned.
You were being replaced by
effectively foreign call centers for a while. That's something that's been going on for a while. And now we have artificial intelligence coming. And most people are so boring and uninteresting. And they have not suffered enough to be unique.
Therefore, they're going to soon be replaced by a free chatbot.
It's a free chat bot that could already replace a large subsect of the population as we stand right now. Imagine we're going to be in two or three years from now.
I think the average person in the Western world hasn't woken up and realized everything's becoming more expensive and your currency's inflated. And there's no chance that anyone's going to fix it for you. And they're out to replace you. People from the second and third world who will work harder than you for less money. Do a great job. And do a great job. Absolutely. And the robots are coming. And they're going to replace you for even less than the second worlders want. And you're sitting there thinking you don't have to be exceptional. And you don't have to learn to think outside the box. You don't have to suffer in any way to become a unique person. And you're just going to somehow, what, pay your bills? No, you're not.
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destruction is coming for you and then you're going to become a useless person because you're not going to have a job that you're prepared to do at the price that people are prepared to pay. And once you become a useless person, you have to sit and go further down the rabbit hole of history and see what's happened to all the people of earth that were useless. What happened to all the people who had dreams and aspirations and who had dreams and aspirations.
and expectations
and they were no good to those in power.
Because I can tell you,
Yeah, work that one out. You're going to see very quickly that you're not going to exist for very long.
It's-- and, bro,
When I saw that Sora AI thing, this is to all the cameramen in the room.
including my guy,
I saw that Sora AI thing. I was like, bro, even camera guy's gonna be gone soon. Hollywood's gone. Actors are gone. Yeah. Script writers are gone. Right. Everyone's gonna lose their job.
Everyone. You have to be sitting there. And I don't know if the average cameraman is sitting saying,
"They're gonna replace me with this, maybe not now,
maybe not in a year, but certainly in two, they're going to be able to ask a robot for the thing I would take months to film, and the robot's going to spit it out instantly. So how do I, A, integrate this with my skills,
so that when they want to use the robot, instead of asking the robot directly, they ask me because they can get a better result via me. How do I use AI along with my camera skills so I can continue to retain my job? Or two, how do I diversify? What can I do that this robot can't do currently or I don't believe it will be able to do into the future?
But the average camera guy doesn't give a shit.
"Oh, camera guy Sora, yeah, that's cool."
Do-do-do, do-do-do-do, off the cliff. Oh, I didn't see it coming. How did this happen to me? Why am I unemployed?
You're a useless eater now. Enjoy the concentration camp.
That's what's going to happen. So you have to be paying attention and thinking worst case scenario. They're coming for absolutely everybody and everything.
And a lot of these personal brands, unless they're built on the back of a whole ton of suffering, I think they're going to suffer also. I don't know how...
they're going to have a personal brand based on just
talking motivational quotes. I haven't even done this. Someone should go to ChatGPT and say something philosophical and motivational.
which inspires me.
And I guarantee you can start reading things and go, "Crap, that's pretty good. Oh no, that's pretty good. It'll be scary to read." You know, that's not enough anymore.
You need to get shot six times, probably, to even have a Twitter account in the future.
This is the reality we're coming to. It's an unfortunate one, but it's true. You need to learn to diversify. So, we're going to have a lot of people.
I would argue that the people who are not going to be
You can take any mundane job.
It doesn't matter how mundane it is.
I would argue that within
10 to 15 seconds, I would find a way to implement AI and put me in a better position than all the people around.
And don't worry, Quinn, we're going to keep you on the video crew. Don't worry. No, no, fire him.
Quinn's the man, one of the best video editors in the business. Absolutely. And that's the amazing thing, but I'm just saying that
It's an inevitable reality that people have to learn how to work with it. It's an inevitable reality, and I don't think most people are even considering that they're replaceable or going to be replaced. And seeing it early enough to pivot and make it work, absolutely. It needs to cross your mind. The one good thing about something like artificial intelligence is if you position yourself now, if you get in a position where you can use it before other people can...
Then people will hire you to use it for them. Work with the machines. You don't have to work against them. You can work with them. But firstly, you need to learn how to use it. And we will teach you inside of Hustles University, which you can access. But once again, most people are stupid, lazy or arrogant. Our official intelligence is not too hard to use.
You can join our school and we'll teach you exactly how to use it.
only 5% of people will be too stupid to do it.
The majority of people are too lazy to do it. They're too lazy to join my school. They'll sit here and listen to this whole podcast. And then I'll say, I have a school which will teach you how to use the machines to print you money.
And they're still too lazy to go and learn. And they're going to wonder why they're broke forever. Or they're too arrogant.
I don't need the AI. Oh, yeah, it's probably something that'll exist and it won't affect me.
Good luck, friend.
Yeah, that's a good point. I love that you guys make it an affordable price point.
And people can-- It's $49 a month. There's absolutely no excuse at all. The only reason people do not benefit from Muscles University and make enough money to escape the matrix is because they're lazy or arrogant. And you guys have hundreds of thousands of-- Hundreds of thousands of students. Recurring revenue.
recurring revenue.
I think this morning. I'll let people do the math. Yeah. We're doing okay. Now, okay, question I have for you. And we didn't touch on -- based on this. But I think we're going to talk about the question.
When you were young, was it a big dream to be rich as fuck?
Yes.
Because money is freedom.
And anybody who says they don't care about being rich is saying they don't care about being free.
What was the dream for you, though? Freedom.
Money is freedom. Anyone who says, "I don't care about money, I don't care about fancy things." It's not about fancy things. It's the ability to go where you want and sleep where you want and say what you want and think what you want and talk to who you want.
and even get the girl you want, and drive the car you want, and eat the food you want.
To sit and say I don't care about money is to say I don't care about my own personal freedom. I have no problems being a slave and being constrained by the financial system.
and being told what to do because I don't have any desire to be free.
What books did you read to cultivate that desire early on when you decided you wanted to get rich? I'm not really a big reader. I just understood that there was a version of reality that I had yet to experience. I saw my parents struggle to pay the bills and I saw my friends struggle to pay the bills. And I saw everyone around me unable to eat. And then I saw certain people with $500,000 cars. And I understood there must be a different version of reality. There must be a version of making money, a version of banking, of finance, of education, of knowledge, of network, of connections that existed outside the matrix.
me and everyone's poor, this is garbage. That world, I can see people are living a reality that I can't even fathom. I couldn't even imagine having $500,000 for a car. Or a $500,000 watch.
or 20 of them.
But I couldn't imagine it. How many watches do you have?
How many watches do Decot have? Or I have? Decot took my entire watch collection when they arrested me. I had 21 diamond watches and they took them all. And my first phone call from jail was to order them all again. Because it annoyed me that they had all my watches. What do you love about watches?
I just wanted my watches back.
So I spent another, I think it was
Seven?
million dollars on a bunch more watches from the jail cell. So now if I get my things back from the court, I'll have two of every watch, which would be cool. Noah's Ark. Yeah, I'll have two of every one. Noah's Ark. I like that. Noah's Ark. Two of every one. Batman, Batgirl. Now, what was your first luxury watch? Do you remember? My first luxury watch wasn't even that luxury. It was a Hublot for 12,100 pounds I bought in Westfields, London. And I remember walking past and I had
15,000 pounds in the bank, which
to me at the time was a whole bunch of money. And I saw it and I remember thinking, "Who can spend 12 grand on a watch, just buy a watch?"
And I thought, well, technically I could, but it's all my savings. But technically I could, so I did it.
No, you said "Fuck it" did it? Just "fuck it" did it. Yeah, spent my money. How old were you?
20...
Four?
Something like that. And of course, everyone around you, honey, why'd you do that? Your mom? Of course. Don't just spend all your money. Are you crazy? It's only for a watch.
Did it level you up mentally?
I've never really respected money like that. I've never really believed in saving money.
I don't think you can't save it faster than they can print it.
I think there's always a better way to blast money into something. Do you do anything to, at least early on, did you do anything to stay money motivated? I know there's a lot of people who talked about,
know when they have reserves of cash to spend it reinvest in themselves to level up not saying you did that per se but
Was that a part of it, like stretching yourself to level up kind of thing? I know what you're saying.
Yes is the answer, but I don't think it was thought of in that way. I literally just didn't respect money.
I just thought if I'm smart enough to make this money now, future Andrew will be smart enough to make more later, so it's going to be fine. I think that saving money is a scarcity mindset, and to a degree it's fear.
I need to keep my money because in the future I might need it. It's just being a pussy. If I need money in the future, I'll go make it.
So I'm going to spend it all now. And if I need money, I'll go make some money. And if I don't know how to make money, even better because then I'll think of a new way to make money. I just never approached it from that fearful angle. And I literally looked at the watch and thought, "Who can spend 12 grand on just a watch?" And then I realized that I technically could but shouldn't.
So I did it.
And I was happy for like a full 45 minutes. And then I thought, well, this is
kind of
I mean, maybe I shouldn't have done this. What other watches in the collection do you have after that? Oh, I have everything you can name now. I have a bunch of Pateks, a bunch of-- I don't like RMs.
- Yeah.
But this is another thing that's weird. You know what's really weird about being famous? You have to be super careful what you say. It's weird. Like I can sit here and name all the watches I have and like, right? What I will do is boost the price of those watches and those watches will begin to sell. And I'm not getting paid off of that. And then I'll say a brand I don't like. And then I'll meet the owner of that brand and he'll be in a bad mood with me. And I'll be like, sorry, bro. I didn't mean to damage your business. I just don't particularly like those watches. So you end up sitting here thinking, you have to be careful what you say. It's the same thing with cars. People say, you have 59 cars. What's your favorite car?
I was like, I meet the CEOs of these car companies. I can't sit and say which car is crap, and which car is good. I mean, I could. - Can you say what are your top five, Andrew Tate's top five cars?
Yes, I can do that.
It depends what for.
They're all good at different things. I have 59 cars and people ask me what do I need 59 cars for? And I try and explain. It's like having 59 different types of cutlery.
You know, you can have a fork, a spoon, a knife.
and whatever other kinds. It depends what you're eating. Sometimes the spoon is the best. Sometimes the fork is the best. Sometimes the knife is the best. It depends what you're eating.
But,
My favorite car,
is 812 Ferrari. I think that is my favorite car. I love I love Ferrari. So I got I got a handshake. I think that might be the best super fast. Yeah. I think it's the best car overall, because
It does so many things amazingly.
But if I had to race myself around a track, then it would be a 765 McLaren.
That is the fastest car, but it's not the best car. People think fastest is the best. That's not the case. So what are the top five? What would you name them, give or take?
I would say 765, 812, and then...
I'd probably choose three Aston Martins because I just love Aston Martins. James Bond? Yeah, that's me.
That's the James Bond in you, huh? That's right. I like the SF90 Ferrari as well, to be fair to it. Yeah, the Stradale SF90 Stradale. But I love all my cars. I can't choose. It's like trying to choose between my wives. You can't make me do that on camera. I don't know. They're all good at different things. Do you want dessert? Do you want dinner? Like, what do you want massage? You know, it's different things. What was your first supercar? Yeah. I was like, I don't know.
My first supercar was an Aston Martin Vantage.
Really? Yeah. And I spent all of my money.
When I say all of my money, I didn't have gas.
all of my money on an Aston Martin. I thought, I don't need a nice place to live. I have an Aston Martin. How old were you? I'll get girls anyway. I don't need gas. I'll just borrow gas money. I was borrowing gas money off my girlfriend.
No way. Yeah. We worked a normal job in a spa for my Aston Martin Vantage at like 23, 24, around similar, just after the watch incident. I made some more money and spent all my money. So I had this nice watch, this nice car, no money at all.
Best days and you feel like the pressure. I miss them. Do you feel like the pressure of that leveled you up? I know that wasn't the intention per se.
But I mean, the fact because I've heard that a lot, like I've even heard Trump talk about early on. He had friends and business associates.
who they'd fly first class even if it was a stretch because it became the new standard. And then you start operating and making business moves to keep up that standard. Versus trying to hang on to what you got. Completely. Absolutely. You're right. You put pressure on yourself and you have bills to pay and you have no money in the bank and it has to be done. And hedonistic adaptation is a real thing.
It's amazing how quickly you can
Adapt.
to a new standard of life and no longer appreciate it. I'll give you a very simple example. When I first started flying private, the first couple times, it was like, whoa, we haven't got away in the airport. Da-da-da. Now it's just flying.
and it's inconvenient, it's annoying.
Yeah, I can't. I'm on a private jet. Everyone's like, wow, we're going to project all these girls. I'm like, I hate flying.
So you get used to it. Hedonistic adaptation is a real thing. And it's good that you say this because the human mind is not very good at going backwards.
You can drive a Toyota and be relatively happy, but to drive an Aston Martin and then drive a Toyota
is a lot more difficult for your soul to accept.
So, it's good to put yourself in things like first class and these things and push yourself. But then you don't want to put yourself in these positions if you're a lazy idiot. You don't want to spend all your money on first class and then go home and go to sleep. Because then you're going to end up broke. So, you have to know within yourself. If you're the kind of person who knows you're going to try your absolute best all the time and you're going to find a way to succeed, then yeah.
So you were never big at saving money?
I don't think I've ever saved money in my life. I don't save money now.
If I have money in the bank, it's because I accidentally didn't spend it.
If I get paid hundreds of millions of dollars,
and I haven't managed to spend it all, then I guess I've saved. But I didn't think, "Well, let me take this a bit and put this here."
No. I accidentally saved because I've run out of things to buy after 59 supercars and all these houses and 20 diamond watches. And you buy them all cash. Yeah, all cash. I don't have any finance, any loans on anything.
Now I own everything I could possibly ever desire. I guess I accidentally saved money.
It's an accident. There's nothing left to buy. There's nothing left to buy. I focus on making as much as possible. I have zero concerns for saving. It's not something I really -- I don't know.
crosses my mind. What about reinvesting or investments? Was that something you thought of? I mean, clearly not early on when you're buying Rolex. This is another thing that's interesting because
If you're successful at any business, you end up in the real estate business because you have to put your money somewhere. Exactly. So you end up buying a bunch of houses because there's nothing else to buy. You have to.
And people, often broke people, will sit and say, oh, if I was rich, I'd just buy a few houses and then I'd have a house here and a house there. Cash flow. Not understanding that those houses need to be maintained and there's property taxes and there's work and your tenant didn't pay rent. You got to turn up with AK-47s and kick him out. And
It's headache, it's work and then it's international.
Bork people always say, I'd have a house in Spain and a house in Miami. Oh, I'm sure you would. And what happens when your house in Spain is broken into and you don't visit it for six months?
And it's full of squatters doing heroin. Like it's work, these investments. So, you know,
Real estate's a headache.
And then a lot of other things on paper
which is not even real money, the stocks, bonds, all these
garbage things on pieces of paper, they're great if you can find a way to keep hold of them. Because please remember at any point in time, it's the same with real estate to be honest, at any point in time a judge who you've never heard of can stamp a piece of paper and decide that you don't belong.
You don't deserve your things you've worked for anymore. They don't belong to you.
You can buy a whole bunch of stocks and bonds and real estate, and then you can piss the government off and then
Whichever agency can go to a judge and say you're a bad person.
And the judge who's never met you, who doesn't give a shit, will stamp an order to confiscate your wealth.
And there'll be a new piece of paper that comes to your door and says, "This house you paid for ain't yours now."
And you'll say,
What was that then? So you don't even own any of that.
Gold is hard to transport, it's heavy.
Cash is difficult, you can't really deal with cash anymore.
Yeah.
There are some things I've found
But I bet.
Andrew Tate's investing tips. - I have to wait until I'm free from the matrix attack. If I tell you what I've found, they're gonna look for it.
Right. You have to think outside the box.
I mean, but real estate is great. But you have to sit and understand that. What type of real estate? Can you talk about that? I can talk about this.
If you're a man with balls, you're going to piss your government off.
And when you piss your government off, they're going to come and take your house. And if you're sitting here saying, no, I'm not going to piss my government off, Andrew, because I'm not going to get famous on the Internet and tell them they're all idiots like you do because I'm a lot more sensible than you. Well, I will say the following, sir.
when they come with COVID 2.0,
and they tell you to put a mask on and you don't put it on, and you get a fine for not putting on your mask, a $200 fine, and you refuse to pay that $200 fine because you know it's unjust,
They will go and put it to a bailiff, and they'll put the fine up. They'll add more money on top, and they'll put a court date on it, and they'll continue to amplify this fine until it's in the thousands and thousands. And you'll refuse to pay it, and then you'll go to court in front of a judge, and you'll explain to the judge why you didn't pay it. And the judge will tell you you should have paid it because it's public health and it's very important. You'll say, "I'm not going to pay this. This is garbage. I don't have to wear a mask. I'm a full-grown man." And eventually, you'll get to a point where they say, "Fine. We're going to settle this debt you owe us."
We're going to take your house.
This is what's going to happen.
look at Canada if you don't believe me
Look at the truckers.
who tried to stand up for freedom. They all lost their houses, lost their pets, had their dogs euthanized. No one talks about it anymore.
Yeah. Everyone just forgot. Oops.
So you don't own anything anyway.
You don't own the house. You don't own the investments.
You don't own anything but your heart and your soul and who you are. You don't own anything but your faith in God. And you own the skills you learn along the way. The best investment you could do if you're a kid and you managed to make $5 million is reinvest in learning how to speak properly, dress properly, train a personal trainer, learn how to fight, be strong, be interesting, and then go suffer somewhere.
Go to Tibet and live with a bunch of monks for six months and come back with some stories.
That's worth $5 million because it's hard to take from you.
Unless they put you in jail,
You are now worth money. You are.
But for you to buy a $5 million house and go, I've got an investment. Great. You have an investment as long as you shut up.
If you shut up and be a pussy, you own an investment. Congratulations.
And as the enslavement continues,
As it gets worse and worse, the barrier of
or the the the parameter of what you're going to be allowed to say is going to get tighter and tighter and tighter
Right now, we can argue.
sitting here and make fun of people who say men can get pregnant.
Our grandchildren's grandchildren will not be able to argue that point. It'll be an accepted fact that men can get pregnant,
And if you argue against it, you're a bigot and you're dangerous.
and your QR code on your forehead
will be scanned by the facial recognition camera on the corner to let everyone know that you -- it'll come up somewhere on a billboard, bigot, bad person. The AI machine will let everybody know that you're a thought criminal. That's what's gonna come. So you have to be very prepared for these things. And
Trying to invest money is actually one of the most stressful things in my life.
It's stressful for me. It's kind of interesting. I've gone from completely broke to looking at my, to looking, I don't have a bank.
to
to seeing some money somewhere in the millions and millions and millions of dollars and realizing that I don't want to leave it liquid. I need to put it somewhere and trying to find a place I can put it where it won't be stolen from me.
Yeah.
It's hard.
It's harder than people think. It's not easy. What do you do with it?
It's difficult. And then you realize you need all these complicated legal structures and frameworks and
You need to get lawyers from seven countries and accountants. You have to go through all this Aikido and backflips and insanity just to try and
Protect your assets. Protect anything. Yeah.
It's a crazy world, and that's why it always makes me laugh when people who have no money say, if I had your money, I'd just sit on a beach and I'd buy a few houses and live off the rental income. I never thought of that, genius. Oh, wow, you're so smart. No wonder you're broke.
So you think it's better to focus on the business? I think it's better to focus on yourself.
I think it's better to focus on who you are. I mean, if you live behind a brand or if there's a brand you can reinvest in your business, reinvest in your brand, yeah, that's fine.
But if you learn how to speak correctly, that's always going to be a net benefit. If you're as strong as physically possible, that will always be a net benefit. If you have interesting stories of suffering, if you can go through things that other people can't go through, that will always be a net benefit. If you have a strong network of people who know things and have connections, perhaps you know a guy who owns a bank in Lithuania,
then that's going to be a net benefit so if you get a bunch of money and you want to invest your first investments should be in a personal trainer and training as hard as possible going out there and suffering in some way trying to join a private members club so you can get access to people who actually have importance in the world you need to invest in yourself because it's it's hard to take things from you yeah
You become the asset. Because I'm me. I know I can never go broke because I'm me.
If they allow me to talk, unless they cut out my tongue, I'll make money.
There will always be a company who will pay me to mention them.
So I'm fine, because I'm me. - How do you think the story ends?
with you, the matrix, because there's so much heat on you.
I can't imagine a world where a year from now, two years, five years, ten years from now, people don't forever know the name Andrew Tate. Yeah. You know, escaping the Matrix, is there a world where you're left alone and they go, well,
We just let him go. There's no jail. There's no people trying. Like how do you see it ending?
in a semi-peaceful way where
I don't think a lot of it's up to me.
It's up to Allah.
Absolutely.
Since the dawn of human time, if you were a kingdom, if you were a king, you had a kingdom and your kingdom was under attack.
So there's no such thing as having an empire without being attacked.
It doesn't matter if you were the Ottoman Empire, it doesn't matter if you were the British Empire. If you had an empire, the fringes of your empire were constantly being tested and you were constantly being attacked.
The attacks come with the success. I think that is a universal constant.
I think that there is a global awakening of consciousness happening right now as we speak.
which is going to make it harder for them to attack me.
I feel like certain political decisions, depending which presidents win and which direction society goes, will depend on how
big of a public enemy.
remain.
I think my current legal case, I'm going to win.
but I think it was a warning shot.
We believe in you, brother. - Thank you, bro. I think it was a warning shot.
And I think if they hit me again, they won't let me off.
And I don't think people at home understand that when
a judicial decision
affects
the reputation of nations.
It's not just about whether the person is innocent or guilty anymore.
If you have a person
who will affect
the public consciousness in regards to believing in the mainstream media, and affect the reputation of an entire sovereign nation,
depending on whether he goes to jail
or is innocent.
They don't sit there and think, is he innocent or not? They sit there and think, what's the fallout?
for this person to walk. - If we let him go. - If we let him go. - It's not even about you anymore. - It's not about you now. - It's about setting an example. If someone tries to be as loud as Andrew. - It's about so many things bigger than your innocence. - Right. - They can look and say, well, he is innocent, but this country will look bad. This government will look bad.
This federal agency will look bad. This MSM will look bad. He's going to be more powerful than ever. He's going to have more influence. People are going to believe what he says. He's going to be able to cause this much trouble. They don't even look at innocence anymore.
They look at the consequences of your innocence.
and then they decide, well, you know what?
there's too much fallout for him to be innocent so he has to be guilty
Yeah. Stop out.
law. People don't understand this. I think I'll beat this one, but I think it's a warning shawl, and I think that if I continue to upset them,
They're going to come again, and that one I won't beat because they won't let me.
I think this one they're going to do relatively fairly.
Fair.
I say fair as if I haven't suffered enough. But they're going to consider this a warning shot. Warning shot, Andrew, only three months in a Romanian dungeon and five months on house arrest and all of your assets stolen in two and a half years and $11 million in legal fees.
that's your warning shot. Mess with us again, you're going to that room, you're not getting out.
That's what I believe is going to happen.
which will be a fun story because we both know I'm not going to shut up. How do you sleep at night with this kind of pressure?
I don't feel like I have any other choice for the same reason you can walk outside knowing you might get struck by lightning.
because I don't feel like if I shut up, I would be a happy person. I don't feel like that's who I am. So I feel like I have to tell the truth of what I believe.
And I'm just going to have to suffer.
The consequences of it. I don't feel like I have an option. If I had a choice, perhaps I'd be sitting in bed at night worried about, should I do this? But because I know I have to do it, you have to go outside, lightning might strike you.
It is what it is. So the pressure is there and it's real. And I'm sure there's going to be a day I end up in a jail for a very long time and I'm going to.
perhaps consider
the idea of regret.
For a fraction of a second, I'll consider the possible idea of regret. But it's not who I am. Knowing you know what you are. I know what's going to come. I've just resigned to it. It's fine.
It's fine. It's part of my story, and it's going to make a great story to do it.
Do it.
The worst thing they could do is kill me now.
It just proves me right.
I'm not gonna know. I'll be dead. Go on, kill me. I just resigned to it. What's the point in being alive as a man if you don't live for anything bigger than yourself anyway? Am I gonna live for myself and just hedonistically
What, eat ice cream? Like a girl? Yeah. "Oh, I'm rich now, so I'm just gonna eat ice cream all day."
No, I'm going to tell the truth. And if I have to suffer for it, then that's the consequences is fine.
Do you have nightmares at night? Do you have these? Not anymore. I used to when I first got out of jail. Because I thought they were going to throw me back pretty quickly.
But I've been out for a while now and my nightmares are gone.
I'm kind of sad about that. I miss them.
Do you meditate, pray? What do you do to-- I get what you're saying about there's no other option. You're committed, you're all in.
to share with the world your philosophies.
Is there any...
like anchors you do to kind of keep the zen, if you will.
I've adopted all of that into my everyday life. I don't have time to sit and deliberately do something specific to keep myself grounded.
What do you do for fun? I'm I'm I'm ready for all of it all of the time.
You know, maybe I've lost my mind. I'm ready right now for someone to walk in here and for us to all fight to the death.
and end up covered in blood, I'm ready also to have a nice meal.
smoke a cigar to a podcast.
ready to go home and make some money,
Ready to go make another child with my beautiful girlfriend. Ready to drive my Ferrari or my Aston Martin or my Lamborghini.
I'm ready for it all. I'm permanently ready for all states of life. It's fine.
And as for fun,
Not sure I believe in fun.
It's fun a thing.
Is FunReel? Isn't that just made up?
I'm not sure what fun is. I really, truly enjoy purpose much more than fun.
If you were to say to me, Andrew, this will be fun.
Or I could clear my notifications on my laptop. I'd probably choose to clear my notifications.
gives me a sense of peace. Peace is fun.
And when your life is chaotic like mine, it's only peace that will be truly valuable. I do like to drive super fast cars. I drive cars around. That's fun to give a simple answer. But truthfully, I look for peace all of the time because my life is chaos and my life is war.
most fun thing I could do,
is nothing.
The most fun thing I could do
Let's go to the Dolomites in Italy and stay in a five-star hotel and overlook the Alps, sit with one or two or four or five beautiful women in my bed.
and just do nothing.
That is the most fun. Going to a club is not fun. Going out and trying to find fun is what you do when your life is not chaotic enough. When your life is truly chaotic,
Fun is doing nothing.
And I have plenty of chaos. I had a conversation with a girl the other day and she was talking about swimming with
And I was explaining to her that she's crazy.
And I would never do that. She said, oh, but it's exciting. It's dangerous. And I said, see, this is how you know you have a nice life.
When your life
makes you want to go swim with sharks because you're looking for danger and excitement that shows your everyday life is nice.
When I leave here, I have to make it all the way out of the hotel without getting assassinated or arrested.
I'm going to be nervous, I'm going to be on edge, and I'm not going to be happy until I'm in my armored car with my armed guards. That's swimming with sharks, walking to the car.
That's my life now.
I'm stressed walking to a car.
I do not need to go anywhere near any sharks, stressed enough.
So fun is doing nothing. Doing nothing is fun. How about Mario Kart? I know I've seen videos where you play some video games. One of the video guys.
who works with me.
is so ridiculously good at mario kart it upsets me in my heart i've only played him once yeah and i can't stand losing
And it was so ridiculous.
We had to spar afterwards. I had to beat him up.
They upset me deep. I've never played since, and I never will.
He's the best. It's funny. I ask because we're actually thinking about starting like a video game streaming thing on kicker, Twitch, whatever. We're talking about interviewing people while playing the video games. So it's cool. We'll have to play Mario Kart, perhaps.
- All right, not "Morto Kart." - All right, not "Morto Kart." There's a couple games I'm okay at, but I'm not a video gamer. - Yeah. - But if you do start that channel, let me know, we'll see what we can do. - How about "FIFA"?
I don't know. I can't play FIFA. I've only ever played Super Smash Brothers. Super Smash Brothers? Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, yeah.
How about Mario Party?
Never played it. Never played that game. I've been busy. I was in jail, bro. We didn't have Nintendo in Romanian jail. We just..
Unfortunately. No, it makes sense. It's not English jail. I'm sure in English jail you get a Nintendo and a flat screen TV and everything.
- Well the reason I ask is because I'm so curious,
You talk about beating the matrix and you have
the world on your side and obviously you have people in power that are not exactly on your side
But I'm curious for you-- To interrupt you, sorry.
While the people in power on anyone's side,
Does anybody...
in any country in the West now agree with anything their politicians do. There's a judge. I'm actually asking this question. Every time I see a politician talk, I think you will not find a single person on the street who agrees with that crap.
We don't want to bomb these countries.
We don't want to give money to these places. None of these things they're doing, anybody wants us to do.
Democracy in action, huh?
I don't-- they're not on my side, they're not on anybody's side.
It doesn't matter if you're in France, Germany, England, or America. I can't find a single democratic nation
where any of the decisions they make benefit their own people ever and anybody agrees with it at all.
It's a miracle that's still being...
It still operates. It's a miracle somehow they're still pulling it off, where they stand in front of us and go,
You're all gonna pay loads of taxes.
We're not going to fix your roads. You can't afford to eat groceries. We're giving a hundred billion to someone else. Thanks.
Bye. Going home now for the day. Oh, and my wages have been put up.
doo doo doo doo. What the? This cloud world. Of course they're against me. They're against everybody.
And what do I do? I tell people to think
and be brave. I say, get some balls.
and think for yourself and say what you think.
So that can't be allowed to happen because they don't want to fix the sickness of society because society is sick.
Instead, what they want to do is get rid of the person who points it out.
And we have all these problems and everyone's pretty much accepting it. But when this guy reminds them...
It causes an issue. We're not going to fix the problems. Get rid of them.
That's why I have to go.
So sorry to interrupt you, but the people in charge don't agree with anything I say. The people in power, you're right, but they don't agree with any normal person's point of view. They don't give a shit about any of us.
when's the last time you've seen any of the people in power talk about inflation
Talk about the fact that the border crisis, the border is not closed. Talk about rampant crime. Talk about the educational system being under attack. No. What do they talk about instead?
LGBT, the climate,
Crap no one cares about. No one cares about this crap. All they talk about is the crap no one cares about, because that's the people who put them in power, those with the money who are trying to purport these garbage agendas. And all the things you do care about, you're not allowed to mention. If you mention them on a podcast like this,
You're gonna end up in a jail cell.
Take me to fucking jail then. Top G. Take me to jail. I don't know what the delay is. Let's go. Let's just do it.
Yeah.
So but again, I keep kind of harping on that, but it's like I'm so curious how
Or maybe you don't even think of it that way in terms of how you see you coming out the other side.
with the heat waned off? Or do you think that's a possibility?
Or do you think it's going to be like a fight till the death? As this war ends, another one will begin.
I think that
Life just morphs from one war to the next.
Even if you think about the average person's life, they think, I'll be happy once I just get over this one thing, or I'll be happy once this is done, or I'll be happy once I bought this. And it never works out like that.
As this war ends, another war will begin.
Life is constant and never ending war.
You can either try your very best to have an easy life and be an unimportant nobody, or you can get very good at having a hard life and at least matter.
as you suffer
through the human experience.
- Mm.
I don't see an ending because I don't think war is ever going to end. The war will change.
Perhaps, perhaps it's not a Romanian court, perhaps it's something else, but the war is going to go on forever.
And every single day I'm gonna get up and do my best.
while I'm breathing.
And that's the reality I'm going to live.
for as long as they let me live,
until they decide that they don't want me around anymore. And I would never kill myself.
And that's the bottom line.
And I love that you say that, too. You always say, I would never kill myself. I wouldn't. When I was in jail, the first month I was in jail, I think there was four suicides. And I got really nervous that they were trying to set up a pattern.
Mm-hmm.
And I kept tweeting, I would never kill myself, never kill myself, never kill myself. I tweeted every other day.
So,
That's the one psyop I don't want anyone to believe. There's no circumstance on earth in which I would kill myself ever. I'm going to you're going to have to kill me.
You're going to have to do it.
I'm not going to make it easy for them. I'm not going to allow them to upset me.
Take my ice cream away like a little girl. Boo hoo. And me do it for them. No, do your own dirty work.
Unless, well, you were born in Washington, DC, right?
unless you run for president of the United States.
How many cases has he got against him? 100? I'm only dealing with like three. I don't know. 97 more. Well, Trump's catching up.
I am praying for the West because
If he doesn't win, I think it's the end of end of America as we know it.
In a hypothetical universe,
Obviously, it's totally hypothetical.
But if you ran for president, what were the first things? If President Tate was in office,
It's crazy that sounds.
Well, it would be 20 years from now, and I think the world will be a dramatically different place in 20 years.
But I do believe
that
the
core tenets that Western leaders are lacking.
are
a degree of nationalism, a degree of care for their own people. I think that would be refreshing to see. Wouldn't it be nice to see a president who cares about Americans over everyone else?
Which is what?
Trump was.
I think nationalism and competence are probably the two things that you expect in the leader of a global power like America.
It's a shame that none of the current leaders have those two tenets.
But I think that a prioritization of your own people should be your primary objective in all things.
of how different the world is in 20 years from now or the geopolitical landscape.
my intention would be to serve the people who put me in power.
Radical idea, I know, crazy. But perhaps the people who vote for me and pay for the government that I'm in charge of
should be the ones I'd be concerned about as opposed to everything and everyone else.
Crazy, I know. But it seems the people who are in charge are more interested in global money.
and the global finance, which the people who put them there in the first place. And obviously, if you're a global finance, you have no particular concern for one geographical area or nation. In fact, if you're a global finance, you can benefit off the burning of a nation, off the destruction of a nation. There's no light without dark.
Global finance has benefited off the exploitation of the second and third world for a very long time.
to enrich the first world.
And it can also benefit just as well off the destruction of the First World to enrich other parts of the planet.
Most people don't understand that. People think,
They need to keep America alive because of the dollar and because it's America. No.
They can live in Saudi.
or Tanzania. They can live in a mansion anywhere and they have a globe master so they can fly anywhere they want.
And if America being decimated or destroyed will benefit them and make them forever profit, they have no problem with that because they are globalist.
It's a different--
attitude.
Thank you.
I know what I'm talking about because I'm as rich as these fuckers. And I'm telling you, you get to a certain point.
where you can be anywhere.
And if your allegiance isn't to a particular land,
Let me put it this way.
There are very powerful people in the world today who you could say, and they could be American, born American.
and you could say to them, you will make forever profit.
But America will degrade at a rate of 0.2% every single year for
the rest of your human life, but you will make forever profit with your company.
And they will say yes. And they'll think, ah, it'll be okay. Because all of the crime and all the degradation will hit areas they don't live in. And cities they don't live in. And neighborhoods they don't live in. While they're in America. If they're in America at all. Yeah.
And if you compound that across a bunch of people with power, 0.2%, 0.1%, 0.3%, 0.4%, it all adds up. And you start to realize why society is being destroyed.
and why these people don't care because they don't experience it.
The average person experiences it. The average person is stuck with it because they can't move. They don't have a private jet and they can't leave and they don't have global money.
They have one job in one place and they are stuck there.
And those are the people who suffer.
And that's the reality. And then these people get the people who were in charge into power.
to represent the people, but they don't represent the people, they represent the global money. And that's why they make the decisions they make and talk about the things they talk about. They don't talk about anything important.
Try and distract you, keep you confused. Inflate the currency to zero, but keep us arguing about whether men can get pregnant or not.
It's all a clown show, it's all garbage.
Andrew points out the truth to store him with the legal system.
Now we're in a current predicament, our current quagmire. If Andrew walks, he becomes more powerful than ever before. Romania is embarrassed. DCOT is embarrassed. FBI is embarrassed.
MSM is embarrassed. BBC said he's a human trafficker. Can't just lose the credibility of the BBC. We need them to lie to people.
Oh, but he's innocent. Yeah, but no, you may be innocent, but look at all this mess it causes. Yeah. Isn't it easier just to put him in jail? If it bleeds, it leads. Yeah.
if you beat this case and when you beat this case and you have the whole world's support with you a lot of people
Where do you see yourself moving to?
That's another good question.
Maybe I'll become a globalist.
Maybe I'll live on a little boat. Tate yacht.
My 11 wives settled down, all my children, some machine guns,
What would you call your yacht? Everybody has a name for their yacht. What would you call yours?
the international master.
-
which is not a girl's name, but my father was an international master of chess. That's what I call it.
Mm.
I love that. Now, I want to talk a little bit about family. And obviously it's a very sensitive topic, but I'm curious for you. You know, I know you have kids.
What are ways in which you recommend people, not necessarily that like,
you know, you're the all end all be all of how they should, but just your personal philosophies
on raising kids
in particularly a western world as the western world starts to influence with the internet, the rest of the world.
What are some things that you'd recommend for people who have kids in terms of how to raise them to protect them from the moral degradation of society? It's difficult. It's really hard because you're fighting a war against the Matrix and they have more hours with your child than you ever will. You need to have strong creeds within your household. You need to have strong creeds amongst you and your spouse.
You need to make it very clear
and create your child's reality.
Because if you're just going to allow them to be raised by the school system and YouTube, you're going to be very disappointed with the child they end up being.
And like most things, it takes a degree of effort
And I also need you to understand that
your influence for 20 minutes a day.
can't often trump the influence of 12 hours a day of bullshit school and the Internet.
And it goes down to the same things we said earlier.
I don't think most parents are too stupid to counteract the programming. I think they're too lazy or too arrogant.
They're too lazy to bother trying to deprogram their children from the matrix mind they've
or they're too arrogant to believe they should have to.
They sit and think, oh, no.
My kid will be fine. They know I don't believe in these things. Well, you don't talk to your kid very much. You're working.
they're watching this crap on youtube all day so it's extremely difficult you need to create the reality like everything in life you need to work for it nothing in life comes easy you need to sit and work and dedicate yourself
It's different for my level of finance than it is for the average person. The average person has a harder job.
If I wanted to make sure my kid wasn't raised with LGBT insanity, I would send him to school in Saudi. I can do that. I'm rich. Why Saudi?
Well, it's an Islamic country. And what did we talk earlier about religion and how they know what's right and they know what's wrong?
Mm.
But I am rich.
Most average people can't just send their kids to any school in Malaysia or Saudi or Indonesia or any country that they believe.
would teach them the things they want to learn.
So it's a very difficult thing to do. It takes work and it takes effort.
And I think most parents would know how to do it. They're not too stupid. They're just too lazy or they're too arrogant.
And,
your child is susceptible.
And it's going to adhere to a power structure.
there's a power vacuum inside of their mind, inside of their soul, and they're going to adhere to a power structure they end up respecting. If they don't respect you and your gravitas,
They're going to end up respecting
the school system,
And we know what garbage that is and YouTube.
We know what garbage that is.
So good luck.
Did having children or daughter change in any way?
Having children is so remarkably easy. I heard everyone talk about how difficult it was, but then obviously after having kids, I wasn't surprised by it.
Most people find everything difficult.
Going to the gym is difficult. Making money is difficult. Waking up is difficult. Not being a lazy idiot is difficult. Having kids is easy.
You make sure that
They don't eat too much food and you make sure they do as you say.
And you make sure they say please and thank you.
I'm not trying to belittle it.
But...
How difficult is it to raise a three-year-old?
Say thank you. Thank you. Okay, sit down.
Sit up quiet.
How do you struggle with that? Maybe some people do. But people struggle with everything. I don't know. People struggle to be anything in life. Having kids is remarkably easy and it's a blessing.
There's nothing better than raising children.
Did it soften your heart or did you find yourself growing in terms of the tenderness with the child or any of that? I always knew. I'm a soft person. I'm a nice person. I get that vibe from you. People have a judgment. They judge you as a whole based on your
political philosophies and that's who Andrew is as a whole. You know, they miss the tenderness. Of course. But as a man, if you don't have that edge, if you don't have that competitive or combative edge, then what's the point in being tender at all anyway? What's the point in me loving my kid if I won't kill the people who try and hurt him?
What's the point?
I mean, maybe there's some men out there who are weak and would say, "Oh, I'm really loving. Okay, that's great. Until shit hits the fan, then your love's worth nothing."
My love's worth something because I'll go charge at gunfire. Your love isn't worth anything.
If you're not combative as a man, then your love means nothing anyway.
Mm-hmm.
So you need to have that edge to you.
I love my children, absolutely, but I'm also not going to take any crap from them or anyone else. I'm not going to negotiate with a child.
My child is going to do as I say and they're going to be versions of me, the masculine version or the feminine version of me. And they're going to be raised to my creeds how I believe they should be raised. They're not the government's kids and they're not YouTube's kids and they're not school's kids. They're mine.
And if I say something is right and wrong, that's how they're going to act.
I'm not apologizing for that. I'm not sitting here saying,
People say to me, "What if they don't want to? What if they want to be different?" What do you mean, what if they? They're seven.
Since when do they get to decide how the world works?
7, I was an idiot.
So I know better for the same reason I won't let them put their finger in a plug socket.
I'm not gonna let them do anything else.
unless I agree with it.
call me authoritarianism, call me bad person, whatever they're going to call me. But this is how children were raised for the longest period of human time. And I think that's
That's why families stay families.
That's why families had honor because
They were raised to be a particular way because of the creed of their last name. That's how it's supposed to be. And my children will do the exact same thing.
What would your pop say if he was still around today?
about where you're at right now.
I think part of him would laugh.
I don't think he'd be surprised. Son of a gun. Yeah, I knew it.
I don't think he'd be surprised at all.
He understood how the government, how the world works.
he'd be 0% surprised, he'd certainly be
proud of me.
Um,
I know this sounds a bit crazy. This was all meant to happen. I can't explain it. My father was telling me things from a very young age.
which made no sense until I was in jail.
Perhaps.
this version of reality has existed before. Perhaps we're in a simulation, I'm not sure.
But I don't think he'd be 1% surprised. If he came back to life for an hour and I told him what happened, he'd be like, yep.
Duh.
Anything new? Anything else? Well, Biden's president. And that would be it.
If
If you're a man who tries his absolute best and is brutally competent and speaks against authority, there's only one path.
Where else was this going to end?
Where else does this end?
Where else have people who have inspired millions, who spoke against authority,
ever ended up.
besides jail or debt.
-
The Matrix is calling. Time's up.
Thank you.
- Sure, right.
Huh.
All right.
Thank you.
About a second.
It's about the cigars?
Cool. Almost done anyway.
Yeah, what'd they say?
The smallest moment, okay. Are the windows open?
- No, one of those are all types.
Open them, air it out. We're almost done here. I'll wrap up just two, three more questions. We're good, boss.
Thank you.
Can you open the windows in the other room as well, please?
It's already open.
- Well, I could.
It'll be fine. They won't charge you. They won't do anything.
Oh, really? I'll talk to him on the way out. It's fine.
I mean, I planned to, 'cause they had a no smoking thing, and I was just like, we'll fucking pay it. - On the way out, I'll fix it. I'll say I smoked a cigar, it's my fault,
Good? Yeah, we're in this. We're going. Cool.
Mm-hmm.
All right, last thing we said. Oh, what about your mom?
What does she say?
She's proud of me.
She's worried. She's concerned like a mother should be. She tries to calm me down and say, is this all worth it?
But that's the feminine frame. The feminine frame is always to try and avoid the war. Like I said earlier on, to drag you back from battle because they want to keep you safe.
That's how women operate and that's what they're good at.
and that's their role, but
I'm a man now and I tell her, "Look, I've got it under control, everything's fine."
I take care of her, she's very well looked after, and she's going to have to let me go. I mean, she said I'm glad I have strong sons, I couldn't,
deal with all this mess.
if you weren't strong. And I said, Well, this mess wouldn't exist if I wasn't strong.
I'd be working in Starbucks.
full of vaccine.
So you wouldn't have to worry about something else. You'd have to worry about me
having a random heart attack or not being able to pay your bills.
You always have to worry about something, Mom.
only worry about
My, well, I say only, you don't have to worry about your bills being paid. You don't have to worry about my competence. You have to worry about them allowing me to survive, but.
the other way around. You'd have to worry about me
getting up each day without wanting to shoot myself in the head because I'm a minimum wage wagey at 40. So
There's no way out. War is certain for all of us. We're all fighting different battles. You can either suffer the intense pain it requires to become a somebody or suffer the intense pain of being a forever nobody.
Yeah, it's your choice.
- Yeah, the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. - Oh, absolutely. Pain's there.
There's no doubt about it. Yeah, choose your heart. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, what about Tristan?
What are Tristan's thoughts on this? I'm sure Tristan goes, "Andrew, why are you doing all this shit, man? We could be living it up." I mean, have there ever been conversations like that? Actually, you know what? Tristan doesn't say that. You know what? Tristan actually thinks the whole thing is super funny and hilarious. He thinks the whole thing is hilarious. Tristan just laughs his way through all of it. He just is funny.
"If I'm a human trafficker, you're a human trafficker, ha, ha." And just laughs out loud. Calls himself a human trafficker to everyone, thinks it's funny.
The whole thing's a big joke.
And it is a joke. It's clown world.
It's clown world and I'm trying to fix it and fight against it. He's accepted it's clown world and is enjoying the show.
And you guys have always had a strong brotherhood.
All the time.
We weren't allowed to do anything else. My father wouldn't allow it. Yeah.
Because I heard you guys like shared bank accounts, did everything together, supported each other. Women, the whole thing. Always. We've always been a team.
We've always had each other's back.
Doesn't matter what it was. And I think that that's the way men were
initially
raised and supposed to be i think men have always operated that way i think masculine strength comes from fraternity from brotherhood
It's one of the reasons why it's under attack. It's one of the reasons why they don't want people to be that way anymore.
even
You talked about women. Even if we had a heartbreak or a woman left us or whatever, it couldn't affect us properly like it affected most people because we were busy with our brother having a great time.
So.
We've always had that.
Unity.
And that's a huge source of strength.
I love that, man. And then
I want to ask two more questions and then we have a quick game and then we're done.
is
when the Andrew Tate legacy
is complete, right? And you're dead, gone, and nothing but a pile of dust, as inevitably we all will be.
What do you hope the Andrew Tate legacy was all about? Well, I'm sure I wasn't right about everything.
perhaps only 99.9%
-
But I would like people to understand that I took the brave option always.
that I had a bunch of other ways out.
I never sold my soul or coward like everyone else did.
There's a reason why people with influence don't talk, but I continue to talk. I think it's obvious to people at home now because I'm suffering the consequences.
As long as people will acknowledge I at least made the brave choice, even if they disagree with the choices I made, then I'd be pretty happy.
because I think that
All the men of history that we remember were brave.
even if they
made some decisions that were questionable or not everyone agreed with, they were known as brave.
And I think that bravery is one of the most basic tenets of masculinity, which is lacking in the world today.
A lot of people agree with the things I say or think things similar, but are afraid to say them. And I think bravery is one of the most important.
elements required to crack the matrix and defeat them.
So,
The brave choice.
Perhaps I'll put that in my grade stone.
the brave choice. We'll see.
Mm.
Now, last question I have.
is
You know, a lot of people look up to your story. They look up to the philosophies you share. People have their own dreams, ambitions.
What's your best advice for people looking up to you? And a lot of people try to use business as a vehicle to escape their own. You know, you talked about your humble beginnings. A lot of people have their own unique version of that.
What's Andrew Tate's best advice
to
make your dreams a reality, to beat the matrix,
to to break the chains of where most people are born. Yeah, my best dream. Sure. I'll give my best advice. My best advice is to stop trying to do anything by yourself.
because you're competing against teams. - Who not how? - Well, yeah. You're never gonna be able to out-compete a team by yourself. This whole idea of Rambo lone soldier is garbage.
I can even talk about me. I make a lot of money.
with a lot of people. I have hundreds of people, effectively, I work with in different areas in different regards. I have a very large team of competent men. I'm a competent man, and I know hundreds of competent men, and we're all pushing in one direction. How can you as one person with your limited human time and space and energy outcompete us? You can't.
you need to find people you can rely on and trust, which is actually the most difficult thing.
because especially when money's involved, you'll start to learn that that's hard.
But if you can build a true fraternity of people who are on your side, you can trust with your life.
You can do amazing things.
jesus did amazing things with 12 disciples it's amazing what you can do with a few good men
You're not going to be able to do it by yourself. So it starts with brotherhood. It starts with shared vision.
It starts with shared dedication.
It starts with creeds and ethos within that friendship group that allow you to be the strongest, most
fearsome version of yourself.
Everyone talks about the fact that you are the sum of the five people you spend the most time with, but then nobody creates the five people they spend time with. They forget the second part of the equation.
If you only hang around with killers, you'll be a killer.
And if you get a good team together, it's nearly impossible to fail.
It's nearly impossible to fail if you're a good team.
all pushing in the same direction. I don't even think it's that difficult to do.
You just need to be the kind of person who's waking up around people who are not allowing you to be anything other than your best self. And then you're going to win.
Thank you.
Profound.
And how important is delegation, team building? A lot of people struggle with that early on. Well, a lot of people struggle with delegation because
They're lazy and they hire mercenaries.
So a lot of people will come along and say, "I want to start a business.
I'm going to be the face of it, and then I'm going to hire this guy to do this, this, this, this, this. And that's fine, but then you have people who are only working for a paycheck.
and
If you're the face of it, but they don't respect how much you have suffered,
to be the face of it, which ties back to something I said earlier, then they don't think
You deserve that position of being the face of it. Why are they doing all the nitty gritty?
and then you have resentment and then you have problems within the team. If you had
a leader who suffers and charges head first at the gunfire.
like.
the general on his horse first,
It inspires the troops behind, and if they believe in the mission,
they're not doing it purely for a paycheck but because they believe in the mission that's how you
That's how you have the most powerful army possible, like days of old.
So delegation is very possible, but you have to be careful hiring mercenaries because mercenaries are only there for the paycheck. You need people who have the same vision as you.
the same obligation as you.
the same duty as you and will benefit from
the results,
shared ownership. There's a lot of things you can do.
But I think a lot of it is down to ethos and culture more than even just delegation. I don't have anyone who works for me purely for a paycheck.
I would argue that most people who work for me, if I were to say, I'm not paying you next month, they say, cool, whatever, and just continue to do the job. So I don't care.
You got an A1 team around you. And I know a big part of it too is family, right? Absolutely.
How important has that been for you?
Yeah, I, my cousins, my brother,
A lot of the men in my family, we all work together. People say you shouldn't mix family and business, but I strongly disagree.
Especially if you have a good family life and you already have a good hierarchy within the family, then it gets even better.
but we all do our jobs and we all do them flawlessly and i do believe you have to lead from the front
I'm the first person up, I'm the last person to sleep.
And that's why I get to yell at anyone who doesn't do their job properly.
So it's easy for me to run my billion dollar company.
because I work hardest.
And I'm always going to do that. I have no problem doing that. And I think that's how it should be.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
Amen.
What's the biggest misconception
people have that you've seen being on this side of the fence.
about you that you think most people don't understand.
- Thank you.
Do people have deliberate misconceptions? I'm not sure they do. I think the people who don't understand me have
Sorry, I'll reword that. I don't think people have misconceptions unless it's deliberate. The people who misunderstand me have deliberately misunderstood me because they don't like my monumental successes and there's a degree of envy and jealousy and they want to try and tear down my character because there's nothing else they can attack me with. They can't call me dumb. They can't call me unsuccessful.
Can't call me weak. Can't call me stupid. There's nothing else to call me besides a bad person. I think it's deliberate misconceptions.
which they are deliberately holding on to because there's a huge envy factor involved in all of these things. Hate always comes from below.
And no matter what I say to them, they're not going to change their mind. And I have very little interest in changing their mind.
because there's no light without dark.
One of the reasons I'm so monumentally successful is because every time I say anything, there's a huge public discourse around it.
So it's fine by me. I need the idiots are effectively free staff.
They work for me and they amplify my message endlessly, so I appreciate them.
and they do it for free and they dedicate their lives, sitting there getting upset, talking about me,
giving me their human time and energy, eating food to burn into calories to talk about Andrew Tate. And they think if they put it in a negative way, it somehow harms me. And it does the absolute opposite.
so they can keep their misconceptions.
What would your final words be to the world?
Final words of wisdom. - My own match perspicacity, coupled with sheer indefatigability, makes me a feared opponent.
in any realm of human endeavor.
Say that one more time. My unmatched perspicacity.
Coupled with sheer indefatigability, he makes me a feared opponent in any realm of human endeavor.
Beautiful, my man. Thanks, G. And then at the end, Top G, my man. It's a privilege.
At the end we play a little word relation game. So it's a very simple game we wrap up pods with.
Don't worry. We can edit how you like. So, I'm going to rifle off a quick word or phrase. It could be a person. It could be an idea. Just your first intuitive response. It could be short. It could be quick. The only rule.
that you can't repeat yourself.
Okay.
Ready? All right. Money.
Power.
your brother.
Best friend.
God.
I'm gonna say scary.
Religion.
I don't want to break the rules, but you ask me these words and I can only think of very long answers.
Let it flow. It's OK.
Let it flow.
Religion is, humans have always been religious. And I just want to say when you talk about religion, I was going to say imperative. And the reason I'll say that is not because I believe
that
Well, I do believe people need to believe in God, but there is no one on earth who doesn't have a religion.
And if you don't believe in God, then you're believing in government or LGBT.
or communism or some garbage. There's nobody on earth that doesn't have a religion. And I think religion should be God as opposed to pretending you're an atheist and then worshiping your government.
who taxes you to oblivion instead. There's nobody who is not religious,
There are just people who believe in different things.
the Matrix.
I can hear all the conveyor belts of words and phrases and ideas.
I'm going to say it's necessary.
And I know that's a strange answer for most people, but
We're--
human beings always
resort to a form of order.
even if that order is tyrannical.
Because without order there's chaos and I don't think humans actually like the idea of chaos. The reason dictators stay in power in these countries is because if you remove the dictator, it just becomes warlords, warring tribes and gang wars. No one likes the idea of their children getting shot in the street by random gang and there's no repercussion, there's no law, there's no order. There's nothing they can do about it besides go out there and die themselves against the gang. I think humans naturally incline towards order.
And that's broken as the matrix is, is a form of order for the people who are
prepared to be slaves. I'm not.
And there's a lot of men out there who are not prepared to be slaves anymore.
but it does keep a degree of law and order amongst society for now. And I don't think it's going to last much longer.
However, a version of the matrix is always going to be to some degree necessary.
the afterlife.
serene.
President Trump.
- Thank you.
He's brave.
Elon Musk.
He's brave too, but I can't use the same word twice.
He long.
Hmm.
What one word do I use for Elon?
Word or phrase, it's okay.
Thank you.
A lot I can say about Elon. I think he's done fantastic things in terms of cracking the matrix. He's certainly been orchestrated.
been a huge orchestrator of it.
To give him credit, I'm going to have to think about what word I'd give Elon because
You could say brave, but I think it's something more than that. I think he's cunning.
I think he knows what he's doing.
Mm.
at a deeper level than most understand.
Biden.
tired.
What do they call him, Sleepy Joe?
- Thank you.
the future.
I would say dystopian.
And I'll also say
I'm going to say dystopian, but I don't believe it's for everybody.
I think the world is cyclical and we're going to soon be returning to a version of history where there were kings,
and there were serfs, there were peasants,
and there were lords and rulers. I think that this AI systems are going to implement, are going to keep a lot of people very firmly in their place,
Social mobility will be removed. And if you're not rich, your chance of getting rich will be zero. If you're not free, your chance of becoming free will be zero.
you and your entire bloodline will be enslaved forever
in your 15-minute city.
but there's gonna be people living outside the matrix who will live better than ever before.
And I think that the world's just going to get more divided
with the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer.
the free
becoming more free,
and those who are currently confined by their
finances or their geographical location are soon going to be
completely enslaved.
Divided, perhaps, is the word.
Freedom.
I think it's a decision.
because I felt free in jail.
because
I had, I...
I knew I'd made the--
the decisions
Although the decisions I made put me there, I knew they were the right decisions to make.
Peace of mind.
luxury.
being top G.
Ha!
Stressful.
Ha!
The key to getting women for men out there wondering. - The key to getting women?
They like men who can get things done.
Your biggest insecurity.
We talked about this earlier, didn't we?
what is my biggest insecurity?
Not having any?
- Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not sure. I have to think of one for the next podcast. Part two, I'll come back with a whole list of insecurities. I'll see if I can find any. But like, I don't operate under that paradigm. I don't operate under that frame. There could be something glaringly wrong with me.
And I refuse to operate under that frame. I don't think it's advantageous. I think I'm most competitive
if I don't operate under the frame of this is bad about me.
So...
I don't have any.
Best advice you've ever been given?
Best advice I've ever been given.
I've had a lot of good advice.
But I heard this, someone reminded me of this only yesterday. I heard it many years ago and they reminded me of it yesterday and they said,
Never scare a coward.
because they're going to do the most heinous things.
to get revenge.
Worst advice you've ever been given.
Follow your passion.
It's garbage.
The man who made money with concrete was not passionate about concrete.
He just wanted to win.
Your passion should be winning at any cost.
A lot of people say to me, I want to do a business I'm passionate about. I said, yeah, girls want to open flower shops, but guess what? Flower shops don't make girls rich. So.
Fulfillment.
Children.
Children.
Next word was children.
Ah, smart.
and
Andrew Tate in 2024 and 2025.
Hopefully,
free.
Be nice to have a couple years of free in between the incarcerations. We'll see how it goes.
And the last one, Andrew Tate, 10 years from now.
Thank you.
Not sure, I don't think that far ahead, but perhaps I should start, but I don't afford myself the luxury.
If I'm alive in 10 years from now,
My intention is to have 20 sons.
so I can raise
The future generation of troublemakers for the Matrix, the John Connors. Some Andrew Tate Jr. is flying against Skynet.
And I haven't got 20 yet, but we're getting there.
Mm.
And then I know we mentioned it earlier, but I got to ask again.
When you're dead, gone, and nothing but a pile of dust, what do you hope the world remembers Andrew Tate as?
Brave is the word I'm going to stick with.
I made the brave choice every time there was a choice on my table between left and right. And I wasn't sure which one to choose. I chose the one which took the most bravery.
and what it means to be one of the passionate few. It's the name of the podcast.
You don't own anything in this world but your soul anyway.
And what is a soul without passion?
So, uh...
I'm quite blessed to be honest, regardless of what happens to me. I'm glad there's something I feel is worth standing up for. I think there'd be nothing worse than living a life where...
you didn't feel
anything was worth risking yourself for.
point in being alive.
Oh, man. Andrew, thank you so much for being on the show. Thanks, bro. Top G. I appreciate you, man. Thank you. Hope you enjoyed the podcast, brother. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Absolutely. Thank you. Cheers, guys. Thank you.