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I live in a very homogenous society. I live in a really strange country. I live in Romania. 99.9% of the people there are Romanian. And this is why, even though the Romanian police force is literally a joke. I mean, they drive cars called dacias. They're like $4,000 brand-new. They couldn't even chase you if they tried. And I said to a cop, I was like, "Because he
no one, we just put the lights on, people just stop. It's never happened. Just yeah, it's never happened. And it's like the society is more homogenous and people to a degree kind of think the same, speak the same, look the same. So it's much harder to just completely oppress them. Like even now, the European Union is trying very hard to enact some COVID tyranny and Romania has the lowest vaccination rate in the EU. And even now, when you walk into a doctor in Romania, because it's like,
He sees himself in you. If you walk into a doctor in Romania and you say, look, I don't want the jab, but I want that card. So, yeah, yeah. Okay. If that's what you want. Hey. Sorry. I think you might be saying too much. Sorry. I don't want them to come take you, bro. No, but my, my, I'm anyway, but my, my point is that when people, when people see themselves in others, it's, it's much harder to be a, to,
to enact the tyranny. - Well, I think also what it is, is it becomes impossible to use decisive measures. Because it's like, how are you gonna separate them? You can't divide and conquer. You can't divide them, how? Short people against tall people. And that's the game that they play in America, and that's kind of always been the game here. And it really hurts my heart, man, that people,
you know, just lack independent thought to that degree. And I remember reading about it as a teenager, that that was the goal of the elites is to use the educational system and pop culture and entertainment to basically dumb down the population. I mean, that's the simplest way to say it, to bring them down to a critically, critically low thinking level and to keep us
and this mindless entertainment. 100%. And I didn't believe it. Rome had a circus every day when they were losing. Yes, circus and bread. They were losing wars.
We better start put the circus on because they found out we're losing wars. We've got to do something. Distract these people. And it's just it's amazing to me that it works so well. And I mean, that's that's been the driving force in entertainment technology. People think it's about making money. People don't care about money, bro. These money is toilet paper. Yeah. What they care about is control. And they have been pushing the iPhone or the television, the streaming.
it's super successful. We're all addicted to our phones. We're all addicted to our phones. And people often say to me, hey, Tate, how do you resist the New World Order? And I say, listen, you can't. You can't. You have to adjust to it. You have to adjust to it. But if someone asks me what my description of the New World Order was, I'd say it's a very simple description. It's your phone. They know where you go. They know what you say. They know what you look up. They know who you talk to. They know where you spend your money. If you want to get rid of the New World Order, throw your phone away. You're not going to. So as long as that phone is in your
in your conversations. They know all of everything. Every photo you deleted is still there. It's done. It's an age thing. It's a matter of when you were born.
And when you...
became aware, awoke. Because if you're somebody that, say, I don't know, 60, 70 years, and you're living in a log cavern off the grid, you got solar power, you got fresh water, you're still hunting, you got some crops, and you got whatever amount of family members out there, and you're going to die there.
And you got out of Dodge 20 years ago or 30 years ago, whatever. That's the person that beat the New World Order. Yeah So if you're not that person, it's not it's not gonna happen if you were born later than that. It's a wrap. You know what I mean? So it we're still relatively young. Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna remember what it used to be like used to be like what? 15 16 year olds. They're not gonna have any idea. I saw yeah, I saw a video on
They didn't have a clue what it was. - But Simon says. - A Walkman. Yeah, they're like, what is this? - Board games. - Yeah, literally. - Where's the screen? - Some of my favorite movies to watch are like 1999, 2000. I watched American Pie, I very rarely watch movies, but on the plane here, I watched American Pie, the first one. And the thing that stuck out to me is I saw the party scene, and everyone's like,
paying attention and talking. No one's on their phone. If you put, bro, you put 500 people in a room today, 350 on their phone. But you know what you would have to do? What I think would be a cool concept for parties to have like retro parties. And when you come in, the first thing you gotta do is put your phone in a locker. You know what I mean? You can't have any type of technology that didn't exist in that decade. But the problem is this. The problem is twofold. People are so addicted that they're not going to enjoy themselves because they have anxiety about what might be on
Just didn't Wi-Fi? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how you rule somebody's day. When they get to the hotel, like, oh, sorry, but the Wi-Fi's down. What? Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. Their heart will stop.
And the second thing, I actually really think fun has become a clout chasing exercise. I don't think anyone has fun anymore. They just want pictures and videos to make it look like they're having fun so that other people are jealous of them having fun. Literally, that's the life. No, that's exactly what it is. You're at the club.
and all you see is people in their phones
But then when you see those same people on their Instagram. - Hey, hey, hey, hey, that's right. That's right. Back to their phone. That's right. - But as soon as that camera is gone, they're like. - Yeah, that's right. - And they're answering that same question. - Yeah, that's right. - Let's get sushi. - That's right, yeah. - But they were acting like it was the best, most lit ever. And I mean, you got guys refilling bottles with water. I mean, Jesus.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Anything to make the party look lit and
For me, that's... I mean, dude, I remember in high school, man. Like, I didn't start off popular...
Like I literally earned my popularity. Yeah, but when nobody knew who I was man, I wasn't tripping like you know what I mean? It wasn't a big deal to me. I didn't need anybody to think I was any more than I was Yeah, and when I did things I can honestly say I did it for myself Yeah, like I bought the fashion or the things that I liked it wasn't like oh you got to get this you got to get that yeah I was a Jordan fan so I had every Jordan. Yeah, that's probably the only thing that was like everybody else is doing Yeah, I was kind of doing my own little thing and even with the girls I
Like what he was saying about make sure, you know, that people like you. When you're likable, you get a lot more. When I was in high school, the way I used to get at the shorties before I had the popularity or I was, you know, where I needed to be playing sports. Dude, what I would do is I would just like defend the queer kid. You know what I mean? Like the kids that are getting picked on or whatnot, but they know the girls. Or, you know, a photo op. If it's in front of some girls, hey, come on, man. Leave them alone, man. Hey, man, you all right, bro? Hey, man, don't worry about these dudes, man. And the girls would see that.
Yeah, let me tell you something it worked like a charm. I bet it did. And I noticed that a lot of guys were shooting himself in the foot Yeah, because they would pick on certain you know kids that were like a feminine or whatever and that kid would be friends with all the All the girls all the cute girls. So now when he's trying to shoot his shot the girls are all rejecting him It's because that same little queer dude is like he's an asshole. No, no, no, you don't need to you know, you're too good for him and then and that. Whereas when you are cool
- Go pick your enemies. - Yeah, exactly. You gotta pick your enemies. And have none, if possible, have none. I don't think enemies are what a guy can benefit from. I think rivals are awesome. If you could get somebody where it's into something you're into and
they're looking competitive with it, use that as something to bounce off of and give you that energy, that push. - Well, there's a reason, I don't know about bodybuilding, but in fighting, maybe bodybuilding's the same. In fighting, when we train for a fight, you train in a camp with other guys training for a fight. And that's your goal, right? That's your rival. Running as fast as you can by yourself, or as long as you can by yourself, you're never gonna do as good as when that guy's next to you, and it's neck and neck. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? - Pushing you. Get somebody kicking you. - Yep, yep. - My clients tell me that all the time. They're like, "Yo, when I work out with myself, "it's not like this."
up on myself. It's not like what I would with coach. That's right. And it's crazy because it really makes you stop and ask yourself, oh shit, I thought I was focused. I thought I was on it. I thought I was consistent. Do I really need that push? And I think a lot of people don't even realize, because obviously that's self-made shit doing your own. Oh, that's awesome. But if you can have camaraderie, if you can have quality dudes in your life that's also pushing and you can push each other, I think that's a beautiful thing that we're not even...
looking for as much, and I don't think we ever looked for it. I think it was an extension of those institutions I was talking about. Like, where do you know this kid from? I know this kid from basketball camp. You know what I'm saying? Or I know this guy from Boy Scouts. Or we went to military school. You know, I got in trouble and they sent me off and he was the only, you know, we had to hold each other down and now we're both free. We're back in the world. We're trying to, you know, keep it straight. So we keep each other straight. So it's like when you take away those male spaces, you know,
you take away so much that's encompassed in that, the people that you would have met, the brothers that you would have made, and those lessons you would have learned, and the confidence you would have got from
being down to the bottom so many times in so many situations because those institutions are designed to challenge you. At the end of the day, that's what it is. It's to strip you of whatever comfort you have. And mommy and daddy isn't around.
And it's like, go. No, no. Do it. It's completely true.
The easiest way to be self-made as a man is to have an amazing network of men around you. So you're not really all that self-made. Like if you look at the best men in the world, they have extremely powerful networks. And I know it's a bit cliche. We talk about how you're the sum of the five people you spend most time with. What always blew my mind is that everybody understands that, but they don't create who they hang around with. Right. Like if you understand that point, you should be very, very selective who gets your time.
Because if you're still hanging around with some dude whose life you don't want,
then you need to analyze why do you do that. I mean, is he that funny?
Like is he that cool? Like are the video games that good? And is he gonna fight if something were to happen? Does he got your back? That's right. That's right. So you need to be very very careful. Like I, one of the greatest things about having money when you were talking about kind of like some of the advantages of being rich is
One of them is that I'm very fortunate in the fact that I get to create my reality. If I don't want to see or talk to somebody, I don't have to anymore. And for me personally, I don't even have problems with people who challenge me or disagree with me or whatever, whatever. I just don't like weak energy around me. If I see dudes who are always sad or, you know, those unlucky fuckers who can never catch a break. And then, nah, nah, nah, nah. Everyone around me. That's contagious. Yeah, that shit's contagious. I like, I've created a very, very positive reality. And that's done by making sure I talk to the right people.
positive. I can't be the only sad guy in my whole life. Like, how's that gonna work? You know what I'm saying? So if everyone around you smiling, you're probably gonna smile. That's how life works.
- I agree, I agree. Damn, there was something I was gonna ask you, it was important. - I know, I keep going on and on and on. - No, no, no, no, it's not your fault. I smoked a little something.
What the fuck was it? It was something advice based. Oh, that's what I wanted to ask you. So I think this is an interesting question because we're not all rich. Most people obviously aren't. And I think it's more fun to be able to think and imagine and fantasize. If I were successful or when I am successful, you know, what are the things I'm going to do that are like actually unique and actually clever and creative and cool?
You know, when you meet a young lady and let's say she is or she isn't feeling your mojo, but you already are locked and loaded with what you're willing to do. The level of effort or the level of interest that you have. Right. What is the type of irresistible?
invite that you would give a lady? Like what's the type of date that you would be like, let me, I want to take you to
Or I'm gonna take you on a-- That's a really good question. And I'll be honest with you, since I got rich, I don't think I've really changed that much about what I'll do with a chick on a date. I really don't think I have changed that much. I'm sure if I were to try hard, I could do it.
One thing that's very easy now, or once you have a bit of money, and you're international, and you have a big Instagram, it's super easy to say to a chick, "Look, girls don't want to come on their own, but if you want to spend money, if I'm in Dubai, I can say to a chick, "Look, you bring your three friends, boom, I'll get you a hotel, we'll just have dinner one night, we don't get along, whatever." Like that's easy, but I don't even really do that, to be honest with you. I'm still quite basic with what I do. I really am quite basic. I'm actually at the point now where I find
If you flex too hard, what most people don't understand is that a lot of women are actually extremely insecure, especially the pretty ones. Especially. Especially. So if you're too much of a catch, right? If you're in good shape and you're good looking and you're smart and you're rich, and like they get to the point where they think, oh, he's just going to fuck me and bounce. Right. Or he's a serial killer. He's hiding something. This is too good to be true. It's too good to be true. It's too good to be true. Why am I here? That's right. So it's kind of like for me, if I say to a girl, I'm going to take you on some amazing place, I think it almost puts them off more.
- I'm much more like, let's-- - Like why would you wanna do that? - That's right, yeah. - Well, I let you answer the question the way that you heard it.
But, and I phrased it like that somewhat intentionally so I could get kind of like a dual answer. So that's if, you know, I'm asking it from a financial standpoint. But the reason why I preference with a man of means is because I'm more interested from a creative standpoint. Like what's the most creative date that you surprised a girl with or invited her on? And it was to the point where it was like she could never say no to this. This is so cool or interesting or unique or whatever.
cost you because it's not about the money because she wouldn't know that anyway. It's just about the creativity. This hasn't been done. So you might as well have to pay somebody under the table to make something happen that's not supposed to happen so I can get on a part of a building I'm not supposed to be on so I can get a view that I'm not supposed to get. You know what I mean? That kind of thing. That's a really good question and I'm going to sound like a boring dude but usually things pop directly to my head. Now I'm sure there's been a point in history where I've
It's not so much where you are, it's who you're with, right? So I really am confident enough. I believe if I can just if a girl will sit down with me and have coffee with me, I can get the job done. So I'm pretty, I'm pretty basic with it. He said he is the surprise. No, but no, that's a really good question. And I'm sure I do have an answer, but I don't have one that instantly pops to my head.
the helicopter yeah yeah it's yeah like i have it easy like i'll have a girl who i i've gone to coffee with and let's say i have a girl with coffee in miami and i bounce i don't have time to keep seeing or whatever whatever and then she'll reply to one of my stories when i'm in monaco and i can say look here's a flight come and she'll be like okay so that kind of shit will happen but that's more truthfully at at that level a lot of the time the only time i'll send girl flights is not because i'm trying to be a sugar daddy or trying to impress them that's just convenient for
I mean, it definitely gets to that where you're willing to pay extra just to save years of your time. You're like, listen, I need to get in here. Listen, who do I got to pay? Who do I got to talk to to make this happen? That's right. So, yeah, that I definitely understand. Another thing I wanted to ask you is where do you think the Manus Fair is going or is there anything hopeful there? I don't think there's much hope left, man. I think it's fallen off. I think I had a glory period like two, three years ago maybe. There was like a glory period with it, but I think it's kind of fallen off badly.
There's certainly egos involved, which is one thing. The second thing is, I don't know if this, this whole COVID stuff has changed the world. I don't think the world's ever going to be the same completely again. I don't know exactly what it is, but when I look at a lot of the pure, pure red pill content, I don't really see any hope there. Even if they don't mean it to be, a lot of it is so negative. It's framed from such a negative perspective. Exactly. And it's very hard to sit down in front of a woman with a negative mindset and impress her,
That song by Cyndi Lauper is completely true. Girls just want to have fun. And fun is positivity. And if you're fun to be around, to some degree, she'll always want to be around you. And sometimes these guys are trying to learn all this theory. And by the time you learn it all, you're just bitter. You're boring. And you're boring. And you can feel it. And it's in the air. It's intangible. You're thinking too much. Yeah. You're reading off a fucking script. Yeah. And it just all goes wrong. So personally, I mean, I don't watch much, if any, of it.
I don't think it's going to help anybody. I feel like--
You know, there's so many things about being a man that are difficult to do. And truthfully, if you put your energy in the right places, you're gonna achieve a bunch of amazing things and the girls are gonna... I really, I know it's been said before, you need to be your own point of origin and girls need to come on accident, blah, blah, blah. It's not about them coming on accident.
It's just a matter of there's a reason a lot of these game guys don't have long successful relationships. It's because they know enough to talk a girl into sex, but they don't have enough to retain her. So it can't be the only thing you focus on. You've got to focus on a bunch of other things, and it's got to be a small part of your repertoire, just like everything else, right?
Like if food is the only thing you focus on, you're living a stupid life, but you can't not eat food. You know, it's one of them things. Exactly. And I mean,
With the women if you're fun as long as they're in that age bracket, they're always gonna make themselves available for who's the most fun That's for sure. Who's the most exciting? Who's the most fun? That's always who they're gonna make time for even to the point where I
I think that could even trump bragging about it on social media. Like, if you could offer genuine fun, I think there are plenty of occasions where girls will be like, "You know what?
If I gotta leave my phone, I'm gonna do this 'cause it's fun. And I'll take pictures on the boat next weekend, you know, with some other simp that will let me record the whole damn thing and, you know, light up my reels with it. But this with this one, I'm just gonna go in here and what stays here and what happens here stays here. You know, if you're, you know, you're offering that genuine fun, but I always tell guys, you have to kind of look at women as, you know,
an accessory in the short term as well as the long term. I mean, if she's in the short term, she's just an accessory to your fun, your entertainment. You're just trying to have a good time. And the moment that that stops being fun, you should already have had an exit strategy and a backup. That's in the short term. Now, in the long term, she's now a necessity to your life, to your goals, whatever it is you're trying to do. So you have to realistically have some type
or six years while I build what I'm doing. And there's nothing wrong with that. I think that's very smart.
Those times in my life where I was like, all right, if I'm a single man,
I am not going to be able to focus worth a damn. I have far too much access to far too much beautiful women in this moment in my life. And it's going to be almost impossible. Because you're going to try to manage the stable. And you're not going to limit yourself. If you've got four chicks and they're bad and you get another one, she's eh. You might give her a little attention and she drops off. You don't really care. But if you get another one that's an eight or a nine, trust me, you're going to still try to maintain her.
to that. So I said, you know what? Let me just get a girlfriend. And I already know she's temporary. She might not know she's temporary, but she's temporary. Now, the problem with that, I mean, the good thing about that is if it ever does get difficult
you could do a cost analysis real quick. Like, okay, this bitch is becoming a headache. And it's not worth it. Let me get her the fuck out of here. You're here to make shit easier with women, not to make it a headache. Now, the one that you choose for the long term, now this is completely different. Because when you do have your downs, you do have your bad times, you gotta work through it. You gotta do this. Because there's an investment made, some kind of equity. So you see what I'm saying? - Correct. - But as a dude, did you go in with that?
as a plan. And I think what happens with guys, they don't deal with women
With plan, they don't plan. They leave it to like what she'll let me do or what I could get out of her and play it by air and all this. Nah. It has to be pre-decided in your head. You already got to be like, and I tell guys this with budget. With budget, when you're dealing with girls, you should treat it like any other expense.
900? He can keep that shit. You already know. So with women, you gotta kind of be the same way. Like, alright, I'm willing to pay this amount to spend time with this chick. And
after that date, if
If I'm not smashing that night or relatively soon, if I don't even feel like she, you know, is on that same page with me.
Cut your losses 100% you know what I mean completely and what you said there by entering with a plan is super important because that also guides the Manipulation we were talking about earlier like doesn't mean it doesn't mean rush it right if your plan is to have kids with her Don't be saying that day one. Oh, I'll rush it Don't rush it But you can certainly mention in the first few weeks or months when you see a family on TV you know what? What do you think about having a family? I mean, and you can test her and you can understand things now? Most men can't be patient with it if your games right and you can be patient you understand where you're trying to go Then you can guide her with your manipulation correctly. You can get what you want
really know what you want, then you can't do the game right. So you're right. Nothing good, I've said this all the time, but nothing good in life happens on accident. How do you get in such good shape? Accident? - Oh, definitely not. - No, you know, you're never gonna be like, oops, and get what you want. - You know what it is?
See, this is the crazy thing. It's like we're over here advocating for manipulating women and children. Yeah. But I'm advocating that you also manipulate yourself. 100%. For you to accomplish pretty much anything, there has to be some self-manipulation. 100%. You have to convince yourself that this is what I want, that this is this important. This is worthwhile. Right, right, right. This is worthwhile. You're telling yourself everything that needs to be said to motivate yourself to do that, to execute that.
how many late nights you're not going to sleep, early mornings you got to get up, whatever the case may be. So I'm going to make a video soon about you shouldn't be, your goal shouldn't be,
just sex. Even though your goal is just sex. And it sounds like, wait, what? So it's like,
Basically what I'm gonna explain is that when pursuing a girl that you pretty much just want to enjoy sexually you still have to have some type of plan Set up to gain and benefit from her in another area. Absolutely. And this will make things go much smoother I guarantee you because
The idea is to value her most sexually. Meanwhile, she thinks you're valuing her most for something else. So it's like you're putting her to task. You're putting her on a mission. And that mission could be something that's to help her. So if she's five or six pounds overweight or something, you could say, you know what? I'm going to take you out. I'm going to celebrate. I'm going to take you out to celebrate when you do this. And that's code for I'm going to dick you down good. You see what I'm saying?
And what you're doing is you're literally building your own pedestal when you do that.
You're building a pedestal with that. Correct. But you're using your patience and your dick control. You're not just dicking her down from jump. If you dick her down from jump, she could get this strange idea that she's above you. And it's her blessing you with her cooter. Completely. Right? So you got to flip the script and make her work for the dick. Completely. But what that's going to do is that's going to imprint on her brain. Because what other guy did that? Exactly. No other guy did that. You know what I mean?
the lead, but all you have to do now is delegate validation.
She does what she needs because she's going to be coming back to you for another task. What now, daddy? You know what I mean? And I think that's a better way to be dealing with chicks because...
them respecting you and admiring you and then also them benefiting from you somewhere is like the pillars that are going to keep them focused on
just you, so they don't have that idle time to kind of get distracted by some other dumb shit that's not even, you know, good for them. So you got to kind of have that in mind that that's the chemistry you want with a chick.
And it doesn't have to just be instant is what I'm trying to say. It doesn't have to be like, "Oh, you see how that girl is with that guy? It's because he's 6'2". Or, "It's because he's rich". It could be because he's laying bricks, he's laying foundation. Correct. Absolutely. Hey, you see tall guys get divorced, rich guys get divorced. It's all out there. So there's a lot more to the game than the basic intangibles that...
A lot of people wanna pretend, and that's just cope, that's just an excuse. I can't pull this off because he's this and I'm not, that's just- Oh, definitely, I mean, all day. And that's something that, because like I said, it wasn't,
easy for me i had to kind of be sly to kind of figure out how to kind of get you know some some quality in time with girls it wasn't as tough as it is nowadays with social media you know glaring in their in their face i mean like if that other guy wasn't like eye shot you had a chance back in the day but now he's in her phone that's right so it's kind of it kind of it kind of sucks but i saw nerds that had girlfriends i saw a fat dude there was this fat dude we called him kool-aid
That's how we used to make, we used to joke with him like, "Yo, what up, hun?" But the thing was, he was always fresh. He was always dipped. Outfit immaculate. Always fresh, crispy sneakers. And he always had all the girls around him. And he was funny. And
"Kasmasmatic" you know what that word is, right? Charismatic. Charismatic. Yeah, there you go. I just slipped my tongue for a second. But, um, and it's like, I saw that early. Like, I was like ninth grade. I noticed that. And I think I registered it correctly. Like, you don't have to be the best looking guy.
you just need to shine in something. - Correct, absolutely. - Something. Something about you gotta be
Top-notch you're better than most people in some area and I think even if you're a gamer once you start making money gaming this groupies for Games for everything. Yeah, you could like Harry Potter shit. There's girls that are into that. I was groupies for serial killers So I mean, no, you know, you're not lying so I think a lot of guys just have this defeatist attitude and they're trying to act as if this issue is on the women when it really it's a lack of desire really
Because I think the discipline comes after the desire. So it's a lack of desire and then you're making excuses for why you lack desire, why you don't want it bad enough. Because let's say there's a hundred guys in a room and there's 20 girls. 20 of those guys are going to get a girl. Your mentality shouldn't be, oh man, we're all numbered, forget it, it's over. No, your mentality should be, I got to be one of these 20 guys. You know what I mean? That should be my concern. And I think the issue with the manosphere
is that it's
It's that. It's not the men as fair, if I'm making any sense. It's the man as fair and everybody's tapping in and tuning in.
monoistically, like just for themselves. Correct. And
I think all the problems and the issues that we talk about
they're not really like females are the issue or
- Feminism is the issue. I think the issue is a collective absence of men. - Correct. - I think is what the issue is. And the reason why I say that is because I think everything else stems from that. I think the men kind of falling back
Everything else has taken its place. Right, and not controlling the narrative, and not guarding the truth, you know, viciously. Like, no, I am not going to let you say there's more than two genders. I am not going to let you say these things that aren't true. Because that virtue isn't front and center anymore is why all these other issues are offshooting all over the damn place. But I feel like in the manosphere, we keep limiting it to a issue and a man.
And it's like, whoa, this problem's bigger than him. - That's true. - It's bigger than me, it's bigger than any of us, but it's not bigger than all of us. - Correct. - So I feel like the message is like, focusing more on the symptoms than it is on what a difference would look like. - Such a perfect full circle, what you were saying earlier, about how the power is with the people in your life. - Right, right, exactly. - Right. - Exactly. - And I think that's what the Manosphere should have been doing first and foremost.
Like, hey, these things are going on, and here's a space where we can talk about it. What? For real? Yeah, we can talk about it here. This internet thing's pretty cool, because we could be anywhere and talk about it. Okay.
But I feel like it didn't go anywhere after that. It's just still us talking about it. And the conversation that we aren't having is, how can we ignore absolutely all of our differences and just focus on one thing, Y chromosome?
Yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah, that's it because we all agree on what we don't like. If you think about it. We disagree on all these other things. How you view it? What do you think could be done? And I don't like the way he said that or I disagree with him. But the issues, we don't disagree on the issues. We don't we don't disagree that the that the divorce laws need to be fair. It's a really good point. So why do we not make that happen as
Men, collectively, why aren't we going to whoever the government officials or whatever and being like, listen, look how many men signed off on this shit. Completely. We're going to have to change it or else guess what? Dudes aren't getting married. Completely. Says who? Says the internet. And since every dude has heard it and had read the article, he had to stop and think, shit, I was engaged and I was going to get married in four years. But because this information is here and I'm reading it, I definitely agree with their point. This shit that I'm about to head into doesn't look like a good deal for me.
It looks pretty fucking risky. And I'm being referenced thousands of accounts of other men that have gotten married. And basically what they're saying is we need to stand together, sign some petition or some shit, saying that no man will get married until these laws are changed. So even the dudes that are engaged got to stop and think, huh.
And when their fiance has a problem with that, that's a red flag.
You have a problem with me feeling comfortable? With me feeling protected? Me feeling, your shit is fair? - That's true. - Now I feel like we need this mother fucking petition more than ever. - Yeah. - Because that means that I'm at risk.
If you don't agree with this and I go in with this, do you understand what I'm saying? If you don't agree with us petitioning this and I go into this contract with this, with these,
conditions i don't have a chance you're gonna me you're gonna you're gonna fuck me over right so i think what's what the main main issue is is that men stopped operating united correct and that's why they could shut this person up and silas this person and take down that person and do all this because it's that person yeah it's not men yeah if it was men in general and and what i find interesting is is that the attacks are always men in general yeah the attacks are the attacks
and the attack is why Harvey Weinstein did this. So now we need laws for all of you. Correct. Correct.
Okay, this guy did this, we need laws for all of you. You see what I'm saying? We need to limit all of you. We need to quiet and silence all of you, and we're gonna put a law here, we're gonna put a rule here, we're gonna put all this shit that affects us
Thank you.
collectively, but yet how we address these issues
- Thank you.
It...
It's not collectively correct. So I think that's something simple that the man's fear is missing I mean, who am I to say that but that's just the way that I see it. I'm like hmm. I
We're taking the fire as a group and we're having our grievances. We're talking our grievances out.
But...
Why are we not pushing back as one united front? I agree. And I think there's a lot of egos in the space that prevent some of that happening. There's a few characters who everyone has their own particular view. And I think the problem with some of it, and this is a guess, but some of the guys who are teachers in the space, they came to their views through trauma with women. So their view is linked to trauma. So if you attack their view, it becomes a very emotional thing for them. And all the things we were talking about earlier about men being able to disagree and shake hands, that's gone.
to have a united front. So it's kind of amazing how all the issues we've talked about in the world, and all the things you talked about, how building blocks are missing when people don't have groups of men at a formative age, and how we talked about how we're all divided, etc. Every single thing is a spider's web. It's not even a chain. It's a spider's web. It's all ties into each other.
Yeah. And I mean, it's definitely by design, but I think there is still little things that could be done that they might not have even expected. I think I think there's still possibility. If you put some creativity, um,
with everybody, you know, banding together. Yeah. Because, I mean, look, if you can make, say, like, slut walk, like a thing. Yeah. And every chick has heard a slut walk. Even if she doesn't support it and she didn't, like, go wear the weird costume and paint her body or whatever, she's heard a slut walk. So I feel like what we simply need is just to simplify...
demands.
and demands that nobody can disagree with without exposing themselves as being biased. Because what we ask for is very, very fair and practical and reasonable. And I think we need to just determine that as a group of men and then get that...
to men on a whole because obviously the space isn't that big but the space is big enough to create a blueprint or create a list agreed right or or not 10 commandments but 10 10 uh grievances yeah that need to be rectified in this way correct because for example civil rights and all these other kind of things they they they did very little right and we can debate that another day but the very few things they did which was simply because they were demands made in writing like you're gonna do
or else. And I think men have to stop acting like we don't have that power. You fucking crazy. Who keeps the lights on? Who keeps the roads? You know, who maintains anything? All the infrastructure is maintained by men at the end of the day. That's true. So, when women can say things like, oh, you know,
all men are dogs because this percentage of men does this. Well, why aren't you saying that all men are incredible because of the percentage of men that build this? Come on, you're being biased with your way of thinking. Your way of thinking is flawed because I can use that same logic to say that all men are good because of the percentage that have contributed great things to society. And the same way you say, well, how come there isn't 50% female CEOs and all this kind of stuff? Well, I can answer that fucking question because women aren't working that hard or that passionately
Let's just go with that
that form of thinking well why aren't you bitching that there isn't 50 percent women cleaning the garbage and in sanitation yeah why are you not complaining that they're not on boats catching crabs and correct you're not complaining about that so let's just be consistent with the logic and i think that's only going to come from the men yeah and to expect that from women i think is asinine it's like why are we even still upset that women aren't logical i thought we knew that we knew that they're not not logical and rational that's why we need to be the ones setting the tone
is not this like complaining victim culture bullshit. First of all, that should never work for men because we aren't supposed to be the victims. We're supposed to be the people that protect the victims. So we definitely can't win anything coming off as poor us and it's not fearing, it's not fearing stuff. We can't go that route. But we can go the route of this is what we're not gonna do until you change this. And something as simple as men saying we're not gonna get married,
will be engaged in the coffin until this gets done. Because I'm a dude and this is what the dudes are doing, and I can't not be one of the dudes that's down with this because how would that even work? Because I agree with everything that's on this paper. And the moment that I don't support this, I must not be making my own decisions. Some girl must be twisting my arm, or does my mom? - A lot of these girls aren't twisting their arm, it's another problem. - Right, but you're telling yourself at that moment, and it tells on your girlfriend.
When you're supporting this list, something's flawed here because nothing on this list isn't fair or just for men to want. So we're not asking...
for 80% custody result. We're not asking for alimony from women. That's not what we're going to ask for. We're going to ask that 50-50 custody is granted unless there's some extreme reason why she can prove otherwise. That's the default setting is the guy gets 50-50. So we're going for things like that is what we're going for. And when you make that list, if every guy agrees to not do...
What the threat is, it's not we're gonna do something, it's we're gonna simply stop doing something because we're men, remember? You rely on us to do this type of shit. Right? So that I think would make a huge difference. Even the acquisition of it would be like everybody would have to wake the fuck up. Everybody would have to have this conversation. No mainstream media, nobody could ignore it.
And then the women at the end of the day are going to be the ones that are going to have to make that call. Agreed. Because the women are going to say, listen, I could sit here and be a bitch and stick with my in-groove preference. The thing is, I want to get married. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where we got them by the balls. That's right. Is where we start refusing to do things collectively unless our demands are met collectively. Agreed. And then you see all these states start to change laws and rules. Yeah. Because what will happen is somebody's going to make it political and say, listen, you know what?
if we change this law, we can get all the support this way. We can get a bunch of people to move over here
And now we can open up more businesses, schools, and whatnot over here in this area. So somebody's going to use that as a means to get their agenda across. If we have a population issue, we get a lot of people to move here.
because they want to get married and hear the laws protect the dude, right? So I think there's just a lot of things that we can do, and I'm nowhere near the smartest man that's in the manosphere, and that's my point, that there's somebody in there that's a genius that will be coming up with this type of shit, and all we got to do is sign off. We can write. We're literate. Correct. I agree. You know what I mean? So that's all that I would like to see from the manosphere, and I think that the window is closing because we know that censorship is coming. A hundred percent.
I feel like the Mansford has had enough time to get a message of,
um an actual plan like a plan that could actually fundamentally work none of that men's rights bullshit none of that holding up signs none of that stupid shit yeah you know what i mean just straight up delegating somebody that has access to some large platform to make that call to arms because what we're asking for support from the everyday man that's never heard of yeah the red pill in the manosphere and i think that would be one of the best ways to even grow the space and get the word out there is making it something so dramatic as
a boycott. Because that's going to draw interest within itself. Like, who? There's men that are having a boycott? Boycott on what?
It's true. Right? And so what you will get on Fox 5 and mainstream media every once in a while is a short news story about men boycotting marriage. Yeah. But it's always a couple of individuals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's a salacious story real quick. And then we move on. So that's kind of how they acknowledge it. So nobody can say, why are we talking about this is a big issue. They can say, no, no, no, we did. We did a story on that already. Yeah. We did a story on that last month.
But they didn't really let anyone know how severe it is. Correct. So when the public sees that, they think, oh, these silly guys. Like, there are a few silly guys out there. Who think this. That think this or say something so ridiculous. But the truth of the matter is a much larger majority of men think that way. And we're not connected, though, as the problem is we don't realize how big we are. When I discovered, like, the red pill space or whatever you want to call it,
I swear to God, it was almost like any minute now, can they say something that I didn't already think or feel or notice? And to find out that there's like a group of men, there's a community of men that talk about this shit and think like this. So I was MGTOW long before, like, I knew some word for it. There was just a time in my life where I was like, yo, you know what? I'm gonna get on some James Bond shit. No relationships. I'm gonna keep them short. I'm gonna keep them to this period.
and right when it stops being new, I'm going to jump into another new car. Like, all of those characteristics, I decided for myself. And like, yo, I'm not going to live with the woman. I'm not going to...
Been there, done there, did all of that, right? Organically. Yeah. So,
the fact that
there's that many men, it's a growing space of men that are thinking and feeling like that. It's like, alright, some of you guys are really late to the party, but this is good. Because I'm sure there's guys in the 60s and 70s that were well aware of female nature and seeing kind of how they had to move, you know what I'm saying?
they didn't have the technology that we have, but they still already kind of saw the certain female nature traits that are timeless. Right. And they make they chose a different lifestyle. That's what I'm trying to say. They chose the playboy lifestyle or whatever, like the Hugh Hefner type of type of flow where you're
focusing on being successful and having that power we talked about so that you could access beautiful women as a hobby.
And I know that's something that you said at one point in time was a hobby of yours. And the conversation that you were having was about,
Money.
and how people with money spend money and how they understand and interpret money. And they look at it as they're going to be making money with their money. And you were talking about the difference between rich people that are very frugal and rich people that are very flashy. And what you were saying is basically you can't judge somebody spending their money extravagantly if you don't even understand why they're doing that. What is their goal or their mindset? And you were saying you personally, you love beautiful women,
is fucking spent. So if you want to play this game at the level that you intend to play it, you can't go with the sixes and the sevens and the 7.5s or you got to go with the straight tens or the undeniable ten that most people have never even seen in their life.
Right? And there's a cost to play at that table. Correct. Right? So...
I think there's many things like that in life where guys are maybe shying away from it.
It's something that they would like, something that they would want, but they're shying away from that price. Yeah. I'm not talking about just financially. I'm talking about whatever the work load could be. 100%. Right? If you want to write a book, are you willing to not sleep for three months?
Thank you.
- No, no, you're completely right, man. You nailed it. There's so many points you made there that are so valid and completely true. And in regards to masculine agency and us uniting as a whole, and us being able to take some of our rights back, that's something that needs to happen. Is it gonna happen?
I mean, I don't want to be pessimistic. It certainly needs to happen. And if anyone can do it, it is the red pill space. We now know what the objective is, but you're right. The whole space lacks an overall objective and it kind of feels like it gets to a point where there's a bunch of guys who are just self- Self-therapy, right? Self-therapeutic just complaining and complaining isn't gonna fix it. You're like, right, you need a plan of action. Nothing good happens on accident. What did we say earlier? Nothing good happens on accident. Because I feel like I
we have to protect ourselves. I feel like if men aren't protecting themselves, and when I say that,
Normally when you say that in this space, how it's interpreted as protect yourself as an individual. What I'm talking about is men protecting men. Yeah.
And because what ties our hands behind our backs is being alone. And then it's if I do or say this, I could lose my job. If I stand up for what I believe in or what I think,
you know, I'm going to be punished. I'm going to be socially punished and I'm going to suffer. So, but if we all move it forward collectively on a date, like it's like we're together, like the countdown, you know, the soldiers are assembled. What happens now is nobody can be singled out. So now people who do have a little bit of power can actually assert that power now to help men on a whole, because it's like, I can stand up and say these things and use my platform
because
everybody is behind me so you can't just you can't bully me or attack me because everybody's seeing this right now correct this is happening in real time this is happening publicly so i'm protected so when we say listen we're gonna boycott marriage until these laws are favorable to men all right put a paper clip in that next yeah okay we're gonna withhold our seed you you heard me every man has agreed to be responsible and hold back his seed and that's the part where they laugh
*laughs* Yeah, whatever.
"Most babies are born on accident anyway. "Y'all ain't gonna be able to stay out of the coochie. "It's going down." And then you let them laugh a little bit, and you say, "Okay, you done laughing?"
Because you know who most surgeons are that do vasectomies? Well, that's true.
They're men. Yeah, that's true. And you know they've also signed this petition and they've also agreed to do affordable vasectomies on everybody who wants them. Yeah.
Go ahead and laugh again. Yeah, it's true. Go ahead and laugh again. You see what I mean? Because they're 90 something percent reversible. So now that you think this is a fucking joke, I'd like to continue my list of demands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we mean that shit too. Yeah. And now you have who you think is going to be first to do that. Who's going to be first to do that is the guys that can afford it. Well, who can afford it? The wealthy guys. The guys in the top 10%, they don't be the guys in the top 20%, they don't be the guys in the top 30%. You see where I'm going with that? And they also have the most to lose, the wealthy guys. That's my point.
- That's a good fucking idea. - Yeah. - With all else said, that's a good idea. And now that you made it a social thing, you made it a trending thing, I'mma jump on that, too. And it's affordable as ever, so I like to save money. So I'mma jump on that. Then you're gonna have people that are like, listen,
"I'm a surgeon at so-and-so, and I'm trying to do this for as many men as possible, but not all men can afford it. Anybody that would like to make donations towards paying the cost of what?" Okay, again, men financing this. So what I'm saying is if we finance it,
as men, we protect each other as men, we share the platforms and the influences, and we share the abilities. Because those people being surgeons and being willing to do that, that makes it so that you can't laugh at that threat. Because now it became real, like, oh shit, all the men that are worth a damn and make good money are gonna be sterile? Until these laws change? Like, yeah. And now, don't get me wrong. I'm well aware that that's what the elite want.
But the thing is is that that's gonna be the conclusion anyway people not getting married and people not having children true What I'm saying is we need to make the threat on our terms because the women are too naive to see it coming correct But the women are the only ones that are gonna fight back the elites aren't at least gonna be like shit go ahead with this boycott We don't want y'all to get married. We don't want y'all to have kids, but it's the women that are gonna be like, um Excuse me, mr. Judge. We think that um
and we got this million women that signed. And we think that, yeah, we would like those terms on our wedding, on our wedding certificates, because we do want to get married and we do want to have children. I agree. And then I think there's some irony in there, because like you were saying before,
the design is men and women working together. That's the mold. That's the design that works best. And the irony is that this ish that was made to separate us, the solution can very well require
Both teams. Right, the coming together. Because the same way the elites use the women to vote their bullshit in, playing with their emotions, okay, well, we need to use the women to vote that shit out. You know what I mean? Change your mood, change your mind. Right, change that mood, change your mind. And nothing gets a woman in line like an assertive man that has something she wants or needs.
How do you think men have kept women in check? It's cold out there, isn't it? You'd like to come in this cave? You'd like to come in the cave? Okay, are you gonna behave? I
Okay, come in the cave. Sure. There's some dare over there. You see what I mean? That's always been the case. She had to play by the rules because she needed
his protection, his resources. So yes, they've given women the ability to work and also that kind of stuff. But what's the one thing that women even agree that they need us to agree to? That's marriage and our seed. Yeah.
They need the man's seed. You nailed it. You nailed it. So we need someone to put all this together. So anyone who's watching... Anyone who's watching... I mean even the sperm banks. The sperm banks will go out of business. If men all sign a petition and agree, "Listen, I don't care how broke you are, bruh, don't go up there and sell your mangers." But we boycotting. No mangers can be on the market.
What are women gonna do, bro? They got no choice. Alright, man, but listen, thank you for coming. Super appreciate it. I know you're busy. And I need to say one more thing. You painted me this, bro. Look at this. Miami Vice. Gangster. You're a talented man. You're a talented man, brother. Thank you very, very much. Appreciate that, man. Thank you. We appreciate what you mean to the space. Because people have asked me, I never really answer, but people have asked me, like, what do you think Andrew Tay? And I'm just like, I don't know. Extra views.
I can't answer this question without sounding like a fanboy. So, you know, because I think,
a lot of people in this space, as far as people that are in a public eye to an extent, content creators or whatever, there is like that stigma that they're not genuine. - Yeah. - Right? So you have like that willingful ignorance where people are just like, you know what?
I'm going to believe it because I like this character that's being sold to me. So I'm just going to naively believe it. And then later on, I might have to foolishly defend it. But whatever. And then you have the other people that are straight skeptics. They're like, this person is probably an asshole. And all they care about is money and material gain and blah, blah, blah. And that was never the vibe that I got for you.
Good to know, bro. So I appreciate that, man. Good to know, G. Good to know. And man, it's been fun. We'll do another one. We'll do another one soon. Yeah, hopefully in another country, bro. Let's do it, man. Let's do it.
All right, y'all. Peace.