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Katie, thank you very much for coming. Thank you for having me. Welcome to Romania. It's a nice place. Actually, I like it. Have you ever been before?
I've never been before, so I hopped out a few days early.
to understand a bit of the place
understand why you might be here
What have you seen? Tell me your observations. I know. I wanted to get it because I like to to
scurry around on the roads like a little rat
to find out a place
where someone is because I don't really understand or didn't really understand why you're here.
But I think I might do a little bit more now. What have you seen? Why do you think I've moved here?
I think
I think Romania makes you feel
more free.
because it's a country that pretty much lets people get on with themselves isn't a
doesn't seem like it wants to interfere in people's lives.
which might be a post-communist thing. And also it's quite a male culture, so the male role is very clearly defined and the female role is very clearly defined.
and I think here,
even as a stranger in a foreign land
you feel more at home. Yes, I think you're absolutely correct.
It's the most Christian country in the world.
And despite their recent events towards me, which we can talk about a little bit later,
I think you're absolutely correct.
when I was looking for a place to live,
I realized when you analyze the world,
You have to either be afraid of the law or you have to be afraid of the criminals.
and there's nowhere perfect. The worst places on the planet, you'd be afraid of both.
Like America, for example, you have to be afraid of the criminals and the law. They'll both wreck you, right? In England, you don't have to really fear the law so much. They'll try and take your money away, but I think the police are pretty inept and useless as a whole for anything.
besides coming for us.
But then you have to fear the criminals. Look at London now, right? Yeah. So Romania is a very safe place.
You didn't really have to fear the law or the criminals. It was a pretty safe place where you were left alone to do what you wanted to do, and it felt very free until this recent episode, but we can go down that rabbit hole as to whether it was even Romania who did that at all.
I think for the people at home who aren't exactly familiar with who you are, you can tell everybody your story and because you and I have had some similar experiences and then we can have a nice complaint about the world. We have gone through, I think.
We've gone through some very similar things in different times. And so I should explain to people that my name is Katie Hopkins.
I am the most banned
woman
on the planet. Congratulations. Thank you very much. No problem. I should explain that I am a woman.
because there's always questions about that. And currently I have something wrong with my voice and so I sound like I'm offered
RuPaul drag race. So it's really not helping with the whole trans thing. But just to clear that straight up. I'm the most banned. I'm banned from countries. I'm banned from South Africa banned from Australia. South Africa. Why South Africa. Because I so my work is really just telling truth from the road. I say that's what I do. And I go places spend time in places.
to show people what's actually going on. So I went to South Africa, slept on South African farms,
White South African farmers are being hunted from their land by black gangs. I went there, lived on those farms for three months when the monsters come. Wow. And
on leaving the country because the ANC became aware that I was in country. On leaving, they had fiddled and altered the system, changing the country I was born from. So my passport didn't match who I was. And I was held at South Africa, detained, my passport taken. I was going to be taken off to a cell.
there were lads in the car park of the
airport ready, loaded, ready to go.
if I was gonna be detained, because you don't come back from that. And as a result, I was banned, because I was trying to tell the story of the white farmers. So that was, that's South Africa off my list. - And Australia? Why'd Australia ban you? - Australia. - I'm a bit jealous, I've yet to be banned from a country, yet. - I know you think you're just this like Billy Big Bollocks, but in fact, you've really not even touched the side. - I haven't even started. - What have you done? What have you just done a bit of jail time? - Yeah, that's true, you're right. - That's it, that's it. - You're right. - So Australia,
with the insanity of lockdowns and the tyranny
against the people at that time. Australia was one of the worst. Yeah. So there was this guy, Dan Andrews. I remember. Yeah. Right.
And it was so, you weren't allowed to browse
in a store, they had commercials telling you, you don't browse, you had to keep your trolley or cart, or whatever language we speak, moving at a certain rate of knots in the supermarket. - Draconian insanity. - Like, totally.
and at the same time
they invited me
to go over there
to do Celebrity Big Brother, which you'll know is a show for idiots and retards. And so I said,
Yeah, sure, I'll do that.
And so I went over
They put me into prison quarantine because, and respectfully, it's not prison like you know.
And after two days there, bear in mind, no one was allowed to go there. No one was allowed to go back to their children. You couldn't go to see your dad if he was dying in hospital. And they flew me in.
to do "Celebrity Big Brother" with Caitlyn Jenner, and Meghan Markle's
brother, whatever.
And so after two days, and I was not allowed to say where I was, I was not allowed to say
um what i was doing there i was not allowed to go online i was not allowed to breathe i wasn't allowed to leave my room i wasn't allowed to open the door i wasn't let
And I was suffocating with the insanity. I was doing anything to try and get attention from anywhere, like standing at the window of my prison, like flashing at the offices. Not that that would maybe just some sympathy that I would elicit. But it turns out the offices were locked down as well. So no one opposite me on my balcony could see me either. And I was like, right.
And so I
went online, bear in mind I'm not allowed to be online, went live on YouTube,
And then I
I kind of got excited
And I said, "You know what?" Because the military were going up and down the stairwells, up and down the corridors to check that no one was trying to leave the hotel lockdown. I was like, "The next time they knock on my door,
and deliver my food. You were supposed to wait 30 seconds to get the food because COVID knew. And I had an egg timer I was supposed to turn because COVID would know. Anyway, I was like, the next time they knock on my door,
I'm gonna get naked. I'm gonna cover myself in
oil and I'm going to run down the corridor and I'm going to, this works better if you had hair, I'm going to grab the security guard by this head and I'm going to drag him back to my apartment and I'm going to do, and I made some
sexually, physically gestures that are not appropriate and I am gonna do bad things to him. And then
That went.
Crazy. So BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN reported that that actually happened. That I'd run the apartment block naked, that I sexually violated security staff and I was fined.
banned, deported from Australia.
I am very curious. See? You've got some shit to catch up on, sir. Well, it's true. I'm very curious if Australia's going to let me in when I finally get out of this debacle. I'm not sure if they will or not. Oh, well, they'll have so much fun.
talking about...
why you shouldn't be allowed. Of course, yeah. And do they already know that you want to go? Not yet. Because I saw the recent stuff, who was it, The Economist, was it, that pushed some stuff out about the fact that you are 100% to blame for young boys deciding that maybe they'd quite like to be a bit stronger. So I wondered if that was a preliminary for you trying to be there. Oh, yeah, everything's my fault. And this is how the MSM works. Absolutely, everything's my fault. They found some idiot. I don't know. I can't even remember what crime he committed. Some idiot did
thing.
And the entire report wasn't about who this idiot was or what he did. It was that he followed me on Twitter. Yes. Well, I was like, well, nine million people follow me on Twitter. It doesn't matter. One day he liked your tweet. And that was why he turned into a mad cat rapist. Literally. I know it's so interesting because I don't know why you have a problem with it, frankly. Well, if Taylor Swift
I'd like to see someone crash a car listening to Taylor Swift. And then to blame the whole car crash on Taylor Swift's music. That would be fine. Taylor Swift fan.
- Vehicular homicide. - She's fine because she's pro-Biden, so she can't be touched. She's the untouchable.
So let's start off with an easy question. Let's start off with something more normal. Our conversation is a bit odd.
Because we both come at it from like, oh, yeah, I'm banned from South Africa. I'm bad. Oh, I've been in a Romanian South. We're not kind of standard in that regard. That's right. Yeah. Do you think the law is real?
Do you believe in the law at all? I'm just going to give you my I don't want to taint your answer. Okay, but
In my experience,
I've come to the conclusion that it's all just made up garbage, and it's completely subjective.
and it's unfairly applied.
And the law is so complicated. Nobody knows the law.
People sit and say, "Oh, I live in England or I live in America." You don't know the law. You haven't read the book. And if you did read the book, you still wouldn't get it. And it probably changed by the time you finish reading it. Nobody knows the law. They can hit you with anything at any time.
And then you say, well, how is it applied judges?
What's a judge?
And then you start to sit and think, well,
If my legal predicament can affect
the entire population as a whole, would they really leave that decision up to some random judge who went to law school or would there be something else involved in it?
if my guilty or innocent is going to affect the populace of an entire nation
And then you start to think,
Is this all just bullshit?
Is it all just made up?
You agree with me? Well there's three things and when I was little
you know, you grew up believing in them. And it was very, very reassuring. So my father would say, "The law's the law.
"The law is the law." And I'd be like, "Mm." And my mom would say, "You can trust a teacher."
and then if you had a problem when you were little you were told if you've got a problem you go to the police so there's the law
There's democracy, the idea that your vote does actually count. And then there's also medical science.
So this idea that doctors do no harm. And then as you grow up or you have a realization or you come to where I've come to a long time ago, which is,
you realize the law,
is an illusion.
The law is simply
a tool of control
and that it can be manipulated in any way
and interpreted in any way according to the behest of whomever is paying to
make it that you are always guilty. And it's why it breaks my heart sometimes to see good people. And when I say our side, I don't mean color, race, religion, nothing. I just mean people who want everyone to be as free as they can be and as happy as they can be.
when you see people saying, well,
I'm going to take this to court because inside your soul somewhere as I did
you believe it is not possible they can find me
guilty or wrong because it's so obvious I never caused someone, in my case, serious harm.
But it turns out that isn't the case. It'll be whatever they decide
to shut you up. Yep, it's all a scam and you're completely right and
You just mentioned the medical system, the judicial system, the legal system, the financial system. Every single system is a scam from head to toe. And then what they're trying to do is shut up the people who point that out as opposed to fix the system.
And what is really, really powerful that doesn't get spoken about is it is much, much, much more comfortable
to believe in the things. Completely. It is much better for if I was you know your regular retard. It is much better for me to believe in law. It is much nicer for me to think that there is justice. Of course. Oh Lady Justice is blind. No she isn't. And it's much more comfortable for me to believe that this doctor actually
will help me.
I prefer that.
When someone tells me you're a monster, look at him saying all these things that the law is not the law and finance isn't finance. I don't actually
I don't really want to.
believe what I'd rather think you were a monster and a predator and an animal and
the biggest bitch in Britain because I don't think I want to know what he knows. Yeah. And that's the the that's actually the sophistication of this model. It is much easier to be a moron. Oh absolutely. There's willful willful ignorance because you're right. Your worldview changes and it's a very scary place when you when you realize that everything you're supposed to rely on. Yeah. And you just run away. Right. You don't want to go near it. It's
It's much better to just believe that you're monsters and you're conspiracy theorists and you are crazy. Completely. And even people close to me, they said,
But you've done nothing wrong. Why don't you just get a lawyer? I'm like, oh, I didn't think of getting a lawyer. Oh, fantastic idea. Let me just get a lawyer and tell him I didn't do it.
You fixed all my troubles. Why didn't I think of that? The whole thing is a scam. So...
I'm interested because you still live in the UK, I believe. Is that correct? I do. I haven't been in England for 10 long years.
And from what I've seen and from the outside, it's getting worse by the day. - I know. Well, we miss you, so why didn't you come on back? 'Cause it would suit me perfectly, Tommy. - You know, the UK government,
hates me. Yeah. I talk about me in Parliament every five minutes, every five minutes. They're saying I'm the cause of everything. Yeah. And it's it's truly insane.
At the time we're filming this podcast, 30 minutes ago, did you see what happened in Australia?
There's a jihad attack right now in Australia.
So they're running around stabbing, this guy was stabbing people in a mall in Sydney.
A guy stood up with a
bollard, I guess, from a thing trying to resist against him.
so when things go wrong you want masculinity right but other but otherwise masculinity is the worst thing in the world
And they've come along saying that I'm bad and students don't listen to teachers anymore purely because of only me. Because before that, they all listened. Might be because teachers are so dull, never passed a GCSE in their lives, are stupid as
as it comes and are pushing an agenda. But when you say they...
You have to differentiate. There's a great many people in Britain who obviously I don't speak for anyone but myself. And if people out there can't stand me, please know I'm not trying to speak for you. But a great many people would rather love it.
if you came back to Britain. I would particularly. Well thank you. No of course. And a great many women like me
emphasizing again that I am a woman, would love it
if men were like you, strong and
and powerful and able to like your security detail, I take care of things. That's what we want. That's the masculine role. I know, but we want it. And we're being spoken about sometimes as if we don't want that. We flat and well do. So is England an occupied country then? Why does the parliament, why is the government doing everything adverse to what the populace actually want? Why is the government trying to lock me up and put me in jail when nobody actually agrees with them?
You know when BBC or Sky News, maybe it's similar with you, whenever they post any video about me, they have to turn the comments off. Because if they don't, everyone supports me the whole way down the video. So they're like the most hated man and the comments have to be off or it's all like, no, we hate you, we hate you, we hate the MSM.
So these people, it's like it's an occupied nation now in the West. Yes. And then I don't want to go too deep down the rabbit hole. You should. I'm here. Well, I'm known for that. But that's where all this democracy crap comes from. That's why they're so interested in spreading it, because they can manipulate it and lie. And then they can rig all the elections. Then you can end up with people in charge and nobody wants to be in charge and nobody trusts. And they say things that nobody likes. And the judicial system's a lie. The money's a lie. Everything's a lie.
But but you know what's crazy?
The patriot in me is genuinely upset about England. Yes. I'm telling you, like when I see what's happening to Great Britain, I feel really sad. Exactly. And and I guess that's where we have this thing between people who feel a country, right? Which why I like to be in countries because you can feel them. And the thing is, despite being occupied in the sense with the political class and despite
the pushing of things that have no bearing on ordinary, decent British people. And by that, I mean anybody who came to join us that just wants to get along. Yeah.
they're ordinary people, decent Brits,
They're still there.
You know, they're the people that I'll be with on St. George's Day. They're the people that turn up to my stuff. They're the people in the street that shout,
Gwan Hopkins, which I still haven't. I need some Tate advice actually. That was one of the things I was going to ask you
Because you're supposed to be cool, I believe. I mean, I know. I do my best. Who knows? I do my best. But I need a physical response. So when someone...
Oh look, I'm winding down a car window on IQ. So when someone puts down their car window and shouts, go on Hopkins or go on Tate.
What's, what? Because at the moment I go,
So what's cooler? That's pretty cool. That's not cool. That's cool.
Yeah, that's perfect. You nailed it. No, I didn't. Yeah, you did. Well, can you have a think about it? Say fuck Sadiq Khan. Say that instead.
Then they'll probably just hear the word "fuck" if that goes so well. But what I'm trying to say is beneath the
vapid exterior of the news headlines that no one ever left their desk to find out anyway. And beneath the exterior of politicians who use your name because they're hoping for some eyeballs on them. So they use you. 100%.
is a solid
Rock of, mm, proper people. - And you know what's funny? This is the-- - I love it.
When you're English,
It's extremely difficult to explain because I'm half American, half English. But I left America when I was nine. I grew up in England. And you got new teeth. And I got new teeth. So you're trying to deny your British heritage. Look at mine. Look. And then look at yours. Sorry. We need more straight whites in the great. Well, darling, I don't disagree with that. There you go. So. But I feel English and it's very hard to explain British culture to someone who's not British. The other day I was driving here through Romania and some guy crashed his car and I can't park there.
- Yeah, or like the ambulance going by with the thing, and you go, "You never sell ice creams going that fast," and you'll just get dead looks 'cause no one else will. - No one thinks we're funny. - No one gets it. - No one likes beans on toast. They don't get it. - And also that kind of, you know, when the worst happens, you know, you're on the floor, things have dislocated, you're missing teeth and blood, and you're like, "Oh, I'm really glad that happened, "because I didn't have anything else to do today." You know, our ability to laugh at
hurt is probably actually
one of the reasons we're both
somewhat still standing. 100%. And my kind of solid rock goes back. I signed up for the military straight out of uni. I went through the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and I signed up to fight for my country for 35 years. Wow. So so my
the reason I feel that rock of the country is I belong in it. Yeah, I can't help. I will always belong in it. You have that. I see that. I miss it. I'm going to get you back. I know. Do you think the country can be saved?
Do you think the UK can be saved? You, bring your brother, brother. Okay. Lovely. Yeah. Bring...
Pudonpudong. What's he called?
Security Bogdan. - Yeah. - Bring him, I like him very much. - Yeah. - And the rest of your army. - Yeah.
I think you and me, Tristan.
Bogdan? We could
sort shit out. You think we could fix it? Tommy?
We've got some good people on our team. We do, but don't you feel like, not to be a pessimist. Oh, come on, we're lifting the mood. But don't you feel like the war in the West is almost basically over?
Don't you get that feeling one day some days we wake up and just go, this system is such a mess and everything is so destroyed now.
that I don't think it can be saved on any level. Am I just being a pessimist now? No, no, no.
you're speaking absolute truth.
Because the cities have rotted.
This is the problem with England. When I go to England, you go to Kent or somewhere and it's beautiful, but then you go to any major city, it's over.
It's not even a matter of because people, and we'll talk about my reversion to Islam, will be an interesting conversation. Because I still believe, despite my personal beliefs, that Christian countries should be Christian and Islamic countries should be Islamic. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
And then we can go down the conversation as to whether
England is being conquered and occupied because there's a power vacuum, because Christianity has become so weak, which I actually think is the main problem. And that's the reason I think a lot of this is happening.
But I just look at the country now and there seems to be
So little common sense and so little unity and the cities are nothing like they used to be. They're unrecognizable. Even London 10 years ago was a completely different place.
Is it a losing battle, do you think? Yes. So the battle is lost for my country, your country. It's over.
But it doesn't mean
- I mean, I say-- - You can enjoy the war, huh? - Yeah, well, exactly. You win the battle to win the war. So maybe the war is over.
But...
But the fight now is the battles.
So for me, it's the battle of
of the morale of the troops, right? It's the battle of the keeping that rock solid for as long as we can be solid, for gathering our side and lifting them up and showing that we won't go down.
without carrying this through. I'm all about holding the line. So there's the optimism, and I will always go to optimism when I have to.
in a darker conversation.
the war is over.
and in time
Christians will
move to Eastern lands, so to Eastern Europe, we will pull back to Poland, Hungary, potentially Romania and those lands.
and in time there will be the new crusades or there will not. But my view is very much like a relay runner
you know, this is, we carry the baton.
And I think probably you've reached a place, I certainly have many, many years ago, where as long as when I do my leg with the baton, I deliver that thing, I carry it. And, you know, if I can shove it up someone's ass to piss them off at the same time, I'll do that too. And then I will lay it in the hand. I will push it into the hand. That's my role as I see it.
and it might not involve the finish line and some medals.
It might just be involved being spat at a lot by a lot of people or
being understood to be a monster as I was for many decades
- Yeah.
But that's okay. I'm at one with my choices and what I know I am. I understand you completely.
I understand you completely. So the next question I have is why do you think the ruling elites of the West are doing this?
Why do you think the people in charge of England are doing what they're doing? I think it's easier to- Do you have a theory?
Okay.
It's easier to make it brief. Sure. No, no, please make it long. I'm very interested. I'm curious because my largest, I mean, for a long time, you, you kind of work, you kind of wonder why.
And then
I've come to the conclusion of my theory where it's basically just about money and power and they have no interest in anything else.
And it's the common man who's stuck on the ground who has to eat.
the problems as these globalists float around the world. I catch myself doing it before my incarceration, I was living in
15 countries and flying around on a private jet and you just you make money somewhere and you vanish. It doesn't matter anymore. And but I'm interested to hear your point of view on why you think the British government or why the people who are in charge of the British government are doing what they're doing to the state. I like we can go back to this as well, but I like we could be here for many days, it seems. But I like that you didn't vanish. I just wanted to say I really think you
just in terms of what's going on here in Romania for you and not that I know
you know, a tiny bit of any detail of it, and I don't pretend to, but I like that you and your brother
said we're going to stay here and front this up. So if something happens in the parliament or the courts or whatever, you're like, yeah, here we are then. And I think that was precisely the way to play that, which is we aren't going to be made to do what you think we're going to do. You want us to abscond. You were never going to abscond anyway, I'm sure. But I love that you just went, no, here we are. And now they've gone, oh, hold on. We need a bit more time because we haven't got our ducks in a row and we need to kick the can down the road a bit because you've gone, yeah, here we are. Absolutely.
well. Yeah, it's a pandemic of cowardice. This is the real pandemic of the world today. And a lot of men are cowards and
I agree with what you say in regards to the average British man. Most men in England agree with a lot of the things we say and understand the truth, but they're afraid to say it perhaps publicly or afraid to say it to their friends or afraid to say it online because they're scared of
The ball be knocking on the door and giving him some crap.
So I think that always taking the brave choice is probably one of the primary reasons they hate me. What have I really done or really said? OK, I've said a lot. Let me take that back. But one of the primary reasons they hate me is because I think I inspire bravery. Yes. And they people look at me, especially the young teenagers and go, no, I want to be like him. And when you inspire bravery, it's harder to sign up the population into absolute compliance with this garbage that they did in Australia. Because people stand up and say, no, I'm a G. You ain't locking me up. And this is what they hate me for. So my brother. Because you're free.
Like, okay, if you're sat in a Romanian cell,
actually
I would argue you're still more free
than most, even sat in the cell. I agree. Because freedom is something inside you. Yeah. And because you are...
very difficult it would appear to control
because you're free and you have the means to be free. Also, you're not tied by, and I understand, an average man is tied by a mortgage and needed to provide, and a wife that says, "But don't, you'll stuff everything up. "Shut up, we need to pay the mortgage." Many people are caught up in these traps of their own making. - The matrix. - But you're free. But to go back to where we were, which is where we were, which is what's the theory, is it's easier to manage decline than it is
to defend or grow a country or protect it. So the Trump model is the hardest route to take, to try and defend a country, to try and build a country, to become energy independent as he did, to put walls up. It's hard to do that stuff. You're just gonna be attacked on all corners all the time.
But to let a country just decline away and take the money as it declines is so easy. And it's what ever since Thatcher, I'd argue, that's what governments have done. I think that's a perfect way to put it, because when you're trying to fix dysfunction,
You're right, that's extremely difficult, but instead it's easier to normalize the dysfunction. Normalize it. Let's normalize dysfunction.
Oh, it's a large city. There's terror attacks. It's a big city. No big deal. And then heart attacks. No big deal. You had a heart attack. Oh, who knows why? He's a footballer. He was running. Of course he had a heart attack.
So they normalize the dysfunction and try to make as much money as possible and then they fly on a jet somewhere else. Exactly. And Skid Row, I've spent, so I've slept on Skid Row and for people that don't know Skid Row is the major homeless
it's a whole area. It's just homeless, homeless, and it's just you can smell it before you see it and it goes on forever. Just homeless people. I've slept on Skid Row and that's a really good example of normalising
things that aren't normal. So every day trucks go down with shower trucks, should someone want to shower. Every day the trucks go down with food. So everything that you would require in your life is provided whilst there's this chaos and melee, and you literally, it is just human feces in the street, but it's normalized.
because that's a way of dealing with the problem, normalize it. And that's what's going on, I think. Yeah. I think you're completely right. And then just to tie back into earlier when we were talking about Romania, I think Romania
is a country which is
If you look at the trend, the trend is a positive one. Yeah. And perhaps that's why I find it so appealing, because even in the few years I've been here, I've seen it change. And it's the fastest growing economy in Europe. And there's a lot more money here than people expect. And you see Mercedes and Lamborghinis and all these fancy cars and building, building, building everything. And they have all this money coming in. But the world is cyclical, right? So Romania will last a while and then it will probably collapse like the rest of the Western empires. And England's on its way out.
I wish I had a simple answer, but it seems every answer you come up with is somehow against some law or not allowed or some garbage. Yeah, but there are answers, and one of those answers is absolutely going back to remembering
who you are. And I guess that's kind of a personal thing for you and I is, you know, so I spent 20 years maybe, let's think. So I used to be on LBC Radio, which is a big radio station in London. I used to have my Daily Mail column. I used to be on Fox twice a week. I'm not trying to say I was, I was. I'm just saying...
at that time when I was probably the most
well known, I was also the most hated. The idea was I was a monster. People should believe I'm a monster. Everyone should hate me. And aren't I the worst? And people genuinely believe that, like with their hearts.
this
And so how do you survive and endure
either being hated or being targeted or your name always being slandered,
and you talk about how when they speak of you they always
they blame you. When they used to speak of me, it would always be the worst photo ever. It's a female kind of thing, right? I mean, and it's pretty easy to get a bad photo, but like they would put the worst and you'd look at and just, I look deeply evil and they were selling a monster. Yeah.
And how do you endure that stuff? How do you
stay true. And I think it's only by going inside. You're not going to find it out here. You know what I mean? There isn't going to be any amount of drugs or alcohol or
someone telling you you're great or whatever that will make it repaired. The only repair is to go inwards and go,
I'm not what they're saying I am.
I agree with you. In a quiet, quiet moment. Absolutely and I think there's there's no light without dark either and I think it's great to find your light by battling the dark of other people as opposed to
battling those around you. It's great. I'm kind of happy that there's this huge enemy out there because it keeps me very focused and it means I have a lot to do.
And it means that I'm never going to be without motivation. I'm always going to have something to say because they keep giving me ammo. But I do believe the Matrix is cracking. I'm still I think people are starting to really awaken, especially post COVID. I don't know what it's like in the UK, but.
where the people I speak to around the world globally, they are starting to lose their grip on things.
But then we enter a new realm, whether we think that's going to, I mean, in the short term, that'd be a fantastic thing for everybody to realize they're liars. But where does that go long-term when nobody believes anything the government says anymore, and everybody believes every system is broken, and everybody knows the MSM lies,
Where does that lead for a society? Yes. And I think that's where we come to kind of we are already kind of improvising these rough solutions, which I love. So that's why I've always been massively pro strong men that can do things right. So like for me, scaffolders, pretty much the hottest men there are. I love me. Have you ever scaffolded? No. I should consider a career change. Yes. Think of it. OK, please. And so I got moved on when I was in Rome last. I was just stood looking at scaffolders in the sunshine and I was asked to move on.
- Leering, public leering. - Yeah, they're like, come along, come on old lady, move along, move along. I love plumbers, I love electricians, I love plasterers, I love joiners, right? I love those boys. Because they can do stuff. Strong men that can do stuff. And so you say, where will we go when everything falls apart? Like, we think it will, which I can't wait for personally, bring it. I see us.
preparing
Right. I see us with our generators in our backyards and our water tanks and understanding how that works. And I see us with our to-go packs. You know, I used to laugh at preppers, you know, because it's preppers. Yeah. Yeah.
Do I always have a bag to go? Yes. Could my house power itself? Always when I'm not there. Would people be safe? You know, I see people preparing in their own little way.
And excuse me for spitting.
- No problem. - Which I just did.
saw it, but it didn't.
land on you. So that's good. And that's one of the reasons I think also
physically
When people say, what can I do?
Get ready. Yeah, right. Get ready. I'm excited for that too. Like I love to see young people training. I agree with you. I think that society is literally on the verge of collapse. I think that all the systems you just we were describing earlier that people need to believe in to keep them happy and functioning.
are going to fall apart and as people realize that courts of law are not courts of law they're political tools nobody's going to have faith in them at all everyone's going to want to take the law into their own hands
and it's going to get extremely dangerous.
My only
Like I said, I'm the pessimist here. Yeah, and I'm the optimist. Which is fantastic. We need both sides. You have good teeth and I don't. So there's that too. I think that
If I had to be truly pessimistic, I would wonder, are the people who are in charge of these governments and in charge of the world, do they understand where this is headed? Do they know where it's going to head? Do they know it's all going to collapse? And they want that to happen so that society becomes so unsafe.
so they can come along with a remedy, 'cause the only thing we'll give up our freedom for is safety.
like they did in COVID. So they can say, "Oh, look, everything's falling apart. "Look, everything's dangerous. "But here's a 15-minute city with a gate, "and here's an AI QR code on your forehead. "And now you're safe again, but you can't go anywhere. "Here's your CBDCs, here's your electric car, "here's your bugs.
sit still
and I worry that
when the chaos comes, unless there's some degree of organization amongst
the people who understand how the world works, they're gonna come along with a remedy that everyone's gonna quickly swap up, and we're gonna be in a worse position than before. - Well, I think we'll be segmented. We saw how we were segmented last time. That happened, that divide happened. There was a relatively, we were relatively few over on the side of understanding more of what was going on, the ones that were refusing the vax, that wouldn't take the booster, and or 15 of them. We were few.
But we were also very powerful. So there was NHS 100,000. They were the 100,000 nurses mainly, actually, porters and other staff who would not take
the state injectable and were told
You're going to be fired. Yeah. But they--
They held the line. This story will set me off any day of the week.
They held the line and they were called in for their HR meeting. And I cannot stand HR just so I cannot stand anyone. Biggest waste of time. Oh, for God's sake. It's always fat Brenda with the bad highlights who just wants to have a gossip while she's eating chocolate biscuits. I cannot be doing with HR.
But they had the HR meeting where they said, we're going to fire you. You're going to be out of the job, but you used to love your job.
and they held the line.
And they didn't cave. And as a result, the government had to do a U-turn and say, you don't have to have it. So I know it's there. I know the determination is there. And I know when the time comes, we'll segment again.
And some morons will go in the 15 minute cities and for a little bit longer, they'll pat the snake or they'll pat the alligator until the alligator comes and bites their ass off every time. But we will be someplace else.
and South Africans...
do it perfectly. They've shown us the way for so long because they're further down the dark path than we are. They're now...
3% whites.
They are hunted.
and they have this thing it's the Soudalander's
you would love, you would fit right in. And-- - 'Cause yeah, the obvious question everyone asks is why don't they just leave? - Why don't they leave, right? That's the first thing out of anyone's mouth, at which point-- - Just go. - You wanna do that to them. Like, I don't understand anything, do you? It's a bit like people telling you, "Why don't you get a lawyer?" - Yeah. Get the vaccine, so you can fly. - Yeah, yeah, it's just like, oh. And then you realize you mustn't
you mustn't give away all of your, I think you give away, we'll get to this too, but I think you give away so much of your energy sometimes to people who don't deserve it. I agree with you. I will come to that. But anyway.
So Sudlanders, they meet...
I think it's once a month.
and they're preparing. And they are preparing. They say, we will die in our boots for the love of our land. I mean, can you imagine being stood in front of a boor telling you that?
literally melts my clothes off any day of the week. And they're preparing so that they are going to
pulled back to defendable space, and they're going to live a free life in the Sudland.
That's the model. There's hope there. You need to be in there. Not in Sudlanda, but where we are. It's funny because that's what it always comes down to. It's interesting if you study history at any point in history when the tyranny came or the enemy came, it always comes down to a group of men in one place who say no.
- Yes. - That's it. We will die here if we must die. - In our hearts, for the love of our land. - It's always been the same since the dawn of human time. And that's what eventually might come down to in the UK. - It will. And also there's room in the men thing for one big ass, big bitch woman, just let you know. - We'll let you in. No problem. - So that's what it will come down to, pulling back, and I already see it. So there's loads of people up and down the UK who are already gathering, creating places they can live and be, water, food. I see it coming.
So when those hubs pull together, that will be our Sudlanda, where people will die in the boots for the love of the land. You know, it's going to be epic. I really want to be alive for it. So there's a huge contingent of the populace in the West who...
continue to believe in all these false systems because
like ostriches. They want to hide their head in the dirt. They want to pretend that the systems which are designed to protect them actually protect them.
Side note, I find that very interesting. I always ask people this question. I said,
If you had a football game,
and you were playing for 5,000 pounds for say.
and there was no referee, would people cheat?
And they say, well, yeah, probably. Oh, so you think they're not going to cheat for, you know, control over a nation or influencing the public or all these other insignificant things. You'll cheat for five thousand pounds. That's human nature. Right. In a football game. But they're not going to cheat for something that's actually important.
So of all the countries you visit in the world, which country do you think actually has its act together?
I kind of probably go back to where we started out in terms of you have to choose between law or criminal. You have to be afraid of something. Yeah. Yeah. And.
I think I'm sort of erring on the side these days of preferring the criminal gangs. Because they really at their heart are very clear about what they want, which is typically to get on with their either arms or drug running or whatever. And one of my favourite places in the world is Mexico and being in South America. Wow. So during lockdown when British people weren't allowed to,
It's illegal.
to go on holiday. There were posters on bus stops. It was illegal to leave the country and it was illegal to go to America
And all of those things, obviously someone telling us rules, is not really in our bag. But they're turned out to be this
little trick that people didn't realize that if you got to Mexico and stayed in Mexico for three weeks yes yes you could sort of
you could cleanse yourself of your Britishness. Suddenly you belong to nowhere. You became like an airport terminal man. You know that film? Yeah.
So that's precisely what I did.
So I went to Mexico
because Mexico City kills more journalists than any other city, so you wouldn't be going there just for fun. I went there
And then I came up into America
through the southern border.
and then did a tour of America where I wasn't supposed to be, having come through the southern border, just to really kind of flip the V sign up in Biden's face. But the point is,
In South America for much of it, the criminal gangs run
order
And I think they do it very, very well, actually. They have a firm grip on it. And if you don't interfere in their space, in the way that I'm not, you're left alone.
And I also believe the South American people have absolutely the right attitude because a lot come from poverty or they've grown up with nothing or they,
know a way of being where they weren't given everything, they have to work.
You think you're going to stand in Mexico and say, right, nobody's going to work. You're all going to sit at home in your gardens. Yeah. No one's getting any money.
Of course they're going to work. So no one's going to tell them
they're locked down because they wouldn't know what that meant. They can't not work. And then they go to church on Sunday. And on the weekend, if you're on a beach in Mexico, the family is always together.
They've got
I don't know how old grandma is, but she's being dragged down there. She's half dead. She's half in the coffin, half out, but she's still there. Yeah. And then you've got babies that were literally born
They literally fell out the mum as they got out the car to go to the beach. The whole family's there.
and it's
just I like these guys have got something going on. I know exactly what you're saying. I actually have a theory regards to this because I've been looking ever since my incarceration here. I've been looking at a map saying where can I live? Where shall I go? Where shall I go? Because
I do feel patriotic and I want to go home, but I feel homeless. I feel homeless because I feel homeless.
Because I say that again say I do feel patriotic and I want to go home.
Listen, so when you say patriotic, you say it with the most perfect T's.
So normally when you speak you your teeth really really get on my tits because you're like I could go into battle battle battle and I'm like oh oh
- God's sake, Andrew. - Luton, England.
Thank you. But when you say patriotic or patriotic, you have lovely T's. Oh, well, I'll remember that. I'll use the word more often. Please use T's. I'll do my very best. Thank you. Carry along. Where shall you go? Well, you look at the world and the world's not so big.
- It's not. - It's not as big as people think it is. There's not that many places to go.
And then...
I think I've come to the understanding that
freedom in and of itself.
outside of these communities which you build yourself, like you say. Freedom under a government
under all governments is an illusion. There's no such thing as freedom. Right. In every country in the world, there are going to be subjects and people you cannot speak against. You cannot speak against Putin and Russia and expect freedom. You cannot speak against Islam and Saudi Arabia and expect freedom. There's certain every single country. There is a list of things you cannot talk against.
The problem is,
in our countries or my country or your country, the countries that I want to live in,
We can't talk against satanic pedophiles and gays and they run it. So this is the most scary thing to me is that.
I think it was Voltaire who said, "Look at who you cannot criticize and you'll see who controls you."
though our nations have been hijacked by LGBT satanic pedophiles. And those are the people you cannot criticize. If I lived in
Russia or if I lived in Saudi Arabia, I'd feel free because I'd say everything on my mind because I'm not going to be thinking the things I'm not allowed to say because I don't want to say them. Whereas if you're a sensible person in the West, you wake up and look around you and you want to tell the truth. But you can't. You have to pretend that men can have babies and a man should be in a woman's bathroom. And you have to pretend all this insanity. Yes.
And that's what's really scary to me is that
I really think the people running the West are the most evil people on the planet. I totally agree. And I think not only is the world not that big a place, but in terms of kind of people, we have these real, you know, it's a military thing. These kind of core values, this sort of moral courage or humor and adversity or, you know, this strength and determination thing. There's just there's people we have that in, you know, really in common with South African.
and people that they they seem to be embracing freedom because
they would never allow it to be denied. Yes. It's not a possibility. I also think you definitely want to go to a country where you can bear arms. So, you know, I'm 2A all the way. So also all you find a place within a place.
which creates that space for you. I agree completely.
But yeah, I'm just wondering,
I guess the end goal is the predictable end goal for the West. I guess their goal is just to demasculinize men and try and turn as many people gay as possible.
And there's actually a few subjects I think we disagree on, so I want to talk to those. I want to see if you can check my thinking on some of these. Because I find them quite, I think it'd be quite interesting because Tommy is a friend of both of ours.
And when I reverted to Islam, Tommy was so upset. He was so angry. - He'd be so angry, but he'd also be really angry like if he actually stood up and tried to have a go at you about it, obviously 'cause he's quite little. And you're so big, so there'd be this like comedy moment with Tommy being really angry and you'd be like, no, no, no. - But you know what? I actually respect Tommy and I like Tommy. I love Tommy and I understand his message. He wants England to feel English. And even Richard Dawkins,
- Who?
I think is an old clown personally, who was constantly crying about how God is a bad thing and trying to remove God from society has now come out as culturally Christian. Oh, yeah. So now he's a cultural Christian. Well, he finally woke up and realized that there's no such thing as empty space and space is filled.
and if you try and remove Christianity and remove God from society, it'll be filled with something else. And it's either filled with secular insanity, which is the whole feminism LGBT garbage. Insanity.
Insanity. Thank you. Sorry. Hi. Getting told off. First time Top G's been told off. Well, that's my job, right? That's right. Insanity.
or it's filled with Islam.
in order to create that void, right, of nothing fit, no one belonging, that was deliberate, right? So it started off with, oh, you don't mean- So Dawkins is an agent of the Matrix?
When Dawkins was sitting there saying, we do not need God. I wouldn't credit him with that, to be honest. He's not even that important? No. Yeah, don't, you know, we don't need to overestimate people. Just a guy with things to say is what I would, it's not really worth the chit-chat. But, um...
you know, don't, don't, oh, you don't need to belong to a country. What's a country? What's a flag? You don't need a flag. Flags are racist. Don't have a flag. Yeah. You don't need to belong to a family unit. Oh, what's a family unit anyway? It's not a mum and dad. It can be mum and three dads. It can be this and that. It can be what a family can be whatever you want it to be.
Take away the things people belong to. Correct. And all of a sudden you just have nomads who are living in voids and are desperate for something. It's why these kids don't know even what they are. Because we stripped away everything that they may have belonged to or held on to. Well, it gave them identity. And if you remove all the parameters. Remove it all. Yeah, then there's no identity, which means you can inject the slave programming. There you go.
That's right. So empty minds, right? Empty minds. It was done deliberately. You could see this stuff being taken away. Oh, take those flags down. Oh, it doesn't matter if you haven't got a mom or a dad.
just strip away so these kids are like
I'm lost, what do I belong to? Oh, maybe my name's Barbara today. I mean for God's sake. I agree, but do you not think that the Islamification of Britain
is Christian's fault.
Would you blame the Christians because power vacuums are filled and this is the basic law of the universe? The lion destroys the antelope and
the strong conquer the weak. And if there's going to be weak convictions amongst the white Christians, if they're going to be too tolerant and too nice, don't you feel like eventually they're going to be conquered? Not only just by Islam, but they've also been conquered by secularism. You see all these gay priests and
insanity and all the garbage that's going down. Wouldn't you blame Christians 100% for that failure? - I would say that Christians probably didn't rock up and
defend their churches enough by actually attending them. I think attending churches would have been a good way of kind of keeping that. But I think I wouldn't blame Christians for being taken over because that would be like blaming my dog when it has ticks on it. And I wouldn't do that. But I would say we're clearly going to have
very different views on religion. I will preface this with I rather liked it
as with politics back in the day when I believed in such things, I rather liked it when these things were private. Yeah. So I rather liked it when people's how they voted. My father would never tell anyone how he voted. That's true. You're right. And it was sort of glorious. You're right.
And I rather liked it when people's religion was that way as well, because I'm not certain that it's my business. Actually, what you do or don't, I don't really just as well as sexuality for that matter. Agreed. And what that bothers as long as you're not a twat. Agreed. If you're a twat, I don't care if you're a gay, a straight twat, I'm just gonna tell you a twat. Yeah.
And then I also see like so in America, you know, when when the very well to do who are Biden voters were actually terrified that Black Lives Matter were going to come and smash their homes. They got these yard signs and they would hammer them into their yard. I vote for Biden. Yeah, this house believes Black Lives Matter. They didn't have this accent, but go with Black Lives Matter, LGBTQ, D, B, D, B, D. And they had it on a sign in their yard. Stroking the alligator.
I was, yeah, I was, yes, stroking is a good word. Exactly, but a yard sign.
So we go from my father, who doesn't even tell his family how he votes, to Americans who voted Biden but are now scared of the very thing they voted for. So put a yard sign up to try and say, we're your allies.
are you anyone's allies? So religion,
I think
by the time
UK woke up to the fact
that Islam will take the country. Yeah.
It was way too late. So 20 years ago, or maybe more, structurally,
Islam did it.
incredibly
smart strategic play.
which was change the structural scaffolding that lies beneath the country and make it ready to receive Islam. So make all power positions filled with Muslims, work your way up councillors to mayors.
bring the power in. Densely pack a Muslim population where there used to be big houses, four or five Muslim families in one place. Make sure you can always get the vote from the Muslims because they'll vote according to religion. Yes. And therefore you will get the powerful positions. Now we want to do strategic sort of landmarks. So I used to do...
I was Army Intelligence. But so you are always going to look for the places where you want to set your mark, whether regardless if there's a Muslim there or not. So if you look at the Outer Hebrides
"There's a mosque up there." - Wow. - "Was there a Muslim there?" "No, but there's a mosque." - Wow. - You know what I mean? So you set these places where you go, "Right, here we go."
So I would call it infiltration. You might call it something else.
And that's the point when eventually, like now, people are going,
Oh, hold on a minute.
well, this is a bit odd, isn't it? But this is 20 years in the play.
And I suppose...
My question to you would be,
And not that you're a representative of any religion. Not at all. And I know even because I mean, I'm a relatively new Muslim. I'm not even as versed as some others. I'm a baby. I'm just looking at it purely from a power dynamics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I, um,
Because I think there's Muslims have this and I'm slightly being flippant, but I think Muslims have a kind of competitive Muslimness where like the more you know things, you're more Muslim. No, no, no. I can't qualify. Yeah. Well, my assertion strongly is that like I know these many scriptures, so I'm more Muslim than you. And then you just sort of say the word haram a lot.
And I don't know what that's about. A lot is haram.
That's an easy word to use. - You've done most of the Haram though. - Yeah, it's an easy word to use. If you walk around England, it's easy to say Haram. - But most of your life has been made up with Haram.
Well, I think most people's lives are made up with Haram. Oh, so do I. We're all sinners. So do I. But I don't label other people Haram, though, do I? I just say, come on, do it. It'll be fun. You're right. But I actually do think, and this is a slight side note, I do think...
Putin actually says something which is quite intelligent. He said, "If you want to be gay in Russia, you can be gay in Russia, but we're always going to promote the family because it's the family." 100%. "But it's the family that's the future of the country."
And I think there's a difference in a different differentiation, although it might be hypocritical in some degree, for someone to do something which is a sin as opposed to sin being promoted by a culture or accepted by a culture or promoted by a government. Oh, but also I'm all about sin.
So, you know, I'm not I'm not like attacking your life choices like I got caught shagging in a field I'm quite proud of those pictures turned out. I look quite hot and I just finally use a good picture of you. Katie finally and finally It was my back. That's why yeah, and I look pretty hot So I'm grateful to that snapper even though it cost me a job and all sorts of other marriages and things so don't think I'm against sin and
I'm the biggest sinner of all. I'm just questioning how you're now choosing to be a Muslim when you and me are pretty good at sinning.
Like we're rock and roll. I think the world needs more God and I'm certainly-- I thought you were going to say sin.
I actually do believe, I think God's the only one who can save us now. Yes. I really do believe that. We find a point of agreement. And I'm not anti-Christian in any regard. My brother's Christian, most of my family's Christian, I was raised Christian, I'm in a Christian country. No one's suggesting. I'm super pro-God and when I say these things, what I'm actually trying to do is inspire the Christians to get a little bit mad. I see that. Oh, okay, he has a point. We've left a huge power vacuum. I'm going to church as I speak. That's it. Because if you tolerate everything, you believe in nothing. Yes.
And if you're going to if you're going to be a very apathetic Christian, then it doesn't count against a very strict religion where they're proud to show how religious they are.
We don't even have to talk about the individual religions. We just have to talk about the power structures of the world. And this is what happens. When you have religion that takes over, say, a police force, so you have West Yorkshire, West Midlands police force, where the imam decides who can go on patrol, or you have someone like me that points out the fact that the majority of the grooming gangs were Pakistani Muslim men, just as a fact point, not a religious point. I am then arrested by Police Scotland for hate crimes. This was back in the day.
for pointing that out. That's where this religion of
you know, being a Muslim strikes me as being deeply malevolent because it seems to protect those particular individuals who are not representative of the religion, but they all believe. So here's where we go down a really interesting conversation because...
The whole world is tribal.
- Totally. - It's kind of interesting.
as a mixed race, half black, half white.
previous Christian Muslim revert living in Romania. So I'm a mess. So they've attacked me with every single buzzword misogynist and think but they can't really get racist on me. They've tried it but it won't stick. So I can make observations and the point is that most of the world and most cultures and most colors and most countries are brutally tribal. The only people who are not allowed to be are white people. You're not allowed to be tribal. As soon as you want to be tribal in any way you're attacked for and demonized. And it goes even lower than that
Irish nationalist you can be a Welsh nationalist
Can I be an English nationalist? No, I cannot. That's right. So you're talking about basically tribalism. What you're saying is that Muslims will stick together or they'll make
choices and decisions which are the benefit of their tribe. Yes, that's the same with everybody.
everywhere except white people. White people won't do it or aren't allowed to do it. Yeah. And actually, I think we're at a point now where it's not just about not allowed. I think the average white person would be afraid to do that now. I think they've got the psyops so deep in.
that
the white there will never be a white christian police force that makes white christian police decisions in a christian country which is the true shame and this is the point i'm making about the power dynamics this has nothing to do with the scriptures nothing to do with what's true and what's false nothing to do with the gods i'm just saying that if is if islam will go that far and christians refuse to go that far well then it's just a ticking time bomb until you're conquered this is the reality of the world it's unfortunate
Even as a Muslim, that makes part of me very sad because I think that England is a Christian country. It feels
It's England. But if you have one guy who's prepared to go to this length,
It's like a gang war. If one guy will shoot up your house and all you'll do is call them mean words, you're going to lose the fight. But I don't know if that's is that an admirable thing? Is that a religion you want to be part of? So if it's to go to your point, let's go to the nth degree. So say I am someone like you just mentioned. I didn't that blew himself up or stabbed some people or did whatever he did. Do you want to belong to a religion that will protect that person? Do you want to belong to a religion religion that will?
house Pakistani Muslim men who want to bang our white girls and do scriptures that I've attended in the mosque where they show the lollipop and if it's not covered with the wrapper it's open to the world and therefore flies can land on it. Why would you want to join that. So this is. Yeah. And here's here's my point about it.
Firstly, if I had the choice of my son coming home, because I really believe we're going to enter a point, especially in the Western world, where it's either Islam or it's insane secularism. I totally agree. It's one of the two.
So if my son could either come home and say I'm a Muslim or come home and say I'm a girl,
I would choose from being a Muslim. And I think that that's going to be the only two power structures left. Yeah, but that was a weird argument you went with. You just went like, if I could choose for my son to come home and say, I'm your son, or to come home and say, I'm a beluga whale, I'm going to choose son. You've just gone a bit mad, though. No, no, but this is where it's going to end up. You're going to end up with people who believe in God, and that's going to be Islam, and you're going to end up with people who believe in the insanity of the matrix, and they're all going to lose their minds. That's the first thing. Well, they're not necessarily going to come home being Brenda, is they? You'd be surprised, because it's a sliding scale with these things. You'd be surprised, because what happens is,
We all gradually accept things. This is what happens. Right now, we think transgenderism is a joke. Our grandchildren won't. They'll think it's a very normal part of society. I'm not arguing against that. And the only thing that can resist against that is God.
So that's the first argument for it. The second argument for it is... Can I just say that first argument was massively flawed because you presented it as he's going to come home and he's either going to be a Muslim or he's going to say he's a girl. That isn't actually the truth of the matter. The truth is he might come home and say I want to be a Muslim or he might come home and say I don't want to believe in any religion whatsoever. That's actually more likely to be the outcome. It was an extremist argument for... It was and don't try that shit with me. Well I'm trying to make a point. So when you're trying to make a point you go to extremes. Don't use retard points with someone who's smart. Sorry KT.
The next thing... Good tea. I'm getting there. That was so good. The next... The next... Would you just take up scaffolding now? I'm really going to be into you in a big way. The next thing I will say is
I think a lot of the Muslim arguments are
conflated when you look at third worlders as opposed to the religion themselves. I agree with you. I think you can certainly get
Christian countries in Africa and import large amounts of their populace and you will have rape.
You will have stabbings, you will have murder. I totally agree with you.
Some of the best countries on the planet today are the first world Islamic nations, the safest places you can possibly be with zero percent taxes. And you can invest your money safely and you can live a very peaceful life and your children will not be taught anything weird. If you lived in Qatar or Bahrain or Kuwait or Dubai or Saudi. Where do you live?
I currently live in Romania. Why do you live in Romania? Because Romania is a Christian land, I noticed. It is. It is. Why is that then? Well, I moved here a long time ago. No, Andrew, why don't you live in an Arab land? Well, let's see what happens once I'm free. You won't live there. You're going to come to Britain and...
Probably hang around with me. Save the population, perhaps. But my point being... No, my point is, why don't you live in a Muslim land?
I would be very happy to live in Dubai.
So why don't you?
Because I can't.
Oh yeah, no, I know you have a restraining thing here, and that's pathetic, and we know about that, but
You would choose Romania anyway as we discussed at the top of this conversation because you like the feel here, you like the freedom here, you like the masculinity here, which I feel. But you wouldn't choose to live in a Muslim land. Well, it's actually interesting because also -- You say it's interesting when you're thinking of how you're going to respond and you don't directly respond to my question. Why don't you live in a Muslim land? I'll directly respond. I'd like that.
me as a man.
I find Eastern Europe appealing for the reasons you have said.
However, if I were to raise my family, or one of my families, or if I were to have to, in a worst case scenario, leave my family unattended, lest I were to put my children and my wife in a house, I would choose a first world Islamic nation all day long. They're not going to learn anything stupid in school. They're going to be physically safe.
They can be provided for with staff and help, and they're gonna be very well looked after, and I know they're completely fine. I would never leave my child and my wife alone in London.
ever i'd be by their side permanently because it's a failed country and even here in eastern europe although i think it's safe it's very much a man's world and a woman by herself may struggle to navigate it i believe i could buy a mansion in dubai and put a wife and three children in dubai and i could go away for six months and come back and they'd be perfectly fine i truly believe that so where i would be as a vagabond as a warrior who travels the world doing whatever he wants to do who's unafraid is different than where i would set up and build and raise a family and i think across the next hundred years islamic countries are the best place you can possibly raise a family
have enough money.
If you can afford it, not everybody can. But I truly believe that. And I think a lot of these arguments against Muslims in
in the UK are conflation with third world versus first world. I totally think that. Herods in London is all built on the first world. Muslims all of it. If they left the country would really fall. I think the first world versus third world argument I think is very very pertinent and very clear. I also think it's very important to point out that the Catholic Church did a marvelous job of hiding the fact that
it was basically the beating heart of paedophilia for the longest time and remains so. So, you know, before we need one of your listeners or viewers to point that out, I will willingly point that out. And frankly, I could stab any one of them in the heart tomorrow without a single tear being shed because they all disgust me in every single way. But I will also say in London...
I mean, I'm a bit, you know,
I've been in many dodgy places and I'm fine in London because I don't go about as kind of ponce about. I just scurry like a rat. But London is now a majority Muslim city. And I would argue it has not been improved by that status.
I would argue that it's
third worlders that have ruined London primarily.
I think they could be Christian third worlders. They could be Buddhist third worlders. They could be Hindu third worlders. And I think that's that they're typically not. They're typically Muslim third worlders. And I guess this is where we come to a point where.
my evisceration from the face of the planet happened
at precisely the moment
that I was working for Daily Mail, I was da da da, known everywhere.
and Donald Trump was president and tweeting me
tweeted me again
and I was pointing out the... I was stood on the shoreline of southern Italy, watching the migrant boats, the ferries that were run by Save the Children come over
from Africa.
And that was the moment.
that the system, the matrix as you would call it, came
To crush you. To utterly...
utterly
utterly removed me from the face of the planet.
And so in a way we get to this point about the importing of the third world. It was precisely me stood
showing...
'cause that's a capital crime.
You can't you can't tell. That's the number one crime. You can't point out what they're doing. And you said about the Africans on the boat. I'd argue a lot of them were Christians. And the problem is that they were. Yeah. And this is the problem we have, because when you have a legal system which is
fair, I guess to a degree, or the illusion of fairness, or at least it's based on time and a lawyer and a court case, that can't keep up with savagery. You can't take the legal system of the UK and put it on a random third world country and expect there to be
peace and prosperity. All the legal systems of the world, all the systems of every country has to be based on the population within it. You can't have
the Swedish
system
for benefits and welfare and then put it on Afghanistan. You wouldn't, nobody would go to work, nothing would work. - Nothing would get done. - So when we, as we replace our population and we don't change our legal systems and our legal structures then everything's gonna collapse. None of it makes sense anymore.
And pointing that out directly by standing there at the Save the Children boat as it was going and doing its ferrying of the migrants at the behest of the matrix that controls the place. So I wrote that up as a column. And these are these are the most read columns at the time.
and Daily Mail is the most read newspaper, I'm saying this so that people see the size of it, is that column was going to go. And on that day, my editor, who's basically God in the media sense, like he's, you know, no one messes with editors.
he then that day
had all of
all of the strands
come at him all at once to the point that he messaged me saying, what the hell is happening? Yeah. So the chief rabbi,
was at my editor's door
well, an sort of envoy of his
heads of churches
Heads of political groups,
heads of
religious organization.
And that was the day that I
it was decided that I would lose everything. That then played out over the next six months. So I lost jobs, house, home.
They came from my children.
My children now don't have my name, I think.
we have similar things there. A couple of jihadis came to chop my head off.
And there was a play, The Assassination of Katie Hopkins, funded by the government.
But
- But just, sorry to interrupt you,
To point out again to the people at home, that's for highlighting the replacement of the native populace of your country. Yeah, just for telling a story. For telling the truth about the population being replaced. Not even an opinion, just reporting, watching it happen.
- Yeah. - So this goes back to the point I wanted to make. Don't you think they're doing all of this on purpose because they want the chaos? Because only through the chaos can they come along and say,
we will offer you safety in exchange for your
freedom, give us all of your freedom, absolutely all of it, and we will, in exchange, offer you safety. Are they doing this on purpose? Is that a pessimist in me? Because they know what they're doing. This must be, this is done very purposefully. They understand that when you get large groups of military-aged males,
and you put them into a city where they have no access to sex and no access to money, that they're going to commit crime. Yeah. That's what men do. We stand around on street corners and if there's no girls and no money, we're going to go and try and get one. Yeah. And then that's where crime comes from.
They know all of this is happening.
And my estimation, the reason I've come to the conclusion I have, is that they've sat down and decided, well, this will give us the chaos we need to finally strip everybody of their freedom. Absolutely. And then...
To go deeper down the rabbit hole, this is where we come to the Islam thing, because if you look at the most post-apocalyptic countries on the planet today, a lot of them are Islamic.
if you want to talk about a post apocalyptic
Christian nation, or if you look at what happened in Hurricane Katrina, or if you look what happens in Christian countries when bad things happen, it basically becomes a free for all pretty quickly.
whereas Islam seems to hold society together to some degree in the worst and most heinous scenarios.
So then you look and think, well, maybe Islam is the last solution to all this chaos. Maybe that's what we need when all the things start to explode and blow up. Maybe only Islam has enough power and enough force to keep the world together. But what else is going to unify us? Transgender rights?
Absolutely not. But the idea that in the most apocalyptic situation, Islam might be hope. If that's the bar for going towards Islam, I don't really, that's not a bar I want to go down. Also, I notice, you know, it is typical, isn't it, that Muslims do typically come to Christian lands. So in my experience in England, you know, I always I would love to ask a Muslim who's been around for longer than you have in competitive Muslimness.
Christian lands. I don't see Muslims going to Muslim lands. And in the example of Israel and Hamas and all the rest of it in Gaza, where I've spent a lot of time, you know, I don't see the Arab nations assisting those people terribly. And it's just it's a curious thing. But to go back to what my annihilation and the reason I wanted to come today is
to tell you I have seen it in action.
I saw...
elements of the matrix, not the real deal, because they exist and they'll never show themselves because that's how the powerful work. But those who operate for them,
one by one came
on that day.
to my editor for me to be removed and it is absolutely what is happening to you
I absolutely
believe that the idea is that you will be eradicated
and with weaker people
The idea is that they push you until you swing.
from a tree and I know you are
you know, all brave and strong and training and tough. But I also know there's days
where it's really a lot
and personally speaking, there's days where
I have considered
walking out my door,
and
ending it
not in a dramatic way, not in an irrational way, not, oh, I'm going to tell people I'm committing suicide, very quietly and politely.
in order to take the danger away from my children.
I believe the only way I could protect my three children
was to make myself
disappear.
And because I didn't
do the jump
Instead, I went to America and lived more or less five years on the road in America and completely left my family.
to give them a chance
of not being got.
and that I took the target away.
And I think
That is precisely what
they hope for you is that you would swing and I know you won't swing.
Give me a hug, Katie. I guess I'm cute.
I...
I agree with you and I have to commend you for
doing the right thing, which is to continue to resist. And I know exactly what you mean about how it feels sometimes because
I don't think many people at home understand how
prevalent and how endless the assaults are. I mean, in my case, it's been nearly two years and a month where there's a story every single day about me being a bad person.
You lose access to all your finance. You lose access to everything. They want to bankrupt you. They want to take everything away from you. And then they constantly attack you. And then you're right. It's the people you care about.
And it is a certainly very difficult thing. And these are the good people, right? These are the nice people, the people who want to go through the world and pretend that they are the virtuous ones are the ones who are trying to convince us to end our lives for having an opinion, especially your opinion or your observation, which was just saying, look,
They're trying to there's people turning up here without passports.
Surely that's not allowed.
and they're going to come at you. And that's what's, I guess, one of the most heinous things about the world is that the people who
show themselves to be the good ones.
are truly the evil ones because they've sold their souls long ago and it's people like you and i who they say are bad because we stand up for something and believe in something
And
we're actually the ones who are going to be on the right side of history in the end. It may take a while for them to rewrite the books, but I think in the end, we're going to be on the right side of history.
I've been a fan of yours for a very long time because I've loved how you always just call out
the truth. But somebody has to do it, right? Somebody has to point it out. And you also made a very pertinent point earlier, which I really liked about
the relay.
Perhaps it's not about winning the race, it's about doing our part,
and trying to pass on the baton to somebody else to continue to do their part. - 100%. - And they would be a lot further ahead with their agenda if it wasn't for people like you and I. - And the people...
you know, this is where the hope is real. You know, we talk about this is the reality. The war is over and we are the takeovers there and the apocalyptic. But the reality is
There's many, many of us. So, so, you know, you're probably the best known, maybe. It doesn't matter anyway. It doesn't matter. Views, clicks, none of it. None of that matters.
What matters is
there's a really great sway the people across America, across these countries who stand in truth. It does usually relate to some kind of belief in God, but knowing that you stand with truth, knowing you will never lie down, and knowing they can slay you and that's okay,
That is a
tremendously powerful thing to tap into every day. And you have it.
and I feel it in you and I
I want you
to know that I have felt some of
the acute pain.
but it is to carry it.
and to be called ugly and a monster and melted wheelie bin face and and horse face and but also much bigger things. I will take your children, put them in a car, set it on fire, watch them burn. There's the hard stuff.
But know that if you sit in your truth as you do, and you have this brother and he was given to you for a reason, I know that.
you are unstoppable.
And I know people say, don't take any notice of those people. It's an impossible thing to take no notice. But I can tell you for certain,
that people who are with you are the strongest, and you belong to a side that is a remarkable
to beyond and know that whatever they do to you,
We will be applauding you on. We will be putting our energy out there. Thank you. You're going to make me move back to England. It might actually work. I'm doing great here. It might actually work. I might come back. No, I just need to get you trained as a scaffolder. It might work. Do you think the British political system would even allow someone like a Trump-esque figure? Do you think the system is even open enough to somebody coming in charge and fixing everything? Not right now.
But when the good people of my country turn out, destroy their ballots and say, we're not gaming your system anymore. We're going to have a new way. And in this community that we build, these will be our leaders.
These will be our strongmen.
who will help us.
something like that, that's coming, that's coming.
I have one more thing I want to ask you about because I'm curious.
Is it my earrings? Not yet.
What do you think of feminism as a whole?
Oh.
But you're a strong, independent woman with opinions. Alpha, yeah. What do you think of feminism as a whole? Because I'm very interested in your opinion on this. Yeah, so I would argue that I am the true definition of a feminist, right? Because I am a believer that you should be
recruited on merit, rewarded on
paid on results. I believe the bar is always the bar and you either meet it or you fall below it. So in an academy setting or a military setting, this is how high the wall is that you have to get over with your...
the log that you've been asked to carry around. And if you fail, you fail the academy and you go home. And that is the bar we should all live by. And that's what feminism means. I have a husband who I...
love deeply and I will always be committed to just him
I was married before, I have sinned plenty, and I've done many other people's husbands as well. So let's not make me out to be some sort of ideal.
Muslim wife. But I... Wives, plural. Wives, correct. Oh, for God's sake. Correct. We'll do that privately, probably, whatever. That's just ridiculous. I would argue you've chosen a religion that fits what's happened now with the women you've got. But we'll come back to that. But I think that feminism, for me, is about being the supportive person.
wife,
and the supportive mother like I would take myself off for five years
and leave all of my
most
special things
in order to
preserve them.
And none of them have my name.
all of them are set up, but I own not a house, not a bank account, not nothing. And
And that's fine by me. And I even into their pockets. So, you know, I tell them, I'll always be in your pocket. And I used to, I used to,
repeat this and repeat this when they were little and I was in more more trouble. I thought the end would come sooner and I would say
your mum will always be in your pocket if you're in trouble you always speak to your mum and i would say i'll always be right here
so that were I to not be
around anymore. They would always think, oh mum says she'll be in my pockets.
Yes.
So that to me is what strong feminism is, is to be pushed to the brink of having to abandon your own young
in order to preserve them.
Yeah. And I am deeply
Um,
I find most women
to be utterly disappointing.
I find most women to be utterly pathetic.
I find many women to be
And it was done deliberately to them. And I am sorry for it.
I find women to be weak. I find women who want special treatment. I have no time for them. I have no time for women's things or problems. Or if I try to employ women and I struggle because they want to tell me about their issue, I don't care.
you know i was epileptic for a long time i used to have
massive seizures, massive dislocations.
And I never told anyone.
because it was my weakness.
to hide so I could present strong.
So I'm not a fan of weakness, and I think that's what feminism has now become to be interpreted by. And all of this stuff is a competitive weakness. I'm this, or I'm weak, I'm special. I'm this, or I'm now more weak. A quest for individuality. A quest for being special, but not through achievement or strength or how high, but for how low. And that is feminism. And also, most feminists are fucking ugly. So like Feminism 2.0, where you look and go, oh my God, is that thing really a woman?
the day after Trump was inaugurated, great day in America. And they were out doing their pussy marches. Do you remember with their stupid frigging hats on? Unfortunately, yes. They had the signs.
You know, my vagina is made of steel.
Well, and this is the thing because they... Ugly women. It's very interesting. They've hijacked basically every agenda on the planet, but they've hijacked feminism because feminism should be about making women the best women possible, right? It shouldn't be trying to turn them into men.
You shouldn't be trying to make them compete in male spaces. And men shouldn't try and compete in female spaces. I think there's nothing wrong with us having different roles. And you said something which was really
Interesting. You said about supportive. I think a woman who supports her man is the true power. That's his power. His power comes from her. But, you know, let him go to fight and you make him the sandwiches and then together you win the fight. But this is this is the battle in and of itself. But I think a woman who I think feminism should be teaching women to lean into their femininity. And instead, it's trying to teach them they need to compete and outcompete men, especially in a bunch of masculine spaces where they simply can't. So then they, like you said, lower the bar and there's no need for it.
and
in all my podcasts and all my discussions we have, I have across the planet, I think feminism is one of the largest psyops they use to try and. Oh, it's shocking. To try and control the society because what I'm what I think they're doing and.
We touched on it earlier when we talked about people removing their parameters and removing their understanding of themselves and removing their family and removing everything that they have to latch on to to have a sense of identity so you can install the slave programming. If you start convincing women they need to outcompete men in every single metric all the time and they don't get to feel like a woman ever.
They get resentful and they get bitter, and they're open to the slave programming, and women are more emotional than men, and you can come along with an emotional argument like,
Grandma will die for grandma. Yeah, or look at the kids. The kids need to come let the boats in. And then before you know it, it's over for the entire country. 100%. And I think women have been sold that. They gobbled it up. And also then they're like, oh, well, now I'm a feminist. And I don't have to please men. So I'll just eat all the donuts that there are and wear elasticated waistbands. And suddenly there are these huge chumbawombas like, I'm so pleased that I'm such a fatty.
now that have made the journey from
believing me to be a monster to realizing I'm just just quite annoying but also somewhat likeable is I've always
try to demonstrate
I try not to just speak it, try to demonstrate it. So I will never employ a fat person. I disagree with fat people. I think you should have self-respect for your body.
And so I put on
Four and a half stones, I put on
52 pounds
in three months to prove that fat people
don't need to be fat and I lost it in three months. So I will do, I'll be that annoying to prove my point.
I'm just thinking through when you're saying that I have 110 members of staff. I'm trying to think who's fat like no because you're lazy. Just find a stairwell and you work that out pretty well. Yeah, you're lazy and you lack discipline. So why would I hire you? Exactly. And that isn't
See, I think you and I could understand, this is quite nice, because it's having someone who, there's a speed of transmission where we could understand that that actually isn't personal. Yeah. That's actually a pragmatic business.
It's not personal. Completely. But of course, if you're an emotional chumbawamba, you're like, fat hatred. I've been reported to the police for fat hatred before.
This is the thing about me coming back to England. I probably get reported ten times a day for the things I say. Yes, but that will busy them up so they won't be able to get me. We actually called the Scottish police a couple of days ago.
from here from Romania they weren't that interested but I refused to use... You tried to report a hate crime? Yeah I refused to use Tristan's pronouns so he called them saying I won't call him they them and he's in Bucharest and he asked them to come but he didn't do anything about it. So funny they're a bit busy Police Scotland because
of Hamza Youssef doing his whole, "There's too many white people!" And so when the hate crime laws came in, everybody mass reported Hamza. But I was once in Australia, this was during the time of the evisceration
and I tweeted something about Scottish people. Now there's a name we have for Scottish people which I think is sweaty
I don't know it Jocks or socks Jocks or socks
I'm not sure. Okay, so it's a trick because there's a real one and a naughty one. Okay. So let's just say sweaty.
Socks is the good one, it's fine. So I said something on Twitter about, "Oh, typical sweaties."
sending that there was a nurse with ebola sending their ebola bombs to england
"but I got the wrong one.
And instead of saying sweaty whatever, I said sweaty jocks. And that's a hate crime. Of course it is. So Police Scotland were on the phone in Australia going to repatriate me to the UK.
for the hate crime
of calling sweaty jocks sweaty socks
I thought we were, and it's madness.
But when they come for you,
as you know.
Well, I know very well. I mean the... Surround sound coming for you at the moment. Well, yeah. I mean just just to quickly touch on my
legal case. I've talked about it enough. I'm kind of bored of it now. It's kind of interesting because people message me. They haven't spoke to me in a while. Like what's going on, bro? I'm like,
I'm bored. I'm so bored. I don't know. This is that she took. So this kind of goes to my point, you know, earlier I was like, oh, I wanted to tell you this.
That's my other slight thing.
is I wanted to, I am not your mum, obviously,
But I think there's some people
you give energy to.
that I don't think deserve it.
Okay.
And I feel like
I'm going to lose my voice and I sound like I'm going to cry.
You can cry with me Kate. I'm saying my tease now. You told me off on camera. Everything's fine. You know we're friends. We're friends. We've been through a lot. We've been through it. Well we really have been through it. That's true. We're still going. And we're still going. And after this we're going to go through it some more. Do you get satisfaction from the fact that you know they must just hate you? Oh yeah.
- Do you wake up? - I wake up like that. Come on then! I wake up and I really just think,
they've tried everything. - Oh yeah. - And I just won't shut up. - Oh yeah. - They must hate me. - And I can walk into some places where, you know, BBC, whatever, and I know they all hate me, and then they're gonna get the walk, which is, "Fuck you off, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you off." - Yeah. - But I feel like you sometimes give your energy to people who don't deserve it. And if I could just give a brief
when
my first husband ran away from me at some speed. Like you could literally see the sand flicking up behind him. He literally was like, Jesus Christ, run, run. I mean, that's actually a true story.
But people would come up to me after when they...
And they'd go, "Oh, Kate.
How are you doing?
And I wised up really quite fast. They don't care.
What they want me to do was go, I've got two babies and he left with the secretary. He did. She's got great tits. She did.
I would never do that. I would. That's terrible. I would categorically say tits mean nothing to me.
So that's what they wanted me to do. They wanted me to fill them up.
With all my sorrow. So then they could take it to the marketplace of gossip. Yeah. Where the HR fatties live. Yeah. And they could trade it. 100%.
I sometimes see that even as a very outside observer and I think,
I feel like I want to go
Nope.
Don't.
So sometimes I feel like when people go, "Oh, what's going on?"
I don't know how they address you. That was my impression. What's going on brother? Bro? What do they say? Do they say bro? Do they get their willies out and go? I hope not. I've never noticed but I hope not.
Do you ever feel like the harder they try, the more it just doesn't work? Yes, which is why I love that you said that you, I was like, I was like, go on! When you were like, yeah, me and my brother aren't gonna run. I was like, that's the play. Your chess strategy on that was
We're now at the stage where they have two choices. They either let us go and immortalize us or they put us in jail and immortalize us.
And you know, I'm not scared of a holiday. Bring you bring you to the UK. Bidays as far as I'm concerned, it's going to be glorious. So I have every faith in you. Yeah, I think we'll be OK. And I also believe that it takes
two sides of the coin to make it interesting. Like I love the fact that 99% of people love me.
because I've yet to have a negative interaction in person, ever, I've never had it yet.
But...
without the 1% of idiots, there's no, you need the arguments. You need the juxtaposition. You need it for fuel. If everybody agreed, then there's no fun. So I think haters are probably the
best employees you can never pay. I mean, they do a pretty good job keeping your name out there. And
MSM I don't think there's no amount of money I could have paid to get the exposure I've had. No, you've done very very well. I've done billions of dollars of exposure globally. Advertising companies would be
- Envious of your achievements. - It's remarkable. It's remarkable. When I was in Dubai last, I had kids from Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia, running up to me and they're like, "Oh, you're all over the news."
Like it's from from Mongolia to Australia to Croatia, you name us country. I'm on the news. It's it's truly incredible. So.
as long as I use that platform for good, which I believe I am.
then I think in the end it's all going to work out okay. In the end it comes good because in the end you can have confidence in who you are, what you did and didn't do. And you know that many people in tricky situations will do most things for money. And that's what you're up against. But you're also up against money.
much bigger forces that want to silence you and or eradicate you from the planet. And every day, and I say this to people and people who aren't in our position, but people who are struggling,
is every day
you breathe
is a day you win. Every day you stay alive is a day you win. Absolutely. And that's the best advice you, me, probably can give is every day it means you're in the game. And I guess the final, the way to wrap it up, I think you said something earlier which was really,
It made me think. And we talk about who's in charge of the world all the time, and these globalists, and all their insanity, and what they're trying to do, and the matrix, et cetera. But truthfully, who's in charge of the world are the populations, and what they'll accept. Exactly.
We still have the power by numbers.
And
It took a while, but eventually during COVID years in, eventually the people of England and London, I remember being in London, stuck in traffic for four hours sitting there.
And I thought, what's going on? I finally found out it was a COVID protest. I was very happy to be stuck in traffic. I was like, oh, great. I was like, perfect. This is the best reason. I have no problem being stuck in traffic for this because this insanity has gone on long enough.
And the people at home need to understand there's massive strength in numbers.
and that
Cowardice is the true pandemic.
And me, even as a person, I heavily create cowardice. I don't have cowardice around me. I don't like it around me. I think it's sticky.
when all of the garbage starts going on or the Matrix attempts to attack me, between me, my brother, and the people we live with, and my friends, to us, it's truly the greatest joke on the planet. Like, the BBC can do its very best on its top tier hit piece.
And nothing will make us laugh harder because nobody around us
operates from a realm of fear and it makes us more powerful and I think as long as the populations of the West are
start to understand that.
and they start to create their realities and make sure there's enough of them, like you're saying, they're creating these communities, etc. Enough of them standing up saying, "No, we don't care. We're not going to bend. We're not going to move like the South Africans."
Perhaps maybe there is hope. Perhaps I'm going to move back to Luton. I'm going to come back and we're going to fix everything. Perhaps. We'll see. Yeah. No, there's there's definitely hope. Ours is the side to be on. Every day you prevail is the day that we win because we need everybody. So we need people not to go anywhere. And I think ultimately the real freedom, you say, is the population.
the more that you strengthen, the more you train, the more you can endure, you know, gobble up pain like you love it, you know, say thank you for that pain, I'm really enjoying this, eat pain up for breakfast, then the more we win. And I know
that we win in the end.
And I know also that I'm going to get you to come back to England.
Thank you very much, Katie. Thank you. Thank you.