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Hey, what's going on guys?
What's going on?
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How are you?
- Here. You almost good? Where's the girls at, bro? I thought you were living this fucking life. Every time I see you in the video, you're on a bus full of chicks, you have all these parties going on. I finally turn up to say hello.
There's not a single girl here. Where's the chicks at? Well, we're getting down to business. I got my girl of the day right over there. Girl of the day. Where'd you learn these misogynistic terms? That's not misogynistic. She might be the girl of the week if she behaves, huh? Yeah. Well, next time you have a house full of women, let me know.
Well, I mean... I need more children.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I want to start having a family, you know? I actually hope you're serious.
- I am dead serious. - I think you should have kids as soon as possible. The number one thing I regret in my life is I didn't have my first kid 'til I was,
30, around 30.
because I had no money.
But you have money.
and you're gonna use it enjoying your life and spending it on a bunch of garbage, but you're never gonna enjoy it. You're gonna enjoy your life a whole bunch more if you just focus on having children. Ask anyone. I do not spend my money on bullshit. I don't... It's because you're white.
Yeah, exactly. I don't have any cars. I got rid of all my cars.
I, you know, don't buy stupid shit. You know, everything is an investment, right? We're going club,
You know, we're
payroll, everything. - Yeah, that's good. - You know? - That's good. And that's why you need to have as many, mini-clabs as possible. - Mm-hmm. - Because children are a fantastic return on investment. People will think that kids,
are expensive
But that's the PSYOP.
that modern women, because modern women are completely out of control and they all want Louis Vuitton handbags and Gucci prams and strollers and all this ridiculousness. Kids are cheap.
It's the women that are expensive. You can keep the women in line. Kids are the most fantastic return on investment. I'll tell you from a man
between my brother and I, we have double digit children.
Kids are something you invest in.
until about the age of eight or nine. And they only cost a couple, 20 bucks a week of food to the age of eight or nine. And then by the time they're that old, as long as you've been a good parent and you haven't raised little brats,
They can do more work than you'd be
You'd be surprised how much cleaning they can do, getting you things, keeping the house in order, taking care of stuff. In the third world, eight and nine year olds are collecting water from 20 miles away. In our Western society, all these kids are just spoiled brats on iPads doing nothing. My eight and nine year olds are cleaning my house.
tidying my garden they're doing non-stop work and the amount of work they do
largely outperforms the amount of money they cost. And then when they become teenagers, they can do even more. And when they're young adults, they can take over your business for you. So you've got six years of investing into a person
for the rest of their entire life. They owe you.
My dad made me get my first job when I was 11 years old. Exactly!
- Exactly, so everyone's sitting out here going, "Kids are expensive." I'm like, "Well, firstly, they're cheap, "and secondly, they only cost you money for five or six years. "After that, they pay you. "My kids pay me."
I'm gonna have 20 sons working for me, I'm gonna be richer than ever. What I told my, what I told that girl over there is like, you know, I'll even spend half a million, I'll give a girl half a million dollars,
That's all you're getting, raise a kid til 18. That's a lot of money, but it's fair. - It's very fair. You just have to trust her to not spend it all in a week.
Then start crying for more. We know what women are like. Well we need to put it on a payment plan. I wouldn't want to do that all up front. That money would be gone. Now kids are the best thing about life and you know,
You're a little bit lighter
Then when Red Pill was big on the internet, you've just come along and proved it all true, which is fantastic. I always say the best thing about you being on the internet is completely denouncing all these wife guy, Christian, super simp losers who say how important it is you give a girl flowers and take her to the fucking rodeo and hold her hand.
'cause they're all, they hated me, all these Christian wife guys. They really hated me and they're completely wrong. And you prove why they're wrong, which is why your brand's so important. But there was a while when there was a conversation about red pill and the truth between men and women and all these things.
well I want to talk no one talks about anymore but the truth is this you want to talk about men and women the actual truth is this
If a woman is not giving up her body, giving up her womb to birth you an heir,
to extend your genetic legacy. If she's refusing to give you children or does not want your children, then she's in charge and she's winning. You're giving her money, you're taking care of her, you're giving her fun, you're giving her provision, you're the one who puts all the work in the bedroom, you're the one fucking pumping her. You're the one doing everything, you're burning calories. If she ain't going to give you a kid, then what's it all for? I think a husband and wife is a wonderful thing if it's in the right context.
if the power dynamics are correct, you know, if there's true physical attraction there. That's why looks are so important and like dating your looks
match is such an important thing.
because you know these guys have all this money and that they're able to get these hot girls that way
There's no physical attraction there. That's the problem. That's true. But a real relationship that's monogamous, true love exists,
It's a wonderful thing, but just extremely rare in this climate. Yeah. I think that obviously love is a very important thing, and I think that love is beautiful. But a lot of these wife guys are not with their wife or simping to their wife out of love. They're simping to their wife out of lack of access to other females. Necessity, right. Necessity. And there's a big confusion between lack of options and loyalty. If I say to you, you can only eat pineapples, are you loyal to pineapples? No, you just have no other choice. So all these dudes who sit there, they insult you, they insult me, they insult everyone going,
are terrible
- You can't get girls to talk to you. Your opinion is completely invalid. It doesn't matter what you say. If you're actually in a position where women are chasing you, then you have the ability, you have the chance to show loyalty, then you can be loyal if you so choose. But if you have no options, you can't be loyal. - I wanna be loyal. I wanna only have one girl, to be honest with you. - Why?
Because it's just like, it's so much time investment to have these bitches coming around. You know, even the video that you posted on Twitter the other day.
how there's all these fucking horrors.
in your house and then you go upstairs to work. 100%. It's like, I want to work in my living room. No, I get it. I get it. So it's just such a fucking brutal time investment. It's a brutal time investment. It's a brutal money investment. It's weird how. So what's the point of it? I completely agree. It's weird. Like the circle of life, men go through all this energy. They spend all this energy to get rich and important and famous. And they look smacks and they train and they get all these things just to get women around them. And then when you have enough women around you, you say, this is a complete waste of time. Right? No, exactly. But I'm making children. So
one woman because I need to get the job. I need to hurry it up. I want 30 kids. I can't do it from one chick. I need one year before I start having kids. Good. And 21. That's that's bro. That's that's amazing. That's excellent.
But if you want, if you're silly like me and you're greedy and you want a bunch of them, then you need more women. That's the only reason I talk to women now for children. I don't talk to them for any other reason. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to be super selective, though, with certain traits. Like, they need to have wide...
uh you know collarbones and they need to be tall so it's gonna be like the funniest thing about your content is when you fucking bust out this weird vernacular i've never heard before about someone's man man mandible or some shit and you start saying something that's wrong with their face and it's hilarious i've never i've never heard these terms you've come up with where do you learn all this stuff
I mean, I learned it on a lot of forums, they do a lot of surveys on
attraction, you know, so just over the years, 'cause I was a big fucking, big time loser in high school. I'd sit on my computer all day, I wouldn't talk to anyone.
You know, sometimes I would go days without saying a word.
So, you know, it really took years to...
become who I was. Now I'm a little bit better socially
I'd say the thing that helped me out the most was I worked in a restaurant as a server. So I was forced to talk to people.
But it is still quite difficult. That's kind of where
like you know the drug stuff came in. I heard you say that and that was really upsetting to me Claf. because truthfully, truly
If you have to poison your body and take drugs and alter your mind to make a bitch talk to you, then she ain't worth fucking talking to, bro. I know. And if you have to do the same thing. No, it's not for girls. No, but if you have to do the same thing for these people at home to watch you, fuck them too.
Like you are who you are and it's not up to you to poison yourself to entertain any of these people. If they're unhappy with how you act and the things you do, unless you're going to take illegal substances, then let them all fuck off.
I'll tell you something about internet fame and this is true
There's a lot of people who want you to be entertained. There's a lot of people who love you.
And there's a lot of people who want to watch you set yourself on fire for their entertainment. They want you to get arrested. They want you to get in trouble. They want you to play stupid songs in nightclubs. They want you to be a fucking clown. They want you to be a dumbass. They want you to do drugs. They want you to get shot and they want to go, "LOL, clavishot, look." And they want to retweet it and then move on with their life five minutes later. They want you to burn yourself. - It's the dopamine. - That's right. They want you to set yourself on fire so they can laugh for five minutes. And you have to be very, very aware of that.
Be yourself, say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't let any of these people and their fucking opinions come at you. There are so many clowns in the world who have achieved nothing compared to what you're going to achieve in your life. Same as me.
I come from Luton, from a council state, I come from a broken parent household, no money, absolutely nothing. At one point, I was one of the most Googled men on the planet, hundreds of millions of dollars, and there's always some fucking jackass who's achieved nothing with an opinion. Fuck these people, fuck them. I refuse.
I refuse to do anything I don't want to do, and you should be the same. Fuck the drugs off. And you know this. I don't want to give you a lecture because you know this already. But don't feel any pressure to entertain these people, and don't feel any pressure to entertain some fucking silly bitch.
with $7 in her bank account in a nightclub. Those women are fucking nothing as well. They don't even deserve your attention. The point you're at, I'll tell you what's really gonna break your heart, 'cause I got there as well.
You've reached a point now
On the ascend, when you're getting all these beautiful women, you feel like you're winning. Wow, I'm getting all these pretty girls. I'm getting all these pretty girls. But now you're at the point where they win.
If you sleep with them, they win. You do all the work. They get to brag about it. Everyone's pretending they're ruining their potential to get a husband. That's not true because 99% of men are fucking simps anyway. They're going to move on. They're going to get married. They're going to have a perfectly fine life. They're going to brag about the fact they slept with you. You're going to burn a bunch of calories when they lay on their back and do fucking nothing. They're going to try and extort you. They're going to claim rape one day and try and steal a bunch of money from you. They're going to sell stories to the paper. They are winning.
You're going out there and you're doing drugs and drinking alcohol to get women so that they can win in the exchange. They don't even win. You don't even win anymore. Yeah. And that's the sad thing about it all. That's why I'm at the point now where if a bitch talks to me, she better give me a fucking kid. I'm not having sex with you for no reason. I'm not giving you the opportunity to lie about me to the press, to accuse me of shit I didn't do. None of that. No. Give me a child or go away.
Yeah, no, I completely agree. And I mean, really the drug stuff is for anxiety because, you know, I really could give a fuck about low stake interactions with like girls and college retards.
that's not the shit I care about. It's really situations where
you're in an environment where everyone is important, your first impression actually matters. That's what puts me under a lot of stress, and could give me a panic attack, and it caused me to break down.
you know I I am but you know neurodivergent you know I I can't claim to be this fucking
you know, alpha male, like who's on top of game all the time. You know, I'm not, right? I'm a bit... No, and a lot of people have never experienced this, so they don't know how strange it is to walk into an establishment and everyone stare at you. Even that, you walk in, everyone looks at you. I have the same thing. When you walk in, everyone is staring at you, and it makes you feel uncomfortable at first. Right, because my entire life I was pretty much invisible. You know, in high school...
I wouldn't talk to anyone, I pretty much had no friends. So I was trying to just drift through life, and now, with all this attention, and it's come so quickly. - Yeah, of course. - It's like flipping a switch on life.
So it does get to me sometimes. - I get it, but you have to obviously adjust to the new lifestyle, you can't always-- - That was the cope, the cope was the drugs. - And I hope the recent thing that happened, I hope it's a wake up for you. - No, no, it absolutely was. I haven't touched anything since. So I think I just need exposure therapy max, and eventually I'll be able to,
be fine. I think I did a good job yesterday. I was in a club and
I was talking to everyone. And the thing is, I'm slowly learning that being neurotypical and being a normal person, it doesn't fucking matter because
When I talk with this vernacular and I talk, you know, say the words that
I'm used to saying, which by the way, is not like something intentional at all. It's just genuinely how I've... - Of course, you're well researched. - I've talked, you know, because I was on forums for
hours every single day we'd say this lingo. So it's quite normal.
And now everyone's adjusting to it. So there's no point of me trying to act like a fucking neurotypical loser. Because everyone's going to adjust to me. I don't have to adjust to them. Well, that's it. That's right. Even the fucking NFL is saying maxing. Of course. Of course. You are the culture. Netflix.
saying fucking jester and all this shit. Absolutely. So if you get to be the culture, then don't worry about it. No one's opinion actually matters. Yeah, I'll just do what I do until everyone is on...
my side of the aisle. Absolutely. And enjoy yourself and be true to yourself. And that's the most important thing, but nothing matters more than health, bro.
And you know, if you do this long enough, you're going to make enemies and you, I know you have security in these things, but you need to be aware and all that kind of stuff.
That's why drinking, drugs, all that kind of shit, fuck it all off. And any woman who wants, who only talks to you because of it, fuck them off too.
One of the worst things about American girls I've noticed is they're constantly looking for drugs themselves. It's a nightmare. If you're hanging around with girls in America, they're like, do you have any of this? Do you have any of this? It's, it's, this, this society is just completely broken. It's completely poison. Yeah. Well, it's, it's absolutely crazy. And this is why, when I was talking about the wife guys earlier, a lot of the traditional trad con Christians are saying, you need to meet a woman and marry her. There's right away.
You can't marry these girls, bro. You can't, there's no wives out here, especially in Miami.
The whole thing is a complete mess. - Well, it's funny because a lot of these parties, like these LA, Hollywood,
hails party they'll just have drugs like out and about on tables and shit and
we anytime we have girls around there's nothing like that nothing of the sort yeah um you know is that that way and the cameras always stay on that way there's no chance of anything going wrong gotta protect yourself young man i mean i we don't want any more mug shots yeah you're beating me now you got like i don't know how many have i got four or five i think you're only on one or two no i'm on two okay so but you're young yeah you've got yeah i only have two no but i always make sure
that
There's proof of my good behavior. Good, good. Because all the ladies love me, I would say.
The PR is quite phenomenal. It's nice.
Yeah, it's interesting. I've watched your journey. Because the liberal media kind of want to hate you, but they can't. They actually like me. Yeah, I was going to say they don't really write things for me.
With me, it's pure bitter. They hate me. Whereas you I'm watching it and I'm reading. I'm like this is pretty balanced. They kind of like this guy. Well, because I mean, I really am not political at all. So like what that you know, looks maxing has no political ties has got no implication of any political party. I think the only reason that
they try to tie it to right wing is like
The fact that I would hang out with you. Probably. But I would just as easily be friends with...
someone who's like liberal, you know, like I don't really give a shit. Yeah, I think they try and use, they used to try and say that like improving yourself, going to the gym, getting muscular, these things were all right wing, but
The whole.
idea of right and left wing now has collapsed. I don't think anyone even believes in these things anymore. No, and I've been saying this for a very long time. The only thing that matters is status and power and money. It doesn't matter if you get it via the left or the right.
however you're mobilizing these particular voter groups to get what you want, which is status, power, and money. It's all bullshit. It's all the same at the top. Everyone's friends at the top. Nobody cares. If you're famous, nobody gives a fuck about right and left. If you're famous and you're rich and you're important,
It's one big club and everyone at the bottom is arguing about sides. There are no sides. There are just rich people and poor people. I mean Michael Jordan kind of said it the best, like Republicans and Democrats buy sneakers. There's no fucking reason to get involved with that kind of bullshit. I want to be friends with everyone.
uh... because for the first time in a while i went to the club
And I don't think a single person
gave me a negative interaction. You know, usually there'll be one fucking dickhead who comes up and talks shit, but there was genuinely
only positivity last night. I was like, "Wow, this is a...
- It's nice, you know? - That's good, bro. You deserve a nice, happy, positive life. - Yeah, and that kind of makes it easier to sober, Max, because
You know, there's really no pressure.
There's no fucking retards who want to argue and shit. - You gonna stay in Miami? Is Miami the city? Is that where you're gonna be? Do I move here? Do I buy a big fucking mansion? - I think you gotta move here. You know, the taxes are quite good, but neither of us have to. But Miami's the hub for influencers, I would say. You know, it's a hub. - I know it is.
It's kind of the hub of... I know it is, but you know, I miss... the thing I loved about Romania is that no one's there.
- Yeah? - I liked being left the fuck alone.
But I just have so much to do this year, so I'm thinking maybe I'll be American-based, America-based. We'll see. Get myself a couple straps, you know, put the guns in the fucking waist, and then... No, your security guy is legit, you know? Yeah, I've got a team, but yeah, he's a great guy. He's really good. No, yeah, I've met a few of them. I was like, holy shit, these guys are, you know... I'm going to steal another coconut, Lauren. You knew I was part black. That's why you got on here. You set me up. Yeah, oh yeah, easy.
Let's see what he's...
Let's see what's going on in the chat.
They're saying oh, they're talking shit. Go figure.
Go fucking figure. You guys are fucking putting some bullshit in the chat, as always.
Okay.
W...
No, they're giving us Ws. They're giving us Ws for the most part. W-clop. Fuck what they say. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean, you know, a lot of people are just trying to get, when they give you negative interaction, are just trying to get attention. Right. That's all it is.
Yeah. It's not real. Yeah. Because I genuinely have no problem with any groups of people. Um, I'm just, uh, and you know, a looks max here at the end of the day through and through, you know,
And I'm a young kid, so it's like
You know, sometimes like edgy humor, it's like, it's funny to me. So if you never got famous,
and you never had the streaming camera and everyone knew who you were, none of that ever happened.
but you looked the same, how much less effective do you think the looks maxing would have been? How much less effective?
Well, um...
The thing is, the reason I got famous- Because-
Although I'm not going to counter your narrative to looks maxing. I agree with you. But I think the true game for men is status maxing.
And this is why you say fat, ugly men who have lots of money get used for money. That's completely true. But they're not high status fat, ugly men. If you're like a very important, if you're
the president of fucking...
- Who knows? If you're Putin, you could have a belly. Who gives a shit? You're the king. - We're talking to all these people right now
And look what we've like, you got to be realistic. Average man can't do it.
So there's no point in talking about status max, because the level we're at and what we're able to do with our status
is so unrealistic to advocate people to do.
But jumping up 10,
you know to 20 percentiles in looks
is easily, easily fucking...
accomplishable by the average man. So I think it's a better thing to advocate for. I agree with you. And I think that looks maxing is actually part of status maxing because looking good is part of status. I would not be status is all encompassing, right? It can be money, fame, looks, lots of different things.
But I think that one of the reasons you have such crazy traction with women is not just your looks. I think a lot of it is the status. Because all these women pretend that they're
you know, they're surprised they get caught on stream. They can see the fucking camera. They know exactly what's going on. They're just so addicted to the status and the clout
Even the negative attention, they're so addicted to any form of attention that they'll do crazy shit right in front of a camera and then ask, "Am I being recorded?" Yeah, I mean, I got with a girl's mom last night and I hooked up with her right after.
I was like, dude, what the fuck is this parenting? I mean, setting a good example for you. Yeah. I'm ready for the asteroid now. I don't know what to say about the world anymore. Everything's just completely crazy. That was like a brutal fucking black pill. I was like, what the fuck is going on? And the dad slash husband, he ain't going to do shit. He's a wife guy. He's the kind of guy who'll be on the internet telling you you shouldn't talk to girls and be loyal to your wife. Dude, it's such a cope though. Like
The red pill is missing such a key element of everything, which was the looks, right? So that's why for years the manosphere was like so ridiculous with the pickup artists.
and all this shit and genuinely no acknowledgement to the fact that the results of the fucking game that they're teaching
are all going to be dependent on your looks level. 100%.
so if you have a no one fucking talked about this no one i mean there would be you know go to the gym again shape
But that would be it, you know? So it's like, it was just so ridiculous. And I would see the mainstream
Manosphere talking, I'm like, are you guys fucking retarded? Yeah. No, looks super matter. Yeah.
Yeah. And but I would still argue that a lot of women out here are just chasing status and clout. Right. But you know, if you status max and you money max, but you're that fat loser, like you talked about, and you're saying, who cares?
yeah but the thing is no women will actually be physically attracted to you that's true so that's a huge problem right you know you're able to get them and
Maybe they'll say loyal because it makes sense in their head. Like, okay, there's no reason for me. But raw physical attraction is a real thing. But yeah, that's literally like beta boxing. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. So yeah, you don't want to be a beta boxer. I completely agree.
Completely agree. But I...
I know what you're saying. I think that if a man, I mean, if you're fat, then it's a difficult one, but at least if you get in lots, if you get in physical condition, if you get in shape and you look dangerous and you look mean, I think as a man, you know, life's sometimes full circle, you know, like a liberal can start being so liberal. They eventually end up conservative and a conservative can be so conservative. He ends up a liberal. Like you can go through stupid and end up the other end of smart. Like it's a weird circle life. I kind of feel it's the same with
with some of these things. As a man, you can almost be so ugly that you're attractive to women. I know dudes who are just massive, and they got a big scar down their face, and they're traditionally ugly, but they're just so big,
and they get so much attention at them. Some other men are so intimidated by them, that they're just attractive. - Well, I mean, yeah, like the frame matters, the height matters because,
These are all biological things that women are attracted to from
early days of evolution, being a protector, a provider, that's still important, right? That's why I lift weights and I recently started training again. - That's good. We have to train bro, let's train sometime. - Dude, I wasn't training because I was working so much that I was like, fuck, I really don't have this hour, but
I'm going to make time for it. But the thing is,
I'm a looks maxer, but at the end of the day, I'm more of an SMV maxer. So I'm going to do what makes the most sense to increase my SMV. And for a while I was working on my status and my money, but now I'm coming back and I'm focusing on my looks now that I achieved that and I have more time.
- So it makes sense. - As long as you're improving something, sir, that's what matters, as long as you're improving something. - What's on the agenda for you these days? What are you working on? - I fly my Bugatti here from Dubai, drive around Miami, just to, you know, Bugatti Max, you know? I'll do some Bugatti Maxing.
but wow i'll put that on a 747 because it's funny i'll fly my bugatti here and then uh but what's the point of driving a
car. There is no point.
- Exactly, so I don't understand. - It's the most famous car in the world. - But having a car is just so retarded. - It's a total waste of time. - Yeah, it's like I want someone to drive me in a bulletproof black-- - That's what I have outside right now. - Yeah, Escalade. - That's right. - All the time. - I know what you're saying, but I'm at that stage now where I've made enough money for the rest of my life, so I'm just enjoying a few toys. You'll get there too. You're being smart now, which is exactly what you're supposed to be, and then in 10 years, you'll be like, "I've been smart enough."
Let me just find something stupid to buy, like a boat or a Bugatti or whatever else. So I'm going to probably do that. I'm going to be here for a while and then I have
I have to go back to Uzbekistan, to Jigistan, Kyrgyzstan. I have something going on over there.
And then I'm gonna go Bali maybe. I don't know, I've been to 17 countries, and I'm on 44 flights so far this year, so I have lots to get done. - Holy fuck. - Lots to get done.
Yeah, it's so weird for me though, like the fact that I'm only 20 years old, but every single person I hang out with is sometimes, you know,
- Like how old are you? - I'm old bro. - How old? - 39.
It makes me mature so much quicker. And it's a good thing, right? It gets me ahead in life. But at the end of the day, anytime I interact with people my age, I'm like, wow, you are such a fucking loser. Yeah. I mean, most 20-year-olds are retarded. You call yourself neurodivergent, but you're smarter than most, so you're doing well.
Well, being neurodivergent is
Actually, I would say a gift. I would
I would not trade my mental state or my neurotransmitters for a normie. Right? Good. Good. So just fucking run with it in public. Good. Go to the public. Run with it. Be exactly who you want to be.
Fuck these people, bro. - The only reason I do it is just like for content. I would cope. I would cope hard. I was like, fuck, I need to do this to get viral content.
But at the end of the day, I could just do what I do and be who I am, and I think it still will do well. - Are you going out tonight?
Yeah, I'm going to my club.
So, and I'm going to another rooftop. So, do you wanna go out? - I've got four or five things to do, but let's stay in touch. - Hey. - Let me know. - All right, brother. - All right, G. - Thanks for coming on.