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I think you're ready for this. Bro, I'm ready. Are you ready? Oh, when you hear what I have to say, you won't be ready. It's not very often someone has a story more interesting than my own life, so I'm certainly looking forward to it. Well, you both had fun in prison, somewhat. Speaking fun, yeah, that's an interesting one. So let me play the intro, and then we'll introduce you, and we'll go from there. Sick, mate.
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I've got my headphones on because I'm a consummate professional in all things.
You know, so I have to wear them, make sure that I can hear things as I'm Mr. Producer.
anybody who doesn't know the background to uh who this gentleman is next to me we're going to start from the absolute very beginning i'm going to give you an introduction i'm going to explain who you are but you and i have already met haven't we met was it a year ago oh yeah over here now i think a year and a half maybe a year and a half ago you had some interesting stories then
But I think we might even have some more interesting stories now. And like I was saying, it's not very often I meet somebody who has
life stories which are more interesting than my own.
Oh, thank you. I'm going to take second place for this podcast. Usually I'm the guy with the stories, right? Because stories come from risk.
Because without risk, there is no...
nothing unique to the story if nothing could have gone wrong then the story is not interesting to hear and you certainly had a story where things could have gone wrong of course always always i think every month i almost die and i just come out on top somehow but it makes the best story like you said bro uh i'm glad you're here let's let's start with that so let me give you a quick introduction
I'll do it officially for you. Miles Rutledge, is that how you say it? Absolutely, man. Also known as Lord Miles, is a British student and vlogger known for danger tourism.
which is where you go to the most dangerous places on earth in august 2021 during the taliban offensive miles started an ask me anything thread on 4chan mentioning he was in afghanistan he said that he planned a five-day trip to afghanistan after searching for the 10 most dangerous countries to visit and he further added that he didn't believe kabul would fall during his stay and you went super viral because you were literally in kabul as america evacuated is that
- Okay, so we have to start at the very beginning.
You're in Kabul.
Afghanistan while America evacuates.
as the last ever tourist in the country. I don't know if I should. Yeah, bro. I like you. I kind of want to yell at you. What were you doing? Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think you, we can all relate to this. We, I didn't want to get vaccinated and it was the only country in the world where you didn't need the COVID vaccine. So I thought, yeah, I need a holiday before the job. I'm going to start after uni. I was going to go into banking. It was, it was a job. So I thought
pump not thinking the whole country was going to fall apart around me and you went to afghanistan for a holiday because you didn't need the vaccine exactly yes that's g thank you that's gangster i mean i'm anti-vax i think everybody knows that i've managed to travel the whole world without injecting it into my blood but the fact that you literally went to afghanistan for a holiday it was worth it okay so let's start at the very beginning because i have so many questions bro this is gonna be a long podcast i have so many questions so
Before Afghanistan,
Where was the most dangerous place you had been to? Birmingham, England. If the people outside the UK don't know, it's the Detroit of England. It's dangerous. I've lived in there most of my life. I've been threatened with knives. I've been mugged a few times as a kid. It's deadly. I would say it's worse than Afghanistan. It's worse than anywhere in the world. I refuse to go to Birmingham. I will go to anywhere in the world but Birmingham. Same with London most of the time. Well, you're right. England is dangerous, but...
Okay. I'm just going to accept your answer. So, but you're originally British, right? So from a danger tourism perspective, what other places had you traveled to which are dangerous before Afghanistan? Had you been anywhere that was dangerous? Well, the first ever place I went to abroad was Chernobyl in Ukraine. So the nuclear wasteland. But I tried to justify it to myself saying, hey, I'm a physics student. This is somewhat physics related. But no, it was just sounds fun. Let's do it.
Okay, so you went to Chernobyl. As you do, yeah. As you do, yeah. Okay. And was that interesting or is it just a desolate radioactive wasteland? Yeah, just a wasteland, just a place people abandoned. Almost fell through the floor onto some barbed spikes, some rebar. So that happened. Had to kind of pull myself up, grab myself falling down. But apart from that, only almost died once.
happens the best of us and then i took it as a sign hey i should keep going you know i should i should keep progressing and play hell here we are so you went to chernobyl you got back to england and you thought i need another holiday of course let me go to kabul of course you need another holiday after the holiday from the holiday all right so because because my brain works in a very logical linear fashion oh let's start from the very beginning how do you get
to Kabul? Like, can the average person, and we're not advocating for this because I don't want to be held responsible. Yes. Can the average person in the UK right now fly to Kabul? You need a visa. Okay. And I'm going to guess as a professional, you will go via Istanbul, Dubai, something like that? Yeah, Dubai, Istanbul, maybe Islamabad in Pakistan. The way I got the visa was I went there and I created my own company and I put myself down as a tourism company and said, I wrote on
So I invite myself to Afghanistan. And then the London office said, "Hey,
we need we need a we need a reason for your travel we need we need a document so i just got an a4 piece of paper and just wrote fun on it slipped it over walked out and they approved it
So you went to the Afghanistani embassy in London? Yes, ma'am.
and you said, I want to go, I need a visa. It needs to be organized by a tour group. Luckily, I own a tour group. I started my own, and I'm giving myself a tour for fun.
And they approved your visa to Afghanistan. I even said, I'll keep myself safe.
And I did. Okay. So then you get a visa. Yes.
you fly to afghanistan you land in kabul yes man is kabul like a normal airport is it like a normal is it like how i'd imagine an airport to be do you land and there's like check-in and everything because i've been to baghdad i went to iraq like five or six years ago yeah interesting story i got
to help a member of parliament who was fighting on a kickboxing show and he invited all these famous kickboxers to legitimize the show and put us in the crowd so when we landed in baghdad and i've got some pictures i'll have to find and put them up we had vip the whole way through so i didn't see the airport or nothing but what is kabul airport like is it like a normal airport yeah it's very small but completely normal you go through you scan your fingers they ask why are you here and again i present the document saying fun on it when i got out some guy uh greeted me he said hey
get out. I said,
be very kind of you free of charge. I imagine, you know, just messing with him. He goes, yeah, yeah, free of charge. So I start walking with him. And obviously just a five minute walk. He goes, Oh yeah, Sid is that way. Hands out.
put his hand out and I go, Oh, I see. Pull out a penny from my pocket, you know, uh, like one cent, just give it to him and say, don't spend it all in one place. Just walk off. Uh, guys are scamming people, you know, trying to intimidate it. Wasn't standing for it. And when I got out, there was some military people, some Husky Americans, you know, uh, Americans were still there. Oh yeah. Yeah. A few days before, I think three days before the fall of Kabul, they were, they were, uh, putting stuff in, you know, uh, armored cars and stuff. They asked,
and said, oh, I think I'm going to see you soon and just walked away. Okay, so you get your visa, you land in Kabul, it's a fairly normal airport, you walk outside, they're trying the taxi scam or the scams to show you where things are, which to be honest, isn't too unusual. That happened to me in Moldova, happened to me in Moscow, happened to me in lots of places, that Famos. So that's quite a common one. So I'm trying to imagine now. There's American army all over the place. Yeah.
Did you have a hotel booked? Did you have somewhere to go? Oh, I didn't book a hotel. I just walked around to I saw one. To be fair, there weren't too many tourists in the area, which I kind of expected. So I walked in and said, oh, yeah, one room police. And they were like, what NGO do you belong to? I was like, uh,
Oh yeah, let me write myself a letter. I'm not joking. But I just said, yeah, just a tourist mate. Gave me a visa. They gave me a funny look. And they asked if I can have a visa. They can have a visa to England. Happens with everyone I spoke to, by the way. Everyone wants to come to England for some reason.
And then I just went around like a Chinese tourist taking photos of everything. It was a lovely holiday. So you just walk around, you find a hotel. Yes, man. How much was the hotel? Oh, about $50 a night. It was a nice hotel. Very nice.
view had a garden breakfast included okay and and i want when you answer this following question i want you to try and answer as a layman because you're clearly a very brave man which i don't want you to answer as yourself because sometimes when you're trying to make people empathize and understand your story you have to answer as yourself that they understand your worldview but you also have to then explain it as a normie i can do so as a normie
Did it feel dangerous?
No, I wasn't in Birmingham. You've got to understand. I was walking around and I saw people with guns and I thought to myself, you know what, if I get into trouble, everyone can be talked to, everyone can be reasoned with, everyone wants something and I can always provide it. There's always a way out of a situation if you understand people and how to speak to them. I think you understand that as well. Well, that's true. And one of the things about Baghdad that actually surprised me when I was there is how much I didn't stand out.
Like I thought, oh, I'm going to stand out like a sore thumb in Baghdad, but maybe because of the American occupation, they just assumed my brother and I were soldiers. We were invisible. People didn't really pay much attention to us. We were just walking around as normal in crowds as normal. Nobody cared about us. Nobody asked us any questions. Everyone had a gun. Yeah, but it was we were pretty much just like normal people. Did you stand out? Were people coming up to you saying, what are you doing here? Or is it just like, ah, just another guy? No, just another guy.
all belong somehow. You belong to an NGO, you belong to some soldier, you're someone in some alphabet society or something. So when I was there, no one questioned it. Most of the time, when I went to a checkpoint, they said, yeah, just give me your military ID. Oh, you're not military. Oh, yeah, NGO ID. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, no. And they were like,
tourists? I was like, yeah, yeah. So only if you tell them do they care. Most of the time, you're just another white guy in Kabul.
You just blend in. Everyone minds their own business. Because, you know, if you are an Afghan, which they knew, by the way, the Taliban were about to take over. And they were seen talking to another white guy. You know, there might be some insinuation. They're colluding or something. So everyone's kept to themselves. So I just had free reign walking around. So when I was in Baghdad, there's another question for you. Yes, man.
I stayed in the hotel and I can't remember the name of it now, which I should know. It's the best hotel in Baghdad and it was bombed two years before I stayed there. It was heavily attacked. So when we got there, it's now militarized and it's a fortress, but it was bombed and a bunch of people died. But it was the best hotel in Baghdad where all of the foreigners stayed. Yes, man.
This is a side note. I find it very strange when I was in Baghdad that especially in the reception of this extremely expensive hotel, there were so many Chinese people because they were rebuilding all. America comes along and destroys these countries, but China gets the contracts to rebuild them. So you had all these Chinese businessmen with like blueprints and loads of Chinese people everywhere in Baghdad. I couldn't believe that one in three people I saw in Baghdad was Chinese, which really blew my mind. Were there a lot of Chinese in Kabul? No, no, but now there is. Now there is. They're starting to come?
China really bid their time and they said, okay,
We know the Americans messed up. We know they're going to leave. We'd signed negotiations with the Taliban. And then as soon as the Americans left and Kabul got taken over by the Taliban, they instantly struck up mining contracts in the northern provinces. $300 million deals. Infrastructure was just instantly imported. So the plan was there. The Chinese were waiting in the shadows for the Americans to leave and just swooped in and just took all the money from Afghanistan. Okay. Okay. I'm getting ahead of myself because I have so many questions. Of course. So, yeah.
Okay.
I'm a bit jealous, but I have so many questions because this is such a cool story. So I'm just trying to envision it for everyone at home. You've landed in Kabul, you've gone through the airport, you've found a hotel somehow, and you're on holiday.
You're walking around, you're taking pictures, you're going to the pool, you're effectively on holiday in Afghanistan. Yes, mate.
Okay, fine. Now, before we continue with this story, why do they call you Lord Miles? Where did Lord come from? Identity fraud. No, I'm kidding. So, yeah, technically, technically, yes. I spoke to a lawyer and he said, oh, be careful with the story, Miles. I'm just going to tell it anyway. I want to tell you my channel. I'm anti, the Matrix hates me. Yes, man.
Don't give the matrix any reasons to destroy your life. Oh, no screw it. If anyone does a digging, I'll find out so I might as well give the full story. What happened was at 18, I was homeless for three months before my A-levels, right? So I was in a bad situation. And then when I went to university, everyone thought, hey, we'll buy this, we'll buy our friend Miles, this one of his lordship certificates. You've seen them online, right? Yeah, yeah. And he thought, oh, homeless lord, that's, that's quite funny, you know, little gag joke. But I got this certificate and I looked at it. And this is before everyone knew about these things.
at it and thought, this is really realistic. You know, this is high quality. So I thought, you know what, I'm going to try and play the world. And I put on my best suit. I walked down to NatWest Bank at the time and I waited until lunchtime. So it was really busy and everyone wanted to go on, go off shift. And I walked in, put my best accent and go, oh, excuse me there, yes. My father bought some land in Scotland, yes. I would like to change my title. And they looked at it and they go, wow,
They photocopied it and it went on all my credit file. So at that point I was Lord. And every single, every single meeting I've ever done with a government or anything, they have to reluctantly say Lord.
now i know that's true and i'll tell you how i know that's true and i would love to prove this but i've been banned from every banking institution on the planet i'm on a i'm on a politically exposed person's list i'm on what's called a pep list so because i have opinions on the internet i'm not allowed to bank anywhere england new zealand caribbean there's not a country on earth that will give andrew tay a bank because i've been banned globally but before that i remember i had an argument with somebody who went to university and i was explaining that university
to time and money and I'm richer than they'll ever be. So what's the point in going? And they said, ah, yeah, but life's not all about money, etc. The prestige, I've got a degree, I've got a doctorate, I'm a doctor. And I said, bro,
I'm a doctor.
They said, no, you're not. And I remember calling that West purple card, that West same bank. Oh yeah. I called Matt West and said, why have you sent me the wrong name of my card? It says, Mr. Andrew Tate. It should be Dr. Andrew Tate. And they literally said, sorry, sir, new card on the way. And from there, all of my cards said, Dr. Emory Andrew Tate. I was a doctor on it to every bank for a good two years. I never had to go uni, never signed up, no student loan. And I was a doctor. So I know what you're telling is the truth. I recommend everybody at home to pull that off.
it's fun so i was a doctor so i know what you're saying is true so that's how you became lord okay and did you start your social media as lord or did you start as myel rutledge and then it came i'm trying to try to get everyone to understand how you became famous because you've been a niche internet celebrity for a while oh thank you man well i've been i've i was on 4ch at the moment i just thought you know i'm gonna share this experience in afghanistan it's gonna be fun people are gonna ask me some questions why not you know i didn't think it'll blow up and my my handle
why are you Lord Miles? What's this about? And I just took a picture of my bank card, sent it for numbers and shown it. And it was hilarious. So it just stuck at that point. And all the media said, this guy called Lord Miles, he's holidaying in Afghanistan as the Taliban taking over. And ever since then, it's just my thing now. But my goal long term is to become actually a lord. So if the king asks nicely, I'll allow him to grant me lordship. That's very kind of you, Miles. Thank you. I'm a generous man. Very kind. Now, before we cut the Twitter feed
which we're about to do. I want to say thank you to all the super chats. Everyone knows I have my own charity, tape pledge.com.
You can go there and see who we're helping in the world today. I'm going to play some video later showing who we're helping. And also, you have some stories to tell about charity and NGOs and all these kind of things. So I think it ties in very well. So thank you to everybody who sent us a super chat. We have a $200 super chat, $150 super chat. All of this money goes to Tate Pledge. And you can go to tatepledge.com to see exactly how it's spent. We're the most efficient charity in the world. Unlike all these other garbage charities that pay all our CEOs huge salaries and waste money, we literally just buy food and I cover from my own money.
We just send guys into the country to help people. So thank you very much for donating. Everybody who's on Twitter, we're going to move over to Rumble now. And I'll give everyone a few minutes. I'm going to play the intro again, give everyone a minute or so to move over to rumble.com slash Tate speech. And then we're going to continue with this epic saga from either the world's most brave.
No, I'm not going to call you anything other than brave. You are brave. You're very brave. Stunning and brave, right? Stunning and brave. Yeah. So we're going to play the intro. We're going to carry on with the story.
Thank you.
Good stuff.
Mr. Producer, make the best shows. Mr. Producer, got all them bones. Mr. Producer, gonna break the feeling. Mr. Producer, do the emergency meeting.
Right. So you've landed, you flew, you went to Kabul, airports are fairly normal. They want to see your visa. You show them your visa. You walk out, you find some hotel. It was a nice hotel.
What do you do on your first day in Afghanistan? Oh, first day, I just go walking around to strangers and talking to them. Some guys have guns. I walk up to them. Hey, can I have a picture? Lovely stuff. I just, I start shitposting around. I'm sharing everything on social media. I'm just taking pictures of complete strangers. They're saying, hey, there's one area just fell to the Taliban. I go, hey, can we go right up to the border with it and try and take a picture? Maybe I can get a little bit close to the Taliban. Not knowing that two days later, the fall of Kabul would happen. So that was pretty insane.
just doing normal tourism stuff.
completely normal
Right. There's internet in Afghanistan. You can upload these pictures. There's free Wi-Fi. It's dead slow. Worst internet I've come across apart from North Korea, I imagine. But it works somehow. It somehow worked.
Okay. So you have internet and people speak English.
somewhat yeah uh which means very little but some people speak some english uh some people just know a few words but everyone has a smartphone so everyone has google translate and everyone wants to help you out that's a good thing about them okay so you're in afghanistan you're walking around having a tourist thing so how did you know kabul was about to fall how did you start to sense things were going wrong and and what happened tell me the story of you're in kabul you've gone there as a tourist you've been walking around asking people questions you're in your hotel and then
have happened that made you think uh oh and surely as a human being part of you must have been concerned and been like maybe i'm here at the worst possible time one of the best possible time man no so what happened was i was walking around the street just doing some normal sightseeing and then everyone just starts looking at their phones and looking at each other very concerned and you can read the body language the whole atmosphere gets really really tense and what i find out is uh the taliban have given an ultimatum to the to the current government saying hey either
going to take the place by force right now. Everyone starts running for banks. So the central bank, I remember the day before I tried to take out $250. The central bank did not have $250 to give me, $150 max. So people are trying to withdraw their life savings from the ATM. And in dollars or in the local Afghanistan currency? Both dollars and Afghani, nothing is left. The ATMs are dry even before people get there. So everyone starts panicking. People are running around. People start driving on the sidewalks.
too. So I go, wow, it looks like the holiday's ending. I should run to the UK embassy. Of course, the embassy had just left as well a few minutes earlier, knowing this automaton was coming. So the embassy evacuated? Yeah, the embassy evacuated. They said they were going to stick around, but they didn't. So lovely chaps, a bit cowardly. But I thought, you know what? I need to go to the airport. So I grab a taxi and I'm running to the airport, other side of the city, by the way, worst possible place I could be in. So as I'm going there, I'm trying to book a flight on my
It's 700 pounds, $700 in Afghanistan. So it's raised a red flag. So I'm quickly calling that West and I'm shouting, I'm going, Hey, Taliban are coming. I need to unblock my account. Thanks. Bye. They unblock my account. And then all the flights are booked. So I'm like, fuck, I'm screwed. And plus every flight has been grounded. So I think, you know what, this has gotten really interesting. What do I do now? And I see a kind of a group of white people walking around and they look like
walking, I see they're walking towards this safe house they tell me about where all the foreigners have been instructed to go. So I think, you know what, this game will interesting, time to do this. So I'm sorry, posting some photos and then some Taliban corner me.
Okay, so you found white people. Of course. Right? You found white people. I'll go with them. Mm-hmm.
And it's kind of interesting because every single time you're telling me these stories, I have a story which ties into a lot of them. I had a story once I fought on K1 in China. This is a long time ago. And I can't remember the name of the Chinese town I was in, but it wasn't Beijing. Let's put it that way. We landed in Beijing and it was another three hour flight far west, like the Mongol border. Yeah, where no one goes.
And I remember...
After my fight, I got dropped off at the airport. They just left me there. And all of the airport boards are in Chinese. I had no clue my flight had been canceled. And I was...
going up to people trying to find out information. And I guess they were afraid of the government. If you get seen talking to a foreigner, maybe it's a crime or something, but they were running away from me like they were afraid. So whenever I go up to someone to say, excuse me, they go, no, no, no, no. And run away. Airport staff, everyone would run away from me like I had COVID.
pre-COVID. And I was like, what's going on here? And I
I was stuck in the airport by, I think it was six hours in. I tried to buy a bottle of water with a hundred dollar bill. They wouldn't take it. I couldn't get water. I couldn't get anything. And I did what you did. I need to find a white person. I need to find somebody who speaks English. Who knows what's going on? Who knows what's going on? And I walked around the airport for a good two hours. So I found some German businessman who was in the steel business, who also spoke Chinese, who managed to negate and fix the whole situation for me. Very kind gentleman. I don't know his name. Let's call him Hans. Hans. Stefan. Stefan Strauss. Stefan Strauss.
watching this. Thank you very much for that time in China 11 years ago. He managed to talk Chinese and fix it all, and I got on a flight to Bangkok
eight hours later i remember that so i know what you mean when things go wrong you're like okay i need my people
Exactly, yeah. Someone to explain without bullshit what is going on. Because most of the time it's all this bureaucracy, no one has any idea. But the white dudes always know. Because they always come from the top, sadly. Okay, you're right. So you found these white guys and you said, whatever you guys are doing, I want to do. And they said, we're going to a safe house. Yes.
The safe house was owned by who? Why is it a safe house? What is a safe house? Explain a safe house to me. Yeah, so it's basically a compound, full on barbed wire everywhere, guards, concrete walls, you can't throw a rock over, that's how tall it is. It's a fortress for such a situation. It's right next to the airport too. So I'm guessing this is where the emergency situation was happening. The place was guarded up to hell and most people couldn't even get in. And before this even happened to, I got cornered by the Taliban before I even reached the safe house.
So it seemed like things were going south. When did the Taliban corner you and where? So I was just walking about halfway to the safe house and I saw some Taliban in the distance. They started running towards us. They started running. And I thought, you know, who are they running towards? But of course, their eyes locked on me. And to them, I looked suspicious. They maybe thought I was someone else. But they cornered me and they told the other guys, get lost. We need to talk to Miles. And I thought, fuck me. They knew your name? No, no, no. But I was wearing a T-shirt at the time, let's say. It had my name on it.
Long story, long story. I had funny friends, man, big regrets. But they called on me and they said, "What are you doing here? Who are you? Are you military? Are you intelligence? What are you doing?" I was like, "No, no, just a tourist." They were like, "Don't believe you. Don't believe you. Where are you from?" And I said, "Oh, Wales."
And he said, where's Wales? Because you know, no one's heard of Wales outside of Wales. Yeah, exactly. And I showed him my passport and I showed him, yeah, look, say United Kingdom. It means like a few countries have come together, you know? And he say, so you're part of England? I'm like, no, no, no, no, brother. I'm not part of England. England invaded us. You know, one struggle, one struggle right here. I'm on your side. And they're like, holy shit, he's our guy. And he'd shake my hand and say, so sorry about your situation. Have a nice holiday. Just let me go. I'm like, thank you.
be Welsh you're the first person in history we're pretending to be Welsh somehow benefited yes I'm sure that's true exactly yeah I don't think anyone else in history has been Welsh to benefit ever okay so then you follow these guys to this safe house these guys are English or American oh German actually Germans yes they're soldiers I think so
Okay. And they take you because you've come along and they let you in the safe house. Yeah, they thought my story was funny. So they were like, yeah, come on along, mate. These guys have guns?
No.
No, no, they ditched it. If they have guns, they might shoot on sight. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, sometimes you have to give your weaponry up. I understand that. So you get in the safe house. Oh, not so easily, man. Not so easily. So there's a big queue. There's a bunch of Turkish people trying to get in that type of stuff. So we walked in front of a queue because, you know, we're white people. And the guard goes, no, we're full. No one else. No one else. And I go, what country are you from, mate? He goes, I'm from Greece. And I go, well, I'm not Turkish, man.
Don't worry. Let me in. Let me in. And he thinks this is funny. They go, "Haha, guy, come on in, man." So I just tell a really crappy dad joke. They just let me in. And the biggest mistake they did when they let me in, you know what they did, Andrew? They gave me Wi-Fi.
They gave me wifi to my, to my hotel rooms. Of course I started live streaming.
So your life's from a safe house? Of course, yeah. And what's going on in this safe house? Are people concerned? Is there worry? Are there armed guards? Have they set up sentry points? Like what's happening? How do they know the safe house won't be overrun? Are they preparing for a final showdown against the horde?
the Taliban weren't meant to take over, but it was happening. So we got special forces from every single country barricading themselves in here. And then you've got a few Indonesian workers. So there's a huge language barrier. They're panicking too. They work just normal construction jobs, you know, infrastructure, telecommunications. It's a shit show. No one knows what they're doing, but I'm just sitting in my room and thinking, you know, I've got something from the vending machine right now. I have a right laugh. I'm going to post about this, you know, should be
Well, that's true. There's no advantage to not documenting your absolute demise. So how long are you in the safe house for? About two days.
Two days. And after two days, what happens? How do you leave? What happens at the safe house? Well, I meet some SAS guys, and they've seen me on the Daily Mail. They've seen me on all the news sites. And they're like...
you're that fucking guy. I was like, yeah, man. They're like, we love you. Come on up with us. You have a drink. So these men, these group of soldiers were shit faced before an operation about in four hours, right? And they were eating Doritos, packing Pringles. They were drinking. I haven't drunk alcohol before this, by the way. It's my first time drinking alcohol. So I'm just drinking, you know, a little bit of whiskey with some fucking SAS soldiers where now in a new Muslim country where, you know, alcohol is clearly illegal.
And I think to myself, you know, this is a great time. They start filming it too. They think it's hilarious. They start showing me their weaponry and how to use it just in case. I think, you know, this is all right. And then afterwards, you know what they have to do? There was a bunch of journalists meant to be adventure journalists. You know, the stuff that I actually do. They were wannabes. Yeah, yeah, wannabes, you know, just all the show. Pussies. Yeah, journalists. Pussies. Fake. Probably booked a hotel in advance. Exactly. Crazy people.
get evacuated because they were very scared. They didn't want to walk a whole five minutes away.
just to the safe house, even though the Taliban at this point promised everyone safe passage. So these men got charged, what, $30,000 for a five-minute walk?
They paid it, by the way. They paid it. I bet they did. Yeah, so these SAS contractors, very happy men, very happy. Oh, yeah. Okay, so you're in the safe house. You meet the SAS guys, and the SAS guys say, we're leaving? Yeah, they said, you know what, we've got a safe channel out. We've got C-17s flying in every five minutes. Everyone's going out, man. Come join us.
And you get on a C-17 American? Yeah, no, British, man. British C-17. That flies where? Dubai.
Dubai has a free trip to Dubai too, it's lovely.
Good stuff. So you land in Dubai and the saga's over. And now you're...
It gets you better. So I get an email saying, sorry, Miles, you missed your connection. You technically have terrorism insurance, including your booking. Here's a few hundred pounds.
So I thought, you know, I profited off this holiday. So yeah, basically. Yeah. And also I took some level three plates for me. So the Americans obviously envious of this. All the stuff you guys left behind in Afghanistan, I took a good chunk of it with me and then sold it on eBay. The Dubai people just thought, oh, this guy's walking around with body armor. He must be a soldier. He must be allowed this. So if you just do anything with confidence, you can get away with it.
So I became an arms dealer technically. So this is when I first heard of you. Because this is the first, for everyone listening, this is not his most recent story. Because this is when you first blew up on the internet because it was the fall of Kabul. You're there. Everyone's talking about how you went there as an adventure tourist. It's all over the media. You managed to get out. You get to Dubai. I guess from Dubai you fly home to England, a dangerous country. Free flight again. Yeah, free flight home to the dangerous country of England. Yeah.
What happens then? How long before you return? And what made you think, I really want to go back to Kabul? And please, please, make this make sense to the normal people. It will not make sense ever. That's why people follow me. It's just, it's a constant shit show. So you fly back to England. What happens? I put on my body armor because I'm in London now. Just in case, you know. And I get given a free five-star hotel in Swindon. Lovely place. Very dangerous though. Because of COVID. So the biggest concern for them is COVID at this point.
to myself like i get free room service lovely stuff um so i'm just sitting around uh see government gave you a free hotel yeah as you do yeah i mean they give it to all the other afghans and they have done for years so why not me i guess um i guess that is true i don't understand why the british government does that but yeah they do yeah it's really no sense at all yeah actually send them back send them back at this point i'm just sitting in the hotel looking at the media spot uh spectacle now my university calls me up and i know i'm in trouble at this point because
he can't kick me out because I've got leverage against Loughborough University. So I'm going to throw him out there. So you're in uni at this point. Yeah, I'm studying physics. I'm in my second year at this point.
Yeah. So you didn't do my doctor trick to avoid all that garbage. Not yet. No, I still have time. You still have time. Yeah, I still have time. And overall, what's your view of, and I know this is a side note, but I think you're going to say what I think you're going to say. And it ties into my overall message because I believe the modern education system is the biggest waste of time ever. And I think it's designed to put you in debt and indoctrinate you as a slave to the matrix. So I'm very anti traditional education because nobody learns anything of value. Nobody gets rich.
and they just pump your mind with propaganda for years so what did you think of university as a whole like a good 75 of lecturers i thought yeah these these people definitely got bullied in school they got a weird complex going on that they need to be respected and then suddenly they uh went into this nice little bit of research but no one cares about outside their niche circle jerk of autistic men researching uh some derivative or some chemical and they think they're important in their little field and they get paid like you know what 50 grand or something for dedicating what 20
research of their life. And, you know, they express their power and exercises on kids who actually respect them because they want to climb up in the world. I just think it's a Ponzi scheme. Honestly, if you want to earn money, I earn money selling Taliban merch. I earn more in what one month and they do in one year and they're meant to be geniuses. Well, that's true. I mean, I can't sit here and tell people it's a solid business idea for the
Traditionally, and I've said this many times throughout my message, that when you find people who ended up rich, they usually did something a little bit unorthodox. I've never met anybody who's truly rich, who went to school, went to college, went to uni, got a degree, got in debt, got a mortgage, followed the prescribed system and ended up rich. Because the prescribed system is designed to enslave, is not designed to allow you to break free. And this is a perfect time for me to mention university.com, which is at the bottom of this page.
video. You can see it there in the scrolling banner at the bottom because university.com is a genuine alternative to traditional education because we actually teach people how to get rich for real, which is what university does not want to teach you. So it's a perfect time to mention. So you're not upset that you've missed any classes.
Oh, no, no, no. I dropped out. I dropped out of this point. You dropped out to see the tech to go to Kabul. You know what? They really doubled down. I had so much dirt on the university. I got one of the lecturers kicked out because he was raping kids through, what was it, Tinder? He was catfishing people. He was one of my lecturers too. I found out because I was famous in the university, even before the whole Kabul thing. So I was very high profile there. They didn't dare kick me out, but they tried to make my life hard. They said, "Oh, Miles, you have to go to diversity meetings.
myself, you know, this physics degree to joke, I'm never going to do any of this stuff in real life. You know, I'm going to take a gamble here. I'm going to drop out. I'm going to go my own way, see what I can do. And if it messes up, I can always work another job.
Right. So you're back in England after this. And normally what happens, I mean, I have a story, which is semi-famous on the internet, where I went to Jamaica and I was robbed in Jamaica. And I said to myself when I was out, I'm never going back. Didn't you think I am never going back there? Shirley Parton, you thought, I pulled it off. I have the story. I can tell everyone now there is no point in me going back to Kabul. No, I thought, oh, damn, I need to go back quick. I thought to myself, holy shit, this is a great opportunity because now I can meet a whole different Afghanistan, you know, because everything's changed now. So I thought,
I'm going back to a different country effectively. And plus, what makes a bad story? Going to another country later on or actually going back to the country that I fled from? You know what I mean? Why was I running from the Taliban? You know, what's actually going on? Yeah, it's only the Taliban. I mean, yeah, man, it's not ISIS. I mean, I've met ISIS at that point, but that's another story, Andrew. Lovely story. But also... You're back in England. So where's the next place you go? You must have gone somewhere before you went back. Yeah, South Sudan. I just thought, you know, I'll pop down to this country.
just obscure one. Isn't South Sudan extremely difficult to get a visa? Yeah, I did the same trick. Same trick, just inviting myself, said I'll keep myself safe. And they said, so true, Miles. Here you go. And just gave me the visa within a day.
At the embassy in London. Yeah, embassy in London. Well, no e-visa. So I didn't even see anyone.
See, life is really easy, guys. You just have to hack it and pull some strings, you know? Okay, so South Sudan. I'm sure you're full of a whole bunch of different stories about South Sudan.
Because I know the country split and...
I saw some other videos on other people who were there and that was pretty chaotic at the time and it's one of the poorest countries in the world. And did you just turn up and get a hotel just walk around same thing? Yeah, didn't even book it again just didn't even book a hotel. How long were you there for? A week, a week, only a week, but I wish it was longer to be honest. In the north, there was a huge scare where there was three isolated clusters of a virus that killed people just randomly like whole villages just dropped dead. So that indicates a bioweapon. So at that point I just thought, you know, I'm not gonna make two international images.
diplomatic incidents in two weeks. I'm going to go to the neighboring country, went to Kenya, did the whole East African thing. I felt like a white girl just wanting to travel a little bit. Those white girls love travel. Of course. And they love danger. Totally, totally.
Unfortunately, yeah. And then what made you decide...
that's it it's time i really miss kabul oh i i see finally there's a tourism visa available so it wasn't oh i i want to do some risk assessment i saw it was possible and as soon as it was possible so the tourism visa was suspended for a while yeah yeah you know the visa was in flux no one knew what was being accepted uh you know people were getting denied but now there was a new standard setting i thought this is a perfect time ladies and gentlemen perfect time
Okay. Someone's saying matrix attack. It's okay now, matrix attack. I don't know what they're talking about.
Peace.
Thank you.
It's okay. All right. I don't know what they're talking about. Yeah. So I've got a few photos. We're going to play here.
If we can. There's a few photos I'm going to show here. I'm just going to randomly choose random photos and you can randomly, you can explain to us what they are. Oh, yes, man.
Oh yeah, that was... So what is this? That was my latest holiday I went on. So you know, I spent eight months in Taliban prison?
Yeah, I was, I was... So we're getting ahead of ourselves now. This is when you went back, right? Well, no, it was my fifth trip to Afghanistan. Fifth? Fifth, yeah. Oh, I'm addicted. It's a lovely country. Yeah, same in prison too. I had my laptop in prison, by the way, so I was just taking selfies. Good stuff. You want to look at the third one right there, that one, man. Or the group selfie. Bottom left, third one, yeah. This one? Yes, man.
Yeah, so that's me. That's me and the Taliban right there. My Tali bros. Top T's. Tali bros. Top T's. Absolutely, man. Well, I mean...
I'm not going to say they're not the top T's. They literally beat the American war machine. Yeah, man. They had nothing. They started with nothing and then they ended up having the country back after 20 years. That's pretty gangster. It's hard to deny. That's pretty impressive. It's very respectable. They took on the strongest country of the world and won. And they're very happy about it. So let's talk about how you ended up on your last trip, which is
Because I was concerned for you. I want everyone to know at home. Why? It wasn't Birmingham.
You were in Birmingham, but I was worried that I had my own little stint in jail. And when I got out of jail within the first three to four days, I remember thinking,
Is he out of Afghanistan? Because you got, you vanished. Oh, it was in the middle of it. Yeah, that's it. You vanished off the face of the planet. And we'll talk about how you were kidnapped or killed. No one had heard from you. And I remember getting out of jail and saying, surely he's out. And no one knew, still nobody knew what was going on. And I was messaging these large Twitter accounts based in Afghanistan saying, does anybody know what's happened to this guy? I'm worried about him. And everyone's like, no, we don't know, we don't know. So you go back to Kabul. Yeah, fifth time. For your fifth time. We don't have time to talk about all the other trips.
networking as you do as you do yeah to be fair here's a tip if if there's a new government
like a drastic change, you want to make friends with those people if you want to do some big business. If you grow into that and make yourself necessary, there's a lot of money to be made.
a ton of money. I'm sure there is. Yeah, that's probably very true. That's a good tip. Just disclaimer before the Daily Mail prints an article. I'm not advocating for anybody to go to Afghanistan or Kabul. I'm just trying to find out because what they're going to do is they're going to say Andrew Tate, toxic influencer and misogynist is encouraging young school boys to go visit Afghanistan. And no, I am not. I'm just trying to understand your story because it's
extremely interesting so how did you end up because so the last eight months you've been in prison nine months eight months yeah for eight months you were in jail so let's start you fly back to kabul start from the beginning of this trip you've just you're doing business you're going in and out of kabul you've decided this is how you're going to make your fortune yes man so at this point i've been selling taliban merch so you know the taliban headbands you know the taliban shoes this type of stuff i can buy it up dirt cheap and resell it in the west a nice markup and i admit
the only one doing it and it's really hard to get your hands on them. So I had all the permits, it was all good. And when I got back, I would make a nice little chunk of change. And I thought, you know, this is good business. It's better than what I wanted to go into, which was investment banking. And I was like, you know, I'm going to go back for a fifth time. I'm going to do some big business. Now, Andrew, you know that there's tons of Chinese in Iraq. Now there's tons of Chinese in Afghanistan. And do you know why? Andrew: Why? Jason: There's minerals, tons and tons of gold everywhere. The Chinese paid $300 million
as soon as the Taliban took over for the mining rights of the Northern provinces. Because there's so much money to be made there. Three trillion dollars of minerals. And you know what? Every other country had tried to invade Afghanistan. You know, the Soviets, the English, the Americans, NATO. And you know what? I thought, you know, I'm not going to invade it, but I want, I want a little chunk of it. I want a little bit of business. You want to be involved in the action. Yeah. You know why? I want to, I want to make everyone happy and I want to make myself happy. I align everyone's pockets. I align myself. Well,
I understand that because I had a saying I said about money a long time ago, and I said that money is a lot like water. Oh, yes. And it's like the precipitation cycle where it rains and then it falls into a river and then it flows downstream into the ocean and then it evaporates up into a cloud. Then the cloud moves and it rains somewhere else. Money is always moving. Money is never staying still. Even if you put your money into a bank, the bank is using that money. The bank is either lending that money out or investing that money. When you have money in your pocket or in your bank, you spend it on things.
things if you go buy a starbucks you've spent the money the money has moved starbucks buys cups or beans from colombia the money moves again money is always moving and if you want to get very rich what you have to do is identify ways in which money is moving and put yourself in the middle just like the precipitation cycle if you put yourself in the middle of the cycle you're going to get wet if you can see how the water is moving if you can be in the way of that river or if you can be standing under the cloud when it rains you're going to get rich so what you did is you
A lot of money is being moved around. So if I'm kind of near it or close to it, I stand a chance of getting some money, which makes a lot of sense. If you want to get wet, you go near the water, right? Exactly. So if you want to get rich, you go near the money. So I understand that mindset. It's very brave.
i'm not sure exactly what your plan was and we don't want to reveal that to the world in case anyone tries to steal it but i understand so you go back with the intention of becoming a mining mogul oh yes for the northern province of afghanistan which the chinese have bought the mining rights yeah so i was going down south at this point because the belt and road initiative uh was covering up north the chinese didn't want to go down south and what from what i understood the taliban did not want uh any more chinese influence around the country because they saw
They don't want the Chinese monopolizing the country. And they go, you know what, we want someone else, but no one's touching us. And plus, if you've done deals with the American government, which most big companies have, you're ineligible. So I was the only person who was going there and looking at the opportunities. And all the data was there, Andrew. The Americans had taken the samples, the core samples, and wrote a written report saying, hey, exactly this much gold is here. This is how you get it. The number's all here. And I thought to myself, there's literally
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So, university.com is how absolutely anybody can make money from home without going to Kabul. I don't think I'd ever say that sentence in my life, but now I've said it. So, if you want to make money online, if you want to escape the matrix and avoid the enslavement, which is the modern educational system, you can go to university.com and you don't have to get a visa for Afghanistan. So, we're showing another picture here of you with the Tali Bros. Oh, yeah, man. Not my Tali Foes, honestly. Not the Tali Foes. Yeah, Tali Bros. Right. So, you're on your trip back. You've gone back. You've gone to the Kabul airport. I guess
story, right? Yeah, yeah. Normal stuff. Normal stuff. So how do you end up arrested? How long are you in Kabul before you're arrested? Yeah, man. So I go down to a neighboring city called Jalalabad. I call it Jalala good because I like it, to be fair. And then I go to a Western Union because the ATMs don't work there.
You can Western Union money to Afghanistan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's only a few ways to get money into Afghanistan. One of them is Western Union because it's controlled by the Americans. You know what I mean? The Americans don't want Afghanistan having sovereignty, so they've blocked everything. No swift transactions. It's really terrible. So they've, yeah, it's sanctioned to the roof. Yeah, exactly. But you can Western Union money into Afghanistan. Yeah, exactly. So I've got a house in Afghanistan at this point. It's rather crazy and I need to pay rent, you know. You rented a house?
the table for another trip how much is rent in afghanistan too much man uh the american price is still there the three-bedroomed house about 300 i found in central cabal uh quite nice quite nice that's not bad i guess it's not that cheap considering you're in cabal yeah yeah you know it should be a lot cheaper for the average day people you know a lot of people don't know though a lot of people don't understand that a lot of the most dangerous countries and the places you don't want to visit are actually very expensive oh yeah africa's the same you think oh africa's
because of all the problems, because of how hard it is to access money, because of the banking, et cetera. It's actually an expensive place to go. Oh, the UN as well. They raise the prices because they spend all the time there. So they make nothing for the locals because the locals are unprofitable compared to white dudes turning up, you know, for charities and such. It's crazy. Anyway. So you have a house, and by now you have a house. You basically half live in Kabul. Yeah. You have a house. Yeah, I live maybe one day a week, one day a month in England, and every other day is just abroad somewhere. How do you pay your electricity bill in Kabul?
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And you're in your house. And then what happens next? How long were you in Kabul before you got arrested? Well, I realized, I think it was a few days, but I realized, I need to pay rent, need to get some money out. I need to go to Western Union. So I sent myself about a thousand dollars. And in Afghanistan, you must understand this is a suspicious amount. It's a lot of money. A thousand dollars is. Oh, that's one of my friends. Lovely lads.
And we get told, hey, wait here a second. And we wait and they go, no, you can go now. So when we walk out, we get back into the car. I've got $1,000 in my pockets in Afghani, which is, you know, this stack is high because the American screwed over currency when they made it. It's all hyper inflated. And then suddenly, you know, we got a guy with a machine gun just sits, stands in front of our car. One guy pulls out a handgun, points it close to my head and they go, you're under arrest. We need to investigate what you're doing this money for. A bit suspicious. We know who you are.
so they knew how long you'd been there yeah yeah you know uh so they're not completely unorganized like they know what's going on no they're very organized they know their people their intelligence agency is actually very good it's called the gdi the general directorate of intelligence and they're on the ball with things absolutely so they want to investigate me i think you know what fair enough you know i would question why i've been in afghanistan five times too i don't want to keep interrupting this story but for me to for me to understand it
i i have to keep asking questions so the gdi are the afghani internal intelligence service yeah like mi6 cia and were they they are were they working with the americans originally or are they the taliban's new services no yeah so they have a taliban they're they're the og people they're the og so they've come along and got rid of the american-led intelligence services and gotten the taliban ones yes which is called the gdi yes exactly okay and the gdi's goal is to preserve
the sanctity of God,
I guess, civilized life inside of Afghanistan. Exactly. They want, they don't want, they don't care about any other countries or what they're doing. They only care what happens inside Afghanistan and they want everything to be safe. They want to decrease terrorism or anything that might cause problems for the average Afghan people. They want shady stuff to stop basically. And you know what's interesting?
And this is a side point, but most people, especially humans, we all gravitate towards peace. And this is actually quite an interesting point I can make in light of the current situation in Israel, Gaza, because you have a lot of people on Twitter who are calling for war and calling for destruction. It's very easy to call for war and destruction when it's far away and you're on Twitter and you want to sound like a tough guy. But the reality of life is that when you reach a point of genuine violence or disorder or chaos, you're naturally going to gravitate towards peace.
man that we say they are. If they can preserve society and keep things peaceful, they're going to be appreciated by the general populace. Because if you don't have the Taliban, you have chaos. And people would rather have something they understand
better the devil you know than absolute chaos right because the taliban do have law and order a version of law and order oh yeah it's very strong too and you don't you don't want to mess with the taliban no no of course not no and if you're a normal man living a normal life you don't want your store to be robbed you don't want your daughter to be raped so you need to have some degree of law and order which is feared exactly which is going to be the taliban yeah the americans never understood that and that's why afghanistan always had loads of problems but as soon as the gdi came in i even saw the difference for streets peaceful no prostitutes no robberies
no holdups, no nothing. Everyone is in their place and acting well, which is excellent to see. So the GDI know what they're doing. Exactly. So you'd been there five times, you just got a big chunk of money and they bust in your door?
I'm in the car at this point about to drive. Oh yeah, the car. Sorry, they come up to the car and they put a gun up. Yeah. And they go, you know, stop, get out, come with us. You know, we need a question. I go, you know what, that's routine. No problem, man. No problem. And you go with the GDI. Yeah. And I'm with two friends at this point. They're from the West. This is their first time, by the way. So I'm very sorry to them publicly. You brought them? Yeah. Yeah. They were my business associates. They had, they had PhDs. So they've gone down the normally lifestyle, but they, they really wanted to do. You convinced your friends to come to Kabul. Oh, they wanted to come.
They begged me to come and I thought, you know what? I think I better give him a chunk. It's all how much money I was making, how much fun I was having. And they wanted a piece of that. You know, they realize their lives were incredibly boring, man. And he just wanted a piece of a venture really. They wanted just to travel, I guess, like every white woman. I've got, no joke. I've got one person in my DMS every single day going, "Miles, I want to go to Afghanistan right now. Tell me how and I will go."
So all three of you are taken by the GDI from this car. Yes, man. Just a normal investigation. They always, in the news headlines, they tell this nonsense. They always say, oh, secret police kidnapped him. No, no. It's their government. They formally arrested me and detained me per question. Formally? Like you got papers and stuff? Yeah, exactly. Paperwork? Yeah, yeah. They showed me everything. They walked me through everything. They read out, you know, this is what you're entitled to. If you want this, we can give you this. It was very, very professional. And that's why I appreciate it. More professional than the Romanians. Of course, yeah.
I didn't have a clue what was going on. So they actually said, oh, here's your rights.
Here's what you're allowed. Here's what... Bro! Oh, yes. See, I mean, I was kind of enjoying it. I mean, I was like, wow, it's another experience. It's a lovely holiday. Okay, so you go to for questioning. Can you say what they ask you? I don't think for Taliban national security, I should be all there. I understand. But basically, they say, you know, why are you here? You know, typical stuff. Normal stuff. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, I do this type of stuff. And they go...
You know what, your name has come up a few times to be fair. We need to do a more in-detailed investigation. Sorry about this happening to you, but we're going to look after you. You'll have no problems. If you want, we're going to take you out for a meal before you go to a waiting room, basically. We're going to drive to Kabul. We're going to give you one of these armored trucks at the Taliban ride, one of those SUVs, very nice. We're going to take you for a nice restaurant meal beforehand.
So you go out to eat? Yeah, I go out to eat with the people that arrested me. It was lovely stuff. Me and my friends are laughing. We're taking selfies at this point. I tell my friends, you know, something's going up. So, you know, if I don't respond, I'm just in custody. No problem. Like, you know, it's another adventure. And then we go to the main GDI headquarters in Kabul. So it's near the Russian embassy. It's a lovely place. The Russian embassy is staffed?
I think so. Yeah, I think Russian embassy is open. This is a few doors down. Okay. Yeah.
Okay. So,
after the meal they take you to this waiting room when did you know
that you're going to be there for a long time when did you know oh this was not just a routine investigation or routine question yeah so when i'm going to be stuck here for a very long was there a time it clicked or was it day by day like what happened now so oh yeah so when we first got questioned everything i thought you know i'm gonna clear stuff up should be no problem but when they started lining out of things i realized oh you know they suspect something bigger and what though what could you be doing to be fair you joke about this but there are a ton of spies in afghanistan
Yeah, do you think this guy's been here five times? Doesn't make sense to us. We've had some people report you. And also one of my, I hate to see this, but this did happen. One of my best friends during interrogations told them I might be a spy. Bruv! You brought him on holiday! He fucking snitched! I paid for it too. Pussy! I hate that shit!
now i'm mad you really just me over bro you know what the thing is this is and this goes into all the things i say to people i say you can't be rolling with you can't be rolling with you need to know who's on your team you never know how people are going to rap when the pressure turns up oh yeah the greatest thing about me and my team like when i sat with tristan in jail they would have said to me oh tristan told us i could have laughed out loud no way i would have bet my life on it this guy you took him on a holiday and he pussies out and sells you down the river
He just fumbled. You know, I always give people one chance. Now it's gone.
Pussy. Did they even let him out for being a little bitch? Oh yeah. 13 days. My two friends were in, then he went back home. Brov. I was at eight months. Yeah. Oh yeah. So obviously if you hear, Hey, we think he's a spy. And then one of my close friends, my best friends tells the Taliban GDI, Hey, this guy's maybe a spy.
That is unbelievable. That genuinely upsets me. And I don't want to disrupt the flow of this story, but I've talked about at length on my podcast and on emergency meetings about how important it is to make sure that you create your circle. That's why we have the war room. That's why we have certain things they say are the sum of the five people you spend the most time with. And it's amazing how people will change when it's no longer in their benefit. You'd be amazed. Everybody does it. In fact, I would actually argue, and I obviously have no statistics for this, but I know everything because I'm top G. 95% for nearly all law enforcement is based on
people inside the inner circle to rat or flip or lie. That's all they do. They get everyone, you, all your mates, and they just put pressure until someone cracks and lies. That's all they do. That's how law enforcement works in every country, not just Afghanistan and all of them. So you'd be very careful who you're rolling with. So you're taking this guy on a nice holiday and he pussied out and sold you out.
exactly the good thing is he was meant to be my partner in the gold mine guess who has uh his share
He's cut out. You know what? If the goldmine goes forward, it's worth millions, guys. Hundreds of millions. So it's worth it.
So,
They've sold you out.
And the GDI said to you, we think you're a spy. Yeah. So you're going to stay here. We're going to stay here. But you know what, Miles? We think you're maybe not a spy. You know, we need to do some more questioning. It's going to take some time. We really have to comb through your phone, comb through your laptop. Really do our research, because fair enough, that makes sense. But we're going to put you in a nice guest house for now. And you're going to have some staff looking after you. If you need anything, you tell them. But spying for what? What would you be spying on?
That's the thing. They didn't know what. And telling the British what?
I don't know. That's the thing too. I'm not a spy, so I have no idea what goes on. And the thing is too, Andrew, this is what I know about spies, this is what I found out. If you are a spy and you get caught and arrested, most of the time you just admit it. You just admit it. You go, yeah, I'm a spy. And they go, yeah, yeah, no problem. You know, we're not going to cause any problems. You go to the international jail for maybe one or two years. And then you go home. That's usually what happens in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, all these countries. You know, if you are a spy and get caught, you just
what the British are told. Basically, yeah. But I know in Afghanistan they do not do torture. The GDI have been very good with that.
So they think you're a spy. All right. Okay. And you go to this guest house. Yes. And then I guess it's just week on week. It just starts adding up time. Yeah. They're just asking questions. They come with a translator. How often do they question you? Daily. Every day? Every day for a week or two.
Yeah, they say, you know, why did you come here? What'd you do? You know, Miles, we know you were a spy. We found something. Just admit it and then we'll let you go or stuff like that. You know, every single angle you could think of, they pushed out and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. At one point, one of the top commanders came and said, I like you, Miles. I like your social media. You've done some good stuff for us. You told some honest truth. If you just give us a spy document on your laptop, on your hidden drive, we'll just, we'll keep you here. You'll have a cushy life. You'll wait.
what two years you'll go home don't worry about it we just want to see what uh the bridge or the americans or nato want to look at which one look at the details miles and i go sorry i can't give it to you man and at this point they start realizing you know this guy's probably not a spy so when i was in jail my number one concern was i was trying to find and get a compendious concise coherent timeline for my release so i was talking to people saying this is a joke
very much like you, I was accused of something that I didn't do. And I'm like, this is a garbage. How long am I going to be here? What do you need from me for me to go home? Like, were you not asking them, I'm not a spy. I will prove to you any way you want. I'm not a spy. How do I get out of this place? Like, were you asking them a very simple, straightforward question? How do we solve this situation so I can get on a plane? Oh, I was. Yeah. But the thing it was, it was still an investigation. And of course, with such serious charges, they just didn't know. They weren't the
the decision. Some people back at headquarters, they gather the information, like any good court system, and they send it to them and they go through a whole court process and they go guilty. Like any other judicial system. Yeah, basically. They're the investigators. They compose a file. Yeah. Yeah. And they send the file onto a judge. Yeah. They see how strong the evidence is. You please your case, that type of thing. So would you say the Afghani judicial system is fair? I think it's solid. Yeah. Honestly, I had no problems. No, I did commit one crime. I've got
it would be unfair if I lied. I didn't have permits to go to one gold mining site. You have to have permits to go in certain areas because if you're just wandering around mountains,
Taliban thinking of why you're going there. I didn't have that permit. I want to apologize to the Taliban for that. That was my mistake and will happen again. But one crime and obviously the whole spy thing wasn't true. And they found that out after a few meetings. And when they discovered this guy has been coming to Afghanistan, he said some good stuff, some honest stuff about the country. He's made some good videos about it. They love my YouTube video, by the way, one of me shooting guns with the Taliban. So let me reiterate this dead one at home. Anyone who's not been through a judicial process, and I've recently just been through one, the way
separate all the systems to prevent corruption. So what happens is the police officers just have a very simple job, which is to collect evidence and to collect you. They take you, they put you somewhere, they collect evidence that you've done a crime, they put together a file, and then it goes to a judge, which is supposed to be a completely separate branch of the state, who then reviews the evidence and decides if there's enough evidence
to hold you, to charge you, to put you in jail, whatever. And the reason it's separated is so that the police themselves are not the ones who decide you go to jail. The judge doesn't meet you, doesn't know you. He just looks at the evidence, the hard evidence in front of you. Obviously, in corrupt countries,
in some countries, they're very linked, right? So when the police put together a file, the judge is like, well, I trust the police because the police are Afghani, I'm Afghani. He's from wherever, who cares? Jail. That's how it works, typically. And it can work in lots of different countries this way. There's some very rich countries, I'm not gonna say the names of, where you will be surprised how the courts, the judges are working hands in hands with the prosecution to ensure that people are getting destroyed and wrecked
And I don't even have to say the name so the brain understands what I'm talking about here. So your number one concern when you're in a judicial process is, are the judges fair? Are the judges going to review the evidence against me and come to a fair conclusion? Or are they bought, paid for, corrupt, or hands in hands with the prosecution and just instantly going to say I'm guilty just because they can say I'm guilty and they're a judge and no one can do anything about it anyway. But you're saying in your experience, what you truly believe is they investigated you, they composed their file, and it was sent on to a judge.
Afghanistani system under the Taliban is a fair judicial system. Oh, yeah. It's not corrupt. Corruption in a Muslim country is very hard to find in Afghanistan. It's true. It's better than Romania. It's way better than Romania. We're in Romania right now. So I don't want to make any headlines. But I'm flabbergasted and I'll tell you why. Oh, yeah. I'm flabbergasted because that's the primary concern, right? And the fact that they have such a separated system, and obviously under Islamic law, corruption is against the rules, of course.
within the tribalism of humanity. That's reality. When they are Afghani as a judge and the prosecutor or the police officer is Afghani and you are a foreigner, especially based on, I don't know, the fact that Kabul just fell and the very interesting history of Afghanistan, it'd be very easy for them to just assume the worst or perhaps look at some evidence, which isn't that damning and make a mountain out of a molehill. It's very easy. But you're saying it was actually very, you believe they were doing a very fair job, which impresses me. And I'll tell you why. I was having a conversation with one of my friends the other day.
and he was talking about a judicial process he's going through and he was saying, I don't know where I can get a free shot anymore.
I don't believe in the American judicial system. Look what they're doing to Trump. I don't believe in the British judicial system. Look at some of the decisions they make. If you're an enemy of the state or if the media don't like you or if the public don't like you, they will screw you over regardless of how innocent you are. And the judge is bought and paid for based on public opinion. And he's directly going to do exactly what the prosecutor wants. And he was trying to go through and name countries to me and explain to me how difficult it is to have a free and fair judicial system. He was explaining to me that the French system's a complete mess. The Spanish system's a complete mess.
Japanese system is one of the worst. They have a 99.8% conviction rate. You do not have a 99.8% conviction rate without putting innocent people in jail. If a prosecutor says you might have done something in Japan, the court says you did it, you're going to jail. Done. You're not going to win in court. It's over. So you're saying...
that you get a fair shot in Afghanistan. So if you're in Afghanistan and you do something wrong, you get a fair chance. Exactly, yes.
That's good to know. I wish you told me this before. I had this conversation like a week ago and I was saying, bro, I don't know where's fair. I didn't invite you. I didn't invite you. It didn't cross my mind. It didn't cross my mind. Afghanistan. I should have known. See, every time I tell someone to have a holiday in Afghanistan, they laugh. But look at me. I enjoyed myself and I was treated fairly. No problem. So the basic story is you spent eight months in a guest house while they investigated. Yes, man. Correlated evidence. Yes. Put it in front of a judge. Yes. And the judge decided you weren't a spy. Yes.
No, I want to spy. The only thing is I didn't have a permit. Very small crime. Most of the time, they were just laughing at it. They were like, you know, you're not familiar with our rules. These guys spoke English? Yeah, yeah. They had one guy, fluent English translator. The other top commanders spoke conversational English. Very good men. Very good men. They spoke like eight languages. Some of them were actually doctors. So some of them were PhDs. Maybe pulled the same trick you did. But honestly, they were solid. And it got to the point where they found me interesting. And they
So I was having picnics with the Taliban intelligence, with the Taliban commanders, with some of the ministers in Afghanistan. At this point, it was just one big networking event for me. And I rather enjoy it. That's me in Taliban prison right there. Good stuff. I'm smiling. Everyone thinks I'm being beaten. I'm being tortured. They think, oh, I'm regretting my situation. I'm smiling ear to ear right there.
Describe if you will, Afghanistani jail to me. So you're in this guest house. So it's not the normal jail. No, no. So did you see the normal jail? No, no. So this is for the small criminals, the people who may have made a small mistake or something genuine, something that hasn't directly hurt someone or isn't a huge security risk to Afghans are like a spy or a terrorist. So this jail is just a normal guest house being converted. There were eight Taliban people. Now,
their guests, you know, if I needed something, I asked them through Google Translate or through the Pashto that I know, and they would get it for me 100% of the time. If I wanted, you know, a movie downloaded, I would give them Temash Ghani or they would pay and they would go to the market and get it for me. They went to extreme lengths to get exactly what I wanted. And he did it for the other people too that were there. It was a normal house. Of course, sometimes I was
with the guys, that was good.
So it was like, it was like a full on holiday. If anything, I was kind of smiling to myself, thinking I'm a lucky shit right here. I'm enjoying myself. Bro, I spent 24 hours a day in lockdown in a room smaller than the lockdown studio. For something you didn't do as well. For something I didn't do with cockroaches. And you're telling me you were in a house and was allowed to go to the market. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Seriously, I had my laptop with me. So with the Taliban, I was watching Titanic and Rambo. I was watching Rambo 3 in Afghanistan. If someone were to say to me before this story, Andrew, would you rather go to Taliban jail
But I was 24 hours a day locked down in a room. I did not get to leave. I did not go outside. We had an infestation of cockroaches. And I sat there killing bugs for 24 hours a day for 93 days.
I didn't see sunlight unless I was being marched to court in handcuffs.
And you're telling me you got to go to the market. You got movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got movies. I had music. I in my... Why have I been sold? I can't believe this. I invited you on holiday and you said no. These are the consequences of your actions. You invited me, but you know what? If I would have gone, it's a good thing. Allah's the best of planners. Because if I would have gone,
and whoever your little fucking friends are would have sold me out, they'd have a bigger hell to pay than any jail. Of course. Because I'm top G. I'm not having that. So they're lucky I didn't fucking go. Whoever those little pussies are. Say their names. Oh, no, I won't. Trust me. You're a nicer man than me because I would have them done. So it's a good thing I didn't go because if those little pussies fucking rat, I don't like rats. I don't like that. So it's a good thing I didn't go. But I can't believe I went through the jail experience. And in jail with my brother, him and I,
discussing all the scenarios in which
we would rather be in Romanian jail than somewhere else. So we said, well, this is terrible. The food is bad. It's freezing cold. And there's bed bugs and we're getting bitten. And this is bad. But at least we're not on a U-boat, which has just been hit with a depth charge. Or at least we're not in a trench getting shelled in World War II. And I think maybe at some point we probably talked about, well, there's probably worse jails than this one. This one's terrible, but there must be worse ones.
the Taliban jail was 1000 times better than what I went through. Absolutely.
Like I said, it was a lovely holiday. You know, I could have escaped, Andrew. Because it was a normal guest house. You could have escaped, but because of respect to them. Yeah, exactly. And to be honest, I was like, I'm kind of enjoying this. I'm kind of enjoying this. You know what's funny about jail?
Obviously, at some point, you always consider escape. Yeah, always. Because you're sitting there like, how could I get out of this? Because you have all the time in the world and you're trapped. And you ultimately come to the conclusion that nearly any jail, whether it's American, Romanian, Taliban, and Turkish, your name of country, Japanese, anything. The way you can get out is to betray the trust of people who are nice to you. Of course. That's the only way out. The only way out is to have someone who's nice to you and you be a piece of shit and betray them. And I respect what you say because I'm the same. I was sitting there going, there's no way I could, not that I'd ever break out because I'm innocent.
the only way I could get out of here is to betray the people who are nice to me and as a person I can't do that I'm not that guy I'm not gonna hit someone or do something bad to people who are nice to me and I have two two kind of heart to do it yeah exactly and plus they would get in hot shit too long yeah I have two kind of heart I like I'll just stay in jail like I'd rather stay in jail than side swipe the one person who's nice to me I can't do that so I understand that so I
eight months in jail during those eight months you were just chilling watching movies you had a bed oh yeah i had this house oh yeah i i got a nice bed as well really cushy you know good stuff uh at one point because i was arrested with a thousand dollars anything you're arrested with apart from a phone let's say you're allowed to have so of course they gave me that thousand dollars to keep your money oh yeah yeah i didn't keep i didn't get to keep my shoelaces yes
I didn't get nothing because three dudes killed themselves. The first week I was in there, three dudes killed themselves and they ran in our cells and took everything. Shoelaces. I had a little bottle of Tabasco to hide the taste of the food. I wasn't allowed glass anymore. No exercise band, no sheets on my bed. A guy hung himself with sheets. I had nothing.
I feel shortchanged. I am furious.
I had everything. I love flexing this. It's a good story. I had $1,000. So at one point I renovated the room.
You know what? Because it was, it was Afghan style and I wanted to stay in like, you know, a Western style hotel. So new carpets, painted the walls, a nice color, new lighting too. I had tons of movies. I downloaded some music. I had my Bible. They were really fine with me doing anything. No problem with the Bible? No, no problem. They said, Hey, you're our guest right here in our country. Even if you've created a small issue for yourself, you're, you're Christian. This is no
that because they respect the diversity of people if you come as a guest and now if you start preaching to them obviously that might be a problem but look at look at those photos right there andrew look i was given a ring a triple emerald ring by one of the commanders because he liked me so much he said yeah take some photos if you want uh they they said they encouraged me to write my book they said be brutally honest i uh i did the whole bold look right there so i look like the american x guy you know yeah look i had a hat look look at that window right there wide
I could run down. I knew exactly where I was. I could be out of that country within two days, but no, I was enjoying my holiday. Who else is in this jail? So I can't say exactly the nationalities, but there was one guy and I can't tell you about this guy. This guy's fucking hilarious. I'm surprised they treated him so well.
So I won't say the nationality, but you can guess from the, from the accent. So when I was in the holding cell, this guy got brought in. So he's, he's what, like six foot four black dude. And he goes, fuck man, what am I doing here? Fuck. You know, he starts freaking out. Where's he from? I can't say. Can't say. But you can imagine. He's Western? Yeah, yeah. You can imagine. You can imagine. What's the most entitled country in the world in the West? Understood. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So we, so I go, oh, hey, mate, what are you doing? You know, what are you in for? He goes, what are you doing here? Fuck why people? I'm a fucking terrorist. I'm joining ISIS.
join Daesh. So I'm like, what the fuck? This guy starts shouting at people, the Taliban come in, like, Hey man, calm down. And he goes, no, I'm Muslim too. He's like, yeah, that's great, man. But he can't shout at the other detainees. He assaults the Taliban and they, you know, strain him and take him to the guest house as well. Put him in like a little isolated cell. This guy's a full on schizophrenic. And I speak to him a few times throughout my stay. He's fucking insane, but it's kind of funny. He believes he's had a chip implanted in his,
of his dick and in his brain by Joe Biden. I hate when that happens. Yeah, it happens to the best of us, man. I removed mine last week, you know. Yeah, yeah. So he believes Joe Biden is speaking to him through satellites. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he also believes he is a big leader of ISIS. He also believes he's founded, what was it, Al-Qaeda, and he also founded, what was it, Al-Shabaab, the Somalian terrorist. So he believes he's part of this big network
I find his Facebook at one point when I get out, by the way, complete crap show. I think he's either the worst US asset in the world or he's just completely insane. Oh, that's me. Yeah, I was. Wait, let me show this to the people. I didn't have a gym. I wasn't allowed dumbbells because I might kill myself. But obviously here you've got to work out. Yeah, man, I got to work out. No problem. I had to do a thousand pushups a day. I wasn't allowed weights.
See, they don't let you look after your health in Romanian prison.
No, I'm still in the Romanian judicial system. So I'd be very careful what I say, but I was not allowed wait. So let's leave it at that gym. There's no exercise. Yeah. I don't like to see that. You know, I was, I think I was in the best health in Taliban prison because there was no processed sugar that I bought. The food was solid. The food was really good. If anyone has ever been to Central Asia or the Middle East, you can attest to the food being amazing. I kind of, I kind of miss it.
Speaker 1: This is schizophrenic. Is there anyone else in there who's like you been caught up and had some pussy ass friends who sold them out? Speaker 2: Yeah, there was, there was one guy as well. He was from a neighboring country in Afghanistan. He was actually a spy. So I met quite a few genuine spies there. It wasn't the GDI being paranoid. They had good reason to suspect spies were in the country. Sometimes I'll be walking around the house and a new guy would arrive and he would walk up to me and go, Hey, I'm CIA.
I'm like, what the fuck? And he would go, yeah, yeah. So you're, um, you're British, right? So you're with your guys. Hey, what's the plan? Do you, have you heard anything from the outside? I'm like, Hey, I'm not in your fucking world, man. All right. But yeah, I heard from the outside. It's a good question though. How did you, did anyone know you were safe? How did you contact anyone? Did you speak to anyone? Were you allowed a phone call? How did it work? I had monthly phone calls. I could call my MC anytime I wanted. Like it was in Doha. So I could call them. I was allowed to supervise calls to my people. So I could call my friends. How often could you call your friends? As much as I wanted really, as long as there was a good reason for it, as long as it wasn't just,
empty chips, sort out my affairs. Usually I would do once every two weeks. But if I wanted to push, I could do it once every few days. Speaker 1:
Thank you.
It was good, man. It was a real good time. And then, and to conclude this story, and I'm going to go on to some general questions about Afghanistan. Yes, mate. So...
How do you go home? What happens? The police, how did you, did you know in advance you were going to go home? Did it come out of nowhere? Came out of nowhere. Bro, me, it came out of nowhere. It was 10, 1030 at night.
And I was sitting there
staring at the wall i'd been to court i think the day before or the day and every time i've been to court i've been absolutely wrecked and decimated and i was just sitting there staring at the wall and uh i still had hope because i'm a fool so every time i got declined it would be a huge mental destruction whereas my brother he had no hope from the beginning the second we went to jail day one he said this andrew
I love you. I love you too. He goes, this is a matrix attack. I was like, yeah. He goes, you know how the matrix works, don't you? I was like, yeah. We ain't getting out. So I was like, shit. Okay. And even after court, when we were waiting for our decision to go home, my brother had so little faith and so little nerves. He'd just go straight to sleep. Didn't even care to take a nap. We'd finish in court and he'd go, and we'd be waiting for the answer because the answer came on a piece of paper through the door. They just slide it through saying yes or no. And I'd be sitting there staring at the door just to be like,
Andrew.
It's a matrix attack. What are you waiting by the door for? And just take a nap and just sleep. So every time he'd sleep, because for court, you had to be up early, so you're retired. And like this time he was asleep and we got the piece of paper saying yes. And I'm like, Tristan, we're going home. We're going home. And he goes, he wakes up, kind of goes.
what what no he wasn't even he wasn't even happy he said he was just going to today i was like yeah i think we get to go today he's like oh all right all right i'll pack then he didn't even care my brother's tapped so he didn't my brother didn't care yeah but i was i was a stag i used all my last mouthwash my mouthwash was rationed and i was so bored in jail that mouthwash was like an experience it was like something yeah yeah like something to do for the senses i'd allow
for like an hour. I'd play with his mouthwash. I had like half a bottle left. I was like, I used all the mouthwash. It's a small thing, you know? Oh, it was incredible. But yeah, my brother didn't care. So for you, it was the same. It came out of absolute nowhere. They gave me an hour. They said, Miles, you're going somewhere an hour. Did they tell you why they decided to let you go? Like, what did they say? After a while, they said, hey, Miles, we gave you the minimum sentence of six months because we think you're a top guy. We actually like you. I was like, oh, the Taliban like me. Lovely stuff.
here for British. It took a little bit longer. And because we wanted you to be released with the other British people who were actually convicted, being spies, by the way, they came with me. So they said, okay, Mars, it's been eight months, very sorry about this, but you're going home now. And I just said, you know what?
the taliban guys here's some money go and buy some pizzas go and buy some uh food we're gonna have it we're gonna have a feast right now we're gonna have a party we got a good time we're gonna watch a movie i think we watched uh black hawk down which was one of the taliban favorites had a pashtu version by the way it was good stuff we had like a little celebration everyone was cheering uh i i think i was supplying everyone's nicotine uh you know addiction bro in jail so was i i use all my commissary on cigarettes and they would trade cigarettes for home-cooked food exactly that
wasn't it? Yeah, exactly. I use all my money on cigarettes. So I basically, I gave some rest of my money to some guys I liked. I said, you know, I'll spend it wisely. I might be back in a little bit. This might not be the end. I might not be released, but we'll see. We'll see. And I went to the Taliban at this point. And one of my friends, one of the commanders, I can't say his name, but it's a lovely bloke. And I know he's watching this. So thank you, Commander. And he sat down, we had a feast as well. All my favorite foods, which he remembered from our first conversation,
said, you know what, Miles, I'm very sorry about this situation, but you're going home now. I pray that you come back, you know, inshallah. Here's some food, enjoy yourself. Have a good nap. Were you going early in the morning? How's it been? You know, any feedback? You know, we always look to improve the situation. We want to create diplomatic ties over the country. And I say, I'm coming back in three weeks, mate. Lovely holiday. Yeah. And I'm so optimistic about it. I think he thinks I'm lying. He's like, nah, this guy isn't coming back. And I just grabbed him by the shoulder. I'm like,
I am coming back, my friend. I am coming back. I'm doing big business in your country. You're going to help me. We're going to have a good situation. We're going to have a good time. And they drove you to the airport? Yeah, drove me to the airport. Armored convoy, by the way. So I think I'm a... Blues and twos. Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, this is lovely. And you know what the Taliban do? They have very strong laser pointers. So they're just shooting the laser pointers at other cars just to get them the other way. Yeah, it's kind of fun because they're trying to hit the driver. So it's like a game to them. Small things like that. I just...
they're just lads you know they're just lads yeah i get that yeah yeah i get that i mean just boys goofing off boys goofing good boys going off and it's kind of funny at the fall of kabul i remember seeing loads of memes on twitter when it showed like all the taliban like charging at the at the previously held american fortifications imagine you and your boys just picking up ak's and just they're goofing off yeah exactly charging like a friday night out that's right yeah yeah so um
It was a commercial flight or was it a military flight? How did you leave? It was a commercial flight. To where? To Dubai again. So it was the second time I got deported to Dubai, technically. And the other times I've been to Dubai, I had food poisoning. So the Dubai staff know me at this point. They know me by name. And then I had the British Foreign Office. God bless them. They met me there. They said, you know, I hope you will, Miles. Are you OK? I go, yeah, lovely holiday, lads. Lovely to get away from it all. I'll be back in Kabul in three weeks.
He's not going to stop. You know, they're sick of me. Are you actually going back to Kabul? Oh, yeah, yeah. Three weeks. I promised the commander first month and I keep my promises. I'm going back. I'm going to do some business. I'm going. Oh, he invited me to Tora Bora. Do you know Tora Bora?
No. Yeah. So do you know where bin Laden stayed in those caves before he went to Pakistan? Yeah. That's Tora Bora. So the Taliban said, Hey, Miles, we like YouTube videos. Do you want to make one? Okay. All right. All right. So I've got a bunch of questions, but I don't want to be egotistical, but let me start with this one. Did the Taliban know who I am? Yeah. Yeah. They, they know who you are. They know who you are. Do you remember that book you signed for me? One of my books? Yeah. The top G here, he kindly signed it for me. I brought you with me to Afghanistan. They opened it up whilst interviewing me. And he said,
Who is this? I say, oh, that's, it says right there, Andrew Tate. They say, the top G? And I go, yeah, the top G. You know the top G? And they were like, yes, my friend, you got this book signed by him. I'm like, mate, he's my acquaintance. I met him a few times. Lovely chap. You know the top G? And I was like, absolutely, man. Check my WhatsApp right here. He's right here. And they were like, oh,
Whoa, can you tell him I said hi? So I'm like, yeah. So Iqbal says hi, mate. Iqbal says hi. Hey, G. So if I come to Afghanistan,
I'll be fine. I think you'll be fine, man. You haven't got bad intentions. None. Why would I have bad intentions? Exactly. He's a pure guy. If you come to Afghanistan, they will treat you like a prince. I guarantee it. Way better than Romania. I know you can't say anything about that, but I can. Fuck Romanian. Fuck the government. The Taliban government will absolutely look after you. I think at one point, if you want to buy a house there, you have no problems. I think the tax rate's a lot more favorable. The tax rate's probably pretty low. Yeah, it's pretty decent, man.
see you stay at your house yeah absolutely man they go look after you they'll treat you like guests they'll treat you out for a lovely meal take some photos they'll give you a tour they always encourage tourism and business in afghanistan the only issue is the western media the whole matrix is attacking the system attacks them yeah they don't want them to have nice things i understand the taliban the matrix attacks and they lie they lie about me in the paper all day long you look at the news and it says oh afghanistan's the hardest place to do business i went there it
here you go, man. Same day stuff. It was very, very straightforward. Okay. So now that you've faced these life and death situations, how do you view the everyday challenges that most people in the West complain about? Like, what do you think the average- Oh, they're bitches. Absolutely. The average person, the average Westerner. I mean, you saw all your friends rolled on you.
which is which is genuinely upset me but how do you think the average westerner can would handle your situation the average person oh they'll be crying and shaking you know they would be telling uh the afghans oh i'm not don't belong here f off you know they would be disrespectful they wouldn't understand how to play the situation into their favor with me i thought this is great i get to make some friends i get to network i'm still set on the business so this is like great time um i think most of them which my friends went they were staying with me they were crying on my shoulder
there, there mate. Don't worry about your girlfriend. You must have been, you must have been concerned at some point. No, no, no, no. Didn't cross your mind. No, absolutely not. No, I was like, they're my friends. No problem.
i was like yeah i'm gonna have a good time here what was the most surprising thing you learned about yourself during the ordeal oh i'm too addicted to the internet man i remember when i had my phone my laptop taken away from me so the first three weeks i didn't have my laptop or any electronics so every few seconds i would reach and i go where's my phone i did that i did that for weeks for weeks i was like
I don't have a phone. Why am I? Yeah, I just didn't know what to do. And time went so slowly like that, didn't it? But you got your phone back after three weeks? No, no. So it was my laptop. So I phoned an issue. You got a laptop? Yeah, yeah. My laptop. Yeah. So I made a deal with him. I said, hey, I'll tell you where my laptop is in Kabul. It's with my friend. But if you find nothing on my laptop, can I have my laptop? And he said, hey, we don't need to make this deal. Honestly, you allowed your stuff. As long as it's not a phone, you can use your stuff for entertainment. If you have your money, you can have it. If you have books, you can have it.
after you. Like we've looked at to all the other people and I saw it, they did some good work. I had my laptop and I thought, this is amazing. And he said, you know what, Miles, um, I'm
We won't tell you what to write. We're not going to ever check your laptop, which you didn't, by the way, which is great. But just...
write your second book, watch some movies. Here's a copy of the Krant if you want, but we understand you're a firm Catholic. That's no problem with us, but we always encourage people to look at our religion. Just honestly, if you need something for us, we can get it for you from the markets. I go, well, thank you very much, which is a tashukul manana, means thank you very much in Pashto. And one word I would always say was moshikinishita, which means no problem. When the house commander would come and check everyone else out and check their needs,
hey, do you need more toothpaste? Do you need new soap? You know, people would always bitch and moan to this guy. They would grab him and go, oh, I really need this. I really need to go. I'm innocent, man. But clearly I knew they weren't. They were lying through their teeth. The house commander would come to me and go, what do you need, man? I go, no, no, nothing. Mushkin ishda. You know, come back next week, man. I'm good. And he would always laugh because I was the only one saying, hey, I'm having a good situation. And everyone else had the same conditions as me too.
I'm asking for the sake of the audience. Do you think your mental resilience comes from a place of constructive...
Do you think you've built a certain mindset? Do you think it's a realistic mindset you have, or do you think you're just blessed from God? I'm delusional. I'm delusional. I'm delusional optimistic and narcissistic to that point. Absolutely. You must be delusional optimistic. Obviously, but here's the thing too. You know this too. Sometimes if you play a part and really push it and just act with sheer confidence, it works out in the end. That is true, but that's an extreme situation to play that part. I don't think it was extreme for me, popping down to Afghanistan is like popping down to Tesco's or Walmart. For me, it's nothing. It's
everyone when they hear the word afghanistan they hear that scary music and they go oh well shiver my timbers afghanistan that that's like you you step off you step off your head explodes
because there's very few people who have a story which like i said can impress me and that's one of the things i actually and i think i made a video about this a few years ago
It's kind of interesting with a life like mine. I don't want to come across narcissistic or arrogant, but I've come from the absolute bottom echelon of society. Now I'm at the highest echelon of society. Because you earned it. Because I earned it. The highest echelon of masculine performance. And I have hundreds of millions of dollars and I'm famous and blah, blah, blah. And I was a professional fighter and I made out the ghetto. I did all these things and everyone recognizes me now, et cetera, et cetera. So when I meet normal people, I have to kind of dumb my stories down. Last time this happened, I think it was Christmas a few years ago, a guy who I went to school with,
16 years 16 a long time and he's like oh tate you're in england let's meet up i was like yeah cool we met up and he's sitting there and he's telling me about his life and i want to be very polite to the man i don't want to insult the man yeah i know him right but i'm sitting there going so what you been up to he's like oh yeah i got this job and no work in the city and he's telling me the crazy time he went to spain once and this crazy party and they spent two thousand dollars and i'm just sitting there like yeah bro cool and i can't tell anything about my life like he's
I can't sit there and say, I've got you a week, G. I can't, I don't insult him. So I have to very much say almost nothing. But you have stories which rival mine, perhaps surpass. So I'm trying to learn. So what mindset tips, like there must've been something, I learned a bunch in jail, but your jail sounds in a way easier than mine. But surely, surely there must've been the consequence. Like I know the Romanians probably won't chop my head off. So you must've had
some concerns at some point there must be some mindset tips or is it just pure delusional optimism delusional optimism 100 i'm just my brain somewhere else man you know what happens well when they came in and interviewed me every single time when they came in i said oh welcome to my office please take a seat they would chuckle with us because it's just this grand confidence and in the end from that they learned hey you do business i go yeah yeah and i started pitching to
can they pass it on, they go, you know, this guy's onto something, he, you know, he can make something out of that, out of this situation in our country.
we want he seems all right i mean it got to the point where this guy's making a lot of sense that we want to invite him back so i could have been in a situation where i just sit in the corner chattering at my nails you know crying a little bit shouting at them disrespecting them like a lot of people did which which yeah it's stupid you know you need to keep a level head with these things i agree with that and you need to be optimistic i agree with that also but as a hyper professional you need to consider all scenarios and you need to have a plan for all scenarios you need to try and plot the future and you must have considered i'm never going to make
Truly, none of that crossed your mind. No, no. I have friends in England where if something goes wrong, something will be sorted out for me. I have a lot of strong contacts. The whole thing is with my travels, it's a very goofy front, but you must understand, I briefly worked in investment banking, which is a very hard field to get into. You have to be somewhat competent. I agree, but I don't think investment bankers can save you from the Taliban. Of course not, no. But I had things in place. I am very, very, very, very, how do you put it?
i always want to plan i have five different plans if something goes wrong yeah i had i had five different contingency plans so when i didn't uh stop an email sending out for a few days mike is my contingency plan the pdf got sent automatically to a few friends saying this is how you sort out my affairs it's how you log into my social media this is what you say this is type of stuff you do know i was trying to get you out don't you oh you were oh you're my top bro i've got and i'll
was associated with the afghanistan government saying what's happened to this guy i know him personally i can vouch for him personally what will it cost to get him out you do know i was trying to get you free oh thank you man but to be honest i kind of i'm glad i stayed that long because i think it was a perfect amount of time i really got a good story out of it otherwise the book would just be a bit boring if that makes sense the story would just be like oh i went in took an l got nothing out of it and then lost some time no the story was now i went in and
I made a bad situation great and I came out with a viable business, an amazing story and a lot of friends. Because I like to extrapolate lessons from everything. Yes, of course. Because that's how I work. Let's extrapolate a lesson from this. And the lesson we're going to extrapolate is the fact that these people who you were supposed to do business with and make money with went there, sold you out and put you in an unfavorable position. Yes. And me, someone who you had met for one hour once in your life ever. Was trying to get me out. Was trying to save you. Which shows you need to know important people and you need to have high value people around you, which makes it extremely important.
I know guys and they say, oh, he's my friend. And I say, well, he's a loser. Oh, but he's funny, but he's useless.
Why are you talking to this person? The best, at his most competent, he can hurt you. He can't help you ever. Why are you talking to him? None of my friends are useless. None. And I was sitting there actively trying to get you out. And your friends who sold you out were just what? Living in England, not giving a shit? Oh, no. Yeah, they were having some calls with me occasionally. But he won't do anything. And here's the thing too. They had a lot of opportunities, but they did nothing. They did nothing. Sounds like white boy shit. Yeah, white boy stuff. Of course. They had no balls. That makes sense. Yeah. We don't work that way.
Unbelievable. So I've got a few more questions for you. I have to ask who's tweeting on your account.
It was a friend of mine. I can't say who, but a very close friend. And what about your views on family and God and tradition? Like surely they were, were they, did they have any strong traditions or is there anything about them you witnessed that you admired or did anything evolve with your time there? Did you see how their society functions? Because I know absolutely nothing until my visit, cause I'm going to come see the Taliban one day, but I'm assuming, and of course, like I said, I'm a professional and as a professional, I just know life generally. I don't have any studies to back this up, but assuming with a
the
Although people are afraid of it, of course, people respect it, as you've just described. I guess family is a huge part of retaining social cohesion, right? Yes, they've got a lot of autonomy in their area, and the social unit is very important to them, Andrew. The thing is, they have very big families that carry on for generations, and they always live underneath one roof, looking after one another, having each other's back. And there's that strong societal trust that you just don't get in the West, which I really do respect.
who they asked me, why was in England? And why, why do we not have a England, England, England, and that's what we call it in Pashto, England, I believe.
they would say, you know, why do you have one child, two child? This is crazy for us. You know, most people have seven children. I was like, I agree with that. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I want seven or eight children. I want them to explore the stars in the future generations. Yeah. Having one or two kids is a disgrace to your brother. Of course. Yeah. You got to at least have seven kids. So I agree with them on that. Me and the Taller bros have a lot in common. Exactly. I would love to see a podcast between you two. I would absolutely love that. Oh yeah. So you don't, you don't, you don't have a single experience or a single day where you were afraid.
Yeah, you know what? It was a punishment. I did. I did make, I did make a small mistake. And I apologize to that. And you know, I felt sad, but they always picked me up. If they said, they said, Miles, you okay, man? I was like, you know, Moshkin Nish, they're like, no, no, Miles, do you want a movie? You want some ice cream? You'll be good, man. And the same with the other people too. The only problem is they really abused it. They were like, yeah, give me, give me 10 cigars. Give me, give me ice cream. Give me a pizza. And the guys were like, yeah, you're sad every day. That will, yeah. And what do the Taliban think of the West?
us? Did they comment on us and our society or anything? What do they think of us? They like the everyday person, but not the soldiers, not the government. You know what I mean? They don't hate the American people. They just hate the American government. They don't like Joe Biden. They like Trump a little bit too. They like Trump? A little bit, yeah, because he ended the war in Afghanistan and spoke out about it too. You know, they have mixed feelings about him. There's always some different things. They're trying to figure out the geopolitical situation themselves. They're trying to build relations right now because before they've just kept themselves isolated.
no real problem with the general person they just don't like the government no you're allowed to come to afghanistan as a guest as long as you do nothing dodgy they'll have no problems with you they treat you as a guest your tourism is fully enforced if you want to create business there they're more than happy for it as long as it's done properly okay so they have no negative views of the west did they say anything about our politics or about like the the gender crap or yeah yeah they're like why do women dress like whores man i was like yeah i i kind of relate you know uh i was like one struggle brother i'm catholic i don't like this whole thing where
the Taliban. Yeah, you absolutely can. You absolutely can. But the, the matrix, they just want you to say, oh no, they're, they're treating, they're mistreating everyone. No, they're not. Things are pretty well there. If you speak to the average Afghan, they say things are good. You can't find one article out there where one Afghan says a good thing because of course the Western media do not report on it. Yeah. I've spoken to Afghans who are living in London. So they have no pressures to say good things. And they, they pulled me aside and said, you know,
I kind of can relate. You know what? They're still figuring things out. Of course, they're not up to our Western ideological standards. But
20 years ago, they were smashing TVs, you know, saying TVs are evil, but now they're all on TikTok. So they're kind of coming because they know me TikTok. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think they come across you a few times. They've seen our videos too, that we did together. Oh yeah. So you know what? I, obviously they're not up to our Western standards and they're never going to be because it's a whole different ideology, but they're going more and more towards us. They, you know, they're relating, there's more common ground. You know, I think, I think we give them some support. I think we give them some direction. We help them out with
made like we should have done and they could become a really great country do you believe the taliban are now currently in talks with let's say the british and american government and like on a in a civil
open discourse or no no it's very it's very limited very very limited i do know there was meant to be a meeting between mi6 and the afghanistan um uh government yeah yes but uh pakistan isi that's a pakistan intelligence called the british up and said hey bad security situation which is mostly a lie uh the taliban have the security up uh 100 if you go to afghanistan you you feel very safe because there's soldiers everywhere they're trolling the place keeping
And then the meeting got canceled. So the Afghans are trying to reach out, create diplomatic relations. But, you know, there's other forces kind of trying to push against them and they're trying to push forward. You know how it is with a new country. They have to make a name for themselves. They have to be useful. But last few questions for you. Did you see like homeless people, hungry people or people struggling there? And people must be struggling. I have to admit, people are struggling. The situation is not good. But you know what I see the Taliban doing?
and they give it to people. If you see someone hungry, they will always be someone that comes around a few minutes later and gives them food and gives them shelter and gives them something. And that's a perfect way for me to go into what I do with Tate Pledge because we try our best to feed people. And I think that that's one of the most basic
things you can do. It's very tangible. When you give somebody who is hungry a meal, it's very tangible and easy to feel. A lot of these NGOs and charities, they want to turn up and put up banners and talk garbage, but that doesn't help anybody. When someone is hungry, they need food. So I'm going to quickly show a tape pledge video. Then we're going to have a little Q&A. And uh,
Bro, I'm glad you're out. Let's put it that way. And I'm a little bit jealous of your jail. I genuinely believe there's no better karmic bonus to life than feeding starving kids. Kids who can't eat, get a meal with your neighbor.
Most beloved deed to Allah is to fill the stomach of the hungry to help those that are facing times of difficulty. And we're here in a very remote village that is very impoverished and filled with orphans and needy women. Alhamdulillah providing maybe one of the only hot meals they get throughout the year. And this was made possible thanks to the generous donation of Andrew and Tristan Tate with the War Room. So may Allah reward you guys and bless you guys for your generous support today. It's such an honor to be able to bring smiles to all these beautiful faces.
Thank you.
so we have a whole bunch of uh other stuff we could show we have pictures we have videos we have incredible stuff but you know what here's your twitter account i'm going to show everyone and if they can't read it there what is it it is uh it's at real lord miles if you just search lord miles i will definitely be at the top i recommend everybody follow this guy on twitter because uh it sounds like you have some stories and you're going to be going back there and you've also showed me some other stuff you've done which i you keep telling me is fine to show but i refuse to show because i'm telling you the matrix is going to wreck you my friend so we're not going
brave man and uh i have to commend your mental state perhaps you call it delusional optimism but it worked and i believe in absolutely the ends justify the means and if it paid off then all's well that ends well i'm very glad you're here and what do you have coming up next what are your future adventures for everyone to follow you on twitter and everywhere everywhere if you can think of a dangerous place in the world i want to go there uh north central island that's my end game it's the most dangerous island of the world with the second dangerous being england of course
natives that are hostile to the outside world. No one has ever... They're actually going to go there? Yeah, yeah, 100%. I've been researching it for two years. Some people went there in the 80s, they got killed. Yeah, yeah, but they're not me.
They're not me, man. You're just going to smile your way through it. No, no. I have a grand plan, but I can't reveal it. I can't reveal it. Darien Gap 2. So that's 50 miles of narco kind of territory between Colombia and Panama. One of the most dangerous jungles of the world. 20% of people who enter do not come out alive. There's literally skulls on spikes around there. I went to Snake Island 2. Actually, the second most dangerous island of the world. Per one square foot, there's one snake. If you get bitten by it, your organs liquefy. Your heart stops. Yeah, I went there.
first ever tourist to survive. I wore a suit of medieval armor. So snakes can't buy through armor. So I walked around like a little can, you know, just...
Next time I'll get through this. Been to the front lines of Ukraine a few times. I got bored around Christmas time, so I popped down there. Every single war zone in the last two years, I have been to. Also, when Iran had issues with Afghanistan, I heard about the news through my Tali bros, my good friends. And I begged the Taliban commander. I said, please, man, let me go there under a supervised visit. I will film for you. But of course, I was in custody. He said no, respectfully. Okay. I don't want to be morbid, but if something does happen to you, is there anything you want me to do?
Oh, you know what? Have a drink. Are you sure nothing's going to happen to you? No, I'm not sure. But that's the adventure of it, isn't it? I mean, if I was sure nothing was going to happen, it's gonna be very boring, you know, but it's within my risk tolerance. And it's paid off. I've got every single news article out there laughing at me saying, Oh, you know, he's stupid. He's got himself in custody. No, no, I've I'm getting paid more than free investment bankers combined. I have my own business. I have tons of friends. I'm meeting lovely lads like yourself
people every single week i'm enjoying this life i will do this until i die and to be honest because of god has a great sense of humor i think i'm gonna one day die at the age of 110 by slipping on a banana peel i just see it happening you know well it's it's certainly the british spirit because the british conquered the entire world by doing extremely dangerous things and going to very dangerous places that's what made britain the empire it was you are certainly perhaps a throwback
Who cares? It might be dangerous. It'll be fine, old chap.
bring the tobacco and let's go. Absolutely. I want one of those pit pats. Yeah, you're as English as it gets. Yeah. And I respect bravery in a man. So I have to give you respect. Oh, thank you, man. I respect you for... Because...
Some of these adventures, I mean, the Taliban, maybe the snakes. Rob, I don't see any fun about it. You can't talk your way out of snakes. Not easy. What happened was as well, just quick, quick story here. I got radio from my friend who's waiting on the boat because it's a far off land. Turns out the Brazilian Navy, the Coast Guard, noticed the boat and they set a course for our direction. And of course, in about 20 minutes, they would be here. I would get what 10 years in prison, 80K fine in a Brazilian jail.
Hell no. And of course, because I was wearing what 45 kilograms of clunky armor of a large. Do you have pictures of this? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Tweet one. I will do. Everyone tune into his Twitter. We have to see this. Good stuff, man. Lord Miles on Twitter. I stripped the armor at the peak of the island and I ran down because it's the only way I can get back down in time. And I just didn't get bit. I basically YOLO'd my life. And somehow through delusional optimism, I refused to die despite my best efforts.
You sound a lot like me. I say the same things, but I have to give you credit. Honestly, thank you for coming on the show, friend. Thank you for having me, man. And also,
Final thing too, I've got an auction on my Twitter right here for these authentic Tali bro shoes. These are made by the Taliban. They make the shoes? Oh yeah, they make shoes, they wear them. If you look at the, if you go to Afghanistan, they wear the high tops here. I had these for eight months in Taliban custody and I got them signed by some GDI staff. Look at this stuff here, lovely. And I don't see anyone else having signature shoes. These are a piece of
piece of my life. Have fun bidding. Yeah. And if heaven forbid, heaven forbid, I'll pray for you every day. But if anything does happen to you, that's going to be worth a lot of money. When I was in Taliban prison, you were still in prison for a short period of time. I was praying for you, man. Because I wasn't worried about myself. I was worried about
bro it's crazy that's pretty funny and then i got out and i'm trying to break you out bro crazy when i escape this matrix attack we're gonna deal with your little friends
Yeah, good night. Thanks, Brian. Thank you. Thank you, bro. Good stuff.
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