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me, Mr. Tristan Tate. He is the brother of Andrew Tate, who, of course, I did a, actually, I've done several interviews of your brother, but I don't think I've ever had you on. And so, this is the Rational Mail, and this is your bonus episode, guys, for this week. Yesterday, if you haven't caught it, I did an interview with Aubrey Huff, first baseman for the San Francisco
It was packed full of good stuff. So if you guys have not seen that, go check that out. I was actually kind of, it was unintentionally an epic interview. And I'm not, I don't really consider myself an interviewer so much as I like to have like people come on and just like kind of shoot the breeze with these guys and have a, have a conversation so that we can sort of, you know, come sharing ideas. Basically that's what the, that's what my blog and really I think the manager should
marketplace of ideas. So I have with me today, I have Tristan Tate. Tristan is the brother of Andrew. I did an interview with Andrew, his brother, last week. So if you missed that, go check that out. Those are always really high intensity, man. Like your brother is really intense. And I can't help but feel like kind of like I have to like keep up with him when he's on. So we're like rapid firing ideas and stuff. And so in like maybe like an hour and 20 minutes,
like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And it just goes so fast with him. So I wanted to get you on. This is your first live stream?
Well, certainly with me, but live stream ever? This is the first time you did live stream? Yeah, ever. The way me and Andrew have always worked is I've always tried to stay behind the scenes a little bit more.
With the business we run and the way that we make our money, we're very protective over it.
But I realize now in the last 12 months or so that the business that we do isn't going anywhere. It's getting bigger than ever. And the more we exposed ourselves and told people what we do and how we make our money, the more attention we're getting.
never been better. So I'm no longer afraid of showing my face and being exposed to the world, if you like.
Cool, cool, cool. So you are like, you're the technical side of this, right? I mean, you run the websites and you do all of the really the kind of the construction thing. Whereas like, I think your brother Andrew plays a different role. Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Are you guys twins? No, we're not twins. You're not twins. You guys look so much alike. I always thought that maybe you guys were like fraternal twins.
He is one year and a bit older than me. That's it. So we're very close in age. I'm 31 now. He's 33, but I'll be 32 before he turns 34. So it's just a year and a bit that separates us. People ask if we're twins all the time.
on the whole. Well, no, there was a time, in fact, where near 100% of Mindy Landry's incomes were
came from the webcam studio and adult entertainment about five years ago when we first started this so both of us spent all of our waking hours building this
from the models, building up their accounts, building their popularity, their Twitter accounts, their Instagrams.
uh getting them online making sure that they're making the money that was both of our focus
full-time we don't come from a family or a background where there was where anyone had any money
So when we saw the potential of this business, we really went for it and we became very big names in the industry.
I mean, AVN awards invited some of my models to come and present awards last year.
But they all want me, so I didn't let them fly to Vegas. And one of them didn't have a visa anyway, so it would have been unfair.
We became very big in the industry.
Okay, so, and how long have you been doing it? For people who don't know, let everybody know what it is that you guys do, because I'm sure like a lot of people who are going to follow your brother are there, they're wondering like what we're talking about right now. Well, my name is Tristan Tate, and between me and my brother, we run webcam studios. Now, a lot of you will be familiar with the idea of a webcam model.
But I guess I'm here live with Mr. Rolo Tomasi, and I'm going to let you in on some industry secrets.
Obviously, there really isn't
such thing as a lonely girl in her bedroom struggling for money to pay her dog's medical bills who's working on webcam. All of these stories are fabricated by individuals like myself. I have mansions, houses with seven, eight, sometimes 10 models broadcasting at the exact same time, all with fake names, fake locations, fake background stories.
At the very top, at the very most, if you do find a girl who is completely independently working as a webcam model, she'll have a boyfriend.
I mean, in the...
in the weird universe where she's not working for a studio. But typically webcam models work for people like myself. So
you know, it isn't what people think it is.
I'll tell you more about it from behind the scenes. What are the – okay, so I think probably the one that has been in the news recently was that chick who was selling her bathwater for like 30 bucks. Now, what the hell was her name? I can't remember. That was her name.
Yeah, yeah.
Delphine, that's right. I know this business. I know it well. That was a man's idea.
Yeah, I would say so. She isn't single. She's huge on Instagram. She's not doing the real sexual webcamming stuff, the kind of stuff that my girls will do, the strip shows and that kind of stuff. But she does get essentially tributed money by guys who are in love with her, which is the essence of this business.
And selling the bathwater, these huge media stunts she's pulling, she either has a very good PR manager or a boyfriend.
Yeah. When I, when I dug into that story, like a lot of people were saying that she has a boyfriend that does the management of, of what she is. Like, she's very like, I had no idea who she was until somebody said, Hey, roll it, check this out. She's selling bath water for $30 a jar. And I'm like, yeah, well that's because when people throw that at me, I'm looking at the nature of the guy.
that would
uh i'm focusing on only one side like i'm looking at the guy like what kind of guy would pay 30 dollars for a for a jar of bath water for this chick right or why is this girl so so um so popular so i'm looking at it from that respect you're looking at it from the opposite side which is how is how is she making money who's making money off of this how is it getting disseminated how are they selling these jars of water how is she how is she marketing her her brand and uh i think that's kind of fascinating because because to me like when i talk with your brother um
We've talked about this before is that he is one thing that I think you and Andrew are very good at is understanding, um, like male nature and understanding how to profit from that, how to make, how to make something out of that. Um,
And it's reliable.
It's something that's always going to be around. There's always going to be thirsty guys. There's always going to be guys who are going to, what did you say, tribute money to a girl. So when I'm looking at this and I look at her and I like Delphine or I guess that's her name. When I look at her, I see, yeah, very much a product, very produced, overproduced, almost like so much so that it's too perfect because she has that particular look that she almost looks like an anime character. Yeah. She looks, in fact, she plays up to that, right?
little hair the the the little ears and all that shit um and so and then i saw what i made maybe you saw this too but i saw that one video where she's just kind of i think she does that asmr stuff where she says like talking like this all the time and she's trying to get you off or whatever and she's doing that kind of stuff i think it's supposed to like make you sleep or it's supposed to like make you feel comfortable or whatever but she's doing that she's eating a raw egg at the same time and i'm like what the hell but this is what these guys like get off on that's what they're all
about. So, so you, you're in, you're on the backside. You're in the, you're in the back end of this. You're the one that's looking at these girls. So how does, how does that work out for you? Well, I won't tell anybody, I won't actually divulge, I guess the names of my models because that could potentially damage. Yeah, of course. My girls have Twitter accounts of 30 to 50,000 followers.
Guys are inboxing them all the time. The truth of the matter is this, the reason why men control this business
is because women are inherently a lot less motivated by money than men so i me and my brother saw the potential in this business and we didn't sleep
For months, 20 hours a day, we had girls online around the clock. We would nap in shifts. A girl will make $1,000 and think, okay, I don't need to work for the rest of the week.
I'll have a girl make a thousand dollars and think, okay, that's a good start. Let's make another 2000 today and do that seven days this week. So I can buy a supercar. That's why the most successful webcam models in the world. And no doubt this bell Delphine have some kind of male influence behind them. Cause I think it's just the different motivations that drive them. So from, from the backside of it,
I see
from the backside of it, it's very hilarious. I'm literally sitting in my office sometimes with big IMAX, like the one I'm talking to you on six of them lined up in a row with, uh,
crowds, I don't know, crowds of naked men with their dicks in their hands, talking to various webcam models of mine, professing their love, selling their possessions to give them money.
And if I were to tell you about the demographic of these people, you'd be very surprised. Well, in fact, I think the world, everybody listening will be very surprised.
People assume
Webcam guys, the typical webcam customer is an older guy, lonely. No, the biggest spenders are young men under the age of 25.
And that's because of something, it's something I've worked out. It's a theory that I've come up with from my experience. I call it the.
Over-digitalization of sexual relationships.
So I'm 31. When I was young, when I was 14, 15, I liked a girl in school. I'd have to pass her a little handwritten note, maybe go talk to her myself.
When I was 17, 18, I saw a girl in a bar who I liked. I'd have to have a few drinks, walk over, introduce myself. These kids are growing up, just one generation short of me, where they like a girl in school, all right, add them on Facebook or MySpace. They like a girl in their town, let's look through Tinder and see if she swipes me back. It's the over-digitalization of sexual relationships
to the point where it comes to the time where maybe they've had a girlfriend, maybe they've had two.
But these 10 out of 10 models, these really gorgeous women who are advertising themselves on webcam,
These guys don't have a chance with these women because they'll never go up and talk to them if they did see them in the real world.
So the main demographic, the customer base, the guys who are spending the biggest money are young.
They've got their first job, they're very naive.
and they're just throwing their money away to people like me. I mean, you've seen our car collection, obviously. I'm sitting in a bar lounge I built in my own house.
Thanks, guys. But it's...
It's almost tragic.
It really is almost tragic. And I can understand that even from my perspective. Now, is it like you're saying that the demographic is like 25 year olds, let's just say mid 20s.
And is there a, is there a particular, I mean, that's, that's the age demographic. Is there a particular like kind of mindset that these guys are in also like, what do you have? Well, maybe I should ask you this is, do you have, um, stats on like where these guys are? What's the, what time they're most active? And also this, do those guys when they're like interacting with the models, do they, um, do they think that they're alone with those girls when in fact they're like online with several other guys?
You know, I think when people are indulging in any kind of fantasy,
they're more easily convinced. So these guys are very happy to believe
that these models are alone in their bedrooms, I guess, looking for an extra income or trying to pay some medical bills. But when the very much like when a guy will take a street hooker off the corner and she's like, yeah, I love having sex with you in the back of your car. You know, the guy probably knows she isn't.
But when they're paying for a fantasy, they're happy to live in fantasy land. So I very rarely have my girls get questioned about who they're working for or where they are. There's a few people on the major camming websites who hate me and my brother.
They've investigated their favorite girls. They've realized how much they've spent. They realize that not only are these girls working for me, but I'm banging them all at the end of the shift. And there are guys in the world who would love to see my head on a pike simply because they've fallen in love with various models of mine. And so is it – do they get upset because they find it out, or do you think that they get upset because they've allowed themselves to get into –
that situation, like to to make themselves that, I guess, that kind of vulnerability, like to make themselves that vulnerable.
You know, it varies from guy to guy. Very rarely will a guy figure a model out. But there was actually a time, there was once when I was new in this business, Rollo, where I called a guy personally, because I had his number from me. I explained to him who I was, what we were doing, and told him not to spend his money.
Because he was waiting on a 20,000 British pound inheritance check from his grandmother, who had recently passed away. And they were selling this grandmother's house. And when the house was sold, he was doing it 20,000 pounds. And he promised it all to this girl he'd fallen in love with.
Her fake name was Chloe.
She wasn't that good looking, to be honest, but she was English. She had a great personality. This guy fell in love with her. He promised her the entire check.
So I called this guy, introduced myself, I told him who I was, I said, "Look, man,
Don't do it. And you could tell his heart were broken. On the phone, I heard his heart breaking.
And we never heard from him again.
until six weeks later, I'd hired a girl from Lithuania, completely different demographic,
different nationality
This guy
Shows up live on the camera. I almost spit my drink out.
And he starts telling my new girl, a Lithuanian model, how an English girl had tricked him and he figured her out and realized that she was playing him. And I looked at my admins. I said, you know, take this guy for every penny he's got.
And the motivation, I don't really know. It does vary from guy to guy, but it's very much like,
Alcoholics will always abuse alcohol, whether you keep your bar open or if you close your bar.
So at that moment, I decided never ever to close my bar. Luckily, he came to another bar that I owned.
to abuse it himself but uh yeah i i don't i don't feel sorry for these guys regardless of what makes them upset
Yeah. And that's, that's going to be, and I'm already seeing this here in the, in the chat room is everybody's going to say, well, you guys, you and your brother are just digital pimps, right? You guys are just, and I mean, I think you guys probably would agree with that. You're like, yes, we are. Oh yeah. I will.
Do you, like, how do you, like, these guys are saying, like, oh, why not just, you know, why not, this is like the 21st century version of being a pimp, right? Because, and it's even better because the girls don't even actually have to have sex with the guy. They just have to promise them or have to give them something more. And, okay, I'll finish that thought later. But, like, what would you say to those guys? Well, the word pimp is, to me, it means something very different.
and a daughter.
And he makes them go and work in the supermarket all day, and he takes all their money. That guy's a penalty.
A webcam studio operator isn't actually a pimp of the 21st century. What we are, we are strip club owners of the 21st century. Strip clubs are closing down.
They really are. Internet is killing them. We're taking over. Now, I'll take a girl who used to work in a McDonald's restaurant for a thousand dollars a month or a thousand British pounds a month. She'll come to work for me. She gets paid six, seven, eight, ten thousand British pounds a month. She has no rent to pay. I pay her taxes for she's making bank.
The most like a stripper working in a strip club is making a lot of money. Now, it's very different if you're an owner of a strip club and a girl comes to you and says, hello, Tristan, can I please dance at your club for money? And you say yes. I mean, people assume there's something seedy about it, like I'm kidnapping these girls off the street and forcing them to do things on webcam.
I had more applicants at one point than I could even handle.
They wish to come work for me. They get paid very heavily. They get paid a nice salary. I don't keep all their money. I make a profit just like
You know, just like guys who have girls dancing in bars. That's the equivalent.
I think, in my opinion. But everyone's free to judge me the way they like. And I find the people that judge me the harshest and are most angry about what I do.
are what you would refer to as a white knight.
I call it customers. Customers hate what I do.
And who can blame them? If you go to a strip club and you leave with a hard-on and the strip club owner has to take all the strippers back to his house at the end of the day,
you're not going to like that guy very much. Right, right.
I think that's the dangerous aspect of what it is that you and your brother do. Now, you guys are in a pretty secure situation. You're already in Romania. And according to – correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your brother, you guys moved to Romania because it was just simply easier or you guys were running into some kind of legal trouble in the United States and you couldn't –
you know, do your business in the U S. So you had to go to, to Romania to do this. Um, is, is, is that, um, is it because, I mean, obviously it's because the, the social situation here in the United States, but, um,
Is it easier to do what you do there than it is in the United States? Well, it's not just, and not, I don't mean that just from a business perspective. I mean, like getting the girls and everything else.
It's much harder, in fact, to get the girls.
In England, where I lived previous to Romania, it was easier to get the girls. More English girls are willing to do this kind of work than Romanians, believe it or not.
But...
In England and America, there's always a me too hanging over your head. I realized living in England...
when they finally released these laws about emotional abuse,
I realized that at any point I could be a convicted criminal. For example, if I have a girlfriend, emotional abuse can be things as little as not giving her access to money or limiting the friends that she speaks to or looking through her phone.
So if I had a girlfriend and there was a guy, she was meeting up with you, Rolo. And I said, you know what? I don't want you meeting up with Rolo Tomasi. And she said, well, I'm going to go meet him tonight at the bar. So give me some money. And I said, no, I'm not giving you any money. You're not allowed to meet up with Rolo. Let me look at the messages he sent you in his phone.
I can do three years in the United Kingdom.
It's gone crazy. I'm now a criminal.
for having a basic, I'll say, duty of care over my girlfriend and the sexual exclusivity I have with her.
It's not abuse. It's not cruel. And these kind of things just pushed me
to find a place where that kind of nonsense didn't exist.
I was running this business quite happily in England.
But at any point, one of my girls could have metooed me, said that I was making her do it. There would have been a huge investigation. I would have lost my livelihood, maybe gone to jail.
Who knows?
Here they don't tolerate that kind of nonsense. So it is much more comfortable
running the business here despite its difficulties it's a lot more comfortable and my mind is at ease
running here.
And do you, so the, how many girls do you have right now? How many, how many girls are working for you? I guess as well. I have scaled back massively. We have no more than 12 models right now. Oh, okay. So you got 12 going at it. Is that like, is that like the maximum? Is it more difficult to have like more or less than that? Or is that the sweet spot? We're making about the same money from webcamming now as we were three years ago.
Because the 12 girls I had, I still had, but they weren't making the money they're making now. They were entry level.
And I had up to maybe 70 members of staff. And I was paying 23,000 euros a month in rents.
And all my girls are making average incomes. What I've done is I've separated the cream of the crop
away from the girls who weren't quite pulling their weight. I've kept my elite team
And now me and Andrew, we show people how to run this business. He sells his secrets on CobraTake.com. We sell a blueprint to this business. And we have other guys making a lot of money.
I consult with them, I call them on Skype, I make sure their studios are running well. But my 12 girls, if I were to tell you how much they make,
You wouldn't know.
Believe it. I have girls grossing
$45,000 a month.
One girl.
I mean, the money is crazy, but you have to be at the elite level of webcamming. And these girls have really put the hours in. They put the work in. And they themselves, they're earning very good money. Not just for me. They're making a very good living for themselves. So let's – because a lot of guys are going to say this. They're going to say, well, you're taking advantage of these girls or you're forcing these girls to do what you want them to do. And I think you and actually Andrew have said this before, is that they're seeking you out.
the ones that are looking for somebody who can sort of run that business form, just like that, that whatever Belle Delphine. Same thing. You know, she's got a manager. She's got somebody who's sort of, you know, doing the back the back end stuff. You know, like we talk about web development. There's a front end guy and there's a back end guy. The girl's a front end guy. The guys are back trying to say, OK, here's how we're going to work this out and here's what we're going to do.
Do you think that this is – like a lot of people are going to say, well, you're in –
you're in human trafficking you are in um you're just like when these guys are talking about how um
I
how you're taking advantage, you're taking advantage, not just of the girls, but you're also taking advantage of these guys. And your brother has said this before, and you can back me up, but your brother has said this. He says that, you know, if, if I'm not doing it,
Someone else is going to do it. Yeah, and he took the he kind of took the the rationale Which is something that i've actually personally said before because i've i've worked in the liquor industry for going on 25 years now and
if i am selling alcohol to people yeah that's you know i haven't had a drink in like two two years now a little over two years now and i understand i understand why people want to drink i understand i've been involved in it for a very long time and if it's not me selling it if it's not my brand one of my brands is going to be somebody else's brands because people want that people why do we have legal marijuana right now if it's and why do we have legal cam girls or legal online gambling all that kind of stuff so
So what do you say to guys who say that like you're not only are you manipulating the girls, but you're also manipulating the guys? Well, I will actually hold my hands up high and I will say that the victims of this industry and there are victims, Rolo, there really are, are the men, the men who partake and buy into.
this uh these fantasy stories that a girl 6 000 miles away from them can really be in love with them i mean to be honest the girls do start to like the guys but it's a very maternal
kind of friendship if that makes sense you know they care if the guy's dog is sick that you know they're upset that's not working out well between him and the new girl he's dating they do actually take a vested interest in these guys lives the best girls do
But there's no sexual attraction.
0%. Not even the slightest bit. It's all acting if it ever gets sexual. But the typical way I'll hire a girl,
is I know people probably think I throw nets on them and drag them into my van. A girl will send a message on Instagram to another girl of mine who works for me.
I'd say, wow, you know, you're really killing it. You make a lot of money. You have nice shoes, nice bag. You know, what do you do? She'll say, I'm a webcam model.
Who are you working for? I'm working for Tristan Tate.
the introduction happens that way i'm actively seeked out and uh i mean human trafficking is is disgusting and i come from a country where human trafficking used to be a big problem before the european union
Girls were certainly trafficked out of Romania into the West with the...
false lies of high paying jobs in the West and that kind of stuff. The mafia would sneak them out and turn them into prostitutes.
Couldn't human traffic in the European Union today anyway?
I wouldn't bring a girl from an affluent country like England and move her to Romania,
Because one phone call, one Facebook message, the police will be kicking down my door, the European Union police.
These girls, every time I fire one, they're begging me to come back.
They're big. So do they do they work like what, like the physical place where these girls are working? Is it on the premises where you're at right now? Or do they have their own like setup? And then they just sort of use you as sort of their go between?
This house was a can studio. I was renting it and using it as a can studio. I've now bought it and I've built, I mean, this cigar lounge, for example, was a can room. But I've now just built the ideal home that I want to live in, in this house. But no, they'll live in their own apartments and their own houses.
I have a completely female management.
So new girls are very comfortable around the women who are going there to help them. And my female management team will be behind the scenes. They'll type a lot of instructions out for them, minute by minute, what to say, what to do, how to get this guy to pay him, etc. It really is a beautiful, well-oiled machine.
And I would never involve myself.
In fact, I've got a confession to make, Roller.
Sure. I know a lot about the adult entertainment industry.
Because I have a system when girls didn't ever make money on webcam because some girls can't make it.
If they were a nice girl, they'd go home and go back to their job because most of the girls who work for me are nice, normal girls.
Not promiscuous girls, not girls who...
had sex with a lot of people, just girls who are working low-paying jobs and destined to work a low-paying job forever.
they decided to come work for me. But you do get the girls who are what you call promiscuous, hoes, thoughts, whatever you want to call them. So when these girls weren't making money, I and I will admit this.
For a very short period of time, for about two or three months, I found inroads into pornography for them.
So I have a contact. I'm not going to.
advertise or put anyone on blast here but i would find i had my contacts in budapest hungary london where i'd send these girls to do various porn shoots and take a cut of it i saw the
nasty nature of that business.
And I very quickly distanced myself from it.
However, webcamming is something very different.
Webcamming is something very different. Normal, healthy, cool. I've had a virgin work for me, Rollo, six months.
A virgin is working for me. And she'll be called all sorts of horrible names by the guys who she's dancing in front of or getting naked in front of. Or other girls, they'll call her a whore. They'll call her all sorts of names. There's not really many excuses on earth to be calling a virgin a whore.
So webcamming is different from pornography. No one is, there are no victims besides the customers.
Right. So, and, and that, I think, you know, again, I'm still looking here in the chat and the thing is, is like, I, I get it. I understand why people will say, well, oh, you guys are scumbags. You're making money off of these, you know, these poor insecure guys. Um, you know, why, why is Rolo talking to this guy? Well, here's the thing is like, if we don't, if I don't talk to you, that's one of the reasons why like people say, well, oh, Rolo just follows around, uh, Andrew or it's all follows around Tristan or whatever. It's like, like, no, I don't,
because we don't have these conversations. We don't understand what it is that makes these guys this way. What is it about their nature? What is it about those guys? Is it just some sort of intrinsic inherent thing in these guys? Or is it because they are acculturated to be this way? Is it because they've been conditioned? Like I'm sure you've probably read my book. So you understand what I say when I mean blue pill condition. So just like what you're saying just a minute ago is, you know, there's going to be a lot of guys who are going to be quote unquote white knights and they're, they're going to take two tracks. The first track is this,
offend the women. They're going to say, oh, you're, you're, you know, you're taking advantage of these girls. When in fact, they're coming to you there, they want to do this. I'm sure there are plenty of independent contractors, so to speak. All you got to do is go on Instagram or go on Snapchat or whatever. I'm sure there's other, I mean, I'm, I, I can't imagine you guys are the only show in town. There's got to be some other guys that are doing exactly the same thing that you are. And so that's the first thing is that the first white night is going to do that. The next kind
or guys who are suckers.
And I think that that's the end. And so,
If we don't have these conversations, we don't talk about this. Here's the thing. How many guys are going to watch this or read my book or whatever, and they're going to go, you know what? I'm done. I'm done dealing with the…
Cam thought, you know, I'm done with that. You know, maybe that helps those guys because you, you and your brother, and I would like to say, think myself, we know male nature.
We know what it is. Why do they keep going to that? Now, here's what the follow on question I was going to ask you earlier was this is, have you seen that movie called Her? H-E-R. And I think it's got it's got Joaquin Phoenix in it. And what it is, is it's this guy who falls in love with artificial intelligence. It's like this female voice that loves him and is pretty much just artificial intelligence to.
to be the perfect girlfriend or be his wife, his digital wife. Now she doesn't have any body or anything like that. It's just basically a, a, a sympathy program pretty much where he has this relationship with, with this artificial intelligence. You guys should really watch this. It's really, it's a, it's a fat from a psychological perspective. It's really fascinating. One, after I watched this movie, I'm like,
This movie really only works for men.
Because if you were to have... I don't see, or maybe it's less believable anyways. I don't think it's believable to think that a woman...
would fall in love with a
would fall in love with AI, would fall in love with the perfect boyfriend that she has access to on her phone or her computer or whatever else. It makes sense to me.
that a guy would fall in love with that because men,
approach love from an idealistic perspective. And I think that that's where you guys come in. I think that's what you guys, you and Andrew really understand about male nature is that idealistic nature or that idealistic approach to love. So the guys, and correct me if I'm wrong, the question I'm asking here is, do you find that the guys...
who are the biggest spenders, the guys who are the most hooked on this tend to be the most idealistic.
- Yes, in some cases. I'll quickly say that your point is completely accurate and completely vindicated by the simple fact
that male to female webcamming does not exist.
There is no market and no industry for it. All male webcam models are broadcasting to homosexual men.
That's it. There is no male to female webcam industry.
Doesn't exist. Isn't real. So you are completely right in that perspective. So women almost don't fall for it.
if you like.
the most idealistic
In some cases, but also it's sad. Sometimes the most regretful, sometimes the kind of guy that honestly needs to read your book.
are massive vendors if you do get the older guys online they've been married they're 12 years into a sexless marriage a sexless relationship
uh those are the guys who make me a lot of money but they're not paying the girl to be sexual
They're paying the girl to be a good female companion.
Their wife goes to sleep, they put on their headphones, and they just talk to these girls for hours. $2 a minute, $3 a minute. And they just run up these...
massive bills a lot of them are very well-to-do guys but they can't divorce their wife
or they'll lose all their money. Their kids are still too young that they're living at home. They don't want to put the kids through it. So yeah.
there's certainly guys who want to
who want the idealistic female companion, but sometimes to escape the reality of their own lives, if that makes sense. Is it? OK, so now here's now we're going to dig deep here. Do you think like the guys who are attracted or who get like locked into a particular girl?
Do you think that it has more to do with the sex and getting off or do you think it has more to do with like the, for lack of a better term, the companionship such as it is not really companionship, but like the idea that there's somebody on the other side of that monitor.
that
actually gives a shit about him or actually wants to turn him on or wants to show her appreciation to that guy.
That's exactly what it is. Webcamming is not about sex and it's not about porn. And when you hire new girls, their biggest shock is...
always after the first week of doing the job is how
how seldom they're asked to get naked.
That's their biggest shock. They're like, all I did was talk to this guy for three hours, four hours, six hours.
$3 a minute, you could do the mathematics. But it is the companionship. Pornography is free.
and it's everywhere and i'm one of the big
anti-porn guys, like you said, I'm sure I'm reading some of these comments, criticize me if you like, but if this conversation weren't happening,
Maybe somebody watching this is ready to give his life savings to a webcam over in Ukraine.
And I just prevented that happening. The conversations with people like me at least give some insight into what's really going on that you wouldn't find elsewhere.
- Right.
But uh
Yeah, I, the reason, so I'm asking this because, and I know this from, I live in Nevada. Okay. So prostitution is legal here in the United States here in Nevada. And one of the things that I know from the research and the articles that I've read is that most of the girls, most of the women who are working in the broad, the legal brothels here in Nevada will say that the men that are coming to them are not coming to them primarily because of the sex.
that they go there is because they're not getting some they're getting something there that they're not getting
in their marriage or they're not getting and and a lot of their clientele tend to be married they tend to be paired off they tend to be guys who are sort of like you said locked into this um locked into this lifestyle that they feel like they're trapped in they can't get out of but they don't want to break up with their wife they don't want to disrupt their family they don't want to you know whatever they don't want to cause that kind of chaos in their own lives but they still feel the need
to go and see a prostitute, go and see that person. And maybe this is sort of like mythology, but I think a lot of the prostitutes' stories are something like, well, some of these guys, all they want to do is just talk or they want to have somebody that appreciates them. And I've written extensively on this actually is that one of the reasons why strippers are so successful right now or have been in the past is because they are able to put on an act
And
Remember, strippers have been around. I dated strippers back in the 90s. So I know what they're all about. I know how they operate. But I also now, in this century, I also understand what it is about men's nature that makes a stripper, makes a prostitute effective.
talking point, but guys want to feel appreciated. They want to have somebody say, hey, good job. They want to have some sort of positive reinforcement in their life. And if all they're getting is negative reinforcement or a complete lack of appreciation, what happens is
is then just like physical touch. Like most of these, most of the guys that you see in a, in a strip club who are getting a lap dance from a hot chick, that is the only place on planet earth that that could possibly ever happen for those guys. Because here's a $20 bill. I'll take a lap dance for the end of the song and that'll be great. Right. I don't know. Maybe it's more than $20 now, but those guys are, they're never going to get that from their wives. They're never going to get that from a girlfriend. They're never going to get that in any other circumstance,
We look at this from a sexual side of things, but there's also just sort of the human contact. There's also that need for a guy to have that interaction with a woman. Most guys, when I'm talking to them, when we're talking about guys between the ages, say 45 and 65 years old or whatever, they've been going without. They're living in sexless marriages or whatever, and they read my book. The first thing they do is they come back to me and they say, Rolo, I don't want to break up with my wife.
don't want to get a divorce. I really, really love my wife, but I can't endure this sexlessness anymore. And so what these guys do, and particularly this gets really twisted up when you add religion into all of this, but what they do is then they get addicted to pornography. And so what was it? 68, 70% of like evangelical Christian men say that they are addicted to pornography in some way.
that they want to get. And because it's sex and because it's men, we say this is a perversion. This is some kind of, it's just men being men.
But the fact of the matter is the guy might go, you know,
a year, two years, three years without any kind of what we call Kino, right? Kino, like have touching and that kind of stuff. Without a hug, without a kiss, without an appreciation, without anything like that for a very long time, that does something to a guy. And what does it do? It predisposes them to look for those experiences, maybe even online. And in this case, because we
way we used to think and the way we do things now. The technology that we have right now needs to be in some way affecting how we think in this century as opposed to the way we used to think in the old century, back in the 20th century. And so what you're doing right now, people say, well, you're a digital pimp. Yeah, you're damn right. And guess what? You're a digital pimp in a line of a lot of guys who've been pimps themselves and have done, whether it's girls or it's alcohol or it's whatever
There's that old order thinking.
that
that those guys still adhere to. So I think what you're doing right now, I, you know, I'm, I'm not going to say, oh, well, it's great. You know, go, go ahead and manipulate these blue pill guys, because that's my, been my, my goal is to help guys pull themselves up and out of that. But I can't help you pull, pull anybody up and out of that, unless you can,
Unless I can hold up a mirror, unless I can say, look, look at what you're doing. Look at your nature. Look at all the stuff that you, that's led up to you, you know, dropping $10,000 for a fucking bottle of, you know, our jar of bath water or whatever it is. Right. That kind of stuff. Like what, what prompts these guys to do this? And here's the thing is like, and I see this in the, in the chat here as well, like guys,
look at this from a third party perspective. They go, what kind of idiot would do something like that? What kind of fool would do what? That's not a real man. A real man wouldn't do that. A real man would do, you know, X, Y, and Z. And the fact is, is like,
Those, it just depends on what it is that those guys are lacking. So even the guys who are critical of those guys, whatever you're lacking in your life, maybe you won't go to a pro, but you will go to a cam girl.
Maybe you won't. And then lastly, the last word I want to say is I'm in in I think it's my second book. I described the situation where I was living in Orlando, Florida one time and I was walking through like the food court. You know how they have those kiosks in the malls. It was like the mall of Orlando. And I was walking through there and there was this mother and daughter who were selling those like those massagers that like massage your head or they're like those little rubbers or whatever.
and the girl or the mom would go and they would just start using the thing on just random dudes like walking by, right? And if it had been a guy doing that to a girl,
They'd be in jail, right? But because it's a girl and because it's a random guy and the girl is, hey, doesn't that feel good? And they were selling these little stupid little wire head massagers just like one after the other. And why? Because so many of those guys.
are so unused to having any girl come up to them and give them attention give them any kind and it's not even sexual attention it's just them getting like touch and having someone take an interest in them and i think that that's why you end up being successful because these guys are so starved for attention they're so starved for appreciation the modern guy the average dude that certainly the guys that come to you
or your girls anyways,
are so starved for that attention,
that that seems like a good idea. It seems like logic.
And it does help some guys. I know I was talking about the victims of this industry, the guys who really get in too deep and they do really
put themselves in financial trouble to spend more time with girls. A lot of guys can't afford this.
I mean, big lawyers, hot shop doctors, scientists, a lot of guys who are customers of my studio can't afford this. And I genuinely think.
that it helps some of them. One of the tips I give to new girls who are nervous about getting their clothes off is on their first private chats. Like you said, this is what they're lacking. I say, look, ask the guy how his day was.
you'll burn 10 minutes that's 30 bucks right there and the guys are oh how was my day
Oh, wow. Well, at work, this guy who I dislike was really... Their wife doesn't ask them this. They're not getting this from their wife.
And like you said about the strip club, you know, the only place in the world where you can get the lap dance is the strip club. A massive thing online as well is the subservience side of it.
I understand the way I live my life. Maybe I'm spoiled, but I can tell I run the business I run. I can tell a hot girl, you know, do this, go here, make me a cup of coffee, get naked. And it does happen regardless of who in the private channels wants to doubt me. I'm going to clear that up later on this year. I've got a plan for that.
a guy who doesn't have that power suddenly has this 10 out of 10, 9 out of 10 beautiful girl in front of him,
You know what? Lay on your back. Get naked. Take off your bra. And she's doing it.
These guys love it. Yes, there are victims to every industry. There are victims to the alcohol industry. I like to party. I'll go out twice a week, maybe sometimes once a week and I'll drink champagne and I'll drink vodka and I'll have an amazing time. Not all of my customers are degenerates. Not all of the customers are people who are, you know, get abused by the system. They kind of know it's a fantasy. They know it's a joke and they really do get this validation that they can't get from home.
They're not going to leave their work.
A girl asked how his day was. Oh, yeah. Oh, is Billy from work still bothering you? You know, how's your dog? How's Aries, your puppy? Oh, you know, the girl's asking about all these personal things. And the best cam girls are more like psychiatrists than they are sex slaves. They care about the guy. But I said it's very maternal. They'll do the sex show at the end, you know, thinking about whatever they're thinking about, usually acting. It is fake. These girls are pros.
Lee.
Some of them
To be honest, I didn't want to cross into the side. A lot of guys have multiple sclerosis, veterans who are wounded in wheelchairs and that kind of stuff. And there's no laughing in the office when that's going on. These guys are paying for some sort of sexual interaction that they find meaningful.
This isn't a cartel where me and my brother are mocking everybody. Sure, we mock the idiots, and there are plenty of idiots, but it is a real service that a lot of guys find real value in.
Hence it being a multi-multi-million dollar industry. I think I like what you said about that. And I've heard strippers as well as prostitutes say this, is that in some ways they are the only psychotherapy products.
that these guys will ever get or it's, or either it's because they can't afford or they just, I mean, a lot, I think a lot of people think that the only reason that guys go, well,
the main reason guys go to see
you know strippers and everything's because of sex you know they want to they want to see that but it's also i think this fantasy that a woman would have any kind of concern for them in the real world and i i mean it's really kind of a sad statement i think on western culture right now where these you know we for all of this communication for all of this mass communication and everything like we're we've we've we glow all this globalization we've never been more isolated than we are right
going to, maybe they have a disability. Maybe there's something wrong with their lives. Maybe there's something that's going on. I think a lot of guys, and I'm not saying all guys are like this, so I'm just going to, I have to put this caveat in there so MGTOWs don't lose their minds. But when a guy who's MGTOW, one of the things that they say is they say, you've got to have, you've got to make your basic needs, right? You've got to have, was it dolls, dogs, and dudes, right? You've got to have a doll to have sex with. You've got your dudes to hang out with, and you've got a dog to sort of be your kind of like, you know, love and affirmation and everything.
And I think they're right about that. I think in a sense that those are kind of like the basics that a guy has to get. Right. So we can get off anytime we want to. We have unlimited access to unlimited sexuality via pornography right now. If you want to go rub one out, you can do it. Anybody can't. Right. For free. And so you don't have to pay anything. But they're willing to pay for the interaction that you and your brother and the girls that work for you.
offer. So it's not just a sex thing. It can't just be a sex thing because if it was guys would, you know, pragmatically guys would just go and just jerk off to porn or whatever else because for free, why would you, why bother? If you knew what happened to a Google search, you could find recorded clips of my girls doing their sex shows on Pornhub that guys have ripped off the internet and put online. So if you knew what to type and you know, the girl's usernames, you could find them sexual things on video for free on the internet. And that doesn't,
how popular the girls are. So I don't even take them down anymore. I leave them up. So I have to ask you this. This guy is asking me this. He says, Rolo, ask him about Bianca Dragusanu. Is that what her name is? He said she was his girlfriend.
Well, do you have, do you have girlfriends?
Because I know your brother has like three girls or something or four girls that are living with him. Do you do the same?
- You know, and this is one of the big disagreements, you were talking about the MGTOW community earlier. This is one of the disagreements I have with them. I understand a tiny bit,
why they might think someone like me.
isn't qualified to say this, but I think one of the great pleasures in life is female company, male to female, sexual relationships, sexual dynamics. I'm not talking about just fucking girls. If you love sex, and some guys do, I mean, if sex is all a guy that's looking for, find one girlfriend who's a bit of a nymphomaniac, bang her five times a day and you're happy.
I like the dates, the wine, the opera, the drives, those little moments. For me, that's what I savor.
Because I'm fully aware of, I don't know why I think this way.
But I gave this example once on Twitter. I said, somewhere...
in a parallel universe or somewhere in the future, there's a 75-year-old version of me
Maybe lonely, maybe impotent.
And he's looking back on how I'm living today. And what would he do if he were in my position? He'd do exactly what I'm doing now. He'd take all these beautiful girls out and spend time with them and, you know, have his way with them. Because I enjoy it. I find it one of my favorite hobbies. Now, Bianca Dragosano, I'll cover very briefly, is just the guy asking you is probably from this country that I live, Romania. She was a married woman, a television presenter who was married to some other television presenter.
She got caught cheating on him essentially with me.
and left him for me.
which catapulted me to some level of celebrity status in Romania. I mean, I get recognized on the street and ask for photos and stuff, but that really put me in the spotlight. I was on every TV channel, every newspaper for a good few weeks. Now, the story behind that, actually, and this is a world exclusive because I don't talk about the Romanian press about this, but I know this probably isn't going to go around Romania, so I'll tell you the full situation. I'm always...
dating, meeting, seeing
you know a few girls especially when i'm single
I've got the girls who work for me who I obviously need to spend time with. I've got girls everywhere who I love meeting and I love seeing. So I was meeting this girl, and someone had photographed us. I've heard in hindsight, now I know that she tipped off the paparazzi to snap photos because she loves the scandal. She loves being in the headlines.
Bianca, the new, but so all the girls who I was speaking to at the time got mad at me. They started sending me messages saying, oh, well, I saw on TV. You've got a girlfriend. I'm sorry.
And I just thought, you know, the whole country thinks I'm this girl's boyfriend. So I'm just going to be her boyfriend for a while.
lasted eight weeks.
not my type didn't work out
Uh, but yeah, it was fun while it lasted. I mean, she's beautiful girl. You can Google her. Really, really beautiful. So yeah, that was a fun time. But the guy asking is obviously Romanian, I assume. Not many people know she. Yeah, I didn't know. I figured I'd throw that one out there for you. So like, do you share Andrew's idea with respect to like having multiple girls at the same time? Or are you just like involved with one girl at a time?
No, Rollo, I am a... And this is something we were briefly talking about just before we went live, and I'm going to talk about something. Sure.
I...
live in a way I've met, I guess, Hollywood guys, big actors. I mean, if you look through my Instagram, you'll know who I'm talking about, but I'm not going to name drop here.
who said to me, wow, I can't do what you do.
Because they're so famous and they've got their wife. If they were caught cheating, their career is over. I'm in a very unique position where I have the hours in the day. I am a self-made multimillionaire. And I'm not that famous that any kind of scandal can upset my reputation, my income, my business, what I do. So I do take full advantage of that.
I date a lot of women and I see a lot of women.
And one of my gripes with this space that you are the king of this space, Romelu,
These people are followers of you.
But a lot of these guys who want to teach young men how to pick up chicks and stuff, they're fantasists.
And I know they're fantasists because I live in their fantasy world. All day, all night, I watch these people type their stories and type their lies and type their imaginary lives to my webcam girls. So I will have a Twitter account, I guess, a pickup artist Twitter account, and he'll post.
Just a basic WhatsApp screenshot. I'll come over to see you later.
Could be real, could be fake. And he'll type out this long fantasist story about this supermodel who he met in the mall in Milwaukee who came to his house.
It really annoys me.
so starting from january 1st this year i've been keeping
On a private...
Locked.
away no one can see account a perfect diary of the women i date the women i see the women i sleep sleep with photographic evidence photographic proof and i'm going to build it up for six months
I'm going to release it just to bury all the fantasies and to shut all the liars up.
So I do see multiple women. I see a lot of women. I really do think that you can't see or date or sleep with more women than I do.
And I know that's a very bold claim,
But I am putting together the proof literally as we speak, day by day, and it will be released.
um in six months to a year and when it is then everyone will see how i live but yeah i'm not a
Got it.
Okay. Okay. That's cool. So you mentioned, and this is actually something I wanted to ask your brother too, but so you say...
A lot of these guys are fantasists and I get that. And I, I totally get that because you, and you guys would know, right? Because that your, your business is pretty much rooted and based on guys who,
wanting to live out of fantasy, wanting to be something that,
like want to at least in some way, it's almost like a pathology, really. It's like convince themselves that they're actually living a different life than they're actually living.
or being something that you're not.
I have a different theory as to why it is. Okay. Martial arts. I met these people first and foremost, before I fell into your area of Twitter, I met these people, these fantasists in the martial arts world.
These wannabe instructors. It's very cool.
When a room full of 50 people think you're the toughest guy on the planet and you're telling them what to do.
So in martial arts, we have a saying, it's called a McDojo.
where some clown who can't fight is taking people's money and, you know, running a fight gym, but he's useless himself. I really appeal of that because I've been I was I was the before anyone calls me any names. I was the European kickboxing champion. I was training for title defenses when a shoulder injury ended my career.
But I'm very good at fighting myself. So I know what it's like to be training a room full of people and have them look up to you and have them admire, have them respect you.
Now on Twitter, there are a lot of guys
If you're an Anon, one, just be quiet. I mean, if you're an Anon, just shut up. But there are a lot of guys who aren't Anons who I look at, and they're on stages sometimes. They're live on Twitter and YouTube talking about, well, this is how to get women. This is how to get...
I just look at them, they've never felt a nine in their life, even if they did for it. I know a fantasist when I see one, Rollo, and I understand the motivation from this martial arts analogy I just gave. They have guys all over Twitter, oh yeah, tell me how to meet these women, tell me how to date these beautiful women. Really, they've got some ugly ass chick.
or some single mom who bangs them sometimes. And they just, it's just a big fantasy for them and bury them. I really am. Do you now I know you're involved in the war room stuff as well, right? Yes. So, so you're doing cam, you're doing the cam girl thing. And then you're also, you and your brother are doing the war room. I think, do you think that a lot of the, a lot of the appeal that what you guys do with respect to the war room is
also part of that fantasy, also part of that fantasization, like guys wanting to find the way to live the kind of lifestyle that you just talked about. Yes, it is, because I am not, I'm not a writer, like, or I guess you're in some ways, you're a theologian, and you're in your own way, you know, you've got people, you know, you've got people, you've got people, you've got people,
I have guys who said that I ask a lot of questions of friends of mine who I know very well. I'm not on that level. And I do understand that I'm not the archetype.
for what every man wants to be. However, there is a certain percentage of men, when you ask them if they're 15 or 16 years old, what do you want to be when you're older? They say, I want to be a millionaire driving a Lamborghini with 10 girlfriends. That is, I think, quite a normal health.
male mindset. And that's very much how I thought. It's very much how I live. But the war room isn't about fantasy. Andrew famously, a few weeks ago, kicked out half the members.
It's a group like some of the other groups I've seen out there where they need the membership fee or they need the money.
Andrew kicked half of the subscribers out. He didn't give a shit because what Andrew is doing is making people who say, I want to be in a certain way. I want to live. Maybe I want to be physically fit like you, Andrew.
Maybe I want a hot girlfriend like you. Maybe I want to make some money on webcam. I want to run a webcam studio.
Cool, show me.
show me a video of you working out show me the girls you've got on webcam i'll help you
show me your receipts
The people who are pulling their weight get kicked out. So the war room certainly is –
uh for a lot of guys who join a fantasy of living this this this life that me and andrew live the the archetype of the of the the chad or i mean that's a term i learned from the atmosphere right all right but also you know pull your weight if you you know
Show me. You want to become a... Actually be it. Yeah. Yeah. The worm is very real. We make things happen. Just today. I think... Hold that thought. I think what happens is this is sort of a...
Not really a debate, but this is sort of a conflict I think between like
The fake it till you make it kind of guys and the guys who actually are making it.
Now, back in the back in the day, back in the old back of the old days, the old days of the early 2000s, you know, one of the reasons why guys wanted to get into pickup, they wanted to get into game is because they wanted to solve a problem. They wanted to live that particular lifestyle. Right. They wanted to get hot girls and they wanted they wanted the cheat codes. Right. They wanted the formula, magic formula that would you know, how what do I say? How do I act? How do I dress? How do I look? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah to get the actually in some cases to just get a girl at all.
in other in other cases like to to go from like getting sixes to getting eights let's just say yeah and for the most part but like i when i started getting into game and i started understanding like what these guys were talking about now i wasn't a pickup artist i've never been a pickup artist and call myself a pickup artist so let's just clear the air right there i'm not a mig tow i'm not a mra i if i'm anything i always i just refer to myself as red pill and the reason for
successful or why it wasn't successful. And so what I saw since like say 2001, 2002 is guys who wanted to solve their problem of either being a virgin or they wanted to, you know, access to better, better and more women. And they saw pickup as a way to get to that point. So while they were building themselves up to actually being somebody better or being something else, these are the good
skills, really what it is is social skills because a lot of them lack social skills. And I think that a lot of right now people are pointing this out. They're saying, well, you know, those pickup artists, all it is is just they just they just lack social intelligence. And this is how they learn social intelligence. And that makes a certain demographic of guys, usually highbrow intellectual guys feel better about themselves for trying to figure out why it is that PUA actually
I always felt was kind of like incomplete.
Because you have all of these techniques and you have all these things you're supposed to say, and it's not so much pickup lines as it is like being able to improvise and being outgoing and being an extrovert and interacting with women in a way that they would not have instinctually or intuitively, I guess.
been taught or would learn how to in any other circumstance. So, so yeah, in a sense they're right. But in the other sense, it's like, well, yeah, that's it. But there's more to it as well. And I always felt that PUA was incomplete without knowing why that shit works. So when I talk about game or I talk about PUA, I use that and I look at that as the practice and I look at red pill as sort of the theory. So it's like, well, okay, one is incomplete without the other. If you're not out, if you're, if all you're doing is reading my books and you're not doing anything, you're not actually
life. It's like having a toolbox that you never build anything with. You never do anything with it. Or if you don't give a rat's ass about a red pill or why these things are working and you go out and you go, wow, great. I finally got with the nine. Then you're going to get yourself into trouble because you have no idea how to live with her. You have no idea how to relate with her. You
And they don't really understand that back and forth. And this has been sort of like a paradox, I think, really since the early days. I think my work has been sort of a bridge between those two. But I get it now because now here we are in 2020 and guys are looking at this and they're going, those guys are just faking it. All they want to do is fake it. They don't actually want to make it. And you're right.
pill, the cheat code so they can play the game on God mode. And they don't understand, like, for me, I want to disassemble the game so I know exactly how this whole thing works. These are guys who just want to play the game, but they want it to be handed to them. And I think that what you guys are doing, at least with the War Room, in effect, is
In a way, you pander to those guys because they're fantasizers, just like you said, they're fantasists, and they want to actually live that lifestyle. They want to drive the Lambo. They want to have the hot girls. They want to make a lot of money. They want to figure out how to get.
to from fake it
to make it. And if that's the, if that's the, what you guys are bridging the gap between, I think that that, at least you got, you have some more substance to it right there because it's not just selling the fantasy. It's actually selling the real thing.
Yeah, well, some, I will actually say, a lot of the guys who joined the War Room,
have it. A lot of the guys are 10 years older than me. They got wisdom I don't have. I mean, these are people that I guess we call war room generals.
There are some very smart people in the war room. I mean, a guy, a Romanian joined the war room, a guy by the name of Joe Lampton. I'm not sure if you've ever seen him on Twitter. He runs a webcam studio, the same as me. Now, we've exchanged words. I gave him some tips to help him pick a studio up and then to make a lot more money. But that guy's a monster. People are joining the war room who really do have it and help us out, I guess, with the running of it. But, yeah, there is an element of the war room.
where the fantasies join, but they join, but then it's a quick shake and a slap in the face. Like, do you wanna live this way?
I read, I mean, lots of what you talk about is hypergamy.
Not good.
100%, you're accurate every step of the way.
But you could be the guy who moans, I guess, the guy who I guess you don't have your life put together very well. You're not very attractive to women because you're still living with your mother or whatever it is. And you can complain about hypergamy or you can just become a top tier male. It may take 10 years. It may take five years. It may take one. It depends on who you are. But when you are a top tier male, I have no problems with the way women are and the way the world is. I like it.
I understand why some people don't, but I love it. So the War Room is about making people accountable for,
for what their dreams and their aspirations are. We always say show receipts. We don't have fakers. We don't have time wasters. And because it's not a profit, I mean, it's not...
really a moneymaker for us. We're happy to kick half the people out.
Yeah. Well, and that was always, that was going to be my next question is like, you're making all of this money off of webcams. I mean, enough to live the lifestyle that you're living right now, but yet you're doing this as a side hustle. I mean, as I always wonder, like, why would you, if you're making all this money, why would you bother to like, try to do the war room in the first place? Why would you not simply just focus on the
what makes you the most amount of money? Why not expand that?
We did this for years, like dragons guarding our cave of treasure. We didn't even tell people what our business was. When Andrew's first Twitter account. Yeah, I remember that. We weren't supposed to talk about it. Yeah, it's like Fight Club. You don't talk about it. We realized the value of the war room.
The reason me and Andrew, this is a bit of a long story, the reason we always stuck together is we come from a place called Luton. It's a shithole town in England. But there's a very large Asian and Muslim community, and they taught us some very valuable lessons.
as young men. I knew a guy who was a lawyer, 50k a year, and he had a Ferrari. I said, "How do you have a Ferrari on 50k a year?" He said, "Well, me and my brothers, we all live in one house. We pay the mortgage of the house together. We're not paying rents to English people or to other Muslim people.
Our wives prepare the food. One of us is a lawyer, one's a doctor, one's an engineer, one's a dentist.
and we finance these cars together we work together and it was mine and andrew's teamwork that got us to where we are today now the war room yes it attracts young men who have something to learn it also attracts very high value intelligent individuals who me and andrew can work with the war room something that i i just am a member i guess of the world andrew created the worm i'm just a member but today three hours ago just before talking to you i was at the opening
of a casino here in book residence owned by me and my brother, the other half owned by a member of the war room who wanted to generate an income outside of the United States, you know, to make himself a bit less fragile. He joined the war room for, you know, whatever fee I guess he paid. And now he owns half of a casino here in Eastern Europe. We work with people from the war room. It's added so much value to my life.
in terms of the networking side of things. I mean, Mike Cernovich is a member of the War Room. You know, everyone who's a member has him on Telegram at any time. Sure, if you ask him a stupid question, he'll block you.
No doubt. But, you know, Mike Bolin, the guy who does this Mindset Squared podcast with him, is a multimillionaire real estate tycoon in Napa Valley. One guy joined the war room and pitched Mike Bolin about helping him out. And he now runs Mike Bolin's whole Airbnb business in Napa Valley.
He's changed his entire life.
A guy lives here in Romania and helps me and Andrew run our operations, and we met him through the war room. So it was a way of, I guess, without having more biological brothers to add to our network, if that makes sense. And so it's brought massive value to my life and my business exploits and everything else that I do. And my hope is...
Like with your books, you know, if you join the war room and just kind of read the chats and you don't utilize it. Sure, it's a waste of time. But a lot of guys join the war room and it has been life changing.
even for myself so i actually i thank my brother very much for so it's more of a networking situation for you in that case yeah i feel it my main money
Right now, it's from Webcam. Yeah, I figured as much. So just getting, I had a super chat here just a second ago. A guy wanted to ask about like, what was it? There it is.
Your thoughts on MGTOW monks now before I before I ask you that to answer that question.
I get what you're saying with respect to hypergamy. A lot of people want to say that, well, all Rollover talks about is hypergamy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, here's the thing is I think that a lot – first of all, I have tried to clarify that in several different videos on this channel. Just go look for hypergamy on this channel, and you'll see what I'm talking about. I've written several essays. I don't think anybody has written as much about hypergamy as I have.
push, I think, to guys going MGTOW, going month mode. They tend to conflate a lot of the nuts and bolts praxology that is red pill, and they try to apply it to whatever their practice is. And in this case, that practice is MGTOW. So MGTOW is a practice. It is not necessarily a praxology. Yeah, they understand what it is that the red pill has brought to the table for them, but then they take
their lifestyle is or whatever their particular fears are or whatever their particular, you know, what they think about themselves, what they think about the world, what they think about women. And so you're right in the sense that I think that a lot of guys will learn about hypergamy usually through me. And what they will do is they'll use that as their crutch or their cope. And so they said, okay, so that's why I'm MGTOW because hypergamy.
No, that's not what that means.
So, so here's the thing is like, I've always said, this is a hypergamy is not a straight jacket just because women are hypergamous and they are hypergamous and only women are hypergamous. Um,
Just because of that does not necessarily mean that you give up. All you're looking at is the parameters of the environment and the game that you are playing. How are you going to play that better? You can choose to play the game better because you have that understanding of that, or you can just simply fuck it and say, I give up. And that's the thing is I think that a lot of guys see that and they see hypergamy and they take it to the nth degree. They exaggerate it to the point where they think, okay, it's hopeless. Forget it. I'm out.
mode, which is what that last question was about. I think that the reason why guys use that, it's a convenient cope for these guys to justify doing what it is that they're doing. Now, of course, you'll see it right here in the chat too. Guys are saying, well, just because hypergamy exists does not mean that it's a death sentence, that it is like you're done and you should just give up. But I do understand what you mean. And I think it was not this weekend, but the first
February I'm gonna go on with Rich Cooper, Dr. Sean Smith and Dr. Dr. Glover, Robert Glover, and we're gonna discuss hypergamy.
And I think that a lot of the misconceptions of what hypergamy is or what it should, I should say, what it means to other guys is really an exaggeration of what it is.
So guys will say, well, I'm done. I'm doomed. I'm only five foot six and I don't, you know, that's never, you know, game's not going to help me. Hypergamy, hypergamy. Yeah, I understand. I get it. Why people would say that's like sort of shooting themselves in the foot.
They're using it as their rationale for not taking action, for not doing anything, for not being better, for not doing the work or becoming the best version of themselves, as Rich would say. But, yeah, I totally understand that. It doesn't in any way invalidate what the basic theory and the basic praxology of what hypergamy is. But you're never going to be able to tell these guys that.
going to tell him he's not going to be that way you're not going to you're not going to explain anything to him that's why i keep saying that unplugging guys from the matrix is dirty work and guys who are like guys will say well i can't get my friend to unplug or my guys my friend's blue pill how do i help him i say you know what the you know the red pill is like triage and you got to help the ones that you can help and then the ones that you can't you read last rights and move on to the next guy because those guys have to sort it out for themselves so question what do
quote unquote monk mode.
Well, I... Do you know what I mean? Do you know what that means? Yes, I do. I do know what it means. I know what it means. And I actually asked him, I only found out what it meant about two or three months ago. I asked on Twitter, I said, is this real? Like, I interacted with a few MGTOW guys. And the question I got...
If you really, really...
Do not think.
That having sex with women or being around women or having women in your life or women who care about you is something you want.
maybe I understand, but I also don't believe you. I don't believe that's not something that you want. And what annoys me the most is,
is people are always happy to gun for me when I insult the MGTOW community. I've done it on a few tweets and people are always happy to go for me. Oh Tristan it's easy you're a big strong millionaire kickboxing champion. Okay yes I am tall, yes I am tall but some of the some of the best guys that some of the guys who have really good game the Romanian guys who literally run girls, I'm not going to say any names but some of my friends here they're five foot five and they're
Every day, a new one every day. Yes, I am tall, but what else about me
Gave me some magical advantage over you. I mean, I got a shark tooth. My teeth aren't perfect. My nose has been broken. I was born into a poor family. I used to work at Subway Sandwiches.
I was skinny. Like the 18 years of professional fight training gave me my physique.
That wasn't given to me.
You know, my multimillionaire status, that was my mindset and mine and my brother's teamwork and hard work that gave us the multimillionaire mindset. Like what about this was given to me?
I can be a six foot four skinny dude living in my mother's house and believe me, I wouldn't get laid.
Like, it's easy to give up and point at people like me saying, oh, well, Tristan has it all. It's easy to get laid.
You're playing on easy mode, I hear.
Yeah, but I completed the game 10 times over. I've done things that you haven't done.
I've really, really put the work in to be who I am. So I believe, yeah, if you're myctosate, you haven't got the genetics I've got, you haven't got the brains I've got. I believe if you try hard enough, you'll find yourself one attractive enough girlfriend who does love you for who you are, and you can have regular sex. And believe me, it's better than a doll, because when you're sick, when you're in bed, feminine energy is a real thing. I really do believe in this. I'm not just a fuck 'em and leave 'em kind of guy, and I'm writing this in the diary that I'm keeping.
you know laying in bed for an hour after sex staring at her smelling her perfume
feeling her nails on the back of your neck. It's wonderful. If you're sick, you know, her bringing you tea and coffee and soup.
You know, massaging your shoulders, making, I mean, that's healing energy to me. I love women.
and i really think of your mig tau
You can do better. You really can.
you know you can do better i think that a lot of guys like i and this is something that's been going on really kind of in what we call the manosphere now for a very long time it was it's been going on at least as long as like say 2012 and there used to be these forms they well i think there's probably a new one now but there used to be like pickup art pua hate was one or then and that sort of like morphed into slut hate which was basically the same thing it was just on a
to collect together and they would like organize and they would find out who the grifters were, who the, who the PUA gurus were, and they would throw rocks at them and they would say, oh, this guy's a chump. They just basically, it was a forum so that they could kind of commiserate. And what these guys all shared in common was at one point, they wanted to do something better with themselves. They wanted to learn how to interact with women. They wanted to
they had and they were looking for answers and they, they tried what, you know, maybe they did, maybe they didn't. They tried these, these techniques, they tried following like real social dynamics or mystery method or whatever else was hot at that time. And they felt like they got burned and it's almost like they're got burned from an ex-girlfriend.
You know, like I tried to do everything for you. How come I tried everything you said? I tried to, you know, I jumped through the hoops you wanted me to jump through and it just, I didn't get sex. I didn't get, I didn't, you know, improve my life or anything like that. And I think that a lot of that, if not those same people,
a lot of that mentality still persists today in the manosphere with respect to MGTOWs. I think MGTOWs hate anything that is not MGTOW is PUA.
If it's as anything, and this is, this is a one, I, one thing I really want to talk about on rule zero at some point is this caricature of whatever is, uh, whatever you're against or whatever you think is, is against your lifestyle or the way your, your ego investments. So whatever doesn't align with what you think the world, how the world should work, that's PUA.
automatically a PUA and it's like me like everyone's oh you're a PUA I'm not PUA I've never been a PUA but um
But anything that does, there's like this, there's this caricature of like, whoever I hate is a PUA. It's like whoever I hate is Hitler, you know, kind of thing. And I think that those guys, they try that they try to get into maybe they try that one of the reasons I think that a lot of people like think you're full of yourself, or think your brother's full of himself, or think that you guys have an attitude or you're, you're, you're just full of shit, they want to see you fought, they want to see you fail.
They really want to see you fail. And you're probably not going to because you actually live the lifestyle and you do what you say you guys are actually doing. I think that's one of the reasons why I like to follow you guys is because you guys are really, really doing it. You know, this is what you're doing. And I, I think in, uh, in the sense of what can guys learn from you, I think there's, there's definitely some value in that because I know, and even in the chat right now, guys are saying, well, how come you guys got these guys? Why don't you go get Jocko Wilnick?
you know, real men of genius, you know, why don't you get these guys to come in? And I will. And I, if you guys want to go look at Aubrey Huff, that was a whole nother, a whole nother animal. And I plan on doing stuff like that. But one of the things that I think that these guys don't really
want to accept is that
Alpha looks different in a lot of different ways. So there's the guy who's the leader of his community and he's a church elder and he's got a great business and he votes Republican and he's a member of the city council or whatever. That guy, yeah, okay, maybe that guy's alpha. Maybe that's his mindset. And then there's the guys who run webcam businesses and they've got women that coming out their assholes because they're alpha too because it's that same energy. They just apply it in a different context.
What about monk mode? I think that I think that monk mode is is something I think if it's a brief period where you sort of collect your thoughts and you decide, OK, this is how I'm going to if you're reassessing your life, you have some insight about it. Great. But don't get stuck in that.
don't get stuck in in in you know in the mud don't don't spin your wheels um
I really don't think it's healthy.
No, I don't either. And I know that a lot of people like will give me shit and they'll say, well, Rollo just doesn't understand MGTOW. I'm like, no, dude, I do understand MGTOW. I understand that you, as far as I tell somebody proves me wrong. So somebody says something else or gives me a different definition. MGTOW to me is not making women the metric of your life, not using women as the, you know, the measuring stick for whether you're a successor or not, or whether you want to take that to the, like I said, MGTOW is a practice.
Some guys fuck dolls. Some guys don't. Some MGTOWs go and they'll date or they'll do whatever. But in all of those cases, the underlying foundation of all of that is that...
They don't make women
The foundation of life, which is something Royce has been saying for forever. Royce has said that as a, you know, make your mission, your priority and not your woman. Wow. Sounds a lot like mental point of origin, doesn't it? Sounds a lot like all this stuff I've been talking about. Go ahead.
With certain levels, like you said, base-level hypergamy, with certain levels, if you concentrate on yourself long enough,
and you really do want to be a better man, you will attract women. The world isn't one big CUA field where you have to walk over to every girl who talks to you.
that, you know, the girls will approach. I mean, I'm not even a good looking guy. I mean, you take, you know, I mean, I know guys in the manosphere on Twitter who are so handsome, women will just walk up to them. But it's not necessarily how they look. And I don't judge people.
based on how they want to live, which is very ironic because I'm always judged based on how I live. I know guys who have been happily married for 25 years.
And I'm like, wow, that's appealing even to me. That would be wonderful. You know, maybe if I change some aspects of my personality, I can get why that guy wants to live that way. Everything besides giving up on women.
I understand. And like you said, there are different types of alpha.
Not everyone can run around doing what I'm doing.
There simply wouldn't be
it would be carnage out there i get the guy you know mary virgin they marry their high school sweetheart they have a few kids
They love their family. They love their wife. They have as much sex as I do.
And they're very happy people.
I've got this live and let live attitude. I think just me and Andrew are seeing somehow –
by especially the MGTOW community,
I don't know, lucky. We're cheating. Somehow we've, you know, and they do come at me and they do insult me a lot. They're looking for chinks in the armor. They're looking for, they run my cars to see if my cars are stolen. They run the plates. Yeah. Well,
I had Twitter. I had at least at Aston. Like...
It doesn't make, like, they're just looking for something to attack with. It's very nasty, and that's what, I guess, shows me
that it's not natural to be without women. And it's not natural to completely cut yourself off from female interaction because the people who do, they seem to be very angry, Rollo. They really do. And I think they'd be a lot less angry if they, you know,
to put it bluntly, got their dick sucked every once in a while. Right. Well, I mean, that's one of the reasons why they have that fantasization, right? I mean, there's still, for all the guys who are quote unquote angry, and I've had a million people say, well, Rolo, you're just encouraging them to be angry. No, I'm not encouraging them. I'm encouraging them to look at their lives and have the insight and to use these tools to better themselves. And that's what I was going to get at is, you know, guys will say, well, Rolo, I'm five foot six, or I'm five foot eight or whatever. I can't get laid. You know, it's not game. It's looks, blah,
any other way to do that. I'm like,
To excuse why they're, you know, in the condition, the state that they're in. And so I've screwed. I'm done. I'm I'm I'm out. I'm not going to deal with this anymore. It's like, well, you're basically giving up, first of all, on, you know, first of all, on life, I would say. And then second of all is.
Just because you got into maybe the war room or you wanted to make yourself better, maybe you read my book, maybe you followed some PUA's, maybe you didn't, maybe you want to live some sort of better life. You'll be better off for having tried than for having not tried.
And so, so even if you are, even if you're like a five foot, six guys, only ever banged fours,
Well, what if you could be five foot six and bank sixes? Would that be, would that make things better for you? Would you, what if you have a, you know, you're not, maybe you're, maybe you're not going to get the eight, maybe you're not going to get the nine.
But would a six be an improvement on what it is that you've had before? Or like maybe you're a virgin and you've never had sex before in your life. Would it not be better for you to actually go and have sex and actually, you know, would that be an improvement on your state? We don't ask those questions because we want to. I think a lot of these guys would really like to just sort of, you know, commiserate with one another. I got a question here. This is from Tide Zio. She says she's I guess this is a she. Why do you sell crypto and Forex programs? Well, I don't.
- The short answer to that question is, I don't. I run my web cam models, I've done my casinos opening, I work within the war room very closely to a lot of guys there. I don't sell crypto and forex programs. The forex program actually, Andrew started, we're in a very unique position, you see.
A lot of people, and I think this is what gives Andrew a lot of credibility when it comes to selling anything. A lot of people are selling, I don't know, I can make you rich if you buy this, but their money comes from selling people that program. Does that make sense? Like I've been, you could look at my Instagram page, at Talisman Tate. You could scroll down five years and you could see five years ago. I mean, I wasn't as wealthy as I am now, but I was certainly, we were making a very, very good living before we started any of this.
The 4X program actually started because somebody was trying to pitch me
"Forex, oh you can grow your money on Forex." I said, "Can you?" He goes, "Yeah, buy my program and this and that." I looked at them, I thought, "This guy's a fool. This guy's a chump. Can you grow your money on Forex?" We hired three analysts to trade our own money, so now we let people piggyback that, and we have the best program out there. And it's very much when I said,
I'm burying the fantasists in the PUA world.
The Forex program was almost, I mean, it's not a huge earner for us. It was almost a challenge. There are all these people out there saying, oh, well, look, I'm in a five-star hotel. Bro, that's 200 bucks.
You're not impressing anyone. Oh, you make money on Forex. That's cute. I'll tell you what, I'm going to do it better than you.
And I'm going to provide a service that never loses. And I'm going to not make anyone sign non-disclosure agreements. And I'm going to let people post their results as much as they like. And like, I'm not going to--
shroud it in secrecy. Here you go. This is the 4X program that works. Boom. It's about shutting fantasists up. Very much like a few months down the line, my, let's call it a PUA or journal or diary is going to shut the fantasists up as well. That's, I guess, why the 4X started.
And it's a great program. It makes money. Try it for 10 days. Don't try it. I don't care. I've got webcam models. But, you know, if you're going to invest in a 4X program, you know, take Andrew, the self-made millionaire who put together his own team over the dude who's saying, yeah, trade 4X. Look, I'm in a nice hotel. I work from anywhere. Who's just a fantasist on Instagram taking stupid pictures with rented cars?
It's just shutting people up, Rolo. And that's something, maybe it's the fighter mentality in us.
that kind of pulled that out of a,
Me and my brother, now that we're retired, into a different sphere. But that was the basis of it. Some idiot told me that he could make me money trading Forex. I made myself money trading Forex. Then I started selling the program. Well, me and Andrew started selling the program to shut people like that up.
Simple as that. And my guys have no non-disclosure agreements. Twitter is full of it. Look how much money I'm making with Andrew and Tristan Tate. Just...
It's flexing, showing off.
That's why I do it. But there's plenty of money in webcam. And I've had, I mean, the Forex program has been on sale for 60 days, maybe 70. I don't know. It's Andrew's project.
but you know
Look at my Instagram. I've had money way before this.
Hence what gives us the credibility when selling anything.
Because we don't need your money.
in any way, shape or form. I'm happy to just increase my number of can girls, but the war room's great. I'm making money with the war room.
with all the projects I'm doing with the various guys I'm working with, that's making me a lot of money.
But these forex things and these crypto things, that's that's Andrew's side hustle just to shut people up more so than to make any money for himself. I asked your brother to ask you this as well. Do you see yourself having kids in the future?
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely, I do. And I'm going to, there are people in on my side of the fence, I guess, the red pill side of the fence who will disagree with the way I want to do it.
If a man had never read the rational mail,
And he got married. He had a six-year unhappy relationship and had two kids out of that six-year marriage. He got divorced, raped. He lost his money. He then went on to have another two kids and another –
eight-year marriage, and now he's in his last, his third and final marriage, and he has another kid. Say the guy's got five kids from three different women.
You look at this guy and you think, oh, that's okay. That's normal enough, you know.
He had his various families at various points. His marriages didn't work out.
When someone like me says something as brash as, yeah, I might just – I have three girls. I mean I have a few girls who are – I have girls who I'm with who were virgins when they met me, girls who are in love with me, girls who are amazing, wonderful people. I enjoy their company. I enjoy everything about them. They'd be amazing mothers. Cool. Might just have three or four kids at the same time with different women. I'm not going to – my kids aren't going to be broke.
I'm going to take care of them financially. I think a father can be a very good father part-time.
My father was certainly a part-time father. He was away playing chess all the time and cheating on my mama. So he was a part-time father and me and Andrew, you know, turned out as very successful people, despite, I mean, people can slate me all they like, but I simply don't care. But yeah, I may have a few kids.
simultaneously with a few women. It's certainly a plan I'm not acting on right now. It may be something I enact in a year or two years, but coming up one day soon, absolutely. I believe it's every man's duty in a way to have some kids. But I'm not going to follow – I'm not going to –
lose half of my net worth to some chick by getting married in the United States and having a family that way. I'm going to do it the Tristan Tate way.
And it's going to be effective and it's going to work for me. And I'm not advocating it for everybody. But when I do decide...
that it's time to have a family.
I will.
Hmm. Um, this is a really good, I got to throw this question out there. It says, uh, I fly says, what are men missing about woman's love today? You kept saying that, you know, you, um,
you enjoy having women around. You enjoy the feminine energy. So what do you think men are missing about women's love to gay? You know, I think the and here we go again, pornography.
and the way that everything is so sexualized, and men are almost measured on their success sexually with women,
More so than anything else, a lot of guys, as I said, the young guys are blinded with what I call the over digitalization of sexual relationships. It's all about getting laid. Oh, I fucked this girl. I fucked that girl. Like, that's the trophy. You know, if you're sick and you've got the flu and you're in bed, you know, I've got beautiful girls who who men would dream to have.
I know men would dream to have because they make tens of thousands of dollars a month.
from guys fantasizing about them on the internet. These girls have a very low sexual body count. Some of the girls, two guys, two previous boyfriends they had. I met them when they were 19. They now work for me.
And they will come...
look after me, massage my shoulders after I've had a hard day at training, the kind of stuff you can't get from men.
Unless you're a homosexual, you can't. I mean, I have my brother. I don't need companionship.
If I want to have a conversation, if I want to go on vacation, if I want to talk politics, news, sport, anything, I can sit down with my brother in this cigar lounge at any minute of any day.
But there are things women could give you that men simply can't.
and if you think it's just sex then you're missing out on a mass on a huge plethora of the human experience
And that's why I don't,
advocate or mix with or like or vouch for what I call women haters.
oh, they just want your money. And the guys who really hate women...
If anyone ever calls me a woman hater because of the way I deal with women and having multiple partners, I will stop them in their tracks.
I absolutely adore
Women I love female company and there are plenty of girls in the world and
who I'll say, "Hi, I'm Tristan." They'll know I have other girls and stuff who will say, "You know what, Tristan? I'm not interested in a man like you."
That's fair enough. That's their choice. But there are plenty of women who are interested in a man like me.
And I think this is what the MGTOW guys and the guys who...
don't quite understand women miss out on.
They think all the women want men like me and Andrew. They don't. Lots of women don't want me. Loads of women say no to me. I ask plenty of women out and they say, well, I heard about you. Actually, no, thanks. You're not my type.
You could be their type. You listening, MGTOW, Mr. Can't Get Lay, you could be their type. The loving, devoted guy who's never going to text another girl in his life. That could be you because it's not me.
So go out there and find her because you're missing out. That's what I think. All right. Here's another one. This is really good, too. And this is sort of a follow on to what you're just talking about here. Tristan and your brother, Andrew Tate, always had beautiful girls. But did anything change for your sexual market value when you reached a certain level of success? Oh, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, if anyone who's read the Rational Mail, women do look.
for successful men but not necessarily
because they want to get something from them. So I have a moral line I don't cross very much with, you know, my cars are rented. An insult that's thrown at myself and my brother a lot is, oh, you pay for your rent.
They're escorts, they're prostitutes that you're paying to hang around to. And I have a moral line I do not cross when it comes to prostitution. I don't pay for sex. I don't care who does.
I don't care if anyone listening does. I don't simply because of the business I run. I like to be on the other end of the thirst transaction.
I don't want a girl going home with the money I gave her to her pimp or boyfriend saying, hey, look, Tristan Tate gave me this.
I'm the guy who collects the checks.
So I don't pay for sex and I don't pay for women.
You do notice
When you've been poor, like I have, I worked in a Subway sandwiches. When I was 23, I was sleeping on my friend's couch. I didn't have money to put gas in my tank. My friend Peter looked after me, took me in. Really good guy, solid guy. You notice very quickly when you've gone from poor to relatively wealthy, not just the women,
But the people...
who want something from you.
So I've got a very good radar for that. The fact that I have money and free time gives me abilities a lot of men don't have. I can be more fun. I can go on a first date with a girl and say, you know what, let's just get my car and let's drive up to the mountains. Stay there for two days. Boom, five-star hotel. It's not spoiling them. It's just I have something more to offer. Women look for fun.
No woman is looking to get money from me. I mean, those women are very easy to spot and they don't get anything from me. So people say, oh, don't attract gold diggers. I always say, yeah, they don't get any gold, but I let them dig.
is a phrase that I use. But yeah, your market value does go up when you reach a certain level of success, but it's not just financial.
I'm smarter than I've ever been. I'm in better shape than I've ever been. I'm out more, I'm doing fun things. I've got cool cars that women wanna ride in, and a nice pool that they wanna swim in.
It's things like that, but you do have to keep your mind about you to look out for women and men.
and men.
who want something from me financially and you can take an advantage of. I've got a very good eye for that. And me and my brother have each other.
So,
One, one thing. Okay. So, and this is yet another follow on to this is a lot of guys will say this is that they will say that you can't learn alpha. You can't be more alpha. It's either you're either born that way or you're not born that way. And I think a lot of guys and you know, and I understand why there's this impression, but I think a lot of guys see you and they look at, I mean, right after my, my interview with Andrew, everybody says, well, he's a natural, right? He's naturally that way. He was raised.
was very much an alpha and he it's, it's genetic, right? You can't learn it. You're going to just be, if you're beta, you're screwed and you are, uh, it's a, it's a biological thing. And if you're biologically beta, then you're going to, you're going to be, you know, screwed for the rest of your life. Do you think that, and if, of course, you know what I believe, because if you read my book, you understand what I say about alpha is that it's a mindset and not a demographic. I think that, I think that there are natural proclivities for some guy. I think most guys are actually born
And they have that natural alphaness sort of crushed out of them by their upbringing, by their conditioning, by the things that they're led to believe. And so that that that natural kind of devil may care little kid who wants to be a little boy and go climb trees and be a badass suddenly has that sort of crushed out of him. But I've always said that, you know, alpha is a mindset and it's not a demographic.
only something that you're born with.
No, there is definitely, no matter who you are, room for self-improvement. Now, I don't have videos. I don't have photos. But there was once Skinny, I was probably a 5'11 kid, making Subway sandwiches. You know, I worked with a girl. What was her name?
Maria, I was in the French zone for a good six months. You know, she was dating older, more successful guys. I thought she was the best girl in the world. She worked at Subway sandwiches with me, some idiot chick. You're like, if you could meet that 17 year old kid and Rollo Tomasi could interview him, you think, ah, this game, he's just, he's just some kid.
You know, I love pretty girlfriends, essentially, but I wasn't born the person I was. It was a continual path of self-improvement. And it really was. And I'm sure when I'm 35, 36, I look back on myself now and I'll understand why, you know, what I worked on and what I changed. And yeah, as I said, my height is my height. I know that's a big thing for guys.
But it's not the all and end all. My height is luck. That is luck. But I know tall guys who don't get laid. I know loads of tall guys who don't get laid. It's –
Certainly, there's room for self-improvement, regardless of who you are. Maybe you can't be the archetype. You can't be the womanizer and the Casanova. Maybe you can. You could certainly do better than you're doing.
I can do better than I'm doing now. And I'm trying every day to better myself. So, yeah, there are certain things you're born with. It's nature versus nurture. But if you're not working on yourself, you need to not use excuses like that.
I think one of the, and I've written at least two different essays about this is that I think that there's a myth of the natural. I think a lot of guys see like everybody knows a guy like this. Probably your brother was very much like this as well. We know a guy who was just lucky with the girls or girls just like, because he won the genetic lottery or he looks the way he does, or he's built the way he's naturally, maybe he's a mesomorph or whatever. Maybe he's naturally muscular or whatever. It naturally has that attitude.
genetically he's an alpha male. But the thing is, is if that guy doesn't believe that about himself, if he doesn't fit into that, if he, if the, if the personality is not congruent with like the way the guy looks or the way we expect that guy to look or expect him to, to talk and to hold himself and to, you know, to have that sort of alpha presence, I guess, then there's an incongruency right there. So you can take a really buff guy, you know, really buff guy. And, and, you know,
and you put them in like a woman's dress,
then that's an incongruency, right? I mean, because, well, he's, he's alpha in any other context, but now we put him in a woman's dress. Well, that's because there's an incongruency there. So it's not just about the biological aspects of it. It's also about your, your social, socialization, culturization. Yeah. And the one trait, actually, it's not physical size or physicality. The one trait that I think makes someone an alpha more so,
than a non-alpha.
The one trait that I would say that I have, my brother has, and it was certainly honed, it was certainly learned,
is
A huge amount of self-respect.
You know, a woman will leave me. I get left. I have lots of different girls. I get caught cheating. Girls leave me. I will not be.
on my knees begging i maybe when i was 17 i didn't quite get this you know i'm like now now i get it's all about self-respect that's what an alpha means to me because if you do get the girl back
through your begging and your scheming and your crying, you're going to be in a relationship where she doesn't respect you.
And I think the way you handle breakups, the way you handle rejection, that's more alpha than anything.
Because there's no man that every woman on the planet wants. I talk to lots of women who reject me and don't want me. You have to, you know, a girl will say I have a boyfriend. I'll say, you know what? He's a very lucky man to have a girl like me.
It's nice to handle that aspect of things for me that makes someone an alpha.
Because like I said, I know big strong guys who will sit on webcam
All day crying their eyes out about how their girlfriend left them. To my models for money. And these guys are 10 times more handsome than me or anyone that I know.
So yeah, it's something,
that you certainly need to learn and work on, but it's a level of self-respect. That's what I think
Anyone can learn and work on you have to be ready to walk away from the table. Yeah, yeah, I agree that gives you the I guess the persona that um,
the office have. So we're getting, we're getting down to the last like 15 minutes here, but I want to definitely, I got a few rapid fire questions here for you. The first one, I, although I think we were talking about this off air before we came on, you wanted to say something about what you think of the porn industry and my, um,
my question maybe to start this this this side of the conversation is this is do you think that men can become addicted to pornography because about two weeks ago three weeks well actually it was right around christmas time there was a sort of uh i guess a moral crisis in the manosphere about like whether or not like i think it was gab gab decided that they were going to ban pornography on their on their platform and everybody that you had to sort of take sides it was either uh you were
porn or whatever, but everybody wants to say that there is an actual, like porn rewires your brain. I still say the jury's out on that, but a lot of people will say, and maybe there's some good evidence to that. But do you think there is such a thing as a porn addiction? And what is your overall take on pornography? My overall take on porn addiction is this. I know things that most people don't. I was reading these conversations. I was reading Twitter blowing up, and a lot of people didn't quite know what they're talking about.
I will put my reputation on the line. There is no such thing
As a porn addict,
who doesn't also have a heavy obsession with a particular porn model, webcam girl, or actress. I'm not going to drop names, but there's a porn actress who I...
I know, I know, I meet her, I met her a few times and whatever, but it's the obsession with the girl.
that is actually the addiction. I'm telling you, these porn girls, their Instagram inboxes, their Twitter inboxes are filled with guys cutting themselves, guys painting their pictures of them on their wall. It's heavy obsession with the actual models themselves.
I don't know.
I don't think there would be a guy out there who's heavily addicted to porn who is completely, completely, what's the word, numb to who the model is in the video.
Just any porn. Oh, I like anal porn. I like this kind of porn. I like big tits porn. And he's just mad about the video images. It comes. It's always coupled with a heavy obsession with a particular model or two. And I know this as an industry insider. I've seen it happen. And I know it like no one else on Twitter does. So I'm telling you, that's what porn addiction is. It's an obsession with the girl that they deem to be perfect.
activist Twitter girls who will never get naked on cam. They have their obsessors as well, giving their money and that's their dream girl. So for some reason, because
I'll say right now, and I'm sorry if any of my friends, any of the girls who I know who shoot porn are watching. Girls who shoot porn...
aren't keepers.
They're really not. They were usually mentally damaged before going into porn. My webcam models would never do porn.
in a million years, what go ride two or three new dicks every single day, always taking these STD tests. It's a horrible industry to be in.
These women are mentally damaged. And if you see these women as some kind of archetype woman, like that's the perfect girl because she'll do this sex act or that sex act, you wouldn't want to be around them for very long.
And just take my word on that. So it's an obsession with the female, Rollo. And no one can convince me otherwise, because I've seen it from an angle that most haven't.
Do you think – is it mostly single guys, young guys that you're talking about, or is it mostly those guys who get addicted, or do you think it's more married guys? It's a mix. It's a mix. With the younger guys, it is the digitalization of sex. Even the girls, they used to fancy in school. They used to write on Facebook. They never talked to them face-to-face. I mean those guys get – those guys are almost entrapped by the way society –
kind of led this with their smartphones and their tinder and their facebook and their myspace and whatever it was that they were talking to their girls on they don't know how to have the real world interaction the older guys you know maybe they feel like they missed out i've seen it they're married their wife won't do x y and z and some of them will say things so brash so crazy online like oh i shouldn't have married my wife i should have married a girl like you
as though they had a chance with that girl who may belong to my brother or myself. Like, they had no chance of marrying that chick. It's just an obsession with either the sexual side of things or the fact that the women really care about them, like we were discussing earlier.
So, yeah, porn fans become obsessed. How would – okay, so look, I 100% agree with that. I've seen that kind of –
really self-sacrificing dedication. And again, this is, I think this is sort of unique to the male nature because again, we, we tend to approach love from an idealistic perspective. That's why you get guys who will say, well, I should have married you instead. Gosh, if only we would have had to do over again, if we would have met, I, I know you've heard this before. I've read this before. I think this is one of the most pathetic blue pill things I've ever heard. Cause I see this on Facebook is guys will say, um,
that, uh, I wish, I wish I would have met you sooner. So we would have had more time together, honey. Like they'll, they'll, they have these declarations of love to their, you know, that they, I've seen this, like, it's almost like these little motivational little memes that they put on Facebook and they say, uh, the only thing I wish was, was different as if we would have met each other like 10 years earlier or 20 years earlier. And I'll, I hate to, I hate to break it to you, man, but if you had, she wouldn't have that had anything to do with you because you were not what
where she was at in her life at that point right there. And I hate to break that fantasy, but that's what it is. And the reason I'm bringing that up is because that's a really good illustration of, um, of the idealization or the idealistic nature of guys. Um, uh, when they, when they approach love, how they want to be loved. They, I think a lot of guys and maybe in you being in this industry, and there's my next question for you is, um,
Thank you.
that idealistic nature. I think that a lot of guys believe that they could have that,
that they want to have something like that. I hear this a lot. I hear guys, and this is one of the reasons why I have come down really heavy on one-itis and the soulmate myth, is because I've heard guys say this, I want somebody who loves me as much as I love them. I want a woman who loves me just as much as I love them. They believe that their idealistic approach to love is
shared by women.
Now, do you see that like in your line of work, do you see sort of that is what keeps them on the hook because of that ideal, that idealistic nature? And do they actually, do you think that these guys actually believe or is it, or is this just fantasy? Do you think that they actually believe that they have a chance that they could get with that girl?
And I believe my industry is very damaging in this way. And I'm happy. I know this talk is not going to damage my bottom line. It's not going to damage how much money I'm making. So I'm happy to put it out there for the guys who like you, respect you, and respect you not to sit and listen to our conversation. I'll put it out there right now. My industry is damaging because we reel people in.
Even if you were to message your favorite porn star on Instagram, there's a good chance she'll reply to you.
She may well reply, "Here, give me a thousand dollars. I'll make a custom video and I'll say your name." "Oh, you're actually really cool. Oh, I quite like you. Oh, a picture of your dick. That's nice." The girls aren't interested in seeing pictures of your dicks. Like, but my industry sells this illusion to the point where men will bring it into the real world. They'll send unfiltered pictures of their penis to girls who've never met them on Instagram, thinking, "Well, you know, that girl in Romania really liked it when I sent her a picture of my dick."
No, she didn't. No one did. Like, we're laughing at you in my office. It's a big fucking joke. So, yeah, men are... They'll let themselves be taken in by this fantasy because it's a lack of understanding of female thinking. Any woman...
even me that i'm dating and i like can send me a naked picture of herself yeah that made my day
But I know no woman wants to see a picture of my fucking genitalia. Not really. So men who don't understand how women think are very happy to just think it's equal. You know? Right. A picture of herself naked. That's cool. I'll send her a picture of my dick. No. No. Women don't really want to see pictures of your penis. That's a very baseline example of what you're talking about. Oh, man. The love and the interaction and, you know.
They pretend to care.
My webcam models do care, but it's very maternal. And just because they do get sexual eventually and get their tits out means nothing.
to the woman but i think they'll buy into the fantasy very easily yes a lack of understanding females exactly i was just about to say that is that it's this fundamental lack of understanding of how women well first of all women's nature but also like how women operate what turns a woman on not your dick pic like she can send you i i pat campbell and i have talked about this before is sort of like the paradox of the dick pic it's like you a woman can send you like pictures of her tits
but this is exactly what I've been talking about with respect to a blank slate equalism guys default and women default to this idea that men and women are just the same. So if, uh, if she sends me a hot picture of her naked and that turns me on,
Well, then I'll send her a picture of my dick and that'll turn her on. No, men and women are different. It's people like me that you have to blame for that because we're giving these guys this false impression.
We're reeling them in and we're playing the game. Well, and that's why you and I are talking right now. And we're coming up here in the last eight minutes, but I, I, I, a lot of guys are going to say, well, why, why are you giving this guy airtime? Why are you talking? Well, you should be talking to Jocko Wilnick, you know, you should be talking to, to Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan. And I'm happy to talk to them as well. But like, unless you guys hear this, unless you guys understand what it is that, that Andrew and Tristan do, and not just these guys, there's other guys besides you that
this as well what how are you being manipulated and i think a lot of guys don't realize that they are because they want to believe in that idealistic fantasy which is exactly what you're saying before exactly
I got this other question right here. I got to throw this one out there. It says, Al says, going from poor to rich, how has interactions with people changed with you now that you have money?
Well, I realized actually it taught me a lesson. It taught me a very big lesson.
From my father's chess playing and from being in a fight world when I was broke, I used to think being around the rich people was a good idea when I was broke. So you'd be around millionaires and you think, oh, maybe there's some money for me somewhere. They'll give me something to do. They'll give me some job. They'll give me some tasks. They'll give me...
um i've learned
from being rich and seeing those people try to be around me that if you're not providing value to somebody whether they be rich or poor if you're not providing some sort of value to somebody no one's going to help you out with with anything and it is and
the i guess the from porter rich how i've dealt with people i'm going to tell you a story actually uh should take no longer than two minutes a guy who i've known 15 years
I hadn't seen him in about nine years. Obviously, now I'm living the way I live. Everyone wants to hang out with me. He came, got in my car at the airport, and I said to him, I said, Dan, one rule is,
Don't mess with my women. Don't upset them. Don't talk to them. Don't say anything negative. They're not just my girlfriends. They are my business.
Don't do it. And one night after getting drunk, he was telling one of my girls, I don't think Tristan respects you very much. I kicked him out of the country. He never spoke to me. And I can't speak to him again. When you have that level of success, you actually realize who's a snake and who isn't. And it's sad because I've lost a lot of good people, but you have no choice.
You have to cut them off. And that's the saddest thing about becoming financially successful. But I always have my brother. And I've got my guys in the war room now who I work with. And that's it. That's interesting, too. I know a lot of guys have had, well, at least in the red pill side of things, have had that experience with other guys. I know I have. I know that I have been, well, of course, I've been either business partners with people or I've been working for someone else who's,
whose understanding of women or I, I, I, this took me a long time to really educate myself and understand this is that there are certain people who you don't work with simply because they are too blue pill or they, because of their, their approach and their understanding, their idealistic nature about whatever it is, whatever they believe about women ends up being a liability to you. And it ends up being a liability to your business and, uh, and then just, and your friendship as well. So you get guys just like what you're saying before. It's like,
Accept that what you do for a living is, you know, your cam rerun cams, or this is how you interact with women in your lifestyle. And those are the guys. It's sort of like that sneaky little male feminist shit where it's like, well, he doesn't respect you. I would respect you. I would be a much better boyfriend for you if you don't, you know, that kind of stuff like that, kind of like underhand. Like I was trying to poach your girl by trying to, in some way, I run what I call blue pill beta game, which is I got to identify with this girl and tell her that I would be the one to whisk her away.
her from this horrible situation. If all she would do is just, you know, run away with me. I also wanted to drop this one in there too, because I know you were talking about girls who did porn before and are just simply not keepers. They're not somebody that you want to be associated with, you know, at least in the long term. I, every, every like three years, maybe five years, somewhere three to five years, somebody sends me a story.
about a girl getting out of porn and she finds Jesus and she goes and she marries the youth pastor or something. And they go and they start their own ministry. And it's very reaffirming, I think, for the girl, because I think that in a sense, that epiphany phase, what I call the epiphany phase is something that these women have to go through, but they also have to have it validated. And religion is one of the ways that they have it validated for themselves.
I mean, do you, let's just throw this out as a question. Do you think that women are sincere when they want to live a better life? They want to be something different than what they were before. I see it as pure opportunism and the porn industry is a horrible one. The webcam is a sustainable income. A girl could become eight. She could turn 18, start webcam until she's 35, buy three houses, rent two out, live in one, have one or two sexual partners her entire life and set herself up financially.
The porn industry is not like that. It will chew you up and it will spit you out. And when girls get spit out, that's when they find Jesus. That's when they're opportunistic. You never find a girl at the height of her career making the $2,000, $3,000, $5,000 per shoot.
where she says, you know what? Actually, now I love Jesus now. I'm going to marry this guy. Never happened.
It's opportunism. First, they get a boyfriend who doesn't like them doing it. Then they switch to lesbian only porn. That's always the first move. Then their value in the industry plummets. Then they're a nobody. Then they have no money. They can't get any jobs. Then they end up marrying this dude and pretend it was some big revelation. It's pure opportunism. And you knew that already. I know that. Well, it's the epiphany. I think a lot of women, I think that that is a common, you don't have to be a porn star to go through your epiphany phase. I mean, that's, I think a
like say 18 till about, you know, 28 years old, that 10 year period right there where they, they, they, you know, it's their party years. If you, you haven't read my second book yet, so you don't know what the party years are, but in the second book, I have like a timeline of what guys can expect from women at varying stages of their life. Like, like from like say 18 till they're 26 or 28, and then from 28 to 32 or 29 to 31 is my epiphany phase. And then,
And as soon as I have some experience with women who are like 50, 60, 70, I might extend that, but we'll see how that works out. But it's very predictable. And a lot of guys, and the reason I asked you that is because I'm always put on the spot about this. When I'm talking about the epiphany phase and women, like you said, they want to get out of the porn industry or they want to turn over a new leaf. They want to get right with God. They want to live a different life.
I need to find long-term security. I need to find a guy who's going to be a good bet for the future, who's better at providing. It would be nice if he was hot and fun and horny and he was a good guy, but I need a guy who has some benefits. And that's when those priorities kind of change. And it's not that they aren't genuine about that because guys will say, well, don't you think that they really want to do that? Don't you think that they really want to get out of porn?
yeah i'm sure they do but just exactly what you said is it's always at the same time it's always between 29 and 31 years old when they're getting out of the industry i've had them try to settle down i mean not necessarily porn girls but girls who are past but you're calling the party years try to settle down with men like me and i see it and i read these stories about these people who've married women like that and it all went nuts and all went crazy and they said women like that are
They're not best avoided. I've had wonderful weekends with women, the same type of women who have ruined men's lives. I've had wonderful weekends with them.
But like I said, you have to be man enough to know that that's all it's going to be about and walk away, despite how beautiful they are. You have to see the damage and you have to analyze what you're actually dealing with. And that's why me and Andrew have never been.
divorce raped or burned in any big way. I think we check on each other and we have this very good analysis of the situation. Part of that comes from us.
being poor and then being rich and being able to scope what people really want from you. But yeah, you don't need to avoid these women.
That's a lot of people preach. Oh, well, if a woman used to be a stripper or if a woman's this, avoid them and whatever. That really famous Romanian girl I was talking about.
She left her husband to date me. She has a kid.
so she was a let's call her a single mother yeah these guys who say oh avoid single mothers
Every single one of them would chew off their left arm to have a night with that woman. Google her. Her name was in here earlier, Bianca Dragushano. 10 out of 10. Beautiful. Beautiful.
These men would chew off their nuts to have a night with her, but they didn't preach this blanket proposal like, you know, you have to live your life this way. Women like that are best to be avoided. No, I had a wonderful two months with that girl.
two months and that was it. I wasn't going to marry her. She's older than me. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the, that's really sort of the rule of thumb too. I, Rich, Rich, Rich talks a lot about like, you know, reasons to avoid a single mother, but it's not like don't have sex with her. Don't have a good time with her. It's just don't settle down with her. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. All right. So we're, we are at the two hour mark. I'm going to end this, but I got to ask one last question. And this is sort of an oddball question. What,
Can you tell us one thing that would surprise us about your brother?
or people's impression of what he is. My brother is, I don't know if that would surprise you,
My brother is one of the most intelligent people
that you will meet.
Now, I know people are very easy to say, oh, Andrew and Tristan Tate, they're idiots, or they're stupid, or they're tall, so they get women on webcam. So to go from literally living in a homeless shelter when we were 11 and 12 years old.
to become multimillionaires, titans of our industry,
takes a certain level of cunning, a certain level of intelligence that very few men have. Andrew is one of the smartest, loyalist, kindest people.
you'll ever meet.
Andrew would sooner burn all of our cars and our houses to the ground than stab me in the back in the slightest way. And that goes with me and his closest friends. Yes, he comes across as an asshole. Yes, I come across as an asshole. I am an asshole. I'll be an asshole to some of you guys watching if you approach me in the street. I'll tell you to fuck off. Yeah, I'm rude. But we are really kind, really genuine, really generous people. Yeah.
And I think when the War Room Summit happened actually in Romania, that was a big awakening for a lot of guys on Twitter because I had some of the most valid guys.
in the red pill i was sitting on my couch with uh mike cernovich bobby dino ivan thrown alexander quarter they're all sitting around my couch smoking cigars and drinking whiskey with me and stuff and they left romania and they said wow these guys one they really are living the life that they say
So I've got credible people vouching for me too. Wow. They're such nice people.
Guys,
That would surprise people.
how nice my mother really is for the genuine that's kind of that's great
Cool. Cool. Okay, guys, we're going to we're going to break now. Tristan, this has been fantastic. I have like learned a lot about, you know, I always see your tweets and I don't think I've ever really engaged with you. And this is the first time it's been great, man. I love it. We got to do this again. I want to do this. I want to get you and your brother on for like to talk to you both at the same time at some point.
talk together for this for 2020. So in case anybody was wondering, they're all like this one, I'm sure that we're, I'm looking at the view count right now. It's really great. And it's always a good
conversation with you and your brother. So, um, is there, I'm, I'm going to do a little bit of housekeeping right here, but before I do, is there anything you want to plug anything you want to let everybody know before we go? I think in particular, uh, my brother obviously has his website, www.cobratake.com. Um, he teaches how to run a webcam studio, which is something if you've listened to this for two hours, I think I don't know what I'm talking about. And by all means, you know, don't buy into it. But, uh, we have a lot of guys within the war room who we
tens of thousands of dollars a month using exactly the same business model we did. Every product on cobratake.com, including the war room, I will happily vouch for. My brother is a very smart guy and he's got a lot to teach you.
Um,
Besides that, you know, if you feel like
going on the internet and paying some webcam girls to get naked, please do that. I appreciate the- Please do, yeah. Support the cause. I'm not going to plug my individual models.
But I just want to say that I'm now a quarter of the way through your book. I do audiobooks because I drive a lot. I haven't got the time to zone out. And, you know, Rolly, you're a very smart guy, and I'm very happy that I –
could sit down with you. Yeah, this has been, this has been nice. Um, so guys, I am going to be, uh, I'm not going to be on with Pat Campbell tomorrow. Um, it's just so, you know, just briefly, I'll, I'll let you guys know why I'm not, but it, nothing's wrong. Everything's cool, but, um, just can't work it out this week. So I won't be on with Pat tomorrow. I also will not, I'll be on solo on Sunday by myself as well. Um, rule zero will be happening on Saturday. Um, it will be myself. I'll
730 a.m. Eastern Time. It'll be myself, John, Troy, and possibly Carl. We might have one other special guest that I'm trying to work out for that show, but that will be going off at 1130 a.m. Eastern Time. Tristan's just one of many. I've got some new guys that I am going to be doing sort of an interview series, kind of trying to expand a little bit beyond what we know of as
just who we wouldn't necessarily associate being like with the mass very red pill or this. So Aubrey Huff is one of those. I also talked to Andrew Hales. If you guys have not seen that, that is on his channel. I was a well, well, I mean, I was with him for like well over two hours, but I think it's only like an hour and 15 or an hour and a half interview. If you haven't seen that, it's getting a rave review. So go check that out as well. And that's it.
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