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What's up, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls around the world? I would like to welcome you back to the Real Talk with Zuby podcast. Now, if you guys have been following my podcast for a while, you may remember that way back last year, I think it was episode number four, I had on Andrew Tate, kickboxing champion and the king of toxic masculinity. Now, who better to kick off 2020 with?
other than his younger brother, Tristan Tate. Now, I want to give him a shout out because he's joined onto this podcast at really late notice. But here he is with me right now. What's up, Tristan? How are you doing? I'm very good, Zuby. First of all, it's very nice to finally meet you. I've never met a female British athlete weightlifter who holds all the records before. So I'm super starstruck.
Again, I think it's one of those things that was just meant to be. I put out on my Twitter account yesterday, I believe, that I was looking to do more podcasts in 2020. Because I was very much the brother. We work as a team, but I'm the guy behind the shadows, behind the cloak in the shadows. So I'm putting my face out there more. And at the very last minute, literally 10 minutes ago, I got the messages from you saying, do you want to be on the podcast? So yeah, I'm delighted to be here. And here I am. Awesome, man. So for people who don't know you, aren't familiar, are listening for the first time,
Describe yourself. How would you introduce yourself?
Well, if you know Andrew Tate very well, I am his younger brother. Essentially, we grew up together. We're both products of the same father. So I enjoy chess. I'm a chess player. I'm a kickboxer. I was the European champion, not the world champion, until a car crash actually damaged my left shoulder about three years ago, which permanently retired me from fighting. But again, businessman, self-made millionaire. Me and Andrew made very sure to get our collective net worth over $2 million
because there's two of us. So we don't like to pretend or talk BS about our own achievements. So yeah, businessman, millionaire, kickboxer, champion. I like cars, girls, chess, books, all sorts of things. I like to keep my life multifaceted. That's awesome, man. And just before we started rolling, you told me that you're in Romania right now, but you've actually been on the road for the past couple months. So tell us what you've been doing.
Yeah, well, I made a miscalculation. I decided when the Romanian winter comes, typically it snows quite heavily and I can't use my cars. So I booked a trip to Dubai on the 5th of November around about when the winter starts. It's been an extremely mild winter. It's been nine or 10 degrees centigrade this entire time, but I still fled my own country and I do love it here. I was in Dubai for three or four weeks, I believe. Then I flew over to Austin, Texas to hang out with Alex Jones from Infowars. I don't know if...
your listeners are fans of him or not fans of him. But I'll tell you what, a really, really great guy, eccentric. We sat there, talked history. He was very interested in the history of Romania, which I know very well. I'm not Romanian myself, but I have lived here years. I read books on the history of Romania because I just like to know things. So me and Alex Jones had a really great time. And then I was on my way to England to purchase a new car, but my cousin wanted to
Belgium, Germany, up to Sweden, down to the Czech Republic, over to Slovakia, down to Hungary and back home to Romania. It took about two weeks on the road, but it was a really good experience. And it's very humbling to know that that's the kind of thing that a lot of guys do once in a lifetime.
road trip through Europe and some of the world's nicest cars and it's something I can do anytime I like which is I'm really grateful for that. That's awesome man. And what was it like meeting Alex Jones? I mean, I was in Austin a couple of months ago, and I was actually invited onto his show and I was like, I was in two minds about it. I wasn't I wasn't sure I was like, man,
Like there are very few people
who I would like
hesitate to talk to or go on their show or whatever. And kind of on my own part, I didn't really
I didn't really care, but he's like one of the only people
one of the few sort of like big names out there where I was like,
ooh, like I don't know because I don't watch his show. Like he's one of those people like,
I've seen little clips of stuff and I do think he's funny. You know, he plays this character. I think it's funny, but I know that he is like
you know, a lot of people are controversial, but he's like considered
really controversial yeah he's an eccentric he's an eccentric and being on his show um there's always this fear if i'm associated with alex jones am i going to get banned as well exactly now i wasn't on the show so i just got to hang out with him for dinner and i'll tell you what
My father was an American. My mother was English. I left the United States when I was seven. So I feel very foreign when I go there. I don't sound like an American. But I am an American in a way. I do want what's best for the country. And love him or hate him, nobody loves the United States more than Alex Jones.
Nobody does. He really does. He's a true patriot. He really loves his country and he has the best of intentions. And I spent the evening having dinner with him. Just a really sharp, funny, smart individual. The only episode, I don't really watch podcasts, the only episode of any real podcast I ever watched go out live.
was when Alex Jones, when Joe Rogan had Alex Jones on his show. The second one?
Yeah, the second one after their argument. So... That's the best podcast of all time. Yeah. But what that does show is that Alex Jones is a very well read, intelligent individual. And that very much comes off when you meet the guy. Yeah. Do you know what? I watched that podcast.
after
I had the opportunity to be on the show. And you know what, if I'd watched it beforehand, I think I would have gone on. Yeah, because then, yeah, because he's one of those people who, because I don't follow because I don't really follow him. A lot of what I've heard about him. I mean, this goes for a lot of people, you know, you hear secondhand and thirdhand information. Yeah.
And I didn't really have a clear picture. I wasn't in Austin for that long. And so I was like, I just kind of didn't, I didn't really reply. I was like, let me, let me think about it.
But then the time kind of ran out. And then a couple weeks later, I actually watched that whole
five hour podcast or whatever with Rogan, and kind of got a better picture.
of him and where where his head's at where his heart's at and everything and i was like you know what in hindsight i think i would have done it um yeah
Yeah. I got the impression that he puts a lot of energy in his heart and soul into his shows. Oh yeah. When I met him, he was with his current wife, a producer who works on his show. My brother and I, we sat down, had steaks and it was not as intense as I thought it would be. Andrew was spending time with him in the studio. I was just hanging out at the hotel. Me and my brother, we like to travel together. Security reasons, call it paranoia. And what else am I going to do? Sit here in Bucharest by myself in the snow.
after the show. But my brother was
doing it, which is always a slight worry, because if you affiliate yourself with Alex Jones, are you safe? But Andrew's not safe anyway. As you know, he's been banned multiple times. I've been banned because of him, because after he first got banned, we had a joint account, and he got me banned. So I'm not even allowed on Twitter.
So it's silly, man. I don't because I mean, I was I wasn't I was really conflicted about it because I don't want to I stand very much against this whole.
if you talk to somebody who talked to somebody who talked to somebody that therefore you totally
agree with all of their words and actions and everything that they've ever done. Like I really stand
against that whole kind of mentality so in one way i was like man like i really
In one way, I really want to do it just to be like,
I like screw you guys, but at the same time, I know that the,
whether or not stuff is true, the sort of amount of heat around him, especially, you know, after he got kicked off of every single platform, you know, if you if you go on Facebook, and
you mention him in a positive way they delete the post. Yeah they do. Like stuff like that. I was like that. Mind blowing. Yeah yeah. I was like if it's that crazy like I don't
I don't know if I'm yet at a level in my career
where I can kind of, you know, I mean, if I'm at that stage where it's like, okay, whatever, then it's cool. But I'm like, man, I'm still kind of,
I'm up and coming here. I don't want to, you know, I need to kind of weigh this up a little bit. But next time around, if I'm in Austin, then I think I'll just be like, ah, screw it, let's do it. I know what you mean. I mean, my association with Alex Jones and people like this, I have no fear.
of getting axed because i don't really as i said the the tate empire the the tate
let's call it, I don't know what you want to call it. Take enterprises, whoever me and Andrew are, I'm very much the behind the scenes guy. Andrew's the face of the internet side of things. I'm the guy down at the studios and doing everything that we're,
doing behind the scenes. So I don't care if I get axed on,
What are you going to do? Delete my... I like my Instagram, actually. I like my Instagram, but I need that for various reasons.
Besides Instagram, which doesn't host any of my opinions anyway, I don't care what they asked me from.
Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, you know, it's not the end of the world getting deplatformed off of something, but we also can't pretend. I mean, in this day and age we live in,
I think it's also disingenuous to pretend like it's totally nothing.
If you've got a big account, 100...
30, 20,
50, 100,000 followers, million followers,
and you can't reach them,
and you can't join in and participate in these conversations and stuff, then that's...
That's pretty serious. And I do think it was super unfair what they did with him and what they've done with a few other people.
I mean, you've got people on Twitter, on Instagram, you've got people who have killed people. You've got people who have raped people. You've got like, you've got the worst of the worst. Yeah, you've got terrorists on there. You have literally terrorists on Facebook and Twitter and stuff. So I'm like, okay, so...
They can, they're cool.
Yeah.
This guy said you disagree with and so you permanently banned them?
When my friend, Alexander Cortez, I'm not sure how familiar you are with him. I know Alex, yeah. He's a close friend of mine. And when he got banned, I think he actually got banned for inciting violence against people
Pedophiles. Yes, probably the only group in the world that people should collectively incite violence towards with a smile on their face and everyone should be in agreement. But apparently that's an orientation now. You know, in England and America, not over here. Apparently that's some sort of orientation now. So you can't, you can't even, you can't even say
the level of justice you think should be brought to them, which is mind blowing to me. And that's very much a reason me and Andrew
couldn't live in the West anymore. I understand why people do live there. I mean, I've only got my mom there and I'm fortunate enough to be able to fly her out
you know anytime i want anytime she has some free time however
People are there with these big family networks. They can't just uproot and leave the way me and Andrew did, but...
I mean, I couldn't go back. I wouldn't go back. It's gone absolutely insane over there. Yeah, I did have this conversation with your brother. He was really talking about why he left and everything.
What is it that you're most...
You personally, when you say that you couldn't come back to the UK or to the US, you're
What specifically do you mean by that? Because I'm sure there's going to be, I have some inclination as to what you mean, but I think there'll be a lot of people listening to this thinking like,
man like
The UK and US is where it's at. Why would you say something like that?
Well, it depends very much on the type of life that you live. Especially now, me and Andrew have a very anti-fragile life. I could be in the UK. I could say,
anything I wanted and it couldn't really, I guess, harm what I do business-wise, my main business. But when I left, I decided to leave the UK over five years ago when I was
quote, unquote, a regular person. I was making money. I was doing well. However, if I said something people don't like and my boss was contacted,
I could lose my job. And that could be something as...
as light as, you know, I think
There are only two genders. Nowadays, that's how crazy it's become. And it's a society where if you aren't completely anti-fragile, if you don't have millions in the bank, you're detached.
from the entire system. I mean, they can close down your bank accounts now.
You can't even have a bank if you have the wrong opinions. Now, none of that exists.
in, it's not just this country, there are plenty of countries. I mean, you lived in Saudi Arabia for a while. I mean, there are countries that simply do not tolerate that kind of thinking.
Eastern Europe is slightly different from, I guess, the Muslim world because
you're free to think,
whatever you like, and nothing is right or wrong. There is no hard force coming down on you for having the wrong opinions because that was the way it was here up until 30 years ago. And the people remember that and they don't want it back. That's very true.
and they don't want it back. Yeah, I think that's really interesting. I mean, I'm a big fan of Central and Eastern Europe in general.
Because I think it's a good sort of happy medium.
You know what I mean? It's like you've got most of the freedoms and liberties of things of Western Europe and the US and the UK.
Yep. But it's not
It's not...
too far gone. It's like in the UK and US now, like you're saying it's too far gone that way.
And then of course, you know, someone who grew up in Saudi Arabia, spent time in the Middle East. It's like.
Okay, that's too far.
the other way, right? Where it's like, again, you can't say, you definitely can't say whatever you want there. No. But the things you can't say. You could say there's only two genders. Yeah. You could say there are two genders. Yeah. Which is liberating, I guess, to an American, but you can't say plenty of things. Yeah, there's plenty of things you can't say. But yeah, I think, you know, places like Poland,
Hungary, Romania, it's like
Ukraine maybe I haven't been to Ukraine I've been to the others it's a happy medium it's not it's a bit like how the UK would have been
not even that long ago, like maybe 20 years ago before it just went too far. Yeah. And, and it's weird because people call it political correctness and people say that it's,
progressive or it's forward thinking or whatever. And it's like, it's, it's dragging people back. That's why you have people in Eastern Europe who are looking over at it, kind of like, we, we're guys, this isn't the, yeah, they don't want to play the games. They don't want to play the games. They've seen, they've seen what's happened in the West and people here can basically, yeah, it's living that live over here.
Yeah, that's I guess the reason I wouldn't move back. And to be honest, I'm not such a political guy. I like to know about politics. I understand politics quite well. However, I don't care. And that's going to sound very naive. I live in Romania. I have an American and a British passport. I don't really care. I love I mean, I mean, I like that the elections have been going my way lately. But the President of the United States doesn't make a difference to my everyday life.
And whoever is the Prime Minister of England doesn't make a difference to my everyday life.
So I like it here because it's fun. That is also one other reason.
It's fun. It's more fun than London in Bucharest. I like it here. That's, I guess, one of the big selling points. I'm not going to pretend it's all political. I'm not hiding out in some strange cold war. I mean, people haven't been to Romania. I don't know what they think it's like here. I'm not hiding out in some weird hovel to try to escape civilization because here you're free to say what you want. It's really fun here. Great bars, great restaurants, great people, great women. So I'm very happy over here.
I mean, here's a question. I mean, I have my own theory on this.
Why do you think it is that the UK and US in particular, I mean, I think it's the Anglosphere. It seems like the English speaking,
English-speaking Western world,
seems to be suffering from some kind of
Okay.
some kind of virus, some sort of mind virus over the past decade or so. And why do you think that is?
You know, my father described this. I had this conversation with my father about 11 or 12 years ago on the subject of gay marriage. That was the subject and he called it the wedge.
He said, people are always going to be so unhappy. You have to watch out for the wedge. I didn't really know what he meant.
I was arguing with him for gay marriage. I was very much pro-gay marriage. And I was speaking with him saying, no, dad, you know, it's fine. Let them get married. It's about, you know, inheritance and, you know, visitation in hospital because they're not family members. I was giving all the normal, completely logical arguments. I have gay friends and neighbors. And he said, no, no, no, Tristan, you don't understand. It's the wedge. Once they drive the wedge in, there's always going to be someone, not all gay people, not all people with that agenda. There's always going to be someone who's going to try and hammer that wedge further and further and further.
inch, they're going to take a mile. Now, I don't know if that's necessarily
True, but I think especially with the internet, a minority of people can be so loud and so hateful and so vicious and so violent, they can drive the wedge in just...
with very small numbers. I don't believe the gay community as a whole is trying to promote
Drag Queen story hour. The gay community as a whole is not trying to promote that. They're really not. However, the people who are on that side are so vicious and so aggressive and so loud and that's their whole universe.
Anyone who speaks up about it is getting attacked on Twitter. I bet in the United States, it's fewer than 2,000 people.
That's how small I think it is. But I think the internet has really given the power of the crazies to drive the wedge in when that may not be how society as a whole even sees things. And why do you think that people are such cowards to stand up to it?
Well, I think people used to stand up to it a lot more. Now, I don't even talk politics on my Twitter. I don't really. I'll retweet a few of the things the president says, but I don't get necessarily too political on social media because they'll just shut me down. They'll just ban you. They've won in a way because the corporations that run all this stuff, the Facebooks, the Twitters, the Instagrams, they're all owned by very hard left wingers who don't want to upset anybody.
JK Rowling stood up quite rightfully and said, you know, that's too far. She said that men and men are women and women. That's too far. She shouldn't have been fired. And she started getting attacked by who? Not by me.
not by you, by people on her own team. So this is what I mean. You have to, and these companies, Facebook, Twitter, you have to be willing, sorry, not willing, what's the word? You have to be...
aiming to upset nobody. So you have to go full crazy. If you don't go full crazy, someone's going to get upset and someone's going to take you to court and report you for hate crimes and
And that's the way it is. So they have kind of won. They do control the narrative, especially right now.
at the same time people will say oh use gab.ai gab.ai is fantastic no it's not yeah it's not because you also yeah you need some level of censorship you can't just have a forum where everyone's posting i can't remember the n word after every post like that's also not cool there needs to be as you said a happy medium exactly and of course most of the people who are on there are there because they have been kicked off of
other platforms so some very legitimately unsavory characters yeah absolutely are populating that place yeah i don't use it
Yeah, no, I've had a quick glimpse that I was like, nah. Yeah. So where do you think it all goes? Do you think that...
the radical leftists or whatever they want to call themselves? Do you think they
they keep winning and stuff keeps pushing in that direction? Or do you think the pendulum is going to
is going to swing back. I see a lot of signs, even...
recent Ricky Gervais monologue. Quite a lot of people
in different areas. I mean, I'm in the world of music, but in music and entertainment, even in academia, things which are legitimately very, very left wing dominated.
I'm starting to see a lot of people
And one thing that gave me sort of hope with the Ricky Gervais thing is because he's
he's technically on their side.
I mean, he's more left than he is right. So to have people like him with that sort of stature and power and reach,
Just being like, look guys, this
is so stupid especially i love the bit he did when about the the white actors dying and he said that he can't even you can't even talk about because that's how silly it gets like i'm in the world of music and some of the stuff that some of the initiatives and things they push and whatever i mean
I'm like I'm a black guy myself a minority in the UK, but some of this stuff. I'm just like yo guys. This is this is silly Yeah, this is this is dumb. This doesn't make sense and they're just going so hard. I
It really is. I don't know, to be honest, I don't know exactly how I see it going. I know how it's going here because I live here.
I go to the UK perhaps three or four days per year. I have a few friends over there. I follow a few Twitter accounts, but my experience
in our country of England, is very limited now. I know that here it's going to stay the way it is.
People want to get married, have kids. It's very traditional. It's not going to have huge gay pride parades down the center of the city. That's what I know here. And I don't know exactly how it's leading in the United States or England, but my advice to people,
In fact, I'll tell you a very short story. It was a friend of mine. Let's call him a school friend. We met when we were about 15 or 16 years old, years of age. During the Brexit referendum, this guy,
Richard his name is Richard if you're watching sorry he was he would not stop posting and
about Brexit.
Now, Richard works in a gas station. So he would write posts this long about why we should leave the European Union. I guess I was on his team. I was pro-Brexit. I also had my reservations because I live and work in the EU. But regardless of what side you're on,
I kept saying on his post, I was like, Richard, bro, you work at a gas station.
If you vote to leave the EU or you vote to stay in the EU, nothing's going to change. You have to change your own life. You have to look out for yourself. And that's very much my view on politics. So how is this going? I don't know.
But I'm becoming richer. I'm becoming less fragile. I'm setting up my homestead and I'm doing well for myself.
so which way it goes i don't care because i can move to china if i need to oh not china
somewhere else. And Richard, last time I checked, he still works in a gas station, I believe. He got his vote. He got what he wanted.
And it was two years ago, I just picked up my
I think it was my first Lamborghini Huracan. And I stopped at the same gas station in Luton where Richard worked and there he still was. So he didn't heed my warning. And there are a lot of Richards out there. So, you know, if you haven't got your life together,
Fully don't worry. This is advice from people at home. Don't worry too much about is this happening politically? Is that happening politically? Yeah, you know Are you and your people eating well? Yeah, you know, can you take care of your kids? Can you take care of your parents? That's more important than any political question in my absolutely and that's my no no that I preach the same thing man I tell people look if you're you know, if your life has gotten a lot worse since 2016 and
then it's not because of Trump and it's not because of Brexit.
It's gotten better. Also not because of Trump and it's not because of Brexit. You know, there's nobody you're going to vote for.
that's going to turn a winner into a loser or a loser into a winner.
So, I mean, with me, I don't even, I get dragged into a lot of political conversations, but
I'm someone who's actually more interested in like
I'm not a fan of the culture and society than I am directly with politics. Like if you ask me the need,
10 labor or conservative MPs.
Yeah, in the UK, you know, I don't I don't follow what's going on. Of course, I see the big stuff like the elections, but I'm more interested in sort of the
the cultural and societal aspects. So,
when I talk politics, it's normally more like that level.
Yeah, there's a crime in London. Yeah, I think that's the stuff that affects people, what we've been saying, you know, the kind of silencing of speech and things like that. To me, that's more...
That's more cultural. It's sort of political.
But it's not, oh, what's the best policy for
such and such. It's like, I don't know. No one's going to help fix this. They are private companies. I mean,
People in America can refuse to bake wedding cakes. I guess they can refuse to let me use their Facebook accounts. You know, it's the way it is. Yeah.
Let's run it back a little bit, man. So I had this conversation with your brother when he was on my podcast last year. And just, you know, finding out a little bit more about your life story.
So I assume, of course, being Andrew's brother, it follows some similar trajectory. But can you tell us a little bit more about
you know, you're growing up and what led you to the stage you're at now?
Yeah, well, the best thing that ever happened to me, I guess, is going to sound crazy, was my parents' divorce. If I still lived in, I come from a very small town. I lived in a place called Goshen in Indiana. And I always laughed because I did sales jobs in the past. If I still lived in Goshen, I'd be a...
redneck with a cowboy hat selling Hummers or something off the Hummer lot. I don't know where I'd be. Maybe in jail, maybe worse. But the fact that my parents got divorced, my father had lost his career in the military a few years prior. So
My mother on her own couldn't afford health insurance for any of her kids. So the logical solution as a British citizen was to,
moved back to England. And my grandmother,
my mother's mother was actually quite the racist. So my father was your complexion. My father, I know people can't tell, but I've got the big lips and the dark eyes and a few other things that the Romanian women tend to appreciate. But my mother's mother was quite the racist. So she didn't want us staying with her. So we lived in a homeless shelter for a while, two years. I used to have to go to school, lie to the kids about where I lived. I'd stay at their house and they'd say, I'll stay at your house next week. And my mom would have to talk to their mom. So
feels like to be broke. From there into a council house, me and Andrew were raised on a council estate. My mom was good though. Made sure we had three steady meals a day. Our clothes were clean. She made sure we did our homework. We always did well in school. And yeah, out of there, we left sixth form college really without enough money to go to university. I wasn't
inclined to take loans out. My mom was still washing dishes in the school kitchen. I wasn't going to get 20 or 30,000 pounds of loans out to
I guess at the time it felt selfishly study something that I was interested in, whether it be
physics or biology. So instead I just entered the workforce and, uh,
hustlers mentality worked one thing after the other we ended up working for ourselves at a very young age i lost that money
Lost that business. I was sleeping on my best friend's couch at 23. Okay. And here I am, 31 now. I'm net worth, I don't know.
Thank you.
two and a bit, at least for myself, which is not bad, you know, considering my life story. My life's been very interesting.
That's cool, man. So, so can you tell us a little bit more about that? Because, of course, you can have people listening who are going, Oh, wait, how did he how did he do that? He just said, like, I just went from 23 to 31 like that. So yeah, what can you talk us a little bit through, you know, what that was like and what you did?
Yeah, well, career path, mine and my brother's big break. I'm not going to go into too many details because I like to keep your podcast nice and clean. Mine and my brother's big break is when we started working and I guess, let's call it adult entertainment. Well, not personally, but we would set up live broadcast studios where models would talk to dudes on the internet, you know, strip, you know, flirt with them, talk to them, listen to their problems. It's essentially like a strip club with a webcam and a model there instead of a pole in the middle of a bunch of dudes sitting around the outside.
more lucrative.
Because in the typical, I guess, burlesque club or lap dance club, a girl can only have eight dudes surrounding her at once. Some of my models will have 900, 1000, 1500 men at any one time, all throwing money in the park. So my brother discovered this actually.
when he was dating a...
a girl who was
kind of doing this on the side. And one of the most telling points of mine and Andrew's life is at the time he was just fighting. He was training, fighting, bringing in some money that way. I got paid almost peanuts for my fights because I was a much lower level, but I was working. I was working as a salesperson for a company that sold conservatory roof insulation. Okay. Not a nonsense job. I was bringing home. Yeah, it was in the UK. The company was based in Milton Keynes. Okay. And I was making between 1000 and 1500 British pounds every week. I was
I was working seven days a week, 12 hours a day. And one of the most telling points in my life, in mine and Andrew's, I guess, origin story,
Andrew turned around to me one day when I got home and he said, "You know, bro,
I'm just going to start selling for insulated conservatories.
I'm going to get your job. We'll combine our money. We'll be on 3,000 pounds a week. It's not bad. I looked at him in the eye. I said, Andrew, you can't do that.
You can't accept that job. You can't come work for my company because once you do,
then that's who we're going to be. You've got to think of something better. You do your training, you do your fighting, you're exhausted all day. Take the time, spend the day thinking, researching, and find something better. I'm going to go and make the money. I'm going to make sure that our heads stay above water. And that's one of the most important decisions we ever made.
One of the most important decisions we ever made. Andrew started his first, from the flat we were in, he started running his first one or two webcam models. We ended up having 75 members of staff at my largest. That's scaled down now because I'm doing some other things. Much cleaner, nicer things, opening gambling casinos, that kind of stuff. Still, I guess, playing on vices, but that was our big break. And if I had let Andrew
come to work at my company, we wouldn't be here today.
Yeah, you would have been the Tate conservative sales specialist or something like that. Yeah, it was okay. I mean, I had a Range Rover at the time on finance. I was doing okay for a guy. I was, what, 24 and a half at the time, bringing home 60, 65 a year. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't this. I got you. So I'm very grateful that I told Andrew to stay home and do his research.
You heard about it from some woman on the side. And I think the conversation he had with her was, oh, so you work at home? And she goes, no, I work at a studio.
He said, why would you work at a studio? She goes, oh, I've got my kid at home and my parents are at home and the studio's got the best equipment and the best setup. And it just, a light bulb went off and Andrew said, I came home from work one day.
He said, Tristan, something amazing has happened.
I said, what's happened? He goes, I've made 360 pounds. I said, no, you haven't. I've made 200 pounds today. I made one sale.
"You haven't made 360 pounds, he shows me on a screen." - Yeah. - I was like, "What, and they just send that to your bank?" He goes, "Yeah, they send it to the bank."
And that was the eureka moment. I quit my job at the week later. Got it. Got it. And when did you decide to make the move to Romania?
Well, the move to Romania was actually not...
based on, I mean, the internet speeds here are great. There's lots of beautiful girls here. Great. It was not based on work at all. I was commentating for a...
fight federation out here, an MMA fight federation. I took the first job last minute, as I did with this podcast. We flew over to Romania. My mind was blown. Whatever image some people have of Romania is completely wrong. Especially in the UK, they'll have Romanian friends and colleagues who will say, Romania is terrible.
But you have to understand that
If people from Britain could move to another country for higher wages, it wouldn't be the Londoners or the bankers or the people from Birmingham. It would be the people from, I hope I'm not offending anyone, the Weirrell, Scunthorpe, Grimsby. Those would be the people who go, the Jeremy Kyle crowd. So the Romanians you meet who don't like this country haven't actually really seen it. My mind was blown. There were Rolls Royces, Ferraris, Lamborghinis everywhere. There's a lot of money here that isn't listed in any bank index. So the GDP per capita doesn't reflect the amount of wealth here.
Yeah, so we took this gig for flights and hotel only no money just so me and Andrew could have regular vacations We come out here and do our commentating. We invested in some property out here We made some very good friends very good contacts out here and
And one time in England, we were just thinking, you know, when's our next trip to Romania? England, I mean, I was living in Hitchin in Hertfordshire, boring town. Yeah, very. I thought, what am I doing here? Why don't I just leave? Yeah. And I left.
That's cool. So you've been in Romania for how long now?
Amen.
Four years now. Four years. That's my home. Yeah. Yeah. And I think when I went to Romania first, I think I've been there once. I think I went 20...
about 2015 or so, 2015, just to Bucharest. But yeah, no, it's a great city. Like I said, I'm a big fan of Central and Eastern Europe. And then, you know, things like living costs and what you actually get for your money and all that. It's just, yeah, it makes a lot of sense for people, especially if you are able to earn money.
like online or
elsewhere, because I know with a lot of those people, of course, if you're a local, then the economy might not be so great for you in terms of how much people earn and everything. But if you take
an income from the UK or an income from the US and you go out to Romania or Bulgaria or Serbia or somewhere like that like even if you're not
super rich like you you can be living pretty nice out there yeah you can you really can an example of there was the the local Romanian news actually covered me purchasing this house here I'm renovating it right now I've got my own cigar lounge in the house if I put this house anywhere in central London oh gosh
25, 30 million, like an amount I wouldn't be able to pay. But it was under one. So.
There we go. Much easier. I do like it out here. And another thing, a lot of Americans are very fragile in the way that every penny they make,
is watched and studied. And if you're a foreigner living in Romania, they don't care about your tax affairs. You don't owe them money.
Whereas Americans think that you owe them money if you're an American citizen, regardless of where in the world you are.
- Gotcha. - Which is, yeah. It's something very interesting. With Andrew's War Room, the organization he runs, he's now, the initial casinos we've opened, are making money and doing very well. He's offering a chance.
for our American guys to buy into casinos here in Eastern Europe and to get paid in Bitcoin. So the fact that I only have to pay the remaining government a little bit of tax running these businesses here, and I can send Bitcoin over to the United States. So he's offering this...
you know outside of let's not tell everybody yeah yeah but it's a you know it's a good system here if you know the right people if you know the right people you can do pretty much anything you want so
Yeah, that's cool, man. And tell us a little bit more about your your fight career because we haven't touched on that at all.
Tristan the talisman tape. Now, I'm happy to admit, I'm a self-made man in my own right. But in kickboxing,
We were known as the Tate Brothers worldwide because of Andrew. Andrew was a better kickboxer than me. You can see my nose leans slightly to this side. I've suffered three breaks, broken ribs, broken hands, broken toes.
Andrew's fight style.
which I did try to learn, I really did my best, was very much, you know, don't get hit and knock him out with your insane power. My fight style was get hit three times, hit him four times. Okay. So a lot of the fights you'll watch me in, there still are some in YouTube. Feel free to look them up. Just type my first and last name. You'll find some are just...
horrible fights. I was in bed for three days afterwards, win or lose. You know, I took a lot of beating and a lot of punishment, but I did win the majority of my fights.
I had won the European title, the ISK European title and I was training for
a defense of that title when a taxi here in Romania crashed off of a cliff and damaged my shoulder.
That's me done. You were in the taxi? I was in the taxi at the time. Yeah. It's actually a very funny story. Okay. I was going to say it sounds like you're fortunate.
No, I mean, unfortunate and fortunate. I always say, you know, Jesus made me crash. And the reason is, quite literally, Jesus did make me crash.
If you've ever been to an Orthodox Christian country, you've been here. They have little pictures of Jesus all over their taxi cab. This old man, bless him, is driving towards a really sharp left turn with a steep embankment. And his Jesus falls off of his dashboard. So, bends down, goes to pick up his Jesus. His eyes aren't on the road, drives straight off.
He was two weeks in intensive care.
I got out. I took a selfie. It's on my Instagram somewhere. I had a cut up face and cut up hands. The scars are still...
visible on my knuckles and my left shoulder was just
ripped out of place. Now that I do have some money, when I was in Dubai last month, I went to see the physiotherapist who looks after Roger Federer, the best guy in the business, like $600 an hour to see him. And he just told me, he said, how did you do this? I said, well, car crash. He said,
My muscle, my frame, my size is what's holding my shoulder in place because my shoulder isn't holding my shoulder in place. So that's just the way it is. But it's okay. I'm a very able-bodied guy. All sorts of pushups. I train all the time. I just couldn't afford to fight professionally because if I missed a left hook,
with full intent and my arm came out, I'd lose the fight instantly. And I'm not going to give anyone that glory of beating me because of some nonsense. So I just train, I keep myself fit. I can still fight.
The fight training is too much, bro. Yeah, that's fair enough, man. It doesn't sound like something that you'd want to do super long-term anyway, man. It seems like one of those things. Get in, get it done, and get out.
Well, it's a blessing. It's a blessing in this way that my brother, as well as most fighters who do end their careers voluntarily and retire on top, they're conflicted.
Should I fight again? Should I not fight again? Andrew's now got everything he ever used to fight for, you know, but he still has this inner fire. He still wants to get in the ring. He still wants to do it. Me, I can't. So I don't have the conflicted.
I'm happy to chill, do my push-ups every morning,
go on a date, drive my car around, so I don't have that conflict. So I think that is the blessing of the car crash. And there's a silver lightning to anything. Absolutely, man. I mean, so what are the biggest lessons that you learned from your fighting career and your experience there that you think you sort of take into the world with you now? How did that shape the way you view things?
I wouldn't necessarily call it an, call it experience or lessons. Your fight career teaches how fragile people are, um, how people who aren't particularly big might know something that you don't. It keeps you out of trouble. I've used, I've used violence.
three times in my adult life, three. Coming from Luton, where everyone is having street fights all the time. And Luton people typically left me alone. But I just don't mess with people, and I don't let people mess with me. But I just completely...
stay out of conflict with someone in, not in Romania, because in Romania I've got my
In Romania, no one messes with me anyway. But if I'm on vacation somewhere in Spain and some guys are getting mouthy, I'll smile. I'll take a sip of my drink. I'll turn and leave the bar. I don't care. And I think that's something that comes from fighting because I don't have anything to prove. That guy doesn't have title belts hanging on his wall. I do. I've got the battle scars. I've got the broken nose. Could I beat him up? Sure. And then what? Three years in a Spanish jail? For what? Yeah. For a night that no one's ever going to remember. Yeah. It's mad. I said something on Twitter the other day, which was a couple of weeks ago.
implicitly understood it but I think some people didn't and I said something about how
So...
people who are
total strangers to violence or who have never been in a fight before.
are probably way more dangerous than people who are familiar with it.
Yeah, some people were likely to fight you. Yeah, like some people were totally like, yep, I get you completely.
And other people are like, huh? Like, what are you...
what are you talking about? And I'm like, look, if, if people don't understand the,
Like I've never had a fighting career or something, but you know, I went to, I went to boarding school for seven years, you know, all boys boarding school, like people's crap. So it's like, and then of course, as you get older and you get stronger and you understand the potential consequences, both for you,
and also for other people,
you understand, okay, it's not worth
There are very few things that it's worth
escalating up to that level for because it's not worth it.
One of the most classic examples, he became very famous on the internet. That tiny football fan, the Weldstone Raider, he's like, what, 40 years?
So do you want some guy?
who was starting to fight with somebody on YouTube. I'm not sure if you remember it. I don't know if I saw it. He's about 50 kilograms of a man. He went viral all across the UK by offering to fight somebody at a football ground. It was hilarious, of course, but he...
clearly has done no physical training in his whole life. He's not an imposing guy. He's not sizable. He doesn't quite understand what...
what could happen to him, you know?
Like if he gets into an altercation, I'm not going to harp on about it because you haven't seen the clip, but a lot of people at home will know exactly who I'm talking about. But yeah, that's the guy who will fight you.
Whereas I'm 110 kilograms, I'm 6'4". I'm not going to start a fight on anybody. So I may be intimidating to the smaller guys around, but there's no chance.
that unprompted I'm ever going to start a physical confrontation. So, yeah.
Yeah, that's cool. So I completely get your tweet. I do get it. And you can also tell that by the way people behave on Twitter, you can tell who's been in a fight and who hasn't just off. Yeah. So I was just talking like the wildest stuff. You're just like.
Dude.
you know you wouldn't say this to this person if they were
if they were in the room, if they were like you. So just comment. The internet makes everyone brave. And you get this a lot. I've read. I get the same. You just have to shrug it off. What can you do? And no one's ever been rude. No one's ever come up to me and said, Oh, I know you from Twitter.
I think you're, you know, it doesn't happen. Well, people recognize Andrew from Twitter mostly, but they're always friendly.
Of course they are. You know, a four time world champion, he's a six foot three dude. He's been, I was going to say anything bad to his face. And that's the nature of the world that we now live in. Yeah, it absolutely is. There's nothing you can do about it. So what have you got? What have you got planned for the future? I mean, I know you said that, um,
this year you're looking forward to putting yourself
out there a little bit more. What made you decide to step out from behind the scenes a little bit?
You know what, I'm going to reveal something. This is a world exclusive.
that I've been working on since January 2020. I make no
apologies for the way I live my life. I'm a young guy, I'm single, you know, I'm safe about it, but I do
Meet and date.
a lot of beautiful women. I really do. I'm famous for it. If you Google my name in Google, there's a list of
remaining presenters and models and celebrities who I'm in photographs with, with
raunchy headlines, et cetera. So I'm well known for it here.
The reason I'm coming out, I guess, into the public eye a bit more is because I'm tired of people on the internet.
who talk nonsense about things they don't know anything about. And the big one nowadays, you have these huge groups of people, these conventions and these accounts,
talking about how many women they meet, date, sleep with in a very – how can I explain? In a very demeaning, degrading kind of way. And one, I don't like it. And two, I know they're lying. They're fantasists. I can tell by the way that they type. Having run a webcam studio for the last five years, one of the best in the business, I see guys type like this all day. They're liars and they're fantasists, and this is a world exclusive. They're liars.
I am keeping, I saw a few Twitter accounts with screenshots from WhatsApp. Hi, come over to my house. Yes, I'll come.
That's all they have, and they write this big story.
about how amazing this chick was that he met in a mall in Denver. Like, I've been to Denver. There's – in the malls. There are no tents there. So starting from January 1st this year, I've been keeping a very –
concise diary where I am...
blurring out their faces, et cetera, but using photographs, text messages, the Instagram inboxes. I've got my hand in every picture with something specific on it. And this is going to come out halfway through the year.
The full volume is going to be obviously released at the end of the year. It's something I'm doing for the entirety of 2020. And when I release this, Zuby, I'm telling you, I'm going to shut these people up.
Because my brother already sells his PhD program. Now the PhD program, the reason he sells it is because we ran a business where we had multiple beauty queens, multiple dozens, literally working for us and obeying us and listening to us. A few of them at the time, I guess, were girlfriends of ours. And we had multiple girlfriends, et cetera. And people would call us a liar, but the proof is in the pudding. I mean, I have a fleet of cars, et cetera. I didn't make it through crime or I wouldn't put my face out there. This is how I made my money. So me and Andrew consider ourselves the
qualified men
on the planet. Well, I mean, not on the planet, not at all. Let me scrap that. Most qualified men in that sphere of Twitter to talk about meeting girls and dating girls. So that's my big reveal for this year. Money, I'm making, I'm making, I'm opening some casinos here. I'm expanding my current businesses, money I'm making enough, but that's the big thing.
that I'm going to be putting out halfway through this year. Because it's going to be a diary and a journal, all photographed, all evidence-based, that nobody in this whole sphere is going to be able to touch. Besides maybe Andrew himself, who's not keeping a journal.
What's the goal of that? Is the goal of that to inspire? Is it to help? It is to inspire and help. The only people who currently know about what I'm doing are in the, and I'm not going to extend this to anyone else,
room because now I've said it, I may have a spy, but the only people who do know what I'm doing are some members of the war room who bought the PhD program. And as I'm posting, it's actually a locked Twitter account. That's how I'm keeping the journal and no one can access it right now. But as I'm posting, I'm explaining to these guys, the
behind the scenes, the theory of it. And it's not, it's not something, um,
what's the word I'm looking for? It's not something depraved. There's no depravity involved. You know, I enjoy the company of beautiful women. I enjoy going out with them. I enjoy having dinner with them, going to the opera with them. I enjoy these things. You know, it's what I like to do now that I have the time
in the world to do the things I like. Andrew loves driving those cars around really fast.
I like driving them really slow so everybody can see me. So it's something I enjoy, and I'm keeping a very concise diary. And the goal of it is to inspire and teach, I guess, the friends in the inner circle who I have close to me. But the other goal is to silence the people on Twitter who talk and talk and talk.
and post these little screenshots of nothing, these fantasists.
I don't think I follow these people, so I'm not sure. I mean, just Google PUA is a good one. Google that. You'll find 400 dorks like that. Okay. You're a pickup artist. You walked up to a girl in the mall who was a supermodel in Wyoming. Did you? I bet you did. Like, I'm just trying to silence everybody. I got you. And silence my own critics as well. Silence my own critics as well. I mean, because I'm photographed often with beautiful women who work for me, who will either be a girlfriend of mine or somebody who works for me, and they'll say, oh, you're paying her.
Like, I mean, I'm morally,
I don't judge anyone else, but morally, I have a problem as a webcam studio owner of paying for female company. That's just against my wiring. I'm the guy, you know, I am the one who knocks, essentially. I take the money. I don't spend the money for female company. So yeah, to inspire, to silence, to intimidate, to upset. The same reason I do anything. That's my big goal of 2020. And it's going to be incredible. I mean, so far, we're what one week in,
2020, but already the content is better than these accounts share in a year.
Okay.
You'll see. Okay. Okay. We will see. Awesome, man. And on that note, where can, if listeners want to find out a little bit more about you or follow you on social media, where can they find you, Tristan? Yeah. On, uh, on Twitter, just type in the talisman lives. My, my at is lives talisman. You can find all my opinions there, my photos, uh, and everything I'm doing. My lifestyle is very much on, uh, Instagram, uh, which is talisman Tate. And that's where you can see kind of how I
cars. I don't know what you're into. I sometimes post photos of women I'm with and stuff, but not to the extent I will be doing on Twitter. I have a YouTube channel, Take Confidential, just type that in. And The War Room is an organization that my brother runs. It's not my organization, but I'm very much involved in it. I like what The War Room is always trying to do, which is to say that I am not the archetype of what men should be. I'm the archetype of what I
independent. These are things that I wanted to be. So anyone joining the war room, we try to elevate them to that level.
And Andrew very famously, just a few days ago, kicked half the members out.
because they weren't pulling their weight. And there were a lot of groups who
I say, I don't want to insult them.
I'll insult them. There are a lot of groups who need the money. Oh, join my little club. The membership fee is this. The membership fee is that. You know, Andrew just axed half of our subscribers and he doesn't care because it's not a financial thing. It's to build a team around me and Andrew of guys we could trust and like-minded people and some more room members actually now live here in Bucharest.
do business with me, work with me. They're investing in casinos and all sorts of stuff. So if you want to join the war room, you'd have unprecedented access, obviously, to myself and my brother. And that can be found at CobraTate.com, which is my brother's website. He'd probably punch me if I didn't mention that. So there we go. You can find me there and get unprecedented access to me any minute of any day.
That's all good, man. Tristan, thank you for coming on the show, man, especially at such late notice, bro. It's been a problem. And you know what? I'm not going to always make my excuses after the fact. I've been fasting for the last two days, so I'm lightheaded. I was just sitting there relaxing, watching TV. Five minutes notice, I came and set this all up, and here I am. So, you know, I'd be happy to articulate myself better some other time. You know, we'll stay in touch. Six months down the line, maybe I'll do the big reveal when I finally release this Twitter account to the world on your show.
Awesome, man.
I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Have a good day.