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The fact that liberals are so f*cking awful, full of sh*t, and they lie about everything, and they manipulate everything, and the moment they get a chance to f*ck you,
they will absolutely you were sentenced to 85 years in jail 85 years for some property transactions yeah not murder no not murder murder is 10 years i think that only fans is actually a symptom of a diseased society absolutely i think that if you put women in the position where they have been convinced they should not rely on a man to take care of them and now they have to compete with men and in this ruthless world of business we all know how hard it is and how difficult it is and
to deal with the mental load and the stress i'm not saying they can't do it but most women don't want to feel stressed all of the time they want to be happy and we love them when they're happy women are more attractive when they're happy we want them carefree that's what we want we don't want them stressed on the phone arguing about the deal that's our job you have to really understand why you're trying to be so successful as a man i think all of us as men if we're honest with ourselves are driven by this huge sense of ego i think that we want to feel important and we want
Guys, Mark here. We're back at Shapiro TV. We just finished with Andrew's younger brother and we are here now with the man.
Okay, the myth. Okay. And, um,
He is a legend.
He's not a legend in his own mind. He's a legend.
uh...
I will tell you that for me,
This is actually
a privilege. Oh, thank you, sir. That means a lot to me. Thank you. Thank you. Good to meet you, sir. Good to meet you. I was telling your brother
that
when we first met and we sat privately, I wasn't sure whether I was going to go,
forward with it.
because I wanted to look at you guys in the eyes and I wanted to hear the sincerity in your voice. And for anybody that follows me or anybody that
No social media.
Thank you.
these guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time with a dumb fucking idiot. Okay? And, you may not like their views, you may not like their positions, you may not like
the fact that he shaved his head.
That's okay.
Okay, that's, you don't have to like everybody.
Okay?
these guys
we're in the wrong place at the wrong time and
I'll ask the same things I asked your brother.
your position on Israel. Tell us. Yeah, absolutely.
My brother and I have never said anything positive about Israel, probably ever, online. I have to make that very clear. I think that the ability to criticize any government is extremely important in a democracy with free speech. Amen. I think you have to have the ability to be unhappy with the actions of basically any government on the planet. And...
We've set a whole bunch of
negative things about many governments, especially the British government, the one we're actually from, you know, the one we're actually residents of. So we've never said anything positive about Israel.
But that doesn't mean that we are harboring hate for huge subsects of the population, that we want bad things to happen to other human beings. We're just unhappy with the actions of a particular government. And it's actually many governments were extremely unhappy with the actions of. And Israel is not even the one we talk about most. We talk about.
England most often.
I think this idea that, you know,
if somebody
is unhappy,
with the actions of a particular government somewhere, that they hate all the people from that place? I don't think that's true. And perhaps you can tell me because you know better,
why that applies to Israel and the Jews more than it does to other places. Because if I criticize Keir Starmer, nobody says I hate all the English people. You know, nobody would assume that I want British people to be hurt or die because I dislike Keir Starmer or I'm unhappy with his policies or some of the things he's done. But that does seem to come into play with Israel and the Jews if you criticize the government.
you get attacked and accused of things that simply aren't true. And I don't think that's fair on anybody, you know?
We Jews are very opinionated. Okay? I haven't noticed. And we think that we're smarter than everybody else.
And
you know,
Israeli politics is something that
I barely understand on the surface. I was about to say I don't understand it hardly at all. It's very complicated.
Because BB seems in trouble there. I thought he was the boss and he's in trouble. Look, I told your brother this. And I'll...
I just recently met his son.
What a charming kid. Okay?
I'm not a big BB fan, okay? But is he good?
Has he been good?
You know who's been good for Israel?
Donald Trump. I've heard that a lot. Okay. And does B.B. do
He's just like any other political leader.
He has people who like him, he has people who love him, and he has people who hate him. Okay? And if you can't have the ability to exercise
your freedom
to speak and think
then where the fuck are we? Okay? In another planet? In another world?
Okay? Absolutely. Because not everybody is going to like me.
Not everybody is gonna like...
you, not everybody's going to like someone who's changed the world, like a guy like Steve Jobs, who changed the phone. Or Elon. Elon has haters. That's right. And is it the fact that there's always a little...
little jealousy? Absolutely. Okay? So people see you and you're bright and articulate and successful. Yeah. And
They don't really look...
into my cup.
they look at how much more you have in your cup. This is true. Hate never comes from above. It seems to always come from below. This is absolutely true. And the ability to speak freely about a lot of issues and being open with your opinions I think are extremely important. And it's what America's built on. And I actually think it's one of the easiest ways to measure the decline of our society is that it's becoming harder and harder to have cordial disagreements or cordial differences of opinion. We could sit here and I could say I've never said anything nice
everything perfectly. We should be able to have a conversation, shake hands at the end of it and still do business at the end of it if we decide so and move on. And I don't know if social media has done that or why the world's changed because
I'm, you know, of a different generation than a lot of the young people today, but you're a generation above me. And certainly in my day and age, you made a lot of money with people you didn't really like. And you spoke to people you didn't really like and you got along with people you don't really like. And you had to to function. You had you can't get ahead without it. But now with social media.
It seems that everybody is constantly at each other's necks and the idea that someone's going to say something you don't 100% agree with completely to your core is going to be considered an act of violence against you. It's insane. And this is why we have with the left, with the liberals and they're attacking the ice and all this craziness. Nobody can even talk anymore and have a serious conversation.
- Whoa.
If you break it down to simplicity,
Okay?
and I've said this before, and I respect the fact that you and your brother don't change your position, not because of this little bullshit that went on, okay? Because that's all it is. It's being in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people, okay? And they're trying to get celebrity off of you, who is actually a celebrity. Is the fact that liberals are so fucking awful, full of shit, and they lie about everything, and they manipulate everything.
The moment they get a chance to fuck you,
They will. Absolutely. So why? And I guess my biggest
Probably one of my biggest worries about the West in general is that it seems no matter how hard people try to keep
You know, conservatism in and of itself is conserving. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to preserve society, trying to conserve society. No matter how hard we try, the liberals just keep
seeming to sneak in place after place and keep pushing back. I couldn't believe that New York's changed to, you know, New York was the capitalistic city of the world. It was. And now we have this socialism sneaking in and there's a whole bunch of people who are so disenfranchised with the system and who are so unhappy with their own position, because like you said, they're looking at everyone else's cup and not their own, that they're just getting radicalized and desperate to the point where they don't even expect the government to give them things. They just want the government to take from you.
They know the government's not going to distribute it back out. They know if they say, "Let's tax the rich, they're never going to get any money." They know that. They just want to take it from you because they're bitter. And it's getting kind of scary where
you know, you do well in life now,
in many Western countries, and you automatically have a target on your back because
The way the political system works or the way the justice system works, these DAs seem to be far more interested in going after a man who has money than they are going after a homeless man who's actually committing the crime. These homeless people who are stabbing people and doing drugs and shooting people, they seem to get out of jail really quickly and they're back on the street. In and out. In and out. But if you have money, they really want to build a really big case and they really want to get you because they really want that money.
And it's scary.
It's scary.
And we spoke about it a little bit.
What I went through,
was still today, I can't even comprehend it. And knowing when, I remember when they indicted me and they said that you don't own these projects. And I'm like, wait a second, I've owned these projects for two decades. What are you even talking in an indictment? And the way that we
own it in separate entities. - Which is prudent. - I have a trust, my kids have trust.
The money flows through to them. Of course. And their whole goal
was to take whatever I had
and not redistribute it and hold on to it. And that's what they do.
Of course. And I want to hear your story because
And I'm interested in your opinion if it's just
human nature
where a DA or a prosecutor is more incentivized because you're a bigger scalp, or if there also is a governmental aspect to it where they just like the idea of, if we're going to spend money using the justice system, spend money on the court, spend money on a prosecutor, spend money on all this,
we want to get some money out of it. That's why they're not interested in spending all that money on trying to prosecute a homeless guy because there's no payoff for them. Because I think you and I have...
similarity in our stories in regards to the fact that the justice system was very, very interested in not only getting us, but getting hold of our money. They really wanted the money. And that was in Romania, but it seems to happen everywhere. So I'm really interested in your story and why they did it. That is a very, very common theme.
in my situation, it's a,
It's
it's
It's crazy.
So, in here in the US when the FBI is trying to make a case or someone's trying to make a case, they need a search warrant.
and in order to get a search warrant, they need a judge to sign the search warrant. Yep. In my case, they shopped seven different judges. It's called judge shopping because none of the judges would give a search warrant. Wow. So they find another judge and we don't know any of this until
I'm sentenced to, which was 85 years, which is a life sentence. You were sentenced to 85 years in jail? 85 years. For some property transactions? Yeah.
Not murder? No, not murder. Murder is 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my uncle, who my daughter is named after, his name was Michael Mickey.
He was murdered by his girlfriend on June 23rd, 1980, here in Miami. Bet she was out in no time. And she did seven years. Yeah. And then my uncle went and spoke at her
her parole hearing.
And they didn't listen to it. And the prosecutor was Janet Reno. I don't know if you know who she was. - I've heard that name. - She was down here and then she became a,
The U.S. Attorney. Wow.
When they came after me, and when we ended up losing, the judge that I had,
was a judge named Kimba Woods.
Kimba Woods third husband with a gentleman named Frank Richardson and he lost about three million dollars in Stratton Oakmont, the Wolf of Wall Street. We hired somebody as a sales trainer from Stratton Oakmont. That's what brought this whole thing, my whole business down, my whole empire. Some tedious link.
And
a young man who was a disbarred lawyer
had gotten indicted,
And he was on Long Island, because that's where we had our fundraising office. And because we used to raise our own money.
He comes into my office. We had just bought
a large portfolio of 6,000 units, 16 different assets. And my team couldn't really explain it.
Okay.
we weren't raising money for it.
and
He sees this guy.
who was known notorious, I think he was the number four guy, Stratton, Oklahoma. Calls his FBI handler,
Still remember today, her name is Jennifer May, very hot.
Broken heart.
and
tells her that this can't be real.
because this guy came from Stratton Oakmont. Fast forward to the people that helped me,
we get
an affidavit
that says that the judge's third husband lost this money. She should be recused.
They don't recuse her.
We get a second affidavit from the FBI analyst that disappeared.
two weeks before my trial because she we found her in Scottsdale, Arizona she refused to testify. Wow. Because she said there's no malfeasance here. Yeah. So
They had already started to dismantle the company. They had already started to sell the assets. And they had already started to repatriate the money. And you get no compensation from the government for any of this? We have actually talked about it. The gentleman that helped me, Howard. And he is like, Mark, if we go after them, they're going to put another target on you. Yeah, it's going to get worse.
I already have a target on me. Because I got out of prison, I went back to the real estate business, I started making
money.
People don't like that. How do they justify 85 years for, I'm guessing it was some kind of fraud, but how do you justify a life sentence for that? Like surely, if you're going to let people out for murder after six or seven years, to try and justify taking away someone's entire life, and I'm guessing it's some kind of fraud or for whatever it is, it's just insane to me. It's securities fraud. Yeah, it's insane to me.
How do they even justify that? There's no justification for it.
because a lot of these guys, well, there's two ways to, during the sentencing process, the government sentencing process, you have
A, you can run up
a
Sentence concurrent.
or consecutive. Concurrent means they would all run at the same time. And consecutive means that they run one at a time. - Got it. - So because there were five counts, one was five years and then the other four were 20 years, they call it stacking. - One after another. - Right. And then one of the things that we're working on is a new law, it's called the trial penalty. And one of the more sophisticated lawyers here
Dershowitz, they've got a bill in front and they've got a lot of support and it states that if you are offered
a plea deal.
you can only get a hundred and fifty percent of that time in prison. So I was offered a deal after 41 months locked up
of 60 months. - Yeah. - And I'm like, I'm not pleading guilty. - Yeah. - And I'm not ratting out on anybody. I'm not guilty. - 100%. - I own these buildings. - Yep. - Okay, I ran this business. We had 1,200 employees.
Wow. And they don't want to hear that.
It's completely crazy. And those guys, the U.S. attorneys that prosecute you, their ultimate goal is they get out, they work. They're all, you know, Columbia, Harvard, graduates, Yale. They're all very smart guys. Handsome, okay? And they make a name for themselves. They do five years, and then they do a signing bonus. They make $2, $3 million salary at one of the white shoe firms.
- Big scalp to say. - It's a notch on their belt. That's what it is. They notch their gun belt from all their kills, and then they go out and say, "Here's my resume."
and they get these big jobs, these big white shoe jobs. - And that's why they go after the people with money. You know, in Europe today, I'm sure America has this problem, but Europe's got a real problem now, where a lot of people with money are just getting hit with random indictments. I have friends in Poland,
in Hungary even in the the based
Eastern Europe, and the West is even worse, and France, and Germany, and England. If you have any kind of money, you're just getting hit with an indictment.
this theory that it's basically win-win for them, especially in Europe. And maybe America's the same. Let's assume American taxes are 30 or 40 percent. If you can get a prosecutor who makes $100,000 a year and get him to go after someone like you, and you're paying millions in legal fees, the state's winning. Think about it this way. They can get $100,000 a year prosecutor to jump on a guy who has to spend $5 million in legal and get $2 million in legal.
income and taxes. Even if they lose the case, and then if they win the case, they also get to steal all your stuff.
So it's really win-win for the government financially to just go after people. Oh, 100%. And it's really crazy. I mean, in Europe...
My prosecutor probably makes
in Romania, $30,000 a year
My lawyers pay 30% tax and I'm millions deep. The state's getting rich no matter what.
And even if I beat my case and keep my assets,
they still got rich. And if I lose, they steal all my stuff. So it's kind of crazy where
You know, you go through life and you want to be successful,
and you want to escape the streets so you're not a target for all the criminals,
and you get to the top and people still want your head on a stick. Well, I said it to your brother. They took a civil
case
a civil state statute and they made it criminal and they indicted a president. Bro, crazy. Why? Because one, they're afraid of him. Two, they hate him. And three, he's been very successful. And there are a lot of people that they do that. I mean, I don't know if they go after Elon, but they've gone after Apple for antitrust. They've tried to do this. I'm sure they will.
always a constant
undertone
of people that are unhappy with the people out in society who are successful.
Like a lot of these, we've become more of a financial environment here in South Florida. I think we're actually now the number one money center banking city in the world. Wow. Here. It surpassed New York, which used to be the financial haven. Now it's here.
And a lot of these funds, like Citadel, Broadwater, Goldman Sachs, they're all moving here. - Yep. - Okay. And they're moving here, they're moving all their staff,
and they're
here because
This is a better place to operate. Now, are they going after them?
I guarantee you they're going to notice something. Maybe they're too big to fail. When you're worth a few billion dollars, you're too big to fail. When you're worth a hundred to two hundred million, they'll come after you. And I remember
when I made my first huge score
and I bought a
I bought a jet and I thought I was six feet tall and my dick was 12 inches long and I became an asshole.
cheated on my wife
fucked up my marriage, but
That's stuff I have to live with.
You're not better than anybody. Yeah. Okay. You just have more money. That's true. You just got and
Success sometimes is luck. Yeah.
Although there's a huge degree of luck, of course. Super, super. So, being in the right place at the right time, yeah.
I do want to ask one thing.
Thank you.
- You're anti-Semitic or not? - No, I'm not anti-Semitic. I, and this whole-- - Didn't think so. - No, I'm not. This whole, uh,
You know, the internet's become an extremely violent place
especially with this anti-Semitic
rhetoric. And I think that
I want to walk the line carefully here because I don't think that anybody should be
restricted from having their point of view or questioning certain things.
especially in regards to foreign nations that have influence over America. I think that's common for any American to sit and say, well, we're concerned about the foreign influence of any nation.
you know, China, Russia or Israel.
True. And the ADL and all these things
And I think that the fact that anyone who questions anything regarding this is instantly
accused of being anti-Semitic actually fuels the fire instead of just saying, "Let's talk about it then. Let's talk about it. Let's address it. If you think this is the case, let's discuss it." So no, I'm not anti-Semitic. I know a lot of Jewish people. I am happy to
you know,
I do a lot of business with Jewish people already, so I'm not anti-Semitic.
But,
The hostile environment that we see online, I think it's only going to get worse unless there's a lot more open discourse and there's a lot more conversation around these things. So I think that people who are genuinely anti-Semitic and aren't interested in discussing the
subject in good faith are the problem and also the people who refuse to discuss anything without saying oh that makes you an anti-semite are also the problem so we have two extremes on either side totally we need a conversation totally
And you know what?
I couldn't have said it better, okay, because that's the most articulate
statement.
and i i'm going as i said before
You were just in the wrong place at the wrong time with somebody that was trying to use your and your brother's celebrity
to generate more
views or whatever it is for them. Okay?
I'm going to go home.
opinion,
and the fact that we've reacted to your videos purely for, we react to videos for views. - Yeah. - Okay? Now we don't do as many as we used to. We do I think one a day now. We used to do like three or four a day, okay?
It's
It's passe. Yeah. Okay. You have an opinion. I have an opinion. And guess what?
That's what makes us a free society. Absolutely. Okay, that's what makes us
men
Okay, and that's what gives us the ability
to institute change where we see something that's wrong
and then you speak about it absolutely and the fact that people want to chastise not just you not just your brother a lot of people okay because they're different yeah that
is bigotry. That's fucked up. Completely. The truth is always somewhere in the middle, right? You have to have a conversation with people and the truth is literally, nearly in all circumstances, somewhere in the middle. If you hear two sides of a story from two individual people, neither is telling 100% the truth.
So if you can't have a conversation, you're just going to live in a world of lies. That's how it's going to work. You're going to love this. Okay. Let's go.
best video you did was the venezuelan video did you like you like everybody's a Mexican so christian has why do you think everybody's from mexico
-
I I mean I'm making a generalized point joke but it's a joke you know.
But there are spheres in the world where you could argue that certain cultures operate in a similar way. I mean, they're called continents for a reason, right? You could argue that, you know, the politics in all of South America is kind of similar and the politics in all of Asia is kind of similar. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Perhaps I may have, you know, taken it to an extreme because I actually loved it. I loved it. Because I think it's funny. But I'm.
I'm a hard man to offend. Like, I really wish people would try harder to offend me. I wish people would sit there and go, you know what, you're a mixed race into this, because I don't care at all. It's water off a duck's back to me. So I actually get quite humbled and a little bit flattered when people get very upset by something I say or do, because why have you given me so much power over your mind? I'm a guy who says things. If you don't like it, turn it off.
Like if you're really going to sit there and get so enraged by me, if you're going to give me that much control over your psyche, that's a failure on your part. I would love, and this is a challenge to the world for anybody out there to try and think of the worst, most heinous things they can possibly say about me and see if you can get me to care.
Because I guarantee you, you're going to struggle. I'm just going to ignore it if I notice it at all. So, yeah, I make these jokes and some people get very offended. And I guess in a lot of ways, that's flowering because it's a joke.
It is flattering. It is a joke. Imagine you could say something in the entire world. Half the people would love you. Half the people would be mad. You'd feel like...
Where's all this power from? It's really crazy. So, it's a joke. I was joking.
You know, you're not one big Mexico. There might be two countries down there. Might be they speak Spanish and they speak Spanish and Portuguese. Maybe it's half Mexico, half Brazil. I don't know. That's South America.
Very, very true. Very well said.
This one? Why does Andrew, why do you take personal offense to OnlyFans creators? That's not true. I don't take personal offense to them. I think that OnlyFans is actually a
symptom of a diseased society. Absolutely. I think that if you put women in the position where they have been convinced they should not rely on a man to take care of them, and now they have to compete with men. And in this ruthless world of business, we all know how hard it is and how difficult it is and how stressed we are. A lot of women don't want to deal with the mental load and the stress. I'm not saying they can't do it.
But most women don't want to feel stressed all of the time. They want to be happy. And we love them when they're happy. Women are more attractive when they're happy. We want them carefree. That's what we want. We don't want them stressed on the phone arguing about the deal. That's our job. Yeah. So when you take women and say, don't listen to a man. Instead, go make your own money. And they can't compete with men or they don't want to compete with men because of the stress. They're going to revert back to their sexuality. And I actually think it's extremely sad that women are selling pictures of themselves for 99 cents.
to a boyfriend or listen to a husband who's going to take care of them. I don't think
That is a good decision for any girl to make and it's actually incredible that society has convinced them to do it. That's what I do. I couldn't agree with you more.
I didn't even know what OnlyFans was until last year. And the guy that runs our social media, he's actually on vacation. His name is Tanner. And we're coming back from Houston.
We had bought a property and we did a reel on it. And this guy had a, not a nice watch, but he had an iced out watch. And I wanted to,
to catch his attention. I'm like, "Bro, how do you make so much money to own a watch like that?" And he goes, "I'm an OnlyFans manager." So we walked and I said, "Tanner, what is that?" And he goes, "That's OnlyFans." And he explained it to me and I said, "Oh, so he's a pimp." That's what he is. He's a pimp. Correct. And so prostitution is as old as time. Oldest trick in the book. And
I have--
And I can't,
believed that these girls would actually do this and that we've actually had some, we do rent this studio for a lot.
We had some girl come in.
And she's big on OnlyFans.
In person, she did not look the same. Of course not. She looked
terrible. Absolutely. Okay. She was polite. She was nice. Okay. Um,
And I took a picture with her because she wanted to take a picture.
but I had no idea who these people are. I really don't even care. No, yeah, it's crazy. It's a symptom of a dying society on the girl's side and it's also, in many ways, a symptom of our dying society on the man's side because there's so many men with repressed sexuality because
getting girls almost in the modern world is not so much about charm and personality like it used to be. A lot of it is about money. Let's be realistic here. Girls want men with money. And that's fine because we have money. But if you're a normal dude and you have no money,
then you end up on all these porn websites and all these OnlyFans, etc. So it's kind of crazy the direction in which the world is moving in and
People talk about the birth rate and people aren't getting married and no one's having kids and all these things. That's because the girls are on OnlyFans selling content and the men are on OnlyFans buying content.
And there's a few guys at the top with all the girlfriends. And it's kind of messed up. The societal contract is broken now. So it's going to be really interesting to see how this all plays out. And I don't think we're heading in a good direction personally.
with
morality
And being that I'm an Orthodox Jew,
and being that I'm
Yeah.
I don't want to use the word shopping, but I actually have a friend who's a religious woman. It's very different than dating a normal woman. There's no sex, there's no petting, there's no any of this. It's about value and so forth. And she's a very pretty girl.
I could see spending a tremendous amount of time with her because she has these values. And because she's genuine. There's a lot less real women.
today because they want
to have the purses, the cars, the money, the house. That's right. Okay.
And
society's become
Thank you.
an epidemic
of low morality. Purely low morality. 100%. And that's driven, as you perfectly stated earlier, about people looking at other people's cups. We live in a world of endless envy.
And social media is such a powerful tool to tell a story and to get a message across. But social media is also one of the largest reasons why I believe people in the Western world are depressed.
If you're broke,
Unfortunately, you now have to watch on your phone. Everyone be rich.
That's got to be depressing. I mean, if you're sitting there struggling to pay your bills and you're watching everyone else, especially people younger than you or the same age as you, or people even worse, people who don't even come across as intelligent.
idiots when you're looking at idiots with like a car you can't afford it must damage your psyche on some level you're like how does this function of course and girls are sitting there and they believe because you talk to any girls on these dating podcasts they believe they deserve endless millions of dollars these very normal looking women believe they deserve the entire planet because they have an instagram profile where they don't look like they actually look and they're getting these messages from these famous men so it the world is kind of broken the the societal
woman, a normal family. This really feels broken in the West, and it's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out. But there's no doubt that social media only fans are
the monetization of sex, all these things are playing into the declining birth rate and the fact that
They're saying like in 100 years, there's going to be no people around. That's insane. That's crazy that people are having so much sex and no one's making kids and no one's having a family. No one thinks, you know what, let's actually build something from this. Selfish. Yeah, selfish. Selfish. Selfish. Because for me, your brother told me...
about his kids
Amen.
Being a parent is the greatest privilege there is. That's what life's for. Period. That's right. Okay. And, um,
In Judaism, we believe we
are
multiply and move forward. We believe in certain things. And the reality is that
We all believe in
One boss, he's the chairman of the board of the universe.
We can't all get along and we can't all agree with each other, but at least we can be respectful and listen to that other person's opinion and try to learn from it. And the society's issue is people become so polarized.
with their own bullshit, and they think they know better, and they think they're smarter. That is what is scary. I agree with you. I agree with you. And we've had that in society. What do you think of Miami?
I love Miami. It's the only livable city in America for me. If I live in America, it's going to be Miami. I don't think anywhere compares to Miami. I think it's got enough
Action.
You can chill. There's also some very nice places close by. One hour's drive, two hours drive. I mean, Trump is the president and even he's down here in Florida when he's not working. So I think Miami and Florida is certainly the place to be.
It rains a lot, you know, for an hour a day. It's kind of hard to pick your clothes. But besides that little bit of traffic, you know, I think it's one of the better cities in the world. There's no doubt about it.
I couldn't agree with you more. Where else can you live? It's a paradise. Well, you could live in a lot of places, but you're not going to be as happy as you are here. Absolutely. And there's accessibility here for whatever you want. There's a lot of opportunity here. Tremendous. A lot of money here. Tremendous. There's a lot that can be done here if you keep your head on your shoulders. So, nice place. This is not one of your questions. The hardest knockout
that you ever...
Got knocked out with. Yeah, I've only ever been knocked out cold once. Wow. Luckily.
My last fight didn't go my way.
Uh...
and he hurt me but he didn't knock me out but i had been knocked out cold once in slovenia i was in slovenia and it was a tournament so you have to fight more than once in the night it would start as a 16-man tournament and it boiled down to the final four i fought my first guy i knocked him out in the first round
Then two other guys fought. One of them won and we met in the final and I got
a flying knee in the face. That'll knock you out. That'll knock you out. Right away. Yeah. So,
put me asleep. It was very unfortunate because I really believed I was going to win. So that was the only full out cold knockout I've ever suffered in 87 fights. 87 fights. Yeah, quite a lot. That's a lot. A lot of fights. Yeah. What did the training up to the fights teach you? I think that fighting is actually teaches you a lot about the realities of life. And I think my my philosophy on life in
my enemies to have mercy on me. I think a lot of people go through the world expecting their enemies to feel sorry for them at some point if they act weak enough. And I don't believe that ever happens or works. I believe that even if you look at your situation, if you cry in front of the police, they don't care. If you say, like you beg them, they don't care. I don't think people really ever have mercy on you that way. I think that perhaps the universe or karma or the simulation or the matrix or whatever you want to call it
Good fortune and providence comes your way when you stand up and stick to your word and mean what you say and in the end seems Things seem to work out, but a lot of people especially the young generation today. They talk from a position of Please have pity for me and I don't think that ever comes and fighting teaches you that when you get hit or you get hurt your opponent doesn't feel sorry for you
In fact, he thinks the opposite. He wants to hurt you more.
And I think that's how life functions. You know, if you show weakness, people are going to jump all over you and they're going to try their very best to hurt you. And anybody who's at home watching this can think of a situation in their life where even with a romantic partner, you know, you can show weakness and they can jump all over you. That's how it goes. So I think you just have to be prepared to stand up and get hit.
And
keep moving forward. That's how life works. Rocky nailed it. The reason those movies are so successful is not because Rocky always wins. It's because Rocky keeps moving forward. Never gives up. Never gives up. And it's funny. Did you see F1 with Brad Pitt? Yep. One of my favorite actors. It was really a modern day Rocky in a car. Absolutely. Okay. And
If people can take away from one thing, okay, that you teach people and that you try to inspire people,
What would be the biggest takeaway? Yeah, I think that's one of them. And I think the other one that's really important to keep in mind is, and this comes from my father, who was a chess player, I think that...
We all understand personal accountability and personal responsibility, but
The most beautiful thing about chess is if you lose a game, you must accept that somewhere along the line you made a mistake. Even though it may have been a small mistake, even though it may have been a long time ago, somewhere along the line you made a mistake and I think that having absolute self-accountability
situation in all situations to sit and go no matter what happened no matter how unfair it was somehow i left myself open for this or somehow i did something i wasn't supposed to do i think that gives you the most control over your life and the ability to make better decisions moving forward my criminal case very much like yours was completely unfair however i could have done things to prevent it happening to me so you have to the most powerful thing you can do is say okay this is
Thank you.
I have no control and I can't change anything. If I truly believe all of the blames on them and I'm 100% an innocent angel,
then nothing's going to change. Whereas if you do the opposite and say, "Okay, this is unfair, but I'm going to pretend it's all my fault. How can I prevent this from ever happening again?" And I think if you do that, you don't make excuses, you don't hope for mercy or pity from your enemies, you blame everything on yourself.
I think you can make some pretty good decisions moving forward. I think that's the best way to put it. Ownership. Ownership. 100%. That's the basis of masculinity is saying, yes, it's me. I did it. I made a mistake. I own up. It's me. That's the whole point of it, right? Most people don't do that.
.
Most people blame the other person. Absolutely. And that's... Most people refuse. That's right. That's right. And that's why they have no power moving forward because they don't learn anything.
And I think that, you know, I like to blame myself for everything.
I can blame myself for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I went.
You know, this is life. - And that's,
That is how innocent.
this
this thing was. That was it. And for anyone that wants to judge
- Yeah.
Tristan and Andrew, for anyone that wants to judge them, you've got to judge yourself first. They were in the wrong place.
Somebody use their fame to try to ingratiate and grow their fame.
Okay? And they're standing up, they're owning up,
Thank you.
Okay?
They don't need to apologize because they didn't go out of their way to do something. They didn't play the song, the DJ played the song. Someone made them put the song on.
However the other people in the Sprinter van, the idiot, okay, however he thought was to react, I don't know, maybe he was drunk, maybe he was high, I don't really know, okay? I just think he's an idiot, okay? And I stand by my words.
You're very transparent. I try to be. And that shows confidence.
Getting to this point...
What was the greatest struggle that got you to this point? It's a really good question. I think that...
you know,
you have to really understand why you're trying to be so successful as a man. I think all of us as men, if we're honest with ourselves, are driven by this huge sense of ego. I think that we want to feel important and we want others to see us as important. And I think if you use that
energy.
in the correct direction, it can actually be an extremely powerful thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying I want everyone to view me as a competent, important, smart, successful man. I think that's a great thing. But then you get to a point and you have to really work out
What did you want all of the success for?
Did you really want the cars? Did you really want all the women?
most of the time we do all the women, but do you really want all of these things or what is going to be the end goal of all of this success? And I think that's why it's so important that
a certain level, a certain amount of money, certainly a certain age.
that you do have a family because it grinds you. It grounds you and it says to you, it reminds you what's actually important in the world. And you go, you know what? The best thing about having all of this money is that I get to take care of my family.
That's the best thing about having all the money. You know, the cars, the jets, the boats, all of that is nice. Meeting women to perhaps make a family with, sure, that's nice. But once you have a family, it reminds you what's actually important in the world. And I think that's one of the most...
When I see men who make a whole bunch of money and they just get caught in these hedonistic cycles that go to nowhere, I think that that's because they don't have that grounding element. And that's dangerous.
So,
For me, we...
turn our phones off on Friday night to observe the Shabbat, and we don't turn it on until 24 hours later.
It gives me that ability to get grounded. It gives me that ability to reflect and look at
what I did, whether I liked it during the week or whether I didn't like it. Yeah, yeah. And then correct it.
When you see these young kids and they all look up to you,
Do you think it's important
to correct them or do you think it's important to motivate them? What's more important? I think in the world today
You know, it's very hard almost
to tell
anybody what to do. I think you have to, we all understand lead by example, but I think if you're living a life that they want,
that they're going to try and replicate the steps that got you there. So if you're living a life that people want and you talk about the fact you only built it based purely on
self-accountability and responsibility, then they're going to be a lot more likely to listen to you.
especially in the social media world where you need to have so much social proof to stand out from
the rest, right? Because there's so many people online. So, I try and do my best to live by example. I'm certainly not a perfect person, but I try and explain that, look,
Not everything in life goes my way all of the time, but I'll take my L, I'll take my loss, I'll stand up and say, "Look, this went wrong," or "I lost here," or "Congratulations to my opponent," and I'm respectful to everybody I meet, I'm very nice to every waiter, every person who holds a door open for me. I try my very best to just go through life in a particular way where
If anybody does want to emulate my success and they try and emulate my actions, it's going to be better for the world.
We're all human and we all make mistakes, but instead of lecturing people saying, "You should do this or should do this," what I try and say is,
This is how I got here. And I think that's why people copy and follow.
*sad*
What got you into kickboxing? Yeah, I...
was originally a chess player like my dad. So I was due to be a grandmaster in chess.
We were growing up. I was growing up here in America and then
My mother and father broke up, we moved to England, so I lost my chess coach.
So I didn't play chess properly for a while. There's no real chess program in British schools. There's a big chess program. Yeah, there's a big chess program in American schools. I went to school in Indiana. There's a big chess program.
But in England there was no real chess program so for a couple years I didn't do too much. It's kind of before the internet so I couldn't play online so I didn't really have a coach.
And then I thought, well,
let me do something else and what's similar to chess and in my mind fighting was similar to chess because it's one-on-one there's no team
There's no luck.
It's brutal. You're trying to crush your opponent as quickly and as ruthlessly as possible. I love that. So to me, they were very similar sports. And...
Perhaps one's physical, one's mental, but I would still argue that chess is harder. At the elite level, the way these guys look at the board and think about the game is so impressive to me. It's incredible. My dad could play chess without looking at a board. You could sit here and say, E4, C5, Knight F3, Knight C6, and he beat you.
without looking on board.
is incredible.
So it's one of those things you're either born with the brain for or you're not.
I don't think I ever had the potential to get as good as him.
But that's why I originally shifted to fighting. And then fighting kept me very balanced. It kept me very grounded. You know, I grew up in a bad area. I had
a lot of things going on around me. I could have got dragged into really bad things. But if you have to be in the gym at a certain time, that means you have to sleep at a certain time, which means you have to eat at a certain time. And all of a sudden, your life has a whole bunch of structure.
that perhaps it would have been missing. And I think systems and structure and these things, even to this day, I have systems and structure. That's how my life operates and runs.
you know very well, you don't get successful without it. I need to go gym at this, this is my place. I want this this way. - Well, you know.
you had systems and structure, but you were also talented. Of course. Okay? You don't win four championships by not being talented. You don't decide, "Oh, I'm going to get into kickboxing, and then go out and have 87 matches and win the majority of them." You don't do that. That's true. You have raw talent, and then that talent becomes defined. Absolutely. And you're right, but,
You know, I think that a lot of talent only shows itself
after the hard work is done, right? To find out if you're talented or not,
You could be the most talented piano player in the world.
But if you never play piano, then somebody without the talent who just practices is going to be better than you. The only way you see the talent is if you both study for a thousand hours and then see that you're much better than they are. So the talent comes at the end of the work. And unless you're prepared to really dedicate yourself to something and really try to do something, it's hard to identify if you were even talented at it or not. Do you know what I'm saying? So I think...
One of the problems in the world today, it's probably one of the biggest issues with social media and all these other things, is that the world is speeding up now. Everything is happening so quickly. It's too fast. They tried to kill Trump and two days later, nobody cared.
Like the news cycle is 24 hours and everyone's brain is constantly distracted. Nobody can watch a movie without going on their phone. Everyone's in a rush. Everyone has ADHD. Everyone has anxiety. Everything is so fast all the time. And that means that everybody wants everything fast.
And unfortunately, as you know even better than me, it's hard to get anything of value immediately. No. Anything that comes immediately is kind of scary. If I walked in here and you said, "Here, Andrew."
"Nice to meet you. Here's a million dollars."
I think
Is he going to shoot me in the parking lot? What did he give me a million dollars for? What is this immediate money from?
You know, so immediate things
often are a trap if they arrive at all. And everyone's constantly trying to find the quickest avenue to what they want.
And I think that's leading to a lot of bad decisions. The world doesn't work that way.
Talent comes after, talent rears its head after a whole bunch of very difficult, very hard work, after the long slog. Of course. And that's when the talent comes in. Of course.
shapes you.
It creates that what's steel, sharpened steel. - Absolutely, yeah. - Diamonds are made based on heat and pressure. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay. So,
We all deal with pressure every day. If you could leave the viewers with one thing you want them to know, okay, besides the fact that you're charming, articulate, handsome, and a good fighter. I'll take it. Thank you, sir. Thank you. What do you want them to know about you?
Thank you.
The beauty of life is often found not just in all of the positives, but you really need the negatives of life to appreciate anything. I think that you probably have so much more appreciation for your life now after what happened to you than you did beforehand. There really truthfully is no light without dark. And whenever you're in a dark place, you need to see it as a springboard for the light which is coming. If everything went well in your life all of the time, if every single time you went anywhere, nothing bad ever happened.
wanted you, if it was always a green light, if everything went perfectly all of the time, you know what? You'd be miserable.
You'd be miserable if everything was perfectly easy all of the time. Us humans, for some reason,
Maybe we're all crazy, we need struggle, and we need the dark to appreciate the light. So next time you're in a bad position or you're feeling a certain way,
Just understand that feelings pass and time moves on.
and in the end you're going to look back on it all.
as crazy as it is, as a happy memory. It's remarkable to me, sir,
that you were sentenced to 85 years, your whole life, and you probably never thought you were going to get out. And now here you are out, and now it's all just a happy memory. Now it's all a joke. Now it's all funny. Now it's all your best story. It's truly incredible, no matter how bad it seems, how it seems to work out in the end. And I've been there.
When people say, "I'm feeling really down,"
"It's really difficult right now, "and I don't see it ever getting better." It's gonna get better. And you need to remember those times 'cause you're actually, as crazy as it sounds, gonna think back on them fondly at some point.
It's crazy.
I can't add to that. Thanks, sir. That's well said and that's exactly how I feel. Guys, Andrew, thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Good to meet you. Thank you. Good to meet you, bro.