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So I would guess I'm an Orthodox Christian, but if I had to bet on one religion as if I were betting on the stock market for the future,
You have to bet on Islam. You're near a mosque. I feel an energy that I'm at peace with.
I might convert to Islam right now.
Thank you.
businessman, entrepreneur,
when his video went viral in the Muslim world, people were emailing
us the video and forward it to me actually on WhatsApp saying, you got to get this guy on the show.
So here we go. Welcome, welcome. Andrew Tate. How you doing, my brother?
I'm good, my friend. I'm good. Sorry for the delay in my appearance, but you know, I made it in the end. That's the most important thing.
Very nice. Thank you for accepting the invitation.
Glad to be here.
So let's start off with, they got to see this, you're in this car now, familiarize me with some of these, this brand, it says on the steering wheel, E, hold on, what are the people seeing here?
*music*
That's me in Dubai just, you know, living the life, my friend, living the life in Dubai. So I'm there a lot. I'm there often.
And my that's actually the place my place. I stay it's right opposite the mosque. So beautiful. Do you actually if you don't mind me, do you know the words what we're what are being said when you hear the adhan since you hear it so some often there?
No. So I think you and I first started speaking after it was actually a video before this video. I believe I was on a podcast and I was explaining that.
how much respect I have for the
faith of Islam
And how it's a faith which is formidable and it's a faith that needs to be respected.
If somebody says, look, the Muslims are angry at you, then it matters. But if someone says the Christians are angry at you, nobody cares anymore. Right. And this is what I was trying to say. I have a lot of respect for the faith.
I'm not a practicing Muslim. However, I do have absolute respect for it. So no, I don't understand the words. I didn't I didn't.
I don't know what it's saying.
It's beautiful, but please tell me. I'd love to know. Yeah, that's what I love to do is, you know, because it's so beautiful, but then actually you appreciate it even more. You know, like if you're telling somebody you're also you speak Romanian.
A little bit, yeah. I speak a little bit Romanian. I'm American originally.
Yeah, you're from Chicago, no?
Correct. I'm from Chicago, but I live in Romania now, which is, it's kind of crazy. Like my whole religious experience, my whole religious journey is...
I prefer to spend time
in the most religious places on earth. I think they're the best places to be. Romania is very, it's the opposite of Dubai is extremely Orthodox Christian is actually the most Christian country in the world. So I spend most of my time between Dubai, which is, you know, very overtly Muslim, and then I come to back to Romania, which is very overtly Christian, but both of them have strong faith. And I think
A lot of the problems with the world today is that the West is lacking faith. And I don't like being around. I don't like being in agnostic or atheistic societies anymore. I try to avoid them if possible. So inshallah, which means God willing, after you, and I'll define these terms if we go along, after you take your, maybe inshallah in the future, you take your shahad or maybe even on the show, you can end up in the most holiest place in Mecca since you like being around the most religious places. Well, hey, absolutely. I mean, like I said, my own personal journey, I think it's taking a little bit of time.
- No.
Um, people often ask me, what religion are you? And it's hard for me to answer that specifically when I am in the,
Dubai or near a mosque, I feel an energy that I'm at peace with and I enjoy. But I can't say it's not true also about particular churches here in Romania.
For now, all I know is I need to be a good person. And that's what I'm trying to do.
But I have, and I stated it in the last podcast before, people often ask me,
you know, which religion do you, when they ask me which
which religion I am, I make it very clear the religion I have the most respect for
Islam. It's not even close. It has to be.
So just for educational purposes, I'd like to go ahead and just share with people, when you hear this Adhan, and you'll probably appreciate it more, what the person is saying is the call to prayer is God is the greatest.
God is the greatest. There's no God but the one God. There's nothing worthy of worship but God. Come to prayer, come to success, and there's nothing worthy of worship except God, and Muhammad is the final messenger. This is basically, in a nutshell, what the meaning is behind it. That seems pretty reasonable. Yeah, I mean, yeah. And that would automatically include Jesus and all the preceding messengers that came.
exclude Jesus. And this is, I don't know if you've already learned by now that it's a pillar. It's actually the belief in Jesus is something that every Muslim has to love and revere Jesus as a mighty messenger. Otherwise you can, you exit Islam. Yeah. It's actually amazing how in many ways, like you're saying, Jesus is one part of it, but in many ways, obviously there's key differences, but in many ways, there's a lot of similarities and it's kind of funny to me
Whereas
Christianity in the modern world has become such a laughing stock.
And it has been because people don't practice it in any kind of,
strict way anymore, really.
And people say, "Oh, you know, Islam's so strict." And I say, "Look,
a lot of the rules of islam are also in the in the bible you just you're a christian who's never read it like you've never read your own bible you don't you don't know what your own rules are so it's amazing how similar a lot of the tenants of the two religions are
It's just Islam and Muslims are the last people who take it seriously and practice it.
in a way it should be practiced and respect it.
And that's why I think I first kind of went viral in the Islamic world when I said, look,
I have so much respect for Muslims as a whole and the way they view their faith and how seriously they take it. I don't understand why...
You have these girls who call themselves Christians and they're drinking on Saturday night.
meeting boys doing whatever and then going to church on the next day i don't that doesn't feel real to me does that make sense
- Yeah, absolutely.
I want to get into that video now and take some clips from it. You can watch yourself. I was going to do a breakdown of this, but I said, why not have the man on himself? You can do a breakdown. Do a breakdown while I'm here. I'd love to hear it, bro. You can do a breakdown. Here, let's go ahead. You'll help me with it. Islam fixes a lot of the problems that men are currently facing. The problems we're discussing on this show, Islam fixes all of them, right? That's the first thing about Islam. And I'm not...
A Muslim, right? If I had to choose a religion, I would, because I live in an Orthodox Christian country, I go to the Orthodox Christian church. I donate $20,000 a month to the church in the country I live in.
The church in Romania is very powerful and I like having church friends. So I give them a lot of money, right? So I would guess I'm an Orthodox Christian. But if I had to bet on one religion as if I were betting on the stock market for the future,
You have to bet on Islam. - That's deep. - What do you think? What do you think of my analysis? - I love it. I mean, this is, you actually, did you have a lot of Muslim contact to you after this? I mean, they were sharing, I was getting this video from my team, from on WhatsApp, all over the place. - Yeah, I was getting, yeah, crazy messages all over, over Instagram, lots and lots of messages. And I think a lot of people were very surprised by what I said, but it's very true. I mean, what I say,
is...
The Islamic faith, and I've said it already on this podcast, it's taken seriously. It's respected by its...
tenants. And it's very much like, you know, if I, let me give an analogy.
If you don't respect your own house, if you walk into somebody's house and it's a mess, you're not going to worry about making a mess or about cleaning up after yourself or leaving a cup on the coffee table, right?
But if you walk into someone's house and it's pristine, then you're going to be very, very concerned about making a mess. And
They have Muslims have so much respect for themselves that people automatically respect the religion as a whole, whereas Christians don't.
And this is the thing. We talk about things having longevity.
We talk about
things lasting into the future, especially religions as a whole,
if you become tolerant of everything to the point where like christianity is now where they say oh we're tolerant well if you're so tolerant you ignore your own book
then what are you?
Do you know where I'm coming from? And that's why I have so much faith
sorry, so much respect
for the Islamic faith.
And that's why it's the one I would bet on. And when I say bet on, I mean, I can, I know Muslims will be here in a hundred years.
What does Christian mean today? Very little. What's it going to mean in 100 years?
Nothing. Like, let's be honest, right? So,
That's also another really interesting way to look at it, because then I start to look at things and say, OK, well,
You have to choose which religion or which faith you believe is
is the true faith.
But if one faith survives and the other faith is annihilated in real time,
That tells you a lot as well, doesn't it?
Doesn't that tell you a lot? Absolutely, yeah. So it's really interesting for me. It's like I have not made any kind of final decisions, et cetera, but I try and analyze things from a very, very –
logical perspective i know god exists
And then you go, "Oh, say, okay, God exists." And there's all these different interpretations of God as such. But the only one I see which has a warrior class that people fear,
This is Islam. That's the only one there is.
Mm-hmm.
Let's continue on here.
Respect that about them.
I respect that. That's an amazing thing about them.
Right?
And the third point is, and I've been all around the world, some of the best countries in the world today are the first world Muslim nations. Yeah. Qatar.
You can go to Qatar. You can fall asleep with a million dollars on your lap in the middle of the street.
Nothing's gonna happen to Saudi Arabia. You can go to Saudi. Nothing will happen to you. You can go to Dubai UAE Nothing they leave their cars parked with the with the keys inside. It's so safe. Wow. You know, we often hear Andrew and
you know, people end up
Hearing that, oh, if you go out to that part of the world, they're going to chop your head off. They create this fear and anxiety for people living in America. But now you're talking about something totally the antithesis to this. You're talking about it's so safe. And you said something that if you could fall asleep in Qatar with a million dollars on your lap,
Literally.
And it'd still be there.
Absolutely. And that's the thing. Yeah, you can get yourself in a lot of trouble in those countries if you turn up and disrespect people.
the country as a whole, but why shouldn't, why would you do that? Right?
If you turn off and you show the respect, the appropriate respect,
You're not going to have trouble in these places at all.
all of the trouble that exists in the West, the general, I often say like,
It's kind of strange when you discuss crimes as a whole, right? It's kind of interesting to me that the Western democracies have always sold this lie that
you're safe from the government if it's a democracy. Well, that's not true. That's been proven in real time recently, right? Canada's proved that Australia's proved that America's proved that. So you're never safe from your government. So democracy as a whole is no safer to exist under than
Our kingdom...
like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
or a
dictatorship. There's there's you're no safer under a democracy. So we can remove that element, the whole idea that they're not democratic because democracy doesn't provide anything or or or help anything in terms of
safety from the government. But what a democracy does do
It's caused so much fraction and so much disintegration amongst the society that now you have to not only fear your government, you have to fear the normal people on the street.
It's crazy. I read yesterday in L.A. they're telling people no longer to wear jewelry. They're advertising on the news. Don't wear jewelry. Wow. That's incredible.
And this is the richest country in the world, right?
And you go to these poor countries...
these poor countries,
But because people like we just discussed, because people are religious, because people have a higher purpose, because they see beyond the material goods of only this world.
It's a very safe place to be. I've been to these places and I feel completely, perfectly safe.
Yes, of course I could get my hand chopped off if I'm an idiot.
But I would rather exist in a society where I know the lines and I know the boundaries and I know how I get myself in trouble and not do it.
that exists in New York City where I can be
obeying the law and just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and get a drive by.
You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. These places are absolutely safe and they're safe because they've maintained
They've maintained the basic structure of family, the basic structure. The basic structure. That's all it is. When you maintain the basic structure of family, you maintain the basic structure of society.
And that's all it is, right? And it's kind of amazing as well.
in first world Muslim nations
When you maintain the family structure, people also don't want to bring shame upon their family. So the family do a lot of policing. They don't want to have a member of their family that's out there committing crime, right? Right.
So like the West is broken on so many levels. And that's what I was kind of saying in that video is that
A lot of the problems are fixed by Islam as a whole. And the first world Muslim nations are proof of it. I think a lot of people think that Muslim countries are dangerous because of a lot of the war in the Middle East. But the war in the Middle East is propagated by the West anyway. That's again, that's America's fault.
So, you know, it's crazy, really. How did you feel? Would you feel welcomed? Obviously, you've been there for a long time, Dubai. How did you feel now with the community, people welcoming, the hospitality, etc.?
Yeah, it's amazing Dubai is the least...
racist place on the planet. I think 90% of the people there are from other places.
You can be black, white, Filipinos are there, Vietnamese are there. Everyone's there from everywhere. Americans, everyone's there.
It's amazing that you have a city which is statistically so safe.
with all these different people from all these different places, right? And they've done that by just maintaining some kind of social cohesion. You can't have degeneracy all around you 24/7 without degenerating as a person.
Right. And that's what's happened in the Western world to a degree. Christianity used to keep the Western world in check.
But the Christianity has become so weak, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
And we're living in a situation now where if you want to go somewhere where you know that you can exist in a
wholesome environment. I mean that when you go outside, you're going to see families,
man, woman, some children, it's going to be fairly wholesome. You're not going to see any kind of degeneracy. You're not going to see anything strange, anything weird.
You're not going to see any of the crazy crap you would see walking down a street in LA. You're just not going to see it.
And Dubai tries very, very hard to prevent degeneracy, while also allowing people from all around the world to come live in safety.
and work hard and make a good life for themselves. And they've done it all under the guise of Islam. I have so much respect for that.
Women, everyone's married.
Every woman obeys her husband. Every single woman has four or five, six kids.
big families, all the things we're talking about, all the problems we have here, right? They've got none of that.
None of it.
Because of Islam. Islam keeps society in the role where women obey their man, women have children,
Women have big families. Women are exceptionally happy to do so. Before some Western girl comes in here and runs her mouth, the Islamic women are happier than any you're going to see in the club tonight. They're happy. Society is functioning. Their population is growing because in most Western countries, the population is declining. Yep. Tim Cass is talking about it today. I was talking about a showdown. Two people have one kid.
Doesn't work.
doesn't work right do you two people need to have 3.1 kids because people die right people die prematurely blah blah blah so we have population problems in the west we have none of the population problems society is functioning and that's that's what society is society is
Society starts at the smallest possible group. You have families and families make a street and that street makes a village and that village makes a town that town makes a city and that city makes a country.
That's a beautiful example that you just gave. But we seem like people are going away from
from this
You gave this example how there's like a hierarchy. You have the husband running the house, then the wife, and there's some structure there. And people are having children. We see a lot of people walking dogs over here.
Nothing against dogs, I'm not saying, but you seem like people have replaced, are taking more pets than children nowadays.
Yeah, absolutely. And there's a bunch of reasons for that. And it's basically because I think most both genders, especially in the West, have forgotten their roles as a whole.
Like I understand why most men are not waking up thinking, you know what, I want to have a bunch of kids with a woman. The legal system is out to destroy you. Most of the women aren't going to behave themselves or comply in any kind of manner.
Like,
i had many muslim friends i grew up in in luten in england which is predominantly muslim and in england as a whole london has a lot of muslims as well yeah my muslims friends used to say to me all the time we'd be out and we'd be walking around and they'd see some girl in a short skirt or whatever and they say
This is why I need an Islamic wife. Is she a wife?
She's naked and drunk at 2:00 p.m. in the afternoon.
Did you mean 2 a.m. or 2 p.m. actually? 2 p.m. Sorry. 2 p.m.
2:00 PM in the afternoon while just drunk and just, you know, run around acting crazy and
And there's a degree of...
I mean,
Hey, I think if you were to ask any man if you'd want an Islamic wife, a wife who complies, who's not going to cheat, who behaves herself, who dresses modestly, maybe not even completely, you know, full burka, but dresses modestly.
behaves appropriately, shows respect. That whole podcast was about how to try and make females basically act the way they've acted for the longest period of human history, up until modern times, where they've completely forgotten.
And I said, well, Islam takes the day.
because they don't have any of these problems, right?
We now live in a world in the West where we've thrown religion away and we've thrown cultural norms away.
We've thrown so many things away and there's a degree of
confusion amongst people. People are lost. They really are men and women.
I think a lot of the Western women act so degenerate and they don't do it because they're
evil they're doing it because they're trying to find happiness
And they can't find it. And they think, oh, maybe a new man's happiness. Maybe drinking alcohol is happiness. Maybe taking drugs is happiness. And if you don't ever find a higher purpose, you're just going to degenerate in a spiral downwards. And that's kind of what's happened. And now we're in a situation where
in the West,
A man can't find a wife worth having.
And people keep saying, oh, men don't want to be men anymore. Men don't want to get married. Would you marry some chick you meet in the club in Miami?
Like, you'd be a fool.
Like, I won't.
You know, so it's yeah, it's really interesting how society is degraded and it's all started at the bottom. It's very hard to find.
I'll...
humble woman who's modest, who wants to have many, many children for a man she obeys and respects in the Western world outside of
Islam. The family level's broken, but it's broken the whole way up. Yup. Yup. And that's what's happened in the West. And the first world Islamic countries have none of those problems. So if you're gonna talk about a belief system,
that fixes issues,
You need to go to Islam.
That will fix everything. I just have absolute, even though I wouldn't identify as Muslim, I have absolute respect for the ideology, respect for the mentality.
Respect for the warrior aspect of it.
I respect it. They don't play. They don't play. You can't solve their shit.
But you can insult the church all day. You can make fun of it.
True again, no?
Yeah.
There's a lot of depth to what you're saying, absolutely.
Yeah, and what's the point of a belief system if it doesn't maintain society?
I just said there how Islam will fix a lot of the problems of society. Well, what's the point of a belief system if it doesn't maintain society? Wasn't that the whole point of belief system since the dawn of time? Wasn't it to show people how to live in a way which is going to
benefit the world as a whole. Isn't that the whole point of a belief system?
If you have a belief system that doesn't benefit society, then what good is it, right? Christianity ain't benefiting society anymore because no one's listening. Christianity is so weak.
Which goes on to the point I'm just about to make about how you cannot insult
The Islamic faith.
You cannot insult it. You cannot mock it.
in the Christian countries.
They mock Christianity all day long.
They'll make fun of their own religion.
It's incredible.
Right.
And it's to the point now...
Where it on Netflix, on TV, they'll just mock it, mock it, mock it. But they still, even in these countries which see themselves as atheist or agnostic, will not mock the Islamic religion because they know that that's going to be a mistake.
And this goes on to a wider point outside of religion, which is kind of my life philosophy.
If you don't have the balls to fight and defend an idea, then you don't have an idea.
It doesn't matter what you think. If someone comes along and says, "F**k, it's not true."
I apologize for swearing.
If someone comes along and says that's right, we'll beep it out.
If someone comes along and says, that's not true, and you're not prepared to stick up for yourself and defend your idea, then it doesn't matter anymore. If I say two plus two is four, and someone comes along and says two plus two is five,
And he's about to hit me and I'm scared of him.
then he becomes right. Might makes right to a degree. If you're not prepared to defend an idea, you don't have an idea. So if you're not prepared to defend a faith, you don't have a faith.
And that's why when you start to add all these things up, it's like the last faith on the planet is...
is Islam. There's no other faith that people are ready to die for and defend.
And if you're not ready to defend an idea, you don't have an idea at all.
and for those people who are tuning in who are not acquainted there's a lot of people who are Muslim watching this program but we get a lot of not yet Muslims out there and Islam simply means to gain peace to acquire peace purpose and light by submitting your will to the one creator of the heavens and the earth God Almighty in Arabic we say Allah in Aramaic the language Jesus spoke he would say Allah this is simply the one creator of the heavens and the earth now you mentioned in one of your talks you talk about Will Smith
that he's been through with his marriage and that, do you think he could have benefited from the system, the way of this way of life we're talking about?
Absolutely he could have. I mean, look at the absolute...
He's become a laughingstock. He was the coolest guy in the world, right? Everyone loved Will Smith before his wife completely destroyed him and wrecked him.
It's really crazy to me.
Because we live in a world now where you have to be...
A real
I want to use the correct language here. You have to be an animal as a man. And I mean, you have to be like a real top shelf, top tier man to make sure that you can get through life in the Western world without either being embarrassed.
by a female cheated on by a female to still enjoy the company of females
to not have anyone try and take you to court or destroy you.
Like if.
If you're the top, top 1%, like I've done fine.
then you can do it, right?
But for the average man in the West...
outside of the idea of an Islamic marriage, for example, there's basically no hope.
There's no hope. Like, what are you going to do? What are you going to pull off?
It's incredible. And I know a bunch of guys who are Christian and they go to the church and their Christian wives cheat on them. Like the church ain't going to save you. This is what I mean. There's no faith. There's nothing there. And it's kind of, yeah, it's incredible. And like you say, you talk about Will Smith. I think a lot of people can benefit from the entire Islamic community.
worldview. I think it's beneficial to society as a whole. And we look at, if you want to look at countries, I'd love to actually do this study. Maybe you know better than me.
But if you were to look at countries in terms of police expenditure to crime,
I would I would guarantee that the Islamic countries, the ones we just talked about, the first world ones, are some of the safest countries on Earth per capita for the amount of money they spend trying to police crime.
Whereas in other countries, we're just spending unlimited money.
trying to stop crime we can't stop
Women don't respect men anymore. Men don't really want the women besides for a one night stand. No one's having children. No one's having families. No one's
satisfied or fulfilled.
which is why they want to take drugs and do stupid things and degenerate themselves.
And everything spirals into the other, right? Humans need higher purpose.
And this is the thing. I'll be completely honest with you, my friend. I was an atheist for a long time. I really was. I was an atheist for a long time.
And I didn't truly really believe in God until about maybe seven, eight years ago.
I thought I was a smart ass and thought I was, you know, atheist, blah, blah, blah.
God starts showing himself to me in many ways, whichever religion he's from.
But then I realized that people need something to believe in all these people who are.
Atheist.
They believe in climate change and abortion law and COVID.
more than anybody else. They have their beliefs, they have their religions, liberalism, and their religion is a religion of absolute degeneracy.
You know, like, look at the things they purport.
Look at how hard they tried to convince the world that it's a good idea that we eat the bugs and climate change and that stuff.
People change gender and all this other garbage. So everyone needs something higher to believe in.
And I think that these
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Islam is not even as old as Christianity, right? It's not even that old, is it?
Well, it goes a little deeper if I can just take a second and kind of run it down to you. See what we believe is that you have the first man, Adam, and he was told to submit his will
to the Creator alone, without associates, not to worship a stick, a stone, a bone, or anything in creation. So we believe that Islam started with the first man, Adam. Then that concept of submission to the will of one and only one God, not worshiping your desires, not worshiping a human being, anything in creation, was the same way of life that was preached and teached
Yeah.
with every messenger that God Almighty sent, and from Abraham, Noah, Moses, you name it, many of the biblical prophets, they all call their people to worship one and only one God, and to submit their will, like the Lord's Prayer. You hear the Lord's Prayer, O our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done. We say this is Islam. So just like at that time, if Abraham was asked if he ever heard this term human,
He was a human, but he never heard that term human. But now, if he was a human, he was. Same thing if you... There's a verse in the Quran where God Almighty is saying, Abraham, he wasn't a Jew or a Christian, but he was one who submitted his will to God Almighty. That's what a Muslim is. That's why...
These defining these terms is so important because you know you think Muslim you think an Arab in the desert you'll think Islam It's like some religion just it's a new religion that started with Muhammad. No, no We say it started with the first man Adam. It continued with Moses Abraham Jesus peace be upon him They all call people to Islam to submit your will to the will of God and they were all Muslims They were all ones who submitted their will to one and only one God and
It's very simple to understand. And then when you mention God, it goes with the innate nature. There's a beautiful verse in the Quran, it's 112 chapters where it says,
unique, the eternal. He begets not nor is he begotten, meaning that he's not born of anyone nor does he die. He doesn't have children, a DNA of zip code, an area code. No. And there's nothing comparable to him. Nothing. Nothing. You cannot compare anyone or anything to God. This is the pure monotheism. This is what distinguishes Islam for every other ism, is the pure monotheism.
So I hope I answered your question. So we say it's not a new religion started with Muhammad. It's just the finality. He was just the final messenger, completing it with the living miracle that we have today, which is the Quran, because Jesus at his time, to prove he was a messenger, he did certain miracles. But if you were to ask an atheist today, show me those miracles, it's not a mess.
You couldn't show them. But we believe in them. But today, anyone who takes a scientific, analytical approach, they will see from the preservation of the Quran, to the prophecies, to many of the scientific statements. There's the literary miracle of the Quran. There's just too many things that it doesn't add up that this would come from just a human being. So it's not blind faith in Islam. You use the faculties that God Almighty gave you. You look into the Quran. You look into the life of Prophet Muhammad. And then, like myself and many, you're like,
Uh-uh, this is not possible. This can come from a human being. And then you submit.
Do you have a lot of Christians who convert or change? Do you have that a lot? You can go and watch. I've been doing this since early 2000. We've got hundreds and hundreds of programs with people. I have a good friend. He's from Romania. He's Gabriel Romani.
He's somebody who was a Christian and he accepted Islam.
of the concepts of God that are out there. And then they looked into all the different religions, like myself, and
And they saw that Islam just made the most sense. Like you're saying, the things that it fixed the problems, you know, of society, gave solutions, not only on how to go to the from the smallest things, how to go to the bathroom, to how to run your home and how to run a country. Everything is laid out. And it doesn't make sense that this human being could have came up with these things, you know. Yeah, it's true. It's absolutely it's absolutely interesting. And that's where the base of my faith comes from, my my my respect for it all.
Tell me tell me this you said if we remove all the garbage in the fairy tales if men are true to their biology No, man is a one woman man. Oh
What?
I truly actually believe that. I believe if you, a lot of, I think that,
Obviously, OK, we're humans, right? We exist as biological animals and then we exist with the degree of societal programming. And I think the femme centric societies of the West have convinced men that we should have one woman and one woman only. And I can get conspiracy theorists on why that is, but I think a lot of it is down.
to the fact that they are trying very hard in the Western world to suppress the will of man.
They want...
the Western male to a degree to be suppressed and not suppressed in a way which empowers him. Because I think there's different degrees of suppression, right? You can be suppressed in a way which will empower you.
But you can also be suppressed in a way which will just destroy your will to fight.
And I think a lot of that is down to
not down to this, but every single thing they do, every single thing society purports to a degree is not to empower men.
And you're more likely to feel powerful as a man if you have...
three wives or if you have a lot of female who adore you
right? But if you have one chick
who doesn't obey you, who you can't divorce without losing the house.
who won't even have sex with you and doesn't want to have your kids and you're stuck with her.
It's pretty hard to find warrior spirit. It's hard to act like a king if you don't feel like a king in your own household.
And I think that if you were to go to any man in the world,
and be honest with him and say, look,
uh it's perfectly acceptable for you to have this woman she's going to be loyal to you she's going to love you she's going to stay with you she's your wife
And you can also have this one and she's going to be your wife, same deal.
I do not think there's a man alive who would say no to that.
I really don't. Why would he? Why would he? Right. I think society tells us we're supposed to only have one. But
i i understand in islam you can have four i think i but i'm not an expert you are
but um
I just think it's natural human nature to enjoy the company more than one female. Or I think if you're a man of means, you could easily have more than one wife. I think that's perfectly normal. And I think that's been beaten out of the Western male as a suppression mechanism. Inshallah, God willing, when you do take your shahada, which is simply a testimony that there's, again, that's like in the Adhan, when you were listening to it and you were in your car, that simple statement that there's nothing worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is a messenger.
Do you see yourself being someone...
that would need four wives.
Because somebody in your state, is that something where now this, if you want to be someone who's devoted to God 100%, and now it's in marriage, and now God is giving you an avenue, is this also another proof? Because I actually have Christians come to me and say, you know what, Eddie, you know, scratching their head. I had one professor of jiu-jitsu. I teach Brazilian jiu-jitsu, great jiu-jitsu. And a friend of mine, we're on the mats together, and out of nowhere he comes to me and says, Eddie, you know what, I've been thinking about this. He goes, you know, it makes sense that man can have more one wife.
he's using his logic and just he just out of nowhere came up with this. But you know what else more than one wife will give you?
It'll give you children faster.
Because because.
even the most...
atheistic or the most Christian men I know, they might have two or three babies and it'll take five to six years by the time the woman is pregnant, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. And they said, I'd love to have more kids. My wife's finished now, etc.
Look, if you're a man of means financially, let's say me, for example, I'm financially very well off. I'd love to have 10 children.
I can't get that from one woman. Maybe. OK, maybe I could. Right. But you understand the point. Right. So there's there's also a bunch of other benefits to having four wives. Just just have a nice, big, large family. I mean, why be a man? This is why you're on the planet, right? You're on the planet to spread your genes and spread your ideas and to conquer the best you can. It's inside of every single male. We all have that natural.
instinct inside of us, the masculine instinct for conquest,
That's why we...
went to war like we did since the dawn of human time, right? You want to have a nice, you want to be old on your rocking chair and look down at all your children who obey you.
And you want to be proud with what you've done. And yeah, having a bunch of wives makes a whole bunch of sense. It makes a bunch of sense. Like, I don't see why they wouldn't. Now, obviously, the Western female will say that's disgusting. But the Western female will sleep with the guy she met for 10 minutes. And she thinks that's not disgusting. So her entire worldview is absolutely distorted.
I don't think there's anything wrong with with with many women sharing a man who has the means to take care of them and provide for them. I think that's completely natural. Many people, they you know, they twist this and they think this is like some harem of a Muslim with all these women and whatnot. They get this Hollywood image or whatnot. But, you know, when people this is a woman's actual right, you know, a woman to choose the best man out there to go ahead.
a strong family this is a responsibility this is not just something where you're just playing with them you're taking her on you're caring for her you know and not every man can do this it takes a man to do this and many you know you talk about this also the difference between and fill us in what's a beta male alpha male and woman you know the hypergamy women looking for the the best men out there and a lot of them you also talk about men have turned into cowards you know what i mean
So, you know, and somebody, let's say, who's used to, who's in, who is used to, let's say, a famous person, a celebrity, a man of status. And you also give this example, like through history, the sultans, the leaders, the conqueror, whoever, the highest men of society. This was something that they all had multiple wives. You know, they had multiple women. So now to limit a man in this stature, in this status to just one. But now you have an avenue that God has allowed to.
What do you say?
But this is the exact point, right? This is why a lot of the degeneracy that exists amongst Western world leadership exists. Like if you look at,
Rich men in the West, right? A rich man in the West.
especially a political someone who works in politics they're only allowed by society and by christian law to have one woman and they have this one woman and they're not satisfied with her so what do they end up doing they end up looking for secrets they want to do things that nobody's going to know about so what do they do in secret well we can go down the the rabbit hole of epstein's island and xyz and all the crazy degenerate disgusting things they do just to pretend and and
no man is satisfied with that. And when it comes, they're not satisfied, they're out there doing whatever they can in secret. And basically a lot of it's absolutely degenerate. Whereas if you look at the leader of UAE, he has seven, eight wives, but that means he doesn't need to go down any kind of degenerate Avenue because he's satisfied as an individual and he's satisfied with his status. Look, as a man, especially if you're a high status male, you want to be satisfied with that status, right? I have worked very, very hard to become a high status male. So I want to drive a car that
or relationships that reflect that. Nobody wants to become the richest man in the world to sit around with one chick who doesn't obey them.
Nobody's interested in that. And that's why they go down the path of degeneracy. That's why I think the Western world is so degenerate, because they're not allowed to live out their natural male instinct. They're not allowed to live out their masculine instinct.
Even if you look at, let's say, a country which is still Christian, but is not bound by the same societal rules, if you look at, let's say, Russia, right?
Every rich man in Russia, every oligarch,
He has a wife, but he has five 19-year-old girlfriends, and society's fine. So there's no Epstein's Island. There's no Hunter Biden's laptop and cracked-out prostitutes and all this insanity. And all that just basically comes down to the fact that they've told rich, powerful men they're allowed one woman only.
And they end up just going down a path of secrecy and degeneracy to try and feel satisfied. And that's another thing that Islam fixes because you can be a man of stature.
a rich, powerful man, have four wives that reflect that. And I think four wives are probably about enough for any guy. So you'll, you'll be okay. You're not going to start running around the world doing insane, insane things. That's the limit there for four wives. Uh,
So tell me then, just since you mentioned Ukraine, that's another example. If all the men go out because, you know, you have this this whole movement with the feminism,
And now the men are the ones who are stepping up, going out and getting killed in the war. And now let's say you have an abundance of women. Doesn't this solves the problem? No.
Absolutely it does yeah and it's I mean the whole feminism argument is amazing how Quickly that disappears when war starts right So that's out the window but yeah it does Fix the problem and And also the
It's kind of sad. Like I live in Romania, which is next door to Ukraine. And since the war started, I get I'm getting a lot of messages from girls who live in Ukraine trying to come visit, come live with me in Romania, effectively kind of run away to a degree. And it's kind of sad. Like, imagine being a man in a trench in the freezing cold to defend the country.
And then the most beautiful women of your country are just trying to use Instagram to bounce to some millionaire's house. Like, I don't know, man, the whole dynamic is, is kind of scary to me. I, I really, and that's another thing. Like, I,
When we talked, we go back a point, not to over iterate, but to go back to what we were talking about earlier about how you cannot disrespect the Islamic faith. I understand and respect the people, even all the wars that happened in the world. It makes so much more sense to me to fight for an idea or a religion or a faith than it ever would be to fight for a country, for example. I don't think there's any country on earth worth believing in. I do think it's worth believing in God. I don't think it's worth believing in any country. I think it's probably the only thing worth fighting for and defending.
I would not be interested in defending Ukraine as a sovereign state because I know too much about politics and corruption and how it all works. And I understand the world too well to go get blown up for no reason. You know, so it's another thing that's interesting. So, yeah, it's certainly an interesting world. But when you when you take.
religion or faith as a whole out of the world.
There's very little left.
but just degeneracy,
Hedonism,
corruption on every level.
And then what's your life purpose, right? What are you trying to do? Okay.
You try and have a bunch of kids, maybe that's probably the most noble thing you could do. But if you're going to do that without any kind of religious framework to install in them, without any kind of faith for them to grow up under, then who are they going to become? Are they just going to become people who consume Netflix and new slaves to the to the new world order? Is that what you want? Is that why you want to have children so that they can be raised by a school system which teaches them to hate you?
It's like you remove, you remove faith and remove religion from, from, from your life. There's nothing else out here. What are you going to do? Eat star, drink Starbucks every day and get rich to buy a new iPad. Like, is that going to satisfy you?
It's kind of crazy to me. And this is coming from someone who was an atheist. And
I talk to atheists now and I say to them, "Why are you alive? What are you living for?" And their answer is always,
Fail to impress me. Let's leave it at that.
Tell me what's the difference quickly before I go to my next question and I got a I got a surprise for you I got a guest that just came into town and he's somebody also who you can learn a lot from you can watch some of his videos very well known out there his name is a
Naman Ali Khan and you'll see him he just walked into the studio. It's just coincidence that I got you now and he's an expert actually in the subject of Quran and
right that we touched upon a little bit so uh he'll i liked him to just come in and ask a
ask a question or two, he's here next. He just walked in actually, we just came to the studio. But what's the difference, when you talk about, talk about for these terms, in my generation, we didn't really hear much of these terms, like beta male, alpha male, what's the difference between a beta and alpha? What is it for someone like my father who never heard these terms, how would you define it? But he knows.
He'll know when you describe it what that is.
Yeah, it's actually quite hard to define. I think it's because it can be overused and it can be largely misunderstood. But I think if I had to try and break it down to the most base level, I think an alpha male is a man that other men want to be.
and I think a beta male is a man other men are not trying to emulate in any degree, right? If you put 100 men in a room, it's very easy to point to the five or six men every man wishes they was or would like to be more like.
And I think that's what an alpha male is. And I think women can detect that
you know, uh, even better than anyone else. Cause they're instinctually driven to detect that. So that's what I'd say an alpha male is. And I'd say a beta male is somebody who does not have those qualities. So nobody looks at him and goes, I want to be more like him, or I want to know what he knows, or I want to live like he lives.
you talk about the father should be a superhero you know to these children but he's turned into kind of like a
What did you say?
Yeah, I mean, but my father was a superhero, right? I was raised in a way in which I really viewed my father as a superhero. But that was also based on the fact that he did not submit to the will of my mother.
Right. If you have a man who's scared of his wife, can he truly be a superhero in any regard? And that's a question. I don't know. I don't think so. I can't imagine a man who's scared of his wife acting like a superhero because women have completely different life goals and instincts to men. This is something that most people forget and don't understand. I have it all the time.
I get a chick or whatever and she says I wish you didn't work so much Why are you always busy why are you always working
The fact that I'm always busy and always working is the reason you were attracted to me in the first place.
But now that you have me, you're going to pretend I shouldn't be doing those things.
You're going to try and change me. Now you want me to stop working, right? That's the only reason we even, that's the only reason you were even attracted to me in the first place.
It's kind of amazing. And if you allow a female to impose her will on you as a man, no matter what she says about how it's going to make you better and make her happier, etc., it always leads to the same place, which is misery for both parties.
You have to be an iron frame. You have to be resilient to the insidious, because it's insidious, right? They try very, very hard. They're very, very clever. They cook nice meals. They're warm.
And they're all like, baby, you don't have to go. Don't go, Jim. Stay here with me, et cetera, et cetera. And I think that's a very dangerous path to walk down. But I was lucky to grow up in a household where my father never, ever, ever listened to my mother. Not in a disrespectful way, just in a very much like, okay, thanks for talking. I appreciate your point of view, but no.
So that's who he was, right? What would you say to him is one proof that he can look at to confirm that Islam is, the Quran is not a man-made book, and Islam is not a man-made religion, it's indeed from the divine?
being an expert in the Quran.
Well, lots can be said. I'd start off by my own journey to share. Can you hear him? A couple of things. Can you hear him, Andrew? Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
Nice talking to you. I think that I what I like to do when I meet with audiences, professors of other faiths and you know intellectuals anybody,
is that I'd like to invite them to explore the Quran
intellectually and critically.
That's an invitation that the Quran gives. It's interesting that people perceive religion as something that you have to be indoctrinated into.
and you have to follow it as the dictates are and you don't have to actually critically ask any questions or
think and contemplate. And the Quran
is kind of unique in the way that it presents its message, because it's constantly saying, don't you then think.
Don't you contemplate.
haven't you asked questions? This is a book for those who seek to have answers. It's not actually asking you to shut your brain off and
Accept what it's saying. It's actually asking you to contemplate its message. So it stands really unique in that sense My own you know since it offered that invitation to me I didn't come to the Quran first as someone who believes in it as wanted to figure this thing out and you know trying to make sense of it and many of the things that I struggled with in philosophy and
When I was a student of philosophy,
They started getting unraveled as I was...
getting deeper and deeper in my study of the Quran. It just started kind of
untying a lot of those knots. And it's also remarkable that
some of the biggest addictions that people suffer from.
Every one of them is targeted one after the other in the Qur'an.
Some of the things that plague humanity more, like gambling, for example, alcohol, for example, intoxication, for example. Each of these things is targeted, and you think it's not just solving a Muslim problem. It's solving a human problem.
It's solving a societal problem. It's solving a global problem by targeting each of these specific things. The other thing that really fascinated me, I ended up writing a book on it, ended up getting taught around the world. Alhamdulillah, it's even being used in one of the Islamic studies courses at Harvard now, is Divine Speech. It's a book I dedicated along with my student to, why is this book...
Why am I believing that it's divine?
What's making me think this? And I wrote it for a non-Muslim audience actually.
It's a little bit academic, but the point of it was there are elements to this book
and the way that it's structured. That if you first, if you went to the library, or you got on Amazon and bought yourself a translation of the Qur'an, you started reading it,
you think the subject is kind of going all over the place.
It's not staying on the same subject.
It's saying some profound things, but the organization seems unlike anything I've ever read. And that was one of the things that baffled me at first. Why is it organized in this way? And so one of the areas of my study became the organization of the Qur'an. Why is it organized in this way? Why is God talking in this disarray? What I discovered was something absolutely breathtaking.
that it's got a symmetrical structure.
that you'll have a chapter, for example, that's hundreds of verses, like Beqarah 286 verses. It's an oral tradition, so it wasn't written first, it was
recited and pronounced and memorized in that way
amounts to about 50 pages in Arabic.
Right. But if you study the subject matter,
the nine subjects that are occurring in this long,
50-page discourse,
are like subject one is directly tied to subject nine, and two to eight, and three to seven, and four to six, and five right center in the middle.
Like there's an incredible three-dimensional structure
to the way the argument is being presented. Like human beings we think linear, right? I'm going to make point A, then I'm going to make point B, then I'm going to make point C. That's how I organize my thoughts.
And unless you write something down and say, you know what, I'm going to do this and just for fun, I'm going to do ABC and then go CBA.
Even doing that in six sentences is hard for me as I'm sitting here talking to you because my brain isn't wired that way. But this millennium and a half old tradition has got multiple surahs.
and multiple chapters.
where this kind of a structure is demonstrated over and over again in other kinds of structures, you're like, this is not possible for a human being to do. Linguistically, it's not possible. I'm a student of linguistics.
It's just not possible. These kinds of structures, this kind of organization. That's one of the things I wrote about in the book and I ended up teaching courses on this stuff.
But just to take a step back level, my invitation to anybody is put your preconceived notions aside. Take what you may have heard about Islam, what you may have thought about it from your own faith traditions point of view. Put all of that aside. I wouldn't even invite somebody to read the Qur'an to accept Islam. Read the Qur'an.
neutrally,
and get a first, you know, an unbiased impression. And I would think it's really difficult to not walk away truly being moved.
by what you're being exposed to, truly being hit by what you're exposed to. The final thing I'll say is there is a huge tragedy in the world today that even most Muslims aren't as aware of the
Quran as they should be.
So Muslims don't become a really good representation of the contents of the book. So even disconnecting yourself from the Muslim bias. I'm just going to read this for myself.
with no other influences as much as possible. At the end of the day, human beings are going to have some bias or the other.
But as much as I can consciously be
disconnect it from bias and give it a shot and read it, I think that that would be my invitation to anybody.
Andrew, any final question, anything you'd like to ask him while he's here? What happened was, because we got delayed with the program,
Next guest was coming in, so I'm with you. But this is amazing. You can look him up, actually, online.
and you'll see a ton of his videos.
I'm going to, I'm going to read that book as well. Cause it was really interesting what you were saying. It was really interesting what you were saying. I'd like to send you a copy as a gift. And also your invitation is exactly the way I would have done it anyway. I would have read it.
I'm going to read it. I've yet to read the Quran, but it's certainly something I'm going to do. I'm going to read it without a preconceived notion, without a preconceived idea. And I think that's the best way to do things because you're right. There's too much bias in the world. But from what I know, I think we just talked about for the last hour, from what I know, I have absolute...
respect for the religion and respect for the faith and i've been very very blessed to be on the show so thank you very much for having me i appreciate it thank you thank you very so you're i'm from chicago from chicago also this is your hometown do you visit chicago at all you plan on visiting anytime i'll be honest with you not too often i i if i do come through i'll hit you up i
i'm i'm politically opposed to the usa i try and avoid it or or you know what you got your private jet so when i go to bosnia i mean you could fly can you fly into bosnia
Yeah, I can absolutely. I can come. I can come to my kickboxing coaches Bosnia as well. Yeah. What was his name?
mir subasic or subacic i don't know how he said okay yeah i know most i know i know most of the the top guys over there the kickboxes and everything would be they'd love to so you but you never visited bosnia did you ever visit i've yet to visit but i've heard it's an absolutely beautiful place and and the bosnian people are some of the most resilient dangerous they're the bosnian people you don't want to mess with the bosnians would you ever consider taking a trip how long is the plane ride from romania to bosnia uh hour hour and a half it's not far yeah how about
Is it possible? How much advance notice would you need? Let's keep talking about it. Let's do it sometime this summer for sure, bro. Let's do it.
Okay, it was an honor. Very nice talking with you, brother. Thank you, my friend. All right, thank you. God bless you. All right, peace.
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