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He is three-time ISKA kickboxing world champion, son of chess master Emery Tate. He is Andrew Tate at Cobra Tate on Twitter. And he started a triggering of immense proportions amongst verified liberals on Twitter over the past few days.
When he tweeted, this is the tweet, depression isn't real. You feel sad, you move on. You will always be depressed if your life is depressing. Change it.
And of course, the response to that when I said I was going to have him on the show today, this is one example. Someone tweeted at me, an unqualified idiot interviews another unqualified idiot. Amazing stuff. They will bond well.
Well, apologies, but noted doctor and mental health expert J.K. Rowling was unavailable for interview. So I'm talking with Andrew Tate, and that's what really gets to me. This idea that, oh, you have to be an expert to talk about anything. You have to be an expert, a medical doctor, a psychiatrist to talk about depression. Oh, but by the way, if you write children's books about wizards like J.K. Rowling does, you're an anointed expert on absolutely everything, and you're the bastion of credibility.
No, we're going to talk about it, even if it triggers you, so let's do it. Andrew, welcome to the show.
Thank you very much. And you made a fantastic point with that.
argument of authority that
you know you must be qualified to have an opinion on something if that was the case i think every single person who's ever voted would need a
doctorate in political science and of course that's absolutely not the case you're allowed to have an informed opinion
with or without
a doctorate and as you said, most of the verified
liberals who replied to me were absolutely qualified in nothing so it's ridiculous and even say
It's like saying that women shouldn't be allowed to vote because they're not informed enough. It's just not an argument. Like J.K. Rowling's a psychiatrist expert. No, we're going to have an opinion on it. You know, deal with it. But anyway, let's get into it.
But, I mean, Andrew, whatever we're doing doesn't seem to be working, right?
Well, I think...
This whole epidemic about depression is basically...
a misunderstanding of what depression is. People are talking about depression like it's this big external monster.
Like it's this condition you're going to catch regardless, like the common cold, and it's something that can't be avoided, regardless of how good your life is and how perfect your life is, is going to strike out of nowhere and you have zero self-control and zero ability to fight against it. And when people believe this rhetoric.
When people like J.K. Rowling and these celebrities think that they're destroying the stigmas, they were saying I was propagating a stigma.
All they're doing is telling people you're helpless to control your own mind.
You're helpless to defend yourself against any kind of negative thought, and the only answer,
is to completely circum and surrender
and take these pills.
I do not believe depression is the monster people are saying it is. I believe it's a situational...
uh phenomenon if you're in a situation you're unhappy with if you're in depressing surroundings you're going to feel depressed if you decide to be proactive and get healthy and build a business and do good things with your life you're going to be proud of yourself and you're going to be happy
I think this is fairly obvious.
And a lot of the reason that these young people are suffering from depression,
It's because they're lazy or they're dissatisfied with their life.
And instead of thinking, oh, I need to do something about this,
They buy into the propaganda, which is
being splurted out by people like JK Rowling. And they think the only answer is to take pills because depression is a horrible monster that struck them out of nowhere. And that's absolutely false. It's not true.
Now to be clear, Andrew, when we talk about depression, and we are talking about the majority of cases,
We're not denying that traumatic events, grief for example, PTSD for soldiers who fight in wars, you know, losing the loved one or whatever, specific traumatic events, we're not denying that those things can cause even long-term depression, right? We're talking about something that's related to bad lifestyle choices, not individual traumatic events.
Absolutely. It's perfectly normal for a human being to feel sad or depressed or upset about something or upset about a situation.
I'm not saying that. When I said depression wasn't real,
I was discussing people's attitude towards depression because people's attitude towards depression is I've caught depression.
It's like Ebola.
You know, I was going through my life.
And everything was fine. And I love everything, but I caught depression. And now it's impossible for me to be happy.
And that is absolutely not true. Everyone has been sad. Everyone has felt depressed. But you have two kinds of people.
You have people who accept it's part of being human.
Accept it's part of life and push forward and you have people who succumb to it completely and
and decided nothing they can do about it, and the whole world should feel sorry for them.
And when I pointed this out to people, people got extremely violent with their defense. And that's purely because...
The truth often upsets people. It doesn't favor. It doesn't favor people who like to have excuses for their life.
And that's why they were so desperate to defend it. If depression is such a horrible monster, and I'm saying there's a way around it, there's a way you can feel better, the fact that they'll come on Twitter and wish my death
We're trying to tell them they can feel better shows just
how desperate they are to have this excuse for their life and their life choices. Depression is absolutely situational, and you have a choice if you're going to succumb to depression or not. It's as simple as that.
Which is why it's kind of ironic when you get accused of being harmful by JK Rowling for committing this blasphemy. And that's basically what it is at this point. These people are more militant than vegans when you question veganism. And that's quite a high bar. But the irony behind it is they're the ones telling people there's nothing you can do about it, succumb to it, take pills. Yet depression and suicides just keep on increasing.
They can't do anything about it. But let me throw this one at you, Andrew. If we accept that the majority of cases of depression, which of course most people don't, but that's our position on it. I did a video on this a few months ago. But if we accept that a lot of it is related to bad lifestyle choices, how do we explain people who have had success, who have accomplished things? I'm talking about people like Buzz Aldrin, historical figures like Winston Churchill complained about having depression, even Abraham Lincoln.
actors, actresses that achieve great success but then go on to be depressed anyway. How do we explain that if we're saying that depression is about people not achieving life goals and making bad choices?
Well, I think depression is absolutely reactionary to your surroundings. So you can be successful and still be unhappy with certain elements of your life, which can still lead you down a path of depression. But it's very interesting. You mentioned Winston Churchill, for example. He said he was depressed.
yet still functioned, still led the country in a war and was successful.
He didn't do what a lot of these young people nowadays are doing when they say they're depressed and just refuse to work, pretend they can't get out of bed.
Pretend it's absolutely impossible for them to go to the gym.
while he managed to achieve amazing things whilst citing he had depression than others. And I think one of the main reasons why,
especially nowadays in the modern world,
these societies, celebrities succumb to depression. It's because they believe the stigma. They believe the stigma that people are saying I'm propagating is not a harmful stigma.
The stigma that has been propagated by people like JK Rowling is the harmful stigma.
the idea that there is this unbeatable, untreatable, crazy monster that will enter your life and destroy you. If you believe that, you are going to lose. If you externalize any problem in the world,
you're going to lose. If you're an alcoholic,
and you want to say i have alcoholism
You're in a losing fight. If you believe that this is something that you can't help and it's going to destroy your life while you continue to get up. That's right. Store.
buy alcohol, drink alcohol, and come home and do it on repeat. And you want to pretend it's nothing to do with you. So it's a white flag. Alex Jones here, Andrew Tate. I'm having my lunch watching you and Paul. I've just got to invite you on my main show because I was already aware of your work, but it's amazing hearing you speak with Paul. It's so rational and real. There's a spectrum, a responsibility in life. If you're not doing the right thing, you're going to feel depressed. So that's a motivation for me when I'm not doing enough and not executing the way I know. Then I'll get a little bit bummed out.
is something to ignite the fury in me to have victory. But beyond that,
If you drink a bottle of whiskey, you got a huge headache from inflammation. That causes depression. It goes away once you're hydrated. If you got heat stroke, it feels like you're depressed. If I get sunburned or hike 20 miles and don't drink enough water and get dehydrated, I feel depressed until I drink enough electrolytes. So there's a lot of things in here, but all the studies show forest bathing, getting outside, that empowers us. Only watching TV, staying indoors, not getting enough sunlight in our eyes, that causes depression. So we ask, why is it all getting worse?
indoor sedentary lifestyle is the main trigger, then the drugs are admittedly more dangerous than anything out there. And so there's a lot of factors. And Big Pharma has these people like J.K. Rawlings, who has PR folks tweeting for, that's not J.K. Rawlings, knowing that they're trying to push people into desperateness, just like earlier this year, the Facebook documents got leaked by
uncontrolled. We want to isolate them with bots that aren't real friends. I just had to pop in with that. You guys are awesome.
Thank you. And I completely, completely agree with you. I mean, the number one way you stop anybody being concerned with the real issues of this world.
The real issues that we discuss on this show is to make them so concerned and caught up in the fact that someone said a bad word to them once, but they're now depressed because of Internet bullying. I've just been Internet bullied for three days straight, and I can guarantee you I'm 0% depressed. So that's it. In fact, you're empowered. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. They're turning them into permanent basket case victims.
Absolutely. It's crazy. You know, the thing about it, especially when you're talking about the antidepressants,
uh someone said to me someone tweeted at me like what about robin williams
And I did some very 10 second research. I saw that Robin Williams saw a psychiatrist for 12 years before he eventually committed suicide. And my understanding is as follows. If he would have walked into that psychiatrist's office and said, I'm depressed. And the psychiatrist said, my friend, you're a millionaire. You're famous. You don't even have to grow old gracefully. You can have 19 year old girlfriends for the rest of your life.
The people in here have real problems. Stop embarrassing yourself. Get out of here.
To this day, he'd still be alive.
But instead, the therapist... That's the point, Andrew. I mean, it's not as if we've pulled this out of thin air, okay? It's called stoicism. It's a branch of philosophy. This is a real, you know, movement of thought. We haven't just made it up and started making YouTube videos about it. This exists as a branch of philosophy and as a way of treating depression. I want to ask you, Andrew, though...
you know, we talked about the stigma. To what extent is society and culture to blame for fetishizing depression? Because now we're told, of course, that it's normal to be emotionally incontinent. You have people on television constantly breaking down in tears. That's basically the foundation of reality television. You know, YouTube is full of these privileged whiny millennial brats talking about how depressed they are for views.
How...
Much has depression become a kind of virtue signaling for narcissists who just want attention.
narcissist is completely the right word because the reality of earth and the reality of life
is that everybody is trying to be, to a degree,
individual everyone is it doesn't matter if you're chasing money so you can have the car other people can't have it doesn't matter if you're a kickboxer it doesn't matter if you're a journalist it doesn't matter what you do
If you have a healthy, normal human mindset, you're going to want to do something to differentiate yourself. And the easiest cop-out,
The easiest cop out to be different is to wake up and for no reason say, I have bipolar.
I have ADHD. I have depression.
I have this. I'm special. I'm not like everyone else. I have this. And this is just an absolute cop out on a desperate bid for individuality. Since I tweeted this, I've had tens of thousands of people inbox me.
saying i'm depressed and i have adhd and i have this and i have that naming 25 diseases as if there's some kind of amazing unique special snowflake i'm never going to be possible to understand i understand you're lazy i understand you're incapable of concentrating on something long enough to give yourself a differentiating factor in life other than just complaining
And that's the world we live in now. And we're supposed to accept this. When I meet someone. Well, absolutely. I've read the three-volume History of the British Peoples by Churchill, an amazing guy. And I wouldn't even call it really depression. It was more stoic. He was super serious and had such responsibility and was so focused with the weight and the will he had that he was just could feel the pressure and called that depression. But it was really what the Romans called being stoic.
And really, you could call it depressed because they had such a vision that they had to commit that will. But I wouldn't even call it. It's just it's the opposite of being a narcissist. It's like being totally connected. I'm not I'm not saying depression is a good thing, but that's just some spectrum name they use.
Yeah, I think, yeah, the depression Winston Churchill suffered from allowed him to win World War Two. The depression that these millennial brats suffer from prevent them from working at McDonald's because they believe they're entitled to millions for no reason. And they want to have a car like everyone else on Instagram. And they don't see why they're not instantly happy without any kind of hard work.
They're completely different things to compare the two depressions.
isn't even accurate in my perspective.
When I see these 19 year olds with nothing wrong with their life saying they're depressed, they genuinely need nothing more than to man up and be told the truth. And that's the absolute point. That's the point, Andrew. That's the word entitlement. It's like no one's entitled to be happy. OK, you earn happiness through hard work and good choices. Your mood can't be independent of the way you live your life. The two.
not only complement each other, they're completely dependent on each other. Again, it's this whiny millennial entitled society that just thinks that they can go through life being rewarded without having to put hard work, effort in, and not making bad choices. And we're not saying that that's all depression, that depression doesn't exist if people lose loved ones, if they have PTSD. But that is a huge majority of the cases. And when we come back after the break, I just want to talk briefly about the pharmaceutical aspect to this. Paul, I'm skipping the break.
Let's go for it. Let's get the right.
Andrew, let's talk about the pharmaceutical aspect.
I mentioned the fact that depression in America or antidepressant usage has increased 400% over the past two decades. It's been recharacterized as a pathological disease. It's a lifelong medical condition. That wasn't the case less than 50 years ago. It was seen as temporary unhappiness.
Do you think that there could be any kind of motivation, Andrew, for massive pharmaceutical companies to turn this into a pathological disease, therefore creating a profit motive? Do you think that's possible at all? It's more than possible. And there's two things I want to say on this. And the first thing, which is quite important, is that I believe people like Robin Williams, the reason they killed themselves is because for 12 years they sat in a psychiatrist's office talking about bad things.
ever while taking mind-altering drugs daily.
messing with their brain chemistry it doesn't matter how mentally strong you are they could put me in that scenario and alter my drug alter my brain chemistry with these drugs and talk about bad things every day for 12 years i'll feel like killing myself the same so the reason he eventually did it is not because of depression it's because of the treatment to depression the treatment to depression is what's making these things even worse
You know, that's the first point I want to make. And the second point I want to make is, it's amazing, like you said,
where depression is more commonplace in these rich countries where people can afford these kind of
you know, treatment.
It's amazing that this disease or this chronic illness seems to respect country borders. It's the only illness I've never ever found that, of course, if it's not situational, has nothing to do with your situation. It should be universal across the human race. It should be exactly the same on a tiny little island in the Pacific as it is in America. It's nothing to do with the situation you're living in.
So I don't know at what point depression is getting to the customs office and saying, oh, no, I have a visa. I can't go over there.
It's ridiculous. The reason people are not depressed over there is because no one buys into this garbage. It's not a real thing.
and it's just an externalization that allows them to absolve responsibility from their life and you said it perfectly paul you said absolutely perfectly if depression was something if your mindset was completely independent to the life you live
Why wouldn't we all just catch a case and go to jail? You get free room, free board. You haven't got to work a job. And I should be happy in there just the same. Absolutely not. I'd be a depressed individual because my surroundings are depressing. So it's in these rich countries exactly as you said. But it's not your opinion, Andrew or Paul. All the major antidepressants have to put a warning on the label that it causes psychotic breaks, suicide, and megalomania.
There's the proof. And this is what they're saying to treat depression. You know, I read something really interesting when someone tweeted at me saying there's zero evidence for my my my standpoint. Lauren Mosher was the former chief of schizophrenic research at the National Institute of Mental Health. And he concluded.
After two years,
of study that there is no biological condition of depression because in 100 of cases there's nothing actually wrong with the brain you can't detect anything wrong with the human brain for these depressed people there's nothing wrong with their brain there's something wrong with their state of mind and their outlook on life
And that's something that needs to be changed with willpower and understanding. Instead, the psychiatrist and psychologist hypnotize you into deeper mental illness.
Absolutely. Who wants to sit there and talk about everything bad that's ever happened to them ever while taking mind altering drugs? I'd be afraid to go down that path.
You know, any normal human on earth is going to end up depressed and semi-suicidal after that process.
As opposed to me saying how you cure depression is to wake up and take control of your life and build a life you're happy with. And people attack me like I'm the monster.
I don't, it's really crazy how violently people defend. Because you're up against a big industry, Andrew and Paul. I'm done. This is riveting, riveting radio and TV. Sorry, Paul, go ahead.
Yeah, it's also because their whole life is invested in this life story, this narrative that they've told themselves for years and years, maybe decades in some cases, that their lack of willpower, their lack of success in their own personal life is due to this outside force, so then they never have to take responsibility for it, Andrew.
Absolutely. And this is the number one goal of a loser. When I said depressives were losers, I obviously weren't talking about military veterans who lost their legs. Of course I wasn't. I was talking about the 19-year-old in their bedroom with nothing wrong with their life. And the number one goal of a loser is to absolve responsibility.
I'm fat because of my thyroid. I'm sad because of depression. I drink because of alcoholism. No matter what it is, it's not their fault. And they will do anything to defend their excuse. As long as they can defend their excuse, that's the most important thing for them. They don't want to sit there and go, well, this Andrew Tate guy, he grew up broke and he made something of himself.
And I grew up privileged and I made nothing of myself. I must have caught something from the sky. No, they just don't want to accept reality. They don't want to face facts.
And this is when I put it out there to them. The reason everyone got so instantly angry was because they knew it was true. If I were to tweet something like I'm the king of the world, no one would care because it's not true. When you state something which is a fact,
which is
you know indisputable that's the reason everybody got so angry and that's the reason they were so desperate that's the point they're so militant about it i've never seen people as militant about any maybe apart from islamic terrorists maybe they're the only ones more militant if you insult islam or whatever but i mean it's like what you're saying like when i was 17 i was a bit depressed because i was a bit of a loser who didn't have anything going on in my life as soon as i found what i wanted to do with my life was the most happiest i'd ever been again we're not saying
Trent, I want to throw you another one, Andrew, just to the final minute here. So, of course, men are five times more likely to commit suicide. Given society's, you know, increased pressure on men to succeed, does that validate your point that depression is caused by a lack of achievement, or is it more to do with the fact that women, you know, find it easier to get emotional support for depression?
That's a really, really interesting question. And my answer on that is that I genuinely believe if you ask a lot of these people who are depressed,
why they're depressed, the word lonely often pops up. And I don't believe a woman can ever be lonely the way a man is.
I know very low quality, very ugly, very stupid females who still manage to go to the nightclub and not go home alone. If you're a man of a particular standing, if you're a man without any particular merits, if you're a man without any money, without any intelligence, you're not particularly good looking. There's a degree of loneliness that you're going to suffer that a woman is never going to suffer. That does not make depression real. That makes loneliness real. And that means that humans have evolved biologically to seek a mate and you're unhappy that you don't have a girlfriend. That's fine. That does not prove depression is real.
under any circumstance that proves loneliness is real and that's the reason i believe that men suffer from it more than women because men can
you know, suffer loneliness like a woman really never can. I don't believe there's very many women out there who could ever be as genuinely as lonely as some of these men are. That's my point.
point of view on it. All right, Andrew, we've got about 30 seconds left. Tell people where they can find you on Twitter and your website.
My website just shows me fighting. It's takeshinkai.net.
I'm semi-retired now, but I might be coming back. And I'm on Twitter at CobreTate.
I really am surprised by the backlash on this depression thing, but I mean everything I said. The only message I have is to the people who said I was saying this for attention.
I want you to understand I mean every single word I said. And I'm speaking the truth. And you have the choice to agree with me and be a winner in life, or you can make excuses and lose. It's completely up to you. All right, we really appreciate you joining us today, Andrew. And I'm sure the reaction will be triggered, to say the least. Andrew, thanks for joining us today. Thank you, friend.