Transcript
Andrew
It's been...
Well, nearly a year.
since
We last sat down together, very different time. It was in my London studio.
And eight days after that, you...
Got arrested.
What's the year been like for you? It's certainly been an interesting one. I've been constrained this entire year. I spent 93 days in a Romanian dungeon.
five months locked in my house and now I'm restrained within the country of Romania. So it's certainly been a
turbulent time. The moment you got arrested, it was all pretty dramatic. The video came out, the world saw it.
A lot of people smashing into your home.
Did you have any...
inkling, warning that something like this may happen? - I knew it. I kept saying before I was arrested on every single podcast I did, I said, "You get three lives in the world."
The first life, they're gonna cancel you. They're gonna slander you. They're gonna delete your access to social media so you can't defend yourself. The second life, they're gonna try and put you in jail for no reason, and if you continue to speak against the power, they're gonna assassinate you.
I knew I was on my second life. I kept saying it. I knew it was coming. I didn't know the bullshit reason they'd use, but I found out once I was in a cell.
Thank you.
When you were arrested, you didn't speak any Romanian at all? Zero. And they didn't speak English to you? Correct. So you were taken to a cell. You had no idea what they were alleging you'd done? I was arrested on the 27th of December, so because of Christmas and New Year's and other problems, they couldn't even translate my paperwork for two weeks. So for the first two weeks I was in a prison cell, I had no idea why.
I was given papers in Romanian. I could read human trafficking. I understood, but I was like, "Human trafficking who? When? What? None of this makes sense."
I waited two entire weeks inside of my cell before I was given an English translation, and then I realized exactly how ridiculous the whole case was.
Just to clarify, I am accused of helping my friends get big on TikTok. That is what I'm accused of. I told some girls I know how to post on TikTok to become viral when I was at the time the most viral person on the planet. And they are saying I'm a human trafficker for that reason. It is insane. Well, we'll come to what you've been accused of. It's more serious than the way you've categorised it, but we'll come to that.
There is a lot of speculation that the reason the Romanian authorities knew that you were back, because you were en route, I believe, to Dubai for a New Year's Eve party, is that you were interacting with Greta Thunberg on social media and you had a pizza in front of you which came from a well-known Romanian pizza.
store.
Is there any truth to that? I don't think so. I think that they know where I was. A lot of people knew where I was.
and they had instructions from higher up to teach me a lesson. I was on my second life, and that's exactly what I'm going through right now.
There's an irony to your situation because you always said the reason you came to Romania
was precisely because you thought you could
Avoid.
being in this situation? Well, I loved Romania and it's a strong Christian nation with strong traditional values.
I want a life where I'm left alone by government. I don't believe in big government. I'm trying to avoid that.
It felt like Romania was a place which was very safe societally, and the government was not too interested or involved in people's lives.
But things change.
Also, your freedom and your ability to speak the truth is heavily correlated to your insignificance
When you become large and people start listening to what you say, you soon realize you no longer have freedom of speech.
And it doesn't matter where you are on the planet. If they decide you must be assassinated, you will be assassinated.
Thank you.
You in jail.
What was that like? Romanian jail is not English jail. Describe it. What was the cell like?
I have to be careful what I say because I don't want to insult the Romanian justice system, which I'm still beholden to.
However, it's exactly as bad as people would expect it to be.
Luckily it was in the winter so the cockroaches were not too bad.
It was also during Ramadan, so I didn't have to eat so much, which was helpful because of the situation.
I think the most stressful thing about it is I had no idea how long I was going to be in there for. I was dragged from my house. I was given papers in Romania and I didn't know why I was there. I found out why I was there and it was garbage. I couldn't seem to get out. I could have been held for years.
It's very stressful. And the best thing you can do is turn to God and train as hard as possible. I did thousands of push-ups a day every single day. Were you in solitary this morning?
In this period? Three months? No, I wasn't in solitary the entire time. Sometimes I was by myself, sometimes I was with other guys and sometimes I was with my brother.
When you were on your own,
Were they keeping you in there for 24 hours a day? Were you allowed out? No, I wasn't allowed out. There was no yard time. It was 24 hours a day locked in a single room probably.
three or four steps large and you do nothing but stare at the wall and you... How many days did you do that for?
on your own.
11, 12. I mean, that's a pretty...
Grimm.
scenario for anyone. Life Scrim. For you,
always been Mr Confidant.
You said, interestingly, that
you wouldn't categorise what you were feeling as depression because you don't believe in the concept of depression, you and I have argued about that before.
But it sounds to me, from what I've seen you say when you've talked about this, that that was pretty close to depression, what you were feeling. Life's grim. And if you want to be a superhero, you have to understand in every single superhero movie, he is losing for 80% of the movie. He's going to suffer for the majority of the movie before he wins at the end. I've always wanted an exceptional life, Pierce, and I'm not a coward. And I knew that by telling the truth about certain issues, I was going to pay the price for it.
So I won't say that I deserve to be in jail, but I certainly put myself in there by telling the truth to the populace and telling the truth in living. But when you're on your own in that cell,
What were you thinking?
It's a long time to self-reflect, right? It certainly is.
And I think my number one concern when I was in jail, despite the fact that my situation was dire, were my concerns as a man and all the people I have to take care of, and my children and my family and the people I pay for, and all the people who work for me.
truthfully I wasn't worried about myself I was worried about everybody else and I think that's the true masculine frame. Did you get emotional?
Did you shed tears in yourself?
I'm an emotional man.
I think men are hyper emotional. We just have to control it.
I was extremely busy inside of my jail cell.
I had lots of push-ups to do.
I was very concerned about the people on the outside.
I was trying my best to get out.
It's difficult for me to answer the question because it was an interesting frame of mind.
I knew that God was watching and I had to perform. It's very difficult for me to go through life saying, I'm the top G, I'm this, I'm that, and speak about mental resilience and mental toughness. And then the second I'm thrown inside of a solitary confinement cell, cower out.
I'm not that person. There's some other people who talk about mental toughness and want to give advice, and when bad things happen to them, they end up addicted to prescription drugs.
I'm not a coward and I'm not a liar. No, but...
it would be perfectly natural to be emotional in that scenario.
And there's no shame in admitting that.
I was emotional, I missed people.
I missed them and I knew they missed me.
So I felt a strong sense of missing. - But you cried?
There were tears that ran down my face, but I did not cry.
I mean, that's crying.
I would disagree.
Because you're worried about admitting that, you think it sounds weak. Absolutely not. That's a perfectly fine scenario to cry in, but I think the act of crying is an act of desperation to sit and to cry.
is an act in and of itself to do push-ups, thinking of your children with tears running down your face, but you're concerned with finishing as many push-ups as possible within that day. I do not consider that crying. I consider that tears running down my face.
When you found out what they were...
alleging you'd done.
sexual assault, exploitation and so on. What did you feel about that? What was your first reaction? My first reaction was ah the standard playbook.
The standard playbook for anybody who speaks up against power is sexual exploitation. Isn't that the normal one they go to? Can't we name like 10 or 15 people right now they hit them with this exact same garbage? Name a full grown man who's 36 or 37 years old who's not had sexual relations with a woman at some point in the past.
And the way the matrix works is they lie by omission, right? They just hit Russell Brand with it. I think they hit P. Diddy with it this morning.
Julian Assange just got hit with it. He's still in a cell. But lots of people get hit with these allegations and it turns out to be true. A lot of people get hit with them and they turn out to be false. Yeah, but you're sort of trying to make out all the people you just named innocent. You don't know that. Of course I don't know that, but a lot of people get hit and it turns out to be false. Why would you assume they're innocent? Well, I'll tell you why.
because the way the matrix operates is it choose something which is heinous. If they accused me of
drug dealing, nobody would care. They choose something which is heinous, so the process itself is a punishment. So they damage your reputation throughout the process, regardless of whether they're successful or not. Then what they do is they lie by omission.
They throw you in a cell and they contact everyone you've ever interacted with.
2,000 people I know were called, and they were looking for one person to say they're a victim.
By the way, they failed. They did not even find one. But if they did, they would then say, Andrew Tate's victim, he's a sexual assaulter. And they would remove the testimony of the 1,999 people who said, I'm a very nice man. Lie by omission. And then they put together this entire package, use the mainstream media to convince the world that you deserve to be in jail. And that is how the Matrix operates. I mean, to be clear, I don't know if you're guilty or not. I do.
You're perfectly entitled to say that.
And you know, right? Of course I know. But I don't know. And I will await any trial that comes.
to see what comes out of the trial and see what happens. So I'm not going to prejudge the trial. I'm not going to judge you and say I think you're guilty. I don't know. We are where we are. You've been charged with serious crimes and it's likely you'll face a trial and we'll see how that all plays out, obviously.
Going back to jail, how were you treated by other people? Everybody in jail was extremely apologetic to me.
All of the staff, the police officers, everyone who worked in the jail, the person who served me my meal, everybody was very sorry for what happened to me.
They made it very clear they knew it was garbage.
and they were apologetic. That was the only vibe I could give you. They were kind of like, listen, you got too big. I'm sorry. This is how things work.
And sorry, here's your meal.
Nobody had any real problem with me. None of the prisoners had a problem with me. Did you get into any fights?
There was a couple scenarios where violence could have occurred, but I think once people realise that violence is a certainty and that you do not operate under a fearful realm, they often aren't so interested. So people threatened you?
I wouldn't say they threatened me, but they would have liked to have got the opportunity to threaten me.
And what happened?
And they realized that would have been a bad decision.
And
All in all-- - What did you say to them?
Because you don't speak Romanian, don't you?
I didn't. You're right.
I actually used a quote from Street Fighter.
I said
I quoted Dalson.
And I said...
they do not understand the secrets of yoga fire. 'Cause I knew they had no idea what I was talking about.
It was near the washing machines, and they looked at me like I was completely crazy, and they walked away. There's more than one person. Correct.
And they made it clear what? That they wanted to... I have to be careful what I say because I'm still beholden to the Romanian judicial system. Yeah, but that's just an incident in jail. Correct. Incident.
an incident report was written, then it's better I don't mention it.
But there was a direct threat to you? I've had threats, yeah, and I have threats every single day of my life. And I think jail is a hyper pressurized version of reality.
and you need to have an extremely strong mind so you don't attack yourself, and an extremely strong body so others don't attack you. And I understood that there was a threat of violence at all times, and I just decided to go through life extremely respectfully, but make it clear if that's a decision somebody else wants to make, that I'm prepared to partake. One of the things I would think about, other than my family, immediate family, but one particular member of my family,
if I found myself in jail.
would be my mother and what she would be feeling and what she'd be thinking.
She's been incredibly supportive to me. I know yours has to you.
Did you think about your mother? I was extremely concerned for her.
I was concerned because the media establishment were hounding her.
She was obviously very worried, but she knew she raised strong sons.
but we're her number one protectors, and I was concerned for her. I wasn't concerned for myself in jail. I didn't even suffer in jail as much as I did when I got out. I didn't have nightmares in jail. I had nightmares once I left jail.
I was in the middle of a battle. I don't think you get PTSD while you're fighting, you get it afterwards.
I was in the middle of a battle trying to make sure that everybody I love and care about is taken care of and trying to make sure that bills are paid.
Please understand, the day I was arrested,
which is a year ago, every single bank account that I have was frozen. All of my assets were taken. I haven't had a dollar of money since January. You had 10 cars taken, I think. 15. 15 cars and how many properties? 15 cars, 6 properties, 20 diamond watches, gold bars, cash, land, every single bank account, millions and millions and millions of dollars. What was the total value of everything they seized?
16, 17 million?
Pounds? Yeah.
And they took all of it. And I still don't have access to any of these things. I mean, as we're doing this interview, you're expecting to hear sometime today
as to whether you may get those possessions back. Is it all or nothing? Do you get it all back or nothing? Correct. As we sit here, the judge is deciding whether I get all of my items returned or I get none of them returned.
And truthfully, under the law, I should have never had them taken in the first place.
So we're gonna see what the judge decides.
I have to put my faith within the Romanian judicial system. I have no other choice. I'm not a coward. I'm not going to run.
But,
Let's not talk about the Romanian judicial system. Let's talk about the judicial systems of the world.
I've recently seen some very scary decisions in America and England and these Western democratic nations. You see people doing 20 years for attending peaceful protests.
So you start to sit and wonder when you're in these situations,
what is a trial what is a judge what is this these are just people which peaceful process you're talking about there's been a few
Who's got 20 years for attending a peaceful protest? I don't want to say names. I saw it somewhere on Twitter. Somebody attended, I think it was a protest, a pro-Trump protest, and they ended up doing 20 years. What if you're talking about the January 6th riots? They were...
riots where people died. Well, it's interesting. They're not peaceful protests. Well, it's interesting because the world is actually very nuanced. And what I tried- But that wasn't nuanced. That was a huge mob of people attacking the US Capitol. Well, what I tried to do is I tried to look at a broad spectrum of
of events and I try to put things into a nuanced view and I don't try and take a instant black or white point of view on things. And the fact that BLM were rioting and destroying the entire nation
for months and during that exact week.
And then some other people got together with an opposing political view and are facing serious prison time for doing less damage than BLM did.
I find that kind of scary. Well, people did die. Well, in a democratic nation, we should all be the same under the law. Dabandu, just to be clear, on January the 6th, people died. People died during BLM.
I mean, there are certainly inconsistencies in the way
groups of people have been policed. I think that's the same whether you're talking about the BLM marches,
to the pro-Palestinian marches and so on, right? There's a lot of inconsistency. Well, then we agree. Well, there's a lot of inconsistency in global policing, I think. I think that's a perfectly valid thing to say. But the idea that someone's got 20 years for being
in a
peaceful march is not true. The ones who've got the lengthy prison sentences have been held account for serious crime. I'm not even condoning January 6th.
I don't even know the ins and outs of January 6th. I wasn't there. I'm not saying it should have happened. What I'm saying is exactly what you have said. There seems to be some massive inconsistencies in global policing now.
So when you end up in a position where you're speaking against the system, as I do, and you understand that there are massive inconsistencies in policing globally, you start to sit down and seriously wonder if you stand a fair chance of a fair trial in any country on earth.
I actually have to give massive credit to the Romanian judicial system because a judge one day sat down and said, why are these boys in jail and let us go?
I don't know if I would have had a fair shot like that in many other nations. When you were released from jail after about three months,
What was that feeling like?
I mean, my brother and I were in the same cell at that time.
We were extremely happy. I remember using the last of my mouthwash during the day I had some
rituals to keep me sane and I'd enjoy one swig of mouthwash a day. It's amazing how bored you get when you're staring at cockroaches. And even that sensation was entertaining. So there were literally cockroaches in yourself? Correct. How many at any given time? At night there was a lot of them. Like dozens? Yeah, a few. There was an infestation. We did our best to kill as many as we could. It kept us entertained.
But they're annoying to sleep with.
But...
Mouthwash was something I enjoyed every day. The sensation of mouthwash made me happy, and I remember using all of my mouthwash.
And then instantly my brain started turning to all of the things I need to do. I'm a man, I have responsibilities. For 93 days I wasn't working. I started concerning myself with, "Okay, I'm about to get out of jail, thank God."
I'm going to leave.
Who do I need to take care of? What's paid? Do I have any money left? Are bills due? Is mum okay? Are my children okay? And I just start thinking about work and as soon as I got out, I didn't sleep for three days. How many children do you have?
I'm less confidential. Why?
because I have enemies
And unfortunately, I do not want to give them any information. But you have more than one. I have more than one, correct. Right. So obviously you're caring for your children. I understand that as a father, right? And obviously, and you have a partner.
Yes.
-Are you married? -No.
I think I asked you last time and you were a bit cryptic about it. You're not married yet. No. You have a partner who's the mother of your children. Correct. The same woman is the mother of all your kids.
It's confidential.
It's a bit stupid to say confidential. It is confidential, Piers. I don't think you marry and have kids with it is confidential, surely. It is, for me.
Really? Of course. I am basically number one enemy of the state, Piers. Look what they've done to me.
What if they put me in jail for? At the beginning of this garbage, people were sitting there thinking, "Maybe he's a human trafficker. It's been a year. Who? Show me a picture. Show me a video. Who's even a victim?"
There's nobody. The whole thing is made up. Well, we're going to come to what they say you've done. Right. We're going to come to that. But I'm just curious.
you come out of prison, you've got no ability to access any of your assets. How have you been functioning
financially since then? I believe in prayer and I trust in God. Prayer doesn't pay the bills. And I do my very best.
But prayer doesn't pay the bills? Unfortunately, absolutely everything I own was seized by the Romanian state, so I'm just going to have to survive and do my very best. But how?
I'm doing my very best. Have you got wealthy benefactors helping you? I'm doing my very best. I wish I had wealthy benefactors. I wish I had people on my side. You can't function on on no income at all.
Seems you can.
How?
I'm doing my very best, Pierce. What does that mean? It means I'm doing my very best. Absolutely everything I own is taken by the Romanian state. I don't have anything they don't have.
How do you pay for food? I just have to do my best.
What does that mean? It means that I believe in God and I pray. Well, God's not going to pay your bills. God has been paying my bills so far. It seems it's amazing how far faith can take you. It's often when you have absolutely nothing left, people turn to faith, but you should turn to faith first and you should believe in God when things are good.
and he will be there when times are bad.
Initially you were put on this sort of rolling 30-day house arrest.
And they kept renewing that month by month by month. And then in June,
you and your brother and two others were formally charged with rape
trafficking and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women. And there were seven alleged victims named in the indictment. You said at the time, I look forward to being found innocent.
You said earlier, who are these women? Well, there are seven named in the indictment. Yeah, have you seen the videos of them on the internet saying we're not victims? They made us be victims. We told them we weren't victims. Well, that will all presumably be analysed in a trial. Do you know when the trial may be? I have no idea.
Do you believe it will happen?
I'm not sure.
It could get to a point where a judge anytime before the trial decides this case is garbage and throws it away. If you ask me what I believe happened, it's very simple. They threw me in a jail cell knowing they had no case, knowing they had no victims, but they thought if they plastered me all over the MSM and they say that I'm a bad person and they call enough people, they will find the case they want. They couldn't find it. You name the date they charged me. They had six months to charge me. Usually the Romanian state, even the American embassy confirms to me, charges within 30 days. With me, they used all six months trying to build a case and find actual victims of an actual crime.
They charged me on the very last possible day they could, unless they'd have to drop the entire case.
and they charge me with garbage because they have nothing, there are no victims, I've done nothing wrong, and they've tried very hard. And let me say something very
pertinent to the audience here. It's very difficult when you're thrown inside of a jail cell. You do not have access to social media. You do not have access to money. The entire MSM establishment are calling you a bad person. Hotlines are set up saying, if Andrew Tate's ever hurt you, call this hotline. You're a rich person where people may want to get money from you and exploit you and extract resource from you. And they're sitting here calling anyone you've ever known. They
who I've never even spoken to.
asking if I've ever done anything wrong to her or said anything wrong to her, trying to find victims of a crime that don't exist. It's actually a miracle from God that no one's come out trying to extract money from me.
Whole thing is garbage. They could do this to anybody. Piers, they could do this to you. They could put you in a cell, put all over the media you're a sexual exploiter, and for three months talk about how bad you are when you can't defend yourself, and call everyone you've ever interacted with. And if anybody you were ever rude to once decides they want a payday or some fame, they can use it against you. It's insane. The Romanian authorities' prosecution files.
accuse you of using verbal and physical abuse to keep women in line,
taking 50%, I believe, of the women's online income. Although I believe that figure could vary, could be up to 80%.
Is that right? No. They accuse me of exploiting women who did TikTok. The same women who say, we were not exploited. He just told us how to do TikTok. Also, in the prosecution file, if you want to talk about it, there's not a single bank transfer. There's not a single piece of evidence for any money. So I'm accused of making money from TikTok, but they haven't found any money. There's no money. And the victims are saying, I didn't exploit them to do TikTok.
problematic for you.
is the
war room
which was
a group of... Miscategorised and misunderstood. It was called the War Room. Correct. Okay. And it had a lot of people who were dubbed the generals who ran the War Room for you. And the War Room had five to six hundred members who paid, I think, six thousand plus dollars to be a member of this. And
When you saw the logs of the web chats between people from the war room to each other, a lot of it made disturbing reading. Were you disturbed by it when you read that? Firstly, a lot of that is bullshit. A lot of that's fake. Secondly... You think that literally those logs are fake? Absolutely. Secondly... But the BBC verified them? The BBC verified them. They're the same people who verified the vaccine. Those people. They're liars. Firstly. A lot of them are fake. Secondly... Were you disturbed by anything you read? No, because none of it's real. No.
Firstly. Secondly, there's 4,000 members in the War Room. Thirdly, the War Room is about masculine personal development. We talk about fitness, making money, strength. We talk about very important things.
There's 4,000 members inside. If you're telling me that amongst 4,000 members with 24-hour chat seven days a week for the last five years, they've managed to find two guys talking locker room talk,
and that somehow offends the world, then nobody understands how the world works.
That's not why I was in jail. It's nothing to do with the war room. I was in jail because I spoke against power, because I told the truth about COVID, because I told the truth about the war in Ukraine, because I told the truth about all of these things. I don't understand why people would want to put you in jail for giving your opinions about COVID or Ukraine. Why would they? Why wouldn't they? Why would they say that Andrew Tate's opinion is...
so important on Ukraine that we have to put him in jail. I don't buy that. Okay, because I was the most googled man on the planet.
and I had a huge affinity with the most
troublesome demographic for the matrix, which is the young masculine youth, the people who you need to die in wars, the people who you need to psyop into being slaves to build the roads while telling them that they're not allowed a point of view and they're not allowed an opinion on anything.
And I was saying things which was going against the narrative.
And the matrix, the way it operates is it uses the MSM to purport lies, to inject...
slave programming into people's brains so that we live lives which are not good for us but are good for them and i was sitting there unplugging it why would they sit there and say we've put together this massive psyop we're going to convince everybody to inject themselves with poison and we're gonna lock everyone in their houses and it's all a lie and we're gonna let this one guy everyone listens to andrew andrew it wasn't all a lie yes it was it wasn't there was a new there was a new novel coronavirus
Okay, I'll tell you what the facts were and you can then laugh at them if you wish. Sure. But there was a novel coronavirus, COVID-19, it was killing
thousands of people a day. Really? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And as I know people who died,
- Who doesn't? I know people who died before Corona. - Fine, I'm sure people died lots of things, but it was killing.
exponentially thousands and thousands of people, and then vaccines were developed at very high speed, and they managed to save, in my estimation, millions of lives. You may not agree with that, but those are facts as assumed by the body of scientific and medical experts in the world. The body of scientific and medical experts, you mean the matrix?
I could get... What is the matrix? The matrix are a bunch of people who can come up with studies from the sky to say anything they want them to say so they can use the MSM to purport garbage inside of people's minds so you end up locked in your house clapping for the NHS like a performing seal injecting yourself with experimental poison for the ninth time.
It's a lie. There was no reason to lock everyone in their house. More people died from missed cancer appointments than anyone ever died of COVID. People always got the sniffles before COVID and they've always got it since. Let me ask you a question. Where has COVID gone? Diseases don't go away. Where's COVID gone? COVID strains have got milder as indeed flu did. Flu pandemic in about 100 years ago killed 50 to 100 million people.
and it's got steadily milder over the decades since. This is normal medical science.
pathway for most pandemics, right? So on that, I mean your sort of cast iron, it was all matrix, MSM nonsense is palpably untrue. Well, I'll tell you why that's not true. Let me tell you my personal experience with Covid.
I'm an extremely logical person.
At the beginning, when everyone was dying, dropping dead in the streets in China, which I never saw, by the way. Funny. And Italian hospitals were full. English hospitals were never full.
Funny. Me and my brother sat there and said, "If this disease is so deadly and can damage us as strong military-aged males and the world is over,
So there's no point in hiding in our house. We decided to go to Sweden on day one of COVID. Day one when everyone still believed we went to Sweden. Why does no one talk about the fact that Sweden was open the entire time? Why does no one talk about the fact they didn't have masks or lockdown or vaccines? My brother and I partied in nightclubs seven days a week for three entire months while everyone in England walked into our house. Sweden actually had a number of restrictions.
Not when I was there, it was open. Not as draconian as we had in the UK. And there are certainly legitimate questions to ask about the scale of our lockdowns. I think people panicked. They saw what was happening in Italy, which had the second best medical healthcare system in the world. And people were.
dying in massive numbers and the hospitals were overrun. So people may have panicked. Did you hear about the guy who died in a motorcycle crash and it was a Covid death? Did you hear about that one? Well there was certain... Downing Street didn't seem very concerned with Covid. There was a long debate about people dying of Covid or with Covid. I know all that but the bottom line for me
It is indisputable
that COVID was a deadly pandemic
that killed a lot of people. It turned out a lot of older people more than young people.
but they didn't know that at the time, not for a long period. The vaccine saved millions of people's lives. There are legitimate questions.
about some of the boosters, about some of the side effects of the vaccines, as there are by the way with all vaccines. But the idea that Covid is some invention by the Matrix to suppress and control its people is for the birds, Andrew.
It's for the birds. It seems the birds and I are friends. I don't think a smart guy like you actually believes that. Of course, I absolutely believe that. One of my problems I have with you is that I think you are intelligent, but I think you also adopt positions that you know are going to get the anti-Matrix mob inflamed. And it's just these all-encompassing views you have. COVID was a load of nonsense. Vaccines are all dangerous and killing more people than they say. Never said that. I said the COVID vaccine.
Well, COVID vaccine, well, you don't think they worked? No, of course not, because the idea of a vaccine... Of course they worked. The word vaccine in and of itself is that you get... They save millions of lives. If you get a vaccine, you do not get the disease.
They changed the definition of vaccine in the dictionary so they can continue to inject us with this pointless poison. I had the vaccine for polio. I've never had polio. You got the vaccine for COVID and you're bragging online how you have COVID for the eighth time, but it's not that bad because you've had six injections. It's insane. And please understand my position.
Please understand that I'm a person who doesn't believe any of these studies, don't believe any of this garbage, don't believe the Matrix. I'm a person who was in Sweden for three months, as everyone was afraid, locked in their houses, partying at will. And it was perfectly fine. They had a lower death rate than the UK. They had a much higher death rate than their neighbouring countries in Scandinavia. Did you know that? They had a lower death rate than the UK. Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. It doesn't matter to you. Of course not. So you wouldn't compare them to their immediate neighbours. You'd only compare them to a country...
in the UK. If you think lockdowns worked, Pierce,
If you think lockdowns... I think lockdowns were only acceptable as an immediate...
panic move, which it was, before there were vaccines. The moment they had a successful vaccine program that worked, then there was no justification for further lockdowns. You're a very important person and you're very well respected. I'm not important, I'm a journalist. No, you're very important and you're very well respected within the UK and you've been famous for a very long time.
Were you invited to the party at Downing Street or were you not in that sort of... No. No? That's a shame. And I thought the... They seemed very concerned about Covid on the TV. And by the way, they didn't seem to give a shit as soon as the TV was on. I thought that was disgraceful. And I thought Boris Johnson and the people working at Number 10 who were having those parties,
when I had friends of mine who were literally saying goodbye to their mothers on FaceTime on their phone, because they weren't allowed in to see them. I knew people in care homes where it ripped through and killed people.
a third of the people in the home in two weeks. And the desperation that people felt had a cousin who lost his father who couldn't go and see his dying wife and so on. There were terrible stories. It's criminal. Terrible stories. It's disgusting. So let me ask you a question as a professional, because we're both adults, we're both very smart. As a professional, which is more likely,
that the government believed Covid was deadly and everybody should be truthfully afraid and locked in their houses but because they had this spirit inside of them and they couldn't resist the idea of a party decided to risk their lives to party or they lied on the television trying to scare everyone and enslave them and locked them in their houses knowing it's garbage knowing it's a lie and not caring and had a party behind everyone's backs they didn't think they'd get caught which one is more likely as a professional as a logical human why don't we just agree that they were a bunch of rank hypocrites
stupid people
who were behaving utterly selfishly to the extent that the Queen
when her husband, Prince Philip, dies,
is in the church on her own in a mass with none of her family around her after losing a rock of 70 years and it turned out the night before
Down the street it had I think two parties including a karaoke party. I think that was shameful
and disgraceful well i so we can agree on that we can agree on that and we can wake up and start to realize oh maybe the government doesn't care about us maybe the government lies to us
Maybe they tell us things and try and scare us, but they don't actually care themselves. Maybe all they are is hypocritical self-interested people. Maybe they are. Maybe then and maybe they use the MSM
to purport their lies, to keep everybody enslaved while they do whatever they want. And that is the matrix in and of itself. And if you speak against it and people listen to you, I'll repeat this. Your ability to speak freely is directly correlated to your insignificance. If you're as big as I was, the most Googled man on the planet telling the truth, you will pay the price, Pierce. And that is why I was locked in that cell. And I do not regret it because I live true to God. I'm not going to sit here as a coward and not tell the truth to people for as long as I live until they put a bullet in my head. Let me ask you about the lover boy method.
and others,
But let's talk about you.
that you deploy the lover boy method where you would make women fall in love with you. You would then persuade them to do webcam, webcam stuff, right? TikTok. OK, but wait, it's called it webcam stuff, right? No, let's not call it that. The indictment is about TikTok. OK, what would you make the women do or what would they do with you? I don't make anybody do anything. In fact, let's talk about the lover boy method. So very interesting. Let's imagine the Matrix is pissed off with a said individual who's telling too much truth and everybody is listening to him and they decide they're going to attack him with sexual assault claims.
They say, ah, he's making women do, well, we found conversations where he gave advice on how to go viral on TikTok. He's making women do TikTok, but he isn't being horrible to them. He's not hitting them. He's not being mean to them. So what can we do? Let's use the lover boy method. If I was abusive and mean, they wouldn't say lover boy method. Do you know what lover boy method means? Being nice. He was nice and polite and kind, and they really liked him as a person, and he told them how to do TikTok. But that's not what the lover boy... He's a lover boy. Of course it is. Andrew, that's not what the lover boy method is. Absolutely it is.
perpetrators woo victims with the prospect of a loving relationship until they can be forced into abusive situations or a form of slavery. This is garbage. That's actually what it means. The lover boy method is being nice to people so that you work together, effectively what they're trying to say here.
I was nice to girls who asked me for TikTok advice and they sang it's the lover boy method. I didn't beat them into doing TikTok, I didn't force them, I didn't threaten them. In fact, I was like, yeah, you're very pretty, you can be pretty famous. Was there any element of coercion?
how can there be an elli what does that even mean let's be professionals here what does that even what do you think coercion means i was coerced into this interview
You came along to me and said... You weren't coerced into this interview. Yes I was. Or don't tell me. The bullying MSM said, "Andrew, you've got to do an interview." No! You used... And I'm going to fly all the way to Romania to do it. No! No! You didn't do that. You used the lover boy method.
You said, sir... The Loverboy method. Yep. Andrew, this is going to be a very interesting interview. We had a good one last time. You're a nice guy. We have some interesting conversations. I didn't say you were a nice guy. I'm going to come along. Wait a minute, wait a minute. We're going to make some money from this interview. Wait a minute. Money will be made for both sides. Wait a minute. You Loverboyed me. Wait a minute. You stole the profit. Just to be clear, I've had no conversation with you about this interview.
And the conversations I've had with your intermediary were very professional. And I said, I would like to do an interview with you. Were you nice?
I'm always nice. Loverboyed. You can't believe you used niceness to loverboy me because this is a profitable enterprise and I was coerced here. I make no pretense that I'm into, I've come all the way from London to Romania to interview you because yes, I want to do it on my show. And that will clearly benefit me and my show. Am I a full grown consenting adult who decided to do this show? The idea, but you're not being coerced into doing this. Am I a full grown consenting adult who decided to do this show? Yes. Okay, so I wasn't coerced, correct? Well, what's that got to do with what I've asked you? Because you were nice to me and you're saying that,
I wasn't nice to you, I didn't even talk to you. Being nice is the lover boy method in that adults have no personal responsibility. And if you're nice to someone, they become your slave. I wasn't nice to you and I didn't call you a nice guy. I feel lover boy.
I feel lovable. Do you? I'm sorry. Well, I'm sorry. It's fine. You had a website, Hustlers University, offering courses teaching husbands and boyfriends how to get their partners into webcam. Absolutely false. The Hustlers University, which you can go to now, actually, we've changed the domain, it's university.com, is a school which teaches modern wealth creation methods. We teach people how to make websites. We teach people e-com. Why did you call it a PhD pimping hose degree? No, you're talking about an old video which was made satirically. Why did you call it that?
Oh, that was satire. Of course it was.
Nine years ago, the internet was a very different place. And if you're gonna sit here and say, "Oh, nine years ago, you said stupid things on the internet." It's not a gotcha moment because every single person has. So have you. - But you'd be very- - So have you because you advocate for the vaccine, sir.
So you said stupid things on the internet. That's how things go. It's satirical. I also said I'm an astronaut. Do you believe I've been to the moon? Because I haven't, believe it or not. Hustles University teaches children how to make websites and it teaches... There's only one reason I'm asking you. You've repeatedly said in interviews
since you were arrested.
that you have never categorized yourself as a pimp. You don't think you're a pimp, right? Well, what about all the rappers? Did you ask Ice Cube if he's a pimp and a murderer and a drug dealer? James Z sold crack! I'm not interviewing them. I'm asking you whether you have at any stage in the last 15 years
being a pimp.
Of course I've not been a pimp. I've said I'm a pimp. I've said I'm an astronaut. I said I'm a cowboy. I said I'm the strongest man in the world. I've said I'm James Bond. Throw me in jail. Put me in jail. I deserve it. Nine years ago I made a joke on the internet. So here's my question. Are you a fantasist?
I'm not a fantasist.
Do you have a persona that's just not you? Of course not. I am me. Well, if you are you, why would you repeatedly call yourself a pimp and then now say you've never been a pimp? Are you going to sit here and say that because I've once said, oh... I'm curious whether you're trying to say to me you didn't mean any of the things you said.
So I'm asking myself, well, why should I believe in anything you say now?
In other words, is what you say actually what you mean? Is Andrew Tate real? Or do you have a complete persona that you've fuelled for money?
that has nothing to do with the real you. I don't know, you tell me. I exaggerated on the internet nine years ago for comedic effect.
I'd walk into a nightclub and there'd be girls at my table, like every other man who walks into a nightclub, and I'd say,
Oh no, put me in jail. 93 days was not enough with the cockroaches. I should go back. This is a matrix attack, Pierce.
Every single person, every single man out there has done things worse than I've done. In fact, I will argue if you put 99.9% of men through the level of scrutiny I've been through by multiple federal agencies, you will find a lot worse than him saying he was a pimp on the internet nine years ago. You will find actual genuine crime. And I've done nothing. I live true to God. This is all garbage and it's not real. Like I said to you, I don't know if you're guilty or not. I do. I am not guilty. It's a matrix attack. I want to be clear to you. I'm not pre-empting your guilt.
I've come here with a completely open mind. You've been charged with serious offences
but I am not going to judge you because I'm not a judge. This is not courtroom, right? But it's interesting to me that one of the biggest charges against you
is that you're a misogynist and you've always said I'm not a misogynist and then last time I interviewed you said well I may have said some things that you know may have been
misconstrued. But even in the last week, you've tweeted some stuff which I'm not even sure if you're aware as you tweet this stuff.
how it sounds. Read it. Okay, let's read. This is quite a long one. Sure. But I think it's important to read it to get a sense of
how you view women. - Absolutely.
Any woman I date does not have a job.
Okay, so the woman you're with doesn't have a job? No. Okay. Do you date other women? Sometimes.
And your partner's fine with that? Obviously. Yeah? And you're fine with that? Why wouldn't I be?
Well, you think it's fine to be dating other women when you have a mother of your kids? I think we're consenting adults and everybody can make their own personal decisions. Okay, fair enough. Why would I be working so hard, you say, to have hundreds of millions for my woman to waste her life in enslaved pennies? No, I will give you a life you can never, ever afford. Private jets, five-star hotels, new cars, endless spending money and diamonds. You will be rich because you're praying for me every day and protecting my spirit. I work in the physical world. She works in the spirit realm. Women shouldn't have to work because being a good partner is a full-time job for a woman.
All the beauty treatments are time intensive. Not about money, it takes a lot of time. She has to train every day and stay in fantastic shape. Shop to look amazing next to me. I know there are some men who do a hundred times more than this on a daily basis, but women are not as organised as men and achieving anything significant causes them huge amounts of stress. Yeah.
They need to have huge sections of the day empty to waste or they will have a mental breakdown. And do you want a woman who's stressed and angry after the commute, unshaven and exhausted,
Or do you want a Barbie doll who's always smiling and saying thank you because she did her nails and brought you Prada that day? As a man, unless you're a loser, you're already filthy rich, right? You can get endless sex anyway. Girls are easy. So what can a girl give you? Happiness, vibes, always smiling, take the edge off a stressful life. Can she always be happy if she's been working all day? No.
Just to wake up at 11, gym till one, one appointment and some shopping, dressed beautiful by 7pm, for you to finish working and tell you how strong you are. No matter how pissed off you are, just to always be laughing and smiling and writing your little notes about how you're perfect. And just to be playful and funny. She can't do that if she has a job. So your job is being my girlfriend and now you're a millionaire. Congratulations. Behave and aim for the promotion to wife.
The reason I read all that in detail was
I don't think you understand quite how that comes over because
I think that is the purest definition of misogyny I'd probably ever rate. Well, I don't think you understand. One, especially when I'm talking about the fact that women can't handle what men can do, etc. One is slightly sarcastic. There's a sarcastic tone. So do you mean any of this? I mean all of it.
Any woman I'm with, I will provide for. No woman should work. They should spend all day beautifying themselves for you. And they might get promoted to wife. Your job is being my girlfriend. There are hundreds of millions of women around the world who do a good day's work.
who still managed to be a very good wife or partner. Agreed, agreed, completely. But it's my life. So why would you encourage a whole generation of young men? I mean, I've got to be honest, since our last two interviews, before you were arrested,
I would say every single day I have young men, teenage boys, maybe early 20s, coming up to me asking about you. It's gone on every day since I interviewed you. I'm very aware of your reach. I'm very aware of your influence.
And whenever I've been asked about you, I said, what do you think of him? I said, I don't really know. I find myself agreeing with 60 to 70% of the things you say.
And I do, because I think a lot of the stuff you say about empowering young men to be confident, to work out, to take care of themselves. To have enough money to not force their woman to work. Right. That's the bit. That's the bit where when you stray into that kind of language, particularly in detail where you reveal what you're really thinking. A, the kind of pathetic, soulless life you want for these women. Where does it allow for being a mother, for example? Absolutely.
love and devotion to you. How does having a job give her time to be a mother? This gives her all the time in the world to be a mother. One, it's slightly sarcastic, firstly. What do you mean? You can tell by the tone. Do you mean you don't mean it? No, I mean it. But it's slightly sarcastic. Well, sarcasm means you don't mean it. No, I mean it.
But it's slightly sarcastic. You either mean it or you don't. It's either sarcastic or it's not. I mean every single word. But this is the conundrum with you, Andrew. Andrew. This is the conundrum with you.
It's not a conundrum. If you'd let me explain, it's not a conundrum at all. You tweet this. I tweet this out. I get thousands of women begging me, inboxing me, saying, finally, a man who understands he needs to provide for a woman so she can be your best self. This is exactly the kind of life that will allow them to be a conundrum. There are definitely women that will absolutely love to be treated like this. Are they misogynists?
No, but what I think they are, they're people who just basically, it's the old sugar daddy thing, right? They want to have a rich guy who's going to pamper them and take care of them. They don't have to do a day's work. They just have to make themselves look good for you. Being a good partner is a day's work.
Well, so you say. But it also, the language that you use here seriously diminishes women who do work. You make them out to be, well, you're not doing your job as a partner or wife.
You should be doing your job, which is just to devote yourself to his pleasure and making him happy. Well, it's actually interesting you say that because I'll put a lot of the fault of this on men.
Let's let's if you want to gender the argument, let's do that. I think that a lot of the reason why women can't live this life if they so choose if you're a woman who decides to work, then go to work. I don't care.
But if you're a woman who decides she wants to retire, it's because she can't find a man who could provide for her at this level. Do you think when a woman marries a billionaire,
that she wants to go get a job in Starbucks? Because in my experience, when they marry extremely successful men, they don't want a job. I'm sure Ronaldo's wife isn't begging to go work in IKEA. Actually, Ronaldo's wife works very hard. She works for herself.
Which is different. And her family. Of course. Which is different. She's a hard-working woman. Absolutely. Because being a fantastic partner and having a bunch of children is a bunch of hard work. And she also finds the energy to have businesses on the side. Fantastic. But you don't want women to have businesses. No, I'm saying if you're with a man of my stature
You don't have to work. Now, if I met a perfect woman and we were together, we were happy. When you say a man of your stature, with respect, right now you have no income.
no possessions, and you're facing serious criminal charges. I mean, I'm not quite sure what statue you think you're currently selling, but it ain't great. Okay, well then, it's a shame all those women inboxed me after I...
put that tweet out saying, we agree with you. I think you should interview all of them. I met a woman yesterday who, when I said I was coming to interview, was immediately like, oh, can you put a good word in for me?
- Of course. - Sure. You have a definite appeal to a certain type of woman. There's no question. - I think providing for a woman financially is a man's responsibility. If that means I'm a misogynist,
that I'm a misogynist. - So you accept you are a misogynist? - No, I think a man should provide for a woman financially,
completely and utterly. If she wants to work, if my partner were to say to me right now, "I really feel like getting a job, it would make me happy," then I'll say work, but she doesn't have to.
Her job is looking after the children, looking after me, and being as happy as possible. If you think I'm a bad person for saying, if you actually read that, read the subtext and context. I read it all out. Okay good, then you'll understand what I'm saying. You know I did, you heard it. Absolutely. So what I'm saying is, I am a man, my life is stressful, my life is pain, I go to jail, I suffer, I have to deal with making money, I have constant endless headache. I do all of that so I can give you everything, but then I get to have you. Your job is to be happy. I want you to smile, I want you to look your best and feel your best all of the time.
If I'm a misogynist for saying that I go through so much pain so that we can be financially secure, so I hope the woman I care about does not have to work a job, if that makes me a bad person, then so be it.
Because all I'm saying is I want to take care of her in every single realm. I take care of her physical safety. I take care of her financial security. That is my job as a man. And if more men acted like me, you will see that the world will be a happier and better place.
The women who say, I really want to work, I want a career, that's their prerogative and their decision. They're allowed to do that. But also, often the reason they do that is because they can't find a man they trust to take care of them. I've had this from women in their own mouth. If I found a man who was financially secure and as smart as you, I wouldn't be doing this garbage job either. Why was I psyoped into working to pay taxes when I should be at home having children with a man I adore? It's a psyop.
There are so many women that will listen to that and be laughing and mocking you. Will there? Say, don't be so ridiculous. I'd have a job that I love. Maybe they're being paid even more than their man, right? The real world isn't the one that you categorise. The real world is varied and nuanced. But I am talking about my life experience. Any woman I love does not have to work unless she decides to. Right. You're the boss. You're in charge. Her job is to make you happy. Her job is to make herself look good.
blah, blah, blah, blah. It is actually just misogyny. - Do you think a woman looking good and working out has no benefit at all to her?
Of course it does. OK, so it's not for my benefit then, is it? You stand corrected, sir. You stand corrected, sir. No, no, I don't. When you talk about young men,
and you tell them to work out and take care of themselves, I cheer you on.
I want that. I've got three sons. I want them to feel that way. Don't you want them to become very rich and successful? - Of course. - Have a woman who relies on them and have a beautiful family? No, but I don't want a woman who's subservient to them. Why is subservience?
Why is a woman polite? - Literally the tone of the tweet I read is subservient. You did another tweet this week. Men love by telling you what to do and not allowing you to make stupid decisions. We save you from the female inclination to make stupid choices.
If a man isn't giving you instructions, he doesn't love you. If you won't listen to a man's instructions, you don't love him. The whole language is so ridiculous. Let me change the language now.
Well you tweeted this to 8.2 million people. Correct. So let me say this.
A father loves.
Let's say instead of a man loves, let's say a father loves. A father loves disciplinarian. That's how a father will love you. A mother will say, oh, I hope you're happy. I hope you're doing OK. But a father will come along and say, no, don't do this. You must do it that way. That's incorrect. It has to be this way. A father will discipline you because a father feels he knows best for you. It's the masculine--
essence of love. When a man loves, he shows that he cares by a degree. There is a massive difference between a relationship between a father and a child and
and between a man and a woman in a relationship. - Completely. - And I'm not sure you quite get that. - No, there is a difference, but I would argue,
peers, I would argue in the happiest relationships,
It's a traditionally...
masculine role in which the man
plays and provides, the female is traditionally feminine, the man is the head of the house, not in an abusive way, doesn't beat her up. I'm talking about the man being the head of the household, like I would like to believe you're the head of your household.
and he comes along and says what happens and what doesn't happen because he's the man of the house. No, that's not how most households operate now. Well then it sounds like we understand why the entire world's a mess. Because only 10 years ago that's exactly how the households operated. There was a man of the house
And now we have no longer any clear defined rules. There's no longer a man of the house. You want to talk about knife crime, kids doing drugs, the crime rate, all of these problems. You want to talk about all of the societal ills we face. Perhaps it's because we don't have any men in the house anymore. Perhaps we need to bring the man of the house back. And the man of the house--
will come along and be a disciplinarian, and he will make the set rules and the creeds of that house. He will say, within this household, we don't take drugs. That stands for the woman I am with, the children who we have birthed. Nobody takes drugs in this household because this is my house, and I'm the man of the house.
So it sounds to me like we need to bring it back, sir.
Yeah, listen, it's all good macho stuff, okay? And I know lots of young boys who listen to this and go, "Wow, that's how I should be." Then I read the detail of your tweets and again,
Come back to this. We save women from their female inclination to make stupid choices. Females are emotional. If a man isn't giving you instructions. Now, females are emotional. Hang on, hang on. He doesn't love you. Females are emotional. All this stuff is designed to...
exactly as you've just articulated, is designed to make young men feel that the only way they can be successful in life is to effectively have their women under control, give them instructions that they have to obey. Don't buy women Prada and you'll end up in jail. You can buy them Prada, but let me finish my point.
My point is that it seems to me, from reading your tweets, even now, that you have a blind spot when it comes to how they sound. And it may be that the legal problems that you're in, which might be extremely serious, and we'll see when the trial happens, but it may be that in your head, nothing you've done
is remotely inappropriate because actually in your tweets you can see there's an element there of wanting coercion and control. You want to control women, you want them to be effectively your servants.
Slaves, for want of a better phrase. - Slaves who get Prada and get to work
out in the gym and get to look good. But you understand the point I'm making? No, I don't. Which is in your head, the line is blurred so much now with this macho rhetoric,
that you've actually lost track of how this sounds. Pierce, all of the things I... Even when I read that stuff to you, I could see you looking at me, and your answer is, I was being sarcastic. And I said, well, where? And then you go, well, no, I meant it. Well, it can't be both. I meant it, and I said... You either mean it, or it's... Well, no, because sarcasm means you don't mean it. Pierce. Pierce.
All the things you've just described... Do you accept that? You're a smart guy, you know what sarcasm means, right? Absolutely. I said it has a sarcastic tone for comedic effect.
All the things I'm saying and the things I've said are basically the way the entire world thought only 10 years ago.
You may buy into the psyop and you may buy into the new thing. I don't buy into any psyops. We just talked about the vaccine, sir. Yeah, the vaccines weren't psyops. Of course not. So I believe that there should be a man of the house. You had a polio vaccine, right? Correct. Why? Because I didn't get polio. I wouldn't have a COVID vaccine because I'd still get COVID. Plus probably myocarditis and have a heart attack. So,
We believe there was a man of the house 10 years ago. Do you think statistically more people got myocarditis
by having the vaccine or not having it? I think statistically we need to bring it back. You don't know, do you? Why would I know? Why would I look at the statistics and studies that come from the matrix itself? So the matrix, so every fact you don't like,
Because it doesn't suit your agenda. You just dismiss as matrix bullshit. No, I'll give you a very simple way I view the world.
COVID can't hurt me.
So why would I take their injection?
Point two. Point two. They tried to make us, including you. You told people they should have the vaccine. If they don't have it, they shouldn't leave their house. You know why?
Because at the time, the scientists... And by the way, scientists is ever-evolving. At the time I said that, the scientists said if you had the vaccine, it would prevent you transmitting the virus. That turned out to be wrong. And they issued updated advice saying further studies...
said that actually you could transmit it and at that point you know what I did which you never do
I held my hands up and went, I was wrong because the advice changed. And now I would not say the same thing. That is called actually evolving opinions when facts change. Let me give you that's actually how a civilized democracy,
works. We live in a civilized democracy, do we sir? I actually would argue that point with you for a very long time. I don't think we live in a civilized democracy. Another point I want to make here, if I had cancer or if I was at threat of a genuine disease which could actually harm me, would the NHS text me 10 times a day trying to get me treatment or would I be sitting there waiting for eight months to get an appointment? They wouldn't care about me and they'd let me die. So the fact that they will endlessly text me and try and beg me to get this poison should have been an alarm bell for anybody with a brain.
months they've sent me
One about a flu jab, which I'm going to have.
because I think it stops you getting flu and flu is nasty. A Covid booster which I won't have, I think I've had enough of those, I'm fine with that, thanks.
There's certainly one about having a check for a bowel cancer, which I've done and came back negative, and so on and so on. The NHS texting system is for our benefit. You don't have to do it. No one's holding a gun to your head. The Matrix isn't saying, if you don't have this...
Andrew Tate, we're going to do something to you. Do you have any idea? You're not being treated in Romania by their system.
because of anything to do with COVID vaccines. And your attempt to try and persuade people that that's the case is ridiculous. And you know it's ridiculous. Do you have any idea how difficult it was to remain unvaccinated, Pierce?
Let me tell you from somebody who was unvaccinated and travelled the world. Do you have any idea how difficult that was actually to do? Well yes, because countries have border controls. Oh, because they tried to force everybody. So to sit and say they weren't trying to force
You know what they did?
They said, come get the COVID vaccine. It's good for you. It's going to help. They tried to coerce you by being nice. They tried to lover boy everybody. They tried to use the lover boy method to force people to get the COVID vaccine. It just came to, we need to put all these people in jail. They were being nice to people trying to help them. Unbelievable. Nobody forced you to have it. Did you have the vaccine? Absolutely not really not, sir.
My principles are not for sale. I would have stayed in my house to the end of human time and sat there as a pureblood, the last one. The last pureblood on the planet before I inject myself with poison. You're not making an MGM trailer. Yes I am because it's a matter of principle. I am not a farm animal. My blood is mine. It does not belong to the government and I decide what is in it. Right.
All right, so you have a polio vaccine, but not a baby one. Correct. So your brilliant brain is determined that you know more about
the medicinal and scientific
benefits of individual vaccines. And the polio one, you decided with your brilliant brain, well, have that. But even though a lot of people, by the way, have had side effects to polio vaccines. Did you know that? Yes, correct. Is that the matrix doing that? No, I didn't say the matrix gave them the side effect. I've just told you all the reasons they didn't get the vaccine. We've already described it at length. But you work out with your brilliant mind.
which vaccines to have? Correct. Okay. You can join my email list on CobraTate.com. You can sign up for free and I'll tell you which vaccines you have. I wouldn't come to you for vaccine advice. Why? Andrew. Because you have zero experience. I didn't get the COVID one. I obviously did pretty good. I avoided the poison shot while everyone else got it. So I'm actually pretty proud with my track record. What happens if you're found guilty of the things you're charged with? Well, then I'm going to have to go to jail, I assume. What's the maximum sentence you could get? I don't know. I don't. I actually genuinely don't.
You've never asked your lawyers? It can be between three to eight years. So you do know?
I don't know the maximum. But if you were to serve eight years, having served three months and know how bad that was,
Could you cope with that in a Romanian jail?
Interesting question.
Could I cope with it? Yes. Would I be the same afterwards? I'm not sure.
What do you think even the three months did to you as a man?
Well?
It was a fantastic test from God to make sure I am the man I say I am, because I think there's a lot of people who speak about masculine excellence who are not the men they say they are. When trouble appears, you often learn that they are nothing but postures.
I
I had nightmares for a very long time. I couldn't sleep.
I struggled with certain things. I would check my bed sheets every single night for cockroaches. Religiously, I had a problem with that.
But I never turned to therapy, I never turned to drugs.
I understood that all of these things are from God and they're given to me so that I can become a stronger version of myself. And I welcomed them all and I embraced them all. And now that I'm a better, not completely, but almost better, part of me actually misses my nightmares, Pierce.
Part of me misses training all night. I didn't sleep for weeks, months. - You said you didn't have nightmares. - No, I had nightmares. I said I didn't have nightmares in jail. When I left, I did. And I kind of miss it because I had so much time in the day to get things done.
And now I'm sleeping a full six hours. I feel a little bit lazy. So perhaps I need another test from God. And if God decides Allah is the best of planners, if he decides I need eight years in jail, then I will embrace those eight years in jail and do my absolute best to come out as the most formidable version of myself. Have you felt suicidal at all in the last year? I don't believe in suicide. It's haram. I know. You've said that before, but...
Did you feel like you may want to end it all? I would never.
Kill myself under any circumstances so the day they put that on the news when they finally take me out you can know it's a lie It's around I would never kill myself lock me in that cell for the rest of my life. I would never kill myself
Thank you.
While you're under house arrest, you tweeted this: "Avoid women who go to festivals."
They're either on some loser's table who's feeding them cocaine or in a crowd of sweaty peasants, because they're a sweaty peasant. Endless Instagram stories screaming and having fun to prove to the world they're worthless.
hard pass festi hose. Correct.
I tweeted that, yes. Again, why would you categorise all women who go to festivals in such an unpleasant way? I actually categorised all men who went to festivals also. Did you read that tweet? Why are you gendering the argument? I think all people who go to festivals are stupid. It is peasantry. I've never been to a festival in my life. I'm not going to stand there and scream and jump up and down for some other human like he's God. I think the whole thing is embarrassing, all of it, from head to toe. It's all sweaty peasantry and it's all just drug-fueled insanity.
So why are you gendering the argument when I insult the women who go to
festivals and also the men who go to festivals because all of it is peasantry head to toe and I do not regret it. All festivals are peasantry. Anybody who goes, I do not associate with. I've never been to one in my life.
I never will.
So you've never been to one, how do you know what they're like? I can see enough. I've seen the sweaty bodies bumping into each other high on ketamine, pretending that the song they heard on the radio at home is now more fantastic because they're listening to it
from a loudspeaker. It's embarrassing. To be clear, you've never been to one. Correct.
My infinite brain that understands vaccines perfectly also understands. We have established your brain is unique. Correct. You tweeted the picture of Amanda Holden, a very good friend of mine.
It's a very harmless picture. She's in a bikini on holiday under a rain shower.
looking
extraordinarily beautiful. In a sexual pose. And you tweeted: "You are a wife and a mother and you're far past a teenager."
there's no need for this post. Agreed. Again, it's just misogynist to say that. It's not misogynistic. Why can't a woman of her age, she's just turned 50, why can't a woman of that age actually show off her
beautiful body in a nice bikini
like that what's wrong with that you can call me crazy you can call me misogynistic but i think once you reach the ripe age of 50 any woman should not be interested in thirst trapping on instagram i think she has bigger responsibilities i'm sure she's a very intelligent lady and she's done amazing things she's famous she's obviously very capable and i think she could do things more interesting than standing around trying to thirst trap on instagram like she's 18. because i think she's above it i wasn't insulting her i was reminding her that she's actually such a fantastic person she's done such amazing things in her life and she's so achieved that she's actually above
of her worth because as a feminist, we're all feminists here, right? We all believe in women empowerment. I'm reminding her of her worth. Are you a feminist? Sure. You're not though, are you? I believe in feminine empowerment and I think feminine empowerment is in... Yes, I do. And feminine empowerment is in modesty. Modesty is empowering for females. You only believe in... Taking your clothes off from men on Instagram is not empowering. It's empowering when you say, no man but my husband can see my body. That is female empowerment. And I was reminding her of
her ripe age and her intellect and there was no need for that. How old are you now? I am 36. 36 years old. At what point will your antics, you know, chugging your cigars and your ripped body,
in your compound with your security and your baguette at what age does that become a thirst trap? I don't know if that ever stops being a thirst trap. So it's fine for you once again one rule for the man another rule for the woman. That's interesting because I've never heard this argument before but I'm extremely intelligent I've already deciphered how this is going to go from head to toe it's called I guess we can look at peacocks right the male peacock he shows look who I am looks look what I can do look at my achievement look at my beautiful feathers and I guess you could call it peacocking to a degree I'm showing the world I'm extremely physically capable yes
correct. I'm extremely financially successful. But you stripping off for Instagram is fine. It's not stripping off for Instagram. I'm boxing. When you box, you have no top on. You do it all the time with your cigar on. You're showing off your ripped box. That's fine for you, but if Amanda Holden dares do it,
That is apparently thirst trapping. I think me boxing with no shirt on is different than a 50 year old woman. You don't just box. I've seen you doing ones where you wander around all moody with your cigar and you're topless and stuff. So fine for you. Are you a fan, Piers? No, I just think it's thirst trap. Do you? Yeah. Well, I don't do that. Perhaps it's successful. Maybe you should start, but perhaps it's successful because I do have a lot of female fans out there in the world and they pretend I'm a misogynist, but it turns out that 85% of women on the planet seem to agree with me. Every single woman I've ever met in real life agrees with me. I have no female hate at all.
had negative interaction with women ever. - Yes, you have. - With who? - What about the BBC Germans that came to your compound?
- Lucy. - Yes. - Oh, I've never had a negative interaction with a female ever. - I don't think she was a fan. - I think she was. - I would categorize that as a negative interaction. - Well, she seemed to follow me around for a long time. I think she was a little bit obsessed. - There are lots of women, Andrew, there are lots of women I know
personally,
There are lots of women who find you incredibly offensive. I don't think so. Right? It's their right to.
Of course. So your right to not care. But the idea that somehow you're this beloved person for the world's females, I think is
not true. You are for a certain type of woman who likes to be treated in the way that you like to treat women. Well, let's counter that argument, right? Because the world, as I said at the beginning, is nuanced.
Am I beloved by all females? No. But when I'm sat here with someone as prestiged as you, who says you're a misogynist, and you hate women, and women hate you... I think you talk in a way that is misogynistic, yeah. Okay, well then you make it sound like all women hate me, and that's also not the case. Of course, it's a nuanced argument. I didn't say all women hate you. Some women agree with me, some women don't agree with me. When I said that post about Amanda Holden, a lot of women said, Andrew, that's actually completely correct. She's extremely famous, and there's no need for her to be posting pictures like this at her ripe age. I was actually empowering her.
modesty.
But you don't actually believe in feminism.
I believe in the idea of... You believe in masculinity controlling women? No. They have to take instructions from you. They have to do what you tell them. And that is actually what love and relationships are about. No, I believe that men and women have different roles. I believe that we were created differently by God because we are the perfect team. I believe that a man who's in his masculine frame is...
best suited by a woman who's in her feminine frame. I believe when we work together, we can achieve amazing things, whether it's raising children or preserving society. And I believe a man has certain jobs and a woman has certain jobs. You don't understand this about the things I say. When I said there that women make bad decisions in the tweet you referenced earlier, the point I was making is that women are more emotional than men.
That is their superpower. That is fantastic. That is a great thing. I love female emotionality. In the tweet before you tried to use against me, I was talking about how I love a woman to be happy all the time, smiling all the time while I'm stressed. I love female emotionality. The reason women are better with children. The reason women are better with children is because they're emotional. That is their superpower. That's not what your tweet said. In a position. You're not even remembering what you wrote. Of course it is.
I said female women are more emotional than men. It's exactly what I said. I'm saying that is a fantastic thing. But there is no light without dark. So in certain situations, the emotionality is positive. In certain situations, the emotionality is negative. We can also argue the same for men. Because what happens with me is everyone tries to gender my arguments. We can actually argue the same with men. Stoicism. Male stoicism is positive in certain scenarios. It can be negative in others. We can come across as unempathetic or not care because we're stoic. But in certain situations, it benefits us. I know people who've told me...
that their kids are in their late teens, they're at schools where the name Andrew Tate is banned. Nobody's allowed to mention your name because the teachers
think that your brand of masculinity is so toxic they are seeing a
immediate effect on the way that young men behave and not in a good way. Is that what the teachers think? Yeah. Well I am actually genuinely concerned by the fact that I've been banned from schools when I do nothing but preach masculine strength and excellence but then if you actually understand how the society is going and how the world works and all the insanity they're trying to push on all of us I can understand why they've banned me because I speak the truth.
If I was wearing a wig, Pierce, and lipstick, and telling young boys to remove their genitals, would I have been banned from schools?
No. They would have said, "Oh, you can say his name. No problem." No matter how big I got, if I had a wig on and lipstick and I had been castrated medically, I would be allowed to talk to the young boys.
But as soon as I say, you're supposed to grow up and get big and strong, and if your wife doesn't want a job, you need to pay for her. It's your job as a man, you better find some money. Then I'm the public enemy number one. Garbage. - On that last point, you don't say if a woman
doesn't want to work and manage to take care of it. You say a woman shouldn't work. I say my woman won't work. I'm talking about my personal experience. I said any girlfriend of mine. Because I'm in an extremely fortunate financial position. I was before Romania took everything, of course. I have hundreds of millions of dollars. So because I am in my position, I would not want my woman to work. I think there's more important things she can do. If you have hundreds of millions of dollars, where... you said you had a worth of 17 million. No, I said they took 17 million. So where's the rest?
They must have taken it. I think they have it. Or maybe I lost it. I think I lost it somewhere.
You've never had hundreds of millions of dollars. Of course not.
You haven't, have you? Of course not. You said they took all your assets. Exactly. Well, did they or didn't they? Of course, they took everything. I mean, they'll be watching this. Are they to assume that there are hundreds of millions more dollars they haven't got yet? They're watching this, that's right. They took absolutely everything. You have it all.
Right.
But again, is that all just the smoke and mirrors?
Is that all just the top G stuff that you play up to, which has no bearing on reality? I was the most Googled man on the planet. I was the most relevant man amongst 18 to 35-year-old males, which are the highest earning and spending people on the planet. Do you really think that I am not...
I can't pay my bills, Pierce.
Right now, yeah. Someone's paying them for you. Correct, you're right. Someone's paying them for me, you're right.
My girl's got a job, she works at Starbucks. Exclusive, Andrew Tate's girl, Top G's girl, works in Starbucks to pay the rent.
I've been exposed.
So again, I don't know what to believe when you say stuff like that.
Well, I'm telling you, my friend, that the remaining state... I think you deployed deliberate smoke and mirrors because you think it...
plays up to the brand. Romanian state have taken all of my money, and I'm just, you know,
getting by.
Uh-huh.
That's what I said.
Do you worry about your impact on young men? Like I said, I'll be completely honest, I think a lot of what you say they should be hearing. And I have tangible proof every day when I walk around,
that they are listening to everything you say. But there is other stuff you say where I don't want my sons, especially in that impressionable...
late teenage to be listening to that. I don't want my daughter to grow up and think that actually her only success in life will come if she's at home as some kind of servant to her man.
Well, that won't be her only success, but
That's a very professional question, and I'll give a very professional answer. I have a massive responsibility. With great power comes great responsibility. And I understand that young men do listen to everything I say. I do think I say good things, but you also made a very pertinent point there. You talked about the impressionable age of a teenager, and it's very easy for a teenager, with their hormones and their lack of life experience, to take the things I say and weaponize them and use them in the incorrect context. However, that is not my fault. You could argue that 16, 17-year-olds can look at anything on the Internet and misunderstand it.
garbage and all these rappers talking about killing each other and all these drill artists talking about stabbing their enemies could be misunderstood by a 16 year old. I agree. So that's not my fault. However on that I totally agree. So I have a massive responsibility. And you are held to a different account actually to all of those rappers. Absolutely. Right there's no question I mean the farce for me is when John Legend rewrote the lyrics to
"Baby, it's cold outside," because apparently it encouraged sexual assault, but wouldn't say a negative word about any of the disgustingly misogynist
and actually very violent lyrics of his rap friends. That to me is total hypocrisy. And it is hypocritical. However, unlike all of these other people, I have taken into account my massive power and my massive responsibility. And I try to make sure that I use my words as carefully as possible so that they cannot be misconstrued or misunderstood. Can I make sure that no teenager on the planet who listens to me ever misunderstands me ever? No, I can't do that. But I'm doing my very best. What do I actually talk about?
What do I actually say? What I do is I come along, and let me give you the broad overview of my message.
You're a man so your life sucks. It's always going to suck and it's going to be pain. You're going to do nothing but suffer. You're going to suffer as a nobody or going to suffer the pain it takes to become great. Actually most men don't have that. You're going to suffer as a nobody because trust me nobody suffers. Or you're going to suffer the pain it takes to become great. Life is not supposed to be a happy life.
picnic, you're supposed to get up, work hard, dedicate yourself, get strong, get rich, go through whatever it takes to become somebody of significance. That's my overall message. You don't have to get rich to be happy. No, in fact, most of the super rich people I know in life are incredibly unhappy. Really? So you're setting a kind of full string.
Well, I don't know. A lot of rich people are miserable. Have you ever seen a rich person? And a lot of people who have very little money can be very happy. Have you ever seen a rich person give their money away?
Yes, of course. Okay, do you give all your money away? Will that make you happier, Pierce?
Do you want the Romanian state to take it all? I didn't smile that day. And let me tell you that the reason I tell about men to become financially successful is for two reasons.
One, because you have a job as a man to protect and provide, and you can do neither of those things if you are broke. That's the first reason.
And the second reason I actually preach to young men to become as financially successful as possible is that greater, broader reason. And I believe we've entered a very interesting stage in humanity where the matrix has finally cracked. Three or four years ago, there were certain narratives you could not talk against. But with Elon Musk owning X, and now we have Rumble, we have a lot more information on the Internet, people are starting to tell the truth about many different subjects.
There's a whole bunch of them we can name. And I like the idea of people who are free thinking with a free mind. We're not matrix controlled. Making as much money as possible because it takes money to win wars. And I want these people to be financially successful. That's why I tell all of my fans who believe in me to become as rich as possible because they understand that everything the government does is lied to them. We need finance. You use the word truth there. I don't think it's necessarily that people want to...
promote truth they want to promote their opinions. Often people's opinions on facts can be very different.
People can take the same set of facts and different opinions. It doesn't mean it's the truth.
Right? Well, that's true. But I don't believe in this my truth crap. Right? Neither do I. But there are facts which have to be accepted. Then you can have an opinion about them. You and I can disagree about all sorts of opinions.
but actually not facts. Okay but I can argue this point where the matrix comes out with a fact and all the opinions countering that fact are censored and they are destroyed then that fact becomes de facto truth because it's the only version of reality which exists to be ingested by the mind. So you still need varying opinions on all public. Do you think that what you uh...
Let's put it this way. Sure. You would have relationships with women and encourage them to take part in webcam sexual stuff. No. Well, actually, yes.
Why are we going back to this? Because there's one question I want to ask you about it. Right. And both sides made a lot of money. Right. OK. And in most cases,
because they haven't complained in most cases, you would assume it was a mutually beneficial transactional relationship. Right? I can assume that because
thousands of women have been through this and most of them haven't come forward and complained about the way they were treated. It was transactional but was it moral? Do you think what you've been making money from
park the illegality aspect to one side. Do you feel it was moral? Ten years ago,
I helped women promote their profiles on the internet. Correct. 10 years ago. Firstly, I have not been involved with it for seven years. It's not how I make money. I haven't touched it for a very long time. Seven years is a long time. You made a lot of money from it. I made some money from it a long time ago. How much?
Some money. I can't even remember. Millions? Millions. Perhaps. Millions. You made millions of pounds. A long time ago. Well hang on. It's important. You made millions of pounds.
from sexual webcam
activity where you and the woman doing the webcams would make money. You accept that? No. What I did is... Well this is how you made money. No, a long time ago and I talked about this at length on many different podcasts, I don't hide it. I said a long time ago, 10 years ago, I helped women with the tax side and the technical side and the promotion of their profiles on certain websites and I said about this and I said I haven't been involved with it for seven years. The only reason this is even coming up again is because I'm monumentally famous because nobody cares. We're in... Well no, it's not.
that there is a video chat studio with girls talking to men online right there, outside that window. In fact, there's about 10 or 15,000 women in this city who do that job now. And the fact that I had some...
I dipped my toe in it 10 years ago, isn't even significant. - I'm only asking if you think it's moral.
Do I think it's moral? Because you speak in such a morally self-righteous way now. Do you think that that was moral? Well I wasn't religious back then but let me sit and ask. Because you're now, you've converted to Islam. Correct. You're a Muslim. They have you know a code of behaviour.
do you think that that fell short of that? I have to answer as a professional and as a professional I would say, judging by my current code, no, I do not think that women being naked on the internet is moral. However,
There is like... - So you made money immorally?
You can admit that? It's nuanced like all things Piers. At the time I was atheistic. I know that some of my girls talked men away from suicide. A lot of men are ridiculously lonely. I would also say a lot of the lessons I know about men and how they think and how lonely and sad they can be and how difficult life is as a man actually came from that era because I saw a lot of very successful men with a wife and with kids and with money pouring their heart out to some 20 year old they never met about how sad they were. I learned a lot about the world and I know that a lot of suicide was prevented and I made a lot of women millionaires.
But would I do it now? No. However, I'm in a very different situation now. I'm a different person. I'm religious. I'm also extremely financially successful.
Please understand, Piers, I come from Marsh Farm Luton. I came from one of the worst areas inside of the UK. I could have stabbed someone. All of my friends were breaking into cars, breaking into houses. Most of my friends were in jail. What did I do? I promoted accounts on the internet. You made money. Didn't sell crack, didn't sell drugs, didn't rob anyone, didn't shoot anyone. And now, because I am successful, I'm going to be held to this moral standard by people who grew up in fancy homes with white picket fences and went to private schools. Well, no, actually.
legally promoting internet profiles. There are people around me who did far worse for far less. You're only going to be held to the standard of the religion you've converted to.
When you take the shahada, all your former sins are erased. Which you've already said would look at that as immoral. When you take the shahada, all of your former sins are erased. And I actually encourage you to find the light and convert to Islam. Andrew Tate, thank you very much. Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.